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    From reuters.com

    Ukrainian army tanks were reported to be launching an assault to break pro-Russian rebels' hold on the eastern city of Donetsk on Monday in the first major outbreak of hostilities in the area since Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 was shot down last week. A separatist leader said Ukrainian government forces were trying to break into Donetsk and fighting was under way near the railway station. Sergei Kavtaradze, of the rebels' self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic, said at least four tanks and armoured vehicles were trying to break through into the city. A Ukrainian military spokesman said the operation was in ... (full story)

  • Comment #1
  • Jul 21, 2014 5:03am Jul 21, 2014 5:03am
  •  Guest
  • | IP XX.XXX.81.203
We can see the world media proving that the legal principal of Innocent Until PROVEN Guilty is totally worthless when the media is baying for blood. Putin is guilty NO MATTER WHAT evidence to the contrary.
  • Comment #2
  • Edited 11:14am Jul 21, 2014 5:08am | Edited 11:14am
Where are those morons who believed that Russian annexation of Crimea is an innocent act, without consequences and should not be punished by the EU?
  • Comment #3
  • Jul 21, 2014 6:01am Jul 21, 2014 6:01am
  •  Guest
  • | IP XX.XXX.4.131
Quoting Guest
We can see the world media proving that the legal principal of Innocent Until PROVEN Guilty is totally worthless when the media is baying for blood. Putin is guilty NO MATTER WHAT evidence to the contrary.
Well put yourself in his place and assume you did not do the crime and maybe you will gain some sense of why that principle should remain inviolate. Let calm heads (as epitomized by the principle) prevail all of the time. Way to go.

The Crow
  • Comment #4
  • Jul 21, 2014 6:55am Jul 21, 2014 6:55am
There is absolutely No way to determine who fired the Russian weapon at the airliner. When I see things like this, these days, I wonder every time, is this false flag? What Possible benefit would there be for a Russian commander to order a civilian aircraft shot down? What possible benefit would a Ukrainian strike on a commercial carrier provide? Looks like the Ukrainians did the job to me. Because they have no high altitude anti-aircraft weapons. Unless there were one to be stolen after a battle, that one could use to disgrace the enemy. Sorry to be so sure that Ukrainians did it, but it's the only reasonable answer.
  • Comment #5
  • Jul 21, 2014 6:57am Jul 21, 2014 6:57am
Quoting Guest
Putin is guilty NO MATTER WHAT evidence to the contrary.
yeah that plane was shot down by "green man" ofc no Putin's or Russian troops relatives...
whole world got clearly evidence but official PutinTV and prorussianTrolls not - as usual )
  • Comment #6
  • Edited 10:17am Jul 21, 2014 7:06am | Edited 10:17am
Quoting wlarimer
There is absolutely No way to determine who fired the Russian weapon at the airliner.
false conclusions

Quoting wlarimer
only reasonable answer.
Are You so naive, not informed in that matter or pro russiansTroll?

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for example litle info:
russians transporting BUK-system from Russia to the Donieck territory in Ukraine which one of missiles shot down MH17
http://sprotyv.info/ru/news/2426-foto-kolonny-rossiyskih-terroristov-perevozivshey-zrk-buk-k-mestu-strelby-po-malaziyskomu

system comming back to russia - 1 missile projectile missing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4HJmev5xg0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzw1FSd5jKE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIFauAOUIQ4
  • Comment #7
  • Jul 21, 2014 7:36am Jul 21, 2014 7:36am
Ill say it again its a provocation.Local people in Donetsk said on the first day when plane crashed bodies already had horrible stench and there was no blood.It seemed like they where dead already for some time.Smart people should understand what i mean.
  • Comment #8
  • Jul 21, 2014 7:39am Jul 21, 2014 7:39am
What Possible benefit would there be for a Russian commander to order a civilian aircraft shot down?

It is highly likely that no orders were given in the first place. Most of these separatists are plain criminals who have nothing else to do with their lives. I will not be surprised if they got trigger happy and just did it for the fun. This is how it goes when a group of men are armed uncontroled and have nothing else to do.
You give a man a uniform and a weopon and he thinks he is superior and untouchable. Feed him with vodka on top of that and you have a recipe for desaster.....
Never Ever Give Up!
  • Comment #9
  • Jul 21, 2014 7:39am Jul 21, 2014 7:39am
Quoting wlarimer
There is absolutely No way to determine who fired the Russian weapon at the airliner. When I see things like this, these days, I wonder every time, is this false flag? What Possible benefit would there be for a Russian commander to order a civilian aircraft shot down? What possible benefit would a Ukrainian strike on a commercial carrier provide? Looks like the Ukrainians did the job to me. Because they have no high altitude anti-aircraft weapons. Unless there were one to be stolen after a battle, that one could use to disgrace the enemy....
finally found the answer to my question...at least some
  • Comment #10
  • Jul 21, 2014 10:32am Jul 21, 2014 10:32am
Quoting ferit74
false conclusions


Are You so naive, not informed in that matter or pro russiansTroll?

edit

for example litle info:
russians transporting BUK-system from Russia to the Donieck territory in Ukraine which one of missiles shot down MH17
http://sprotyv.info/ru/news/2426-fot...o-malaziyskomu

system comming back to russia - 1 missile projectile missing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4HJmev5xg0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzw1FSd5jKE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIFauAOUIQ4...
ahhh.. so you get your 'intel' from youtube videos!!! Lol!!
  • Comment #11
  • Jul 21, 2014 10:56am Jul 21, 2014 10:56am
Hey, remember that time in 2001, when a runaway Ukrainian missile shot down a Russian airliner traveling to Tel-Aviv?
I am sorry to say, but the Ukrainians cannot be trusted with sophisticated equipment - remember Chernobyl?
It was such a great relieve when they gave up nuclear weapons.

I would easily believe the rebels shot down the Malaysian plane if not for such history.
  • Comment #12
  • Jul 21, 2014 11:03am Jul 21, 2014 11:03am
Quoting jw1981
ahhh.. so you get your 'intel' from youtube videos!!! Lol!!
another RT faithful viewer or other Putin tv??

do you know polish? probably not, so no clue paste here what i got in my language.

do you know what is hybrid war? since 2008 is testing by Putin's forces - in result we got what we got: Moldova, Georgia, Ukraine and all that with support of socialists from Germany and France or Italy...

and after all we live in multimedia world so twitter, YT or many forums are weapon too but you can wait till Brittanica print it...

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Chernobyl was when USSR rules in that region of Europe
  • Comment #13
  • Jul 21, 2014 12:34pm Jul 21, 2014 12:34pm
Chernobyl was under the USSR, not Ukraine. The USSR also tried to cover Chernobyl up, until alarms started going off 1000mi away at the Swedish nuclear plant. 3 days AFTER the explosion is when they finally decided to evacuate. If you are going to base the Russian or Ukrainian trustworthiness on Chernobyl, you need to know the facts- in which, the USSR aka KGB aka Putin (whom was a KGB colonel) cant be trusted.

Fact is- whether or not it was directly Russia's orders, IF Russia provided the weaponry, then they are partly responsible.
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