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  • Mt. Gox Bitcoin losses likely 99% fraud

    From the-japan-news.com

    About 99 percent of the bitcoins that disappeared from a virtual currency transaction system operated by Mt. Gox may have vanished due to fraudulent transactions, not from cyber-attacks as the company initially claimed, The Yomiuri Shimbun has learned. The Metropolitan Police Department has been investigating the case in which about 650,000 bitcoins — worth about ¥24.7 billion as of Wednesday — went missing from Mt. Gox’s online exchange system, which is currently undergoing bankruptcy procedures. Police concluded that about 7,000 bitcoins disappeared due to cyber-attacks, only about 1 percent of the total ... (full story)

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  • Jan 2, 2015 7:47am Jan 2, 2015 7:47am
  •  Pharm0r
  • Joined Apr 2013 | Status: I'm learnding! | 196 Comments
Crime of the century.
 
 
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  • Jan 2, 2015 8:39am Jan 2, 2015 8:39am
  •  gat
  • | Joined Dec 2009 | Status: Member | 1024 Comments
BTC were imaginary with no value from the start. It was all a bubble being sold to suckers. Does have me wondering how the other exchanges are doing so maybe I'll check sometime.
 
 
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  • Jan 3, 2015 5:31am Jan 3, 2015 5:31am
  •  moouseiah1
  • | Joined Oct 2008 | Status: Member | 6 Comments
Quoting gat
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BTC were imaginary with no value from the start. It was all a bubble being sold to suckers. Does have me wondering how the other exchanges are doing so maybe I'll check sometime.
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Even after a sustained fall, today they have a $4.3 Billion dollar market cap and are accepted by millions of people/companies as payment - not sure how the equates to "no value".
 
 
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  • Jan 3, 2015 9:51am Jan 3, 2015 9:51am
  •  gat
  • | Joined Dec 2009 | Status: Member | 1024 Comments
Because they poof sprung from nothing with nothing to back them except the ummm... full faith and credit of some guy living wherever. Because the original sellers took your dollars that do have value and the only way you get real money back is to find another sucker to buy your BTC. When there are no buyers and the original sellers are saying we don't want them the price goes to zero. If there is 4.3 billion market cap what is the volume? How many suckers are there buying at any that level? I think millions accepting them is an exaggeration based on the height of the fad. Anyone worried about fiat monies, and smart, is not going to buy BTC because BTC is also a fiat currency. They will go to gold which can always be made into jewelry at the least. I remember those "coins" - think they were called Pogs - people collected and hoarded. Yeah, they were going to pay for the kids college and retire on them. BTC is just the digital version of those. I'll sell you all the GAT coins you want. Makes as much sense.
 
 
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  • Jan 3, 2015 1:18pm Jan 3, 2015 1:18pm
  •  Mingary
  • Joined Mar 2011 | Status: I should be on your ignore list | 2344 Comments
Just the end of this little game.
As predicted.
Such "alternatives" always appear at turning points.
 
 
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  • Jan 3, 2015 5:01pm Jan 3, 2015 5:01pm
  •  WhiteCrow
  • | Joined Apr 2013 | Status: Member | 76 Comments
Quoting messiah01
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Even after a sustained fall, today they have a $4.3 Billion dollar market cap and are accepted by millions of people/companies as payment - not sure how the equates to "no value".
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accepted by porn sites and drug dealers a lot too )
World has no limits.
 
