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This guy have a problem in his yard with Greek people who don't like to pay taxes, not with ECB who help his country when needed.
And now for something completely different:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGK8IC-bGnU
Corripe Cervisiam!
Oh! ECB.... again....
Bokul
Quoting shogun12
This guy have a problem in his yard with Greek people who don't like to pay taxes, not with ECB who help his country when needed.
Dear friend,

I adore the way you have arranged things in your head: the bad Greeks who don't like to pay taxes and the good EU/ECB who always helps us (at no benefit?).

I see you are trading from Romania; as many Romanians have immigrated to Greece to find jobs during the last 20-25 tears or so, I would expect that you knew better the situation in my country. It is true, as you say, that nearly all Greeks -but especially the highest income ones- had the mentality of tax avoidance; however, during the last five years of the so-called "bail-out" that in fact deepened the pre-existing problems and brought a humanitarian crisis, things have changed. Most middle- and low-income classes pay taxes for a fictitious income that is much higher than their real one (it's the new law, you know, and I know it from personal experience) and all real estate holders have again to pay real estate tax for property values that are significantly higher than the market ones, to mention a couple examples of unfairness.

You probably noticed that I mentioned in my last phrase that real estate holders "have" to pay, not that they indeed "pay". That happens because after all this years of heavy taxation their tax-paying capacity has literally disappeared and that actually was the final blow to the previous government.
Hello Dionyssus,

if Greece can't help herself now, no one else can.
She has to put her house in order for once and start to build a society which can sustain itself. Only then will others have enough trust to lend her money again.
Yes I live in RO and never been in other country to work as a slave.

What I said is that PM Tsipras problem is internal and don't need to blame someone who help . Nobody force no one to ask for loans.
Is about 90% tax evasion.
Read this :

The International Monetary Fund and Greece’s other creditors have argued for years that the country’s debt crisis could be largely resolved if the government just cracked down on tax evasion. Tax debts in Greece equal about 90% of annual tax revenue, the highest shortfall among industrialized nations, according to the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development

http://www.wsj.com/articles/greece-struggles-to-get-citizens-to-pay-their-taxes-1424867495
More like rope around testicles
Quoting shogun12
Yes I live in RO and never been in other country to work as a slave.

What I said is that PM Tsipras problem is internal and don't need to blame someone who help . Nobody force no one to ask for loans.
Is about 90% tax evasion.
Read this :

The International Monetary Fund and Greece’s other creditors have argued for years that the country’s debt crisis could be largely resolved if the government just cracked down on tax evasion. Tax debts in Greece equal about 90% of annual tax revenue, the highest shortfall among industrialized nations,...
My friend,

Welcome to my beautiful real world. I see that you still think you know better by reading articles: you have to understand that the situation in Greece, as regards tax evasion, has drastically changed for the middle- and low-income classes; only the rich continue to find ways (they have the means as you understand: accountants, off-shore companies etc) to continue avoiding paying taxes; that of course happens under the governement's auspices (!). I"ll give you another example from the business side, not the individual tax payer's one: I cooperate with a management consultancy, which for 2014 paid direct (only, not including indirect) taxes amounting to 80% of its annual turnover. These taxes are for income, VAT, real estate, the municipality, the poor and a hundered other purposes for which I congratulate the previous government that has shown an impressive creativity finding new ways to impose more taxation.

That's all I am trying to tell you.
Quoting Elisabeth
Hello Dionyssus,

if Greece can't help herself now, no one else can.
She has to put her house in order for once and start to build a society which can sustain itself. Only then will others have enough trust to lend her money again.
Elizabeth,

Your comments are always correct and therefore more than welcome. Indeed, we have to start changing the economy's/ production structure immediately; otherwise, we just protract the current, problematic situation.
Quoting dionyssus
Elizabeth,

... we have to start changing the economy's/ production structure immediately; otherwise, we just protract the current, problematic situation.
You have only 3 months and 20 days .
Only possible change after this period will be your exit from EUROZONE .
Quoting shogun12
You have only 3 months and 20 days .
Only possible change after this period will be your exit from EUROZONE .
This is indeed possible, as -in order to change the economy's structure- we need perhaps something like 10-15 years.
Dionyssus and Shogun2,
Whether Greece leaves the single currency or not, it will still need to restructure
herself ( production, administration and attitude of the people - only Dionyssus can comment on the latter) to be able to prosper again. That probably would be a less painful process if this could happen at her own pace with her own currency.
There is no need to vilify anyone, just creates unnecessary hurt. The healing process can be very lengthy.
Better to accept the lessons which have to be learned and start again.
Quoting Elisabeth
Dionyssus and Shogun2,
Whether Greece leaves the single currency or not, it will still need to restructure
herself ( production, administration and attitude of the people - only Dionyssus can comment on the latter) to be able to prosper again. That probably would be a less painful process if this could happen at her own pace with her own currency.
There is no need to vilify anyone, just creates unnecessary hurt. The healing process can be very lengthy.
Better to accept the lessons which have to be learned and start again.
Elizabeth,

IMHO, Greece's exit from the EZ in unavoidable, either in the short or the medium term (i.e. up to one year). I also agree with you that this may facilitate the country to develop a new status; the only thing I fear is extreme inflation as the "new drachma" will steeply devalue. If we could manage the latter risk, I would be in favour of Grexit.
I think this latest statement by Tsipras is get people to believe that we have no choice but exit single currency. I think sooner the better. It will be very painful for a while but in the long term Greece would be in better position. It is similar to removing a bullet from the wound which is very painful but is absolutely necessary to survive.
Quoting Abhimanyu
I think this latest statement by Tsipras is get people to believe that we have no choice but exit single currency.
That's true but he also want his people to believe that he is with people but all other country's have something against Greece.
I hope the majority of the Greek people have the maturity to form on opinion of their own on this matter.
Quoting dionyssus
I see you are trading from Romania; as many Romanians have immigrated to Greece to find jobs during the last 20-25 tears or so, I would expect that you knew better the situation in my country. It is true, as you say, that nearly all Greeks -but especially the highest income ones- had the mentality of tax avoidance; however, during the last five years of the so-called "bail-out" that in fact deepened the pre-existing problems and brought a humanitarian crisis, things have changed.
Romanian? Hahaha! They are turning the lands of my ancestors into crime ridden and filthy cesspools. You can't even walk through Mayfair (that's a rich part of London for all those who are mentally challenged) without encountering these dangerous petty criminals, but I'm sure they pay taxes. Hahaha!!!

As for tax, I myself am dead against it. Why should I pay tax when big corporations pay almost 0? Tax = theft and just makes us govt. slaves.

Greece should get out of the EZ and EU, peg its currency to silver/gold and print and print and print like the US and UK and pay the banksters. The whole scam is run by Germans for the benefit of Germans.
Quoting Macdon
Romanian? Hahaha! They are turning the lands of my ancestors into crime ridden and filthy cesspools. You can't even walk through Mayfair (that's a rich part of London for all those who are mentally challenged) without encountering these dangerous petty criminals....
There is no brushwood forest !

Do you ever wonder why when all people on the world drive their cars on the right side of the road, you English, drive on the left, including you in Australia?
Quoting shogun12
There is no brushwood forest !

Do you ever wonder why when all people on the world drive their cars on the right side of the road, you English, drive on the left, including you in Australia?
I actually did wonder about that and reasoned that it was because most people are right handed. Having looked it up, I see my argument is supported. What's your next irrelevant question?

http://www.worldstandards.eu/cars/driving-on-the-left/
In the past, almost everybody travelled on the left side of the road because that was the most sensible option for feudal, violent societies. Since most people are right-handed, swordsmen preferred to keep to the left in order to have their right arm nearer to an opponent and their scabbard further from him. Moreover, it reduced the chance of the scabbard (worn on the left) hitting other people.

Furthermore, a right-handed person finds it easier to mount a horse from the left side of the horse, and it would be very difficult to do otherwise if wearing a sword (which would be worn on the left). It is safer to mount and dismount towards the side of the road, rather than in the middle of traffic, so if one mounts on the left, then the horse should be ridden on the left side of the road.

In the late 1700s, however, teamsters in France and the United States began hauling farm products in big wagons pulled by several pairs of horses. These wagons had no driver’s seat; instead the driver sat on the left rear horse, so he could keep his right arm free to lash the team. Since he was sitting on the left, he naturally wanted everybody to pass on the left so he could look down and make sure he kept clear of the oncoming wagon’s wheels. Therefore he kept to the right side of the road.
So in a majority you are an exception exactly like those petty criminals you mentioned in your first post:

"Romanian? Hahaha! They are turning the lands of my ancestors into crime ridden and filthy cesspools. You can't even walk through Mayfair (that's a rich part of London for all those who are mentally challenged) without encountering these dangerous petty criminals..."
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