 
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  • Edited 7:29am Jan 4, 2015 6:51am | Edited 7:29am
  •  moouseiah1
  • | Joined Oct 2008 | Status: Member | 6 Comments
Quoting gat
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Because they poof sprung from nothing with nothing to back them except the ummm... full faith and credit of some guy living wherever. Because the original sellers took your dollars that do have value and the only way you get real money back is to find another sucker to buy your BTC. When there are no buyers and the original sellers are saying we don't want them the price goes to zero. If there is 4.3 billion market cap what is the volume? How many suckers are there buying at any that level? I think millions accepting them is an exaggeration...
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You are talking like BTC has failed which is ridiculous - millions of dollars flows in and out every day and the price moves around like anything else (albeit with extreme fluctuations). It is backed by the support of a huge amount of people, who have shown this support remains despite large price falls/fluctuations. There are many practical reasons why people use BTC - still you are right in that doesn't mean it couldn't go to zero one day, if people lose confidence in it for whatever reason, like a company's stock. However I see no reason to be pessimistic when the market keep proving itself over and over again.
https://blockchain.info/charts/n-transactions?timespan=2year&showDataPoints=false&daysAverageString=1&show_header=true&scale=0&address=
There's the daily transactions - a very healthy, constant figure. Also see the list of the number of huge companies that will accept them for payment for their goods.
"credit of some guy living wherever. Because the original sellers took your dollars that do have value and the only way you get real money back is to find another sucker to buy your BTC."
You don't seem to be very knowledgeable about how it works - it's not just about people buying and holding BTC. It's also easy to move money back and forth between dollars and BTC, as I mentioned large transactions in figures and quantity occur every day. The children's toy analogy and your personally made up coins (which many people have tried but has had the effect of making BTC stronger as the one constant market) without the history, media acknowledgement, community, worldwide penetration, thousands of companies accepting them as payment, billions market cap or huge daily transaction rate aren't really worth commenting on.
 
 
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  • Jan 4, 2015 7:26am Jan 4, 2015 7:26am
  •  insomniawawa
  • | Joined Mar 2012 | Status: Member | 149 Comments
Quoting gat
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BTC were imaginary with no value from the start. It was all a bubble being sold to suckers. Does have me wondering how the other exchanges are doing so maybe I'll check sometime.
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hahaha, I'm sorry, but do you think that any currency like USD or EUR has any value other than record on account? It's exactly the same!
 
 
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  • Jan 4, 2015 10:24am Jan 4, 2015 10:24am
  •  gat
  • | Joined Dec 2009 | Status: Member | 1024 Comments
Have already said the national currencies are fiat insomiawawa. I'll take the full faith and credit of a government, tarnished as is, over a guy named Fred somewhere. There are some cities that have Peoria or whatever dollars too. those are essentially gift certificates that are accepted by merchants in a downtown area for example. They may include a discount so are a sales promotion gambit as well.

Those are fiat currency of no value outside their little fiefdoms. So is BTC with its fiefdom spread out across borders. 4.3 billion in market cap is micro mini miniscule in an 85 trillion world wide trillion economy. That's barely 50 cents per person. The central banks hold 1100 dollars per person at todays back towards reality price for the metal.

Interesting site messiah01. I've gone to quandl.com to occasionally check prices. they show wide variance between markets if you can arb them. Of course if you can that just shows how ridiculous the whole thing is. Not being one market makes it like your BTC is worth 99 cents at one store and 1.07 at another. Overall I see BTC as a screwy failure that will keep on walking because there is always somebody thinking their Pog... I mean BTC is going to make them rich.

And last point - what if it does grow enough to be noticeable to government? Right now they use it to track arms and drug dealers ignoring your 0.000000042 BTC purchase at wherever. You can count on governmentS to squash BTC as soon as they see benefit to it.
 
 
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  • Jan 4, 2015 12:01pm Jan 4, 2015 12:01pm
  •  Exodus
  • Joined May 2012 | Status: checkout the weblink | 4723 Comments
Quoting Mingary
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Just the end of this little game.
As predicted.
Such "alternatives" always appear at turning points.
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Yeah,
...and like ....."who could possibly have seen that coming.....?"
Carbon-Dioxide: the gas of life!
 
 
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  • Jan 4, 2015 3:22pm Jan 4, 2015 3:22pm
  •  Mingary
  • Joined Mar 2011 | Status: I should be on your ignore list | 2344 Comments
Quoting Exodus
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Yeah,
...and like ....."who could possibly have seen that coming.....?"
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I did ...
 
 
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  • Jan 4, 2015 3:43pm Jan 4, 2015 3:43pm
  •  Muntu
  • | Joined Mar 2009 | Status: Member | 138 Comments
Is this karpeles a collegue of Kerviel, the other famous "trader" ?
Somebody once said the computer screens are mesmerizing...
Patience is magic
 
 
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  • Jan 5, 2015 2:09am Jan 5, 2015 2:09am
  •  Exodus
  • Joined May 2012 | Status: checkout the weblink | 4723 Comments
Quoting Mingary
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I did ...
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of course. I was supporting your view.
BTW I missed off the sarcasm emoticon because I couldn't remember how to invoke it.
Let's try :sarcasm: <-- nope....
Carbon-Dioxide: the gas of life!
 
 
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