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  • Gold to tank in 2014: Goldman Sachs

    From cnbc.com

    Bad news for "gold-bugs"—bullion's current beginning-of-the-year rally will not only lose steam, but prices could drop sharply by the end of 2014, according to Goldman Sachs' Jeffrey Currie. Currie, Goldman's head of commodities research, told CNBC on Monday he had an end-of-year price target of $1,050 per ounce for gold, a 16 percent drop based from current prices of $1,251. The main culprit? Economic recovery. "Our view there really is driven by the expectation of the U.S. economy reaching escape velocity," Currie said on "Squawk on the Street." "Essentially when you think about a short on gold ... it's ... (full story)

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  • Jan 13, 2014 11:54pm Jan 13, 2014 11:54pm
  •  Alexeii
  • | Commercial Member | Joined Oct 2012 | 579 Comments
I think I will agree with them.
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  • Jan 14, 2014 12:36am Jan 14, 2014 12:36am
  •  Pip Anon
  • Joined Jan 2013 | Status: Trading defies logic | 1,796 Comments
Still holding target of 1038
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  • Jan 14, 2014 12:39am Jan 14, 2014 12:39am
  •  Ill-b-back
  • Joined May 2011 | Status: Get to the Chopper | 3,897 Comments
And now we wait for the "sell every rally" call throughout 2014.
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  • Jan 14, 2014 12:40am Jan 14, 2014 12:40am
  •  Ill-b-back
  • Joined May 2011 | Status: Get to the Chopper | 3,897 Comments
In GS we trust,
just don't have them over for dinner...
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  • Jan 14, 2014 12:56am Jan 14, 2014 12:56am
  •  Pip Anon
  • Joined Jan 2013 | Status: Trading defies logic | 1,796 Comments
Quoting Ill-b-back
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In GS we trust,
just don't have them over for dinner...
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Hahah you read that too? Clearly they phished him out.
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  • Jan 14, 2014 12:57am Jan 14, 2014 12:57am
  •  Pip Anon
  • Joined Jan 2013 | Status: Trading defies logic | 1,796 Comments
Quoting Ill-b-back
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And now we wait for the "sell every rally" call throughout 2014.
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Selling the rallies worked like a dream 2013. Drivers for lower gold are still in place. When they no longer are, gold back to 1500-1600 IMO
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  • Jan 14, 2014 1:13am Jan 14, 2014 1:13am
  •  Ill-b-back
  • Joined May 2011 | Status: Get to the Chopper | 3,897 Comments
Quoting Pip Anon
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Hahah you read that too? Clearly they phished him out.
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Lol, yeah as the article says, they harpooned the whale.
If be bullish DOW if I traded it but I still think QE will be fuelling it for sometime to come, so it won't surprise me to see gold and stocks rise in tandem this year.
I'm not so optimistic as the Fed on the employment structure (although even Ben noted its fragile nature despite the "official" drop in employment.
There was an interesting article highlighting the terrible participation rate and that around 90 percent if even the latest abysmal number was retail with health sector dropping.
It will be an interesting year though, I expect the Fed to dislocate a rib as it backflips this year.
I'm on holidays in the countryside so my internet connection is shit, apologise if I can't continue with discussion, it takes 5-10 mins just to load a single FF page.
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  • Jan 14, 2014 1:14am Jan 14, 2014 1:14am
  •  Ulterior
  • | Joined Mar 2008 | Status: aka "Johny 1 Lot" | 185 Comments
very strange, indeed - gold is positioned for a huge breakout today and this to receive this article is a coincidence?
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  • Jan 14, 2014 1:28am Jan 14, 2014 1:28am
  •  Pip Anon
  • Joined Jan 2013 | Status: Trading defies logic | 1,796 Comments
Quoting Ulterior
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very strange, indeed - gold is positioned for a huge breakout today and this to receive this article is a coincidence?
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Nope because GS has been pushing their gold thesis for months as well as versions of this article.
Quoting Ill-b-back
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Lol, yeah as the article says, they harpooned the whale.
If be bullish DOW if I traded it but I still think QE will be fuelling it for sometime to come, so it won't surprise me to see gold and stocks rise in tandem this year.
I'm not so optimistic as the Fed on the employment structure (although even Ben noted its fragile nature despite the "official" drop in employment.
There was an interesting article highlighting the terrible participation rate and that around 90 percent if even the latest abysmal number was retail with health sector dropping.
It...
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I think equities will roll because the economic data won't support it. The whole reason the markets are where they are at (outside of Fed) is the assumption of this overly optimistic growth would happen. Still yet to be seen
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  • Jan 14, 2014 2:22am Jan 14, 2014 2:22am
  •  Guest
  • | IP XX.XXX.51.244
Disn!t they say in 2011 that gold will rise 2200 that year?
Bunch of liars!
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  • Jan 14, 2014 2:24am Jan 14, 2014 2:24am
  •  Guest
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Goldman raises gold price forecasts
Mon Aug 8, 2011 3:16pm IST

REUTERS - Goldman Sachs raised its gold price forecasts, citing the fall in U.S. real rates and intensifying sovereign debt issues in both the United States and Europe.

"We expect gold prices to continue to climb in 2011 and 2012 given the current low level of U.S. real interest rates," the Wall Street bank said in a note to clients on Monday.

The 10-year U.S. TIPS yields are at an historic low and a diminished outlook for U.S. economic growth suggests U.S. real rates will remain lower for longer, the bank said.

While the level of U.S. real interest rates is viewed as the primary driver of gold prices over the medium term, continued strong monetary demand for gold from both gold exchange-traded funds and central banks creates an upside risk to its forecasts, Goldman said.

The investment bank raised its three-month gold price forecast to $1,645 per troy-ounce, from $1,565, still short of all-time high for spot gold above $1,715 an ounce on Monday.

It also upped its six-month and 12-month forecasts to $1,730 per troy-ounce and $1,860 per troy-ounce, respectively.

Goldman continued to recommended initiating a long COMEX December 2011 position.

Gold has gained more than 20 percent so far this year.
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  • Jan 14, 2014 2:33am Jan 14, 2014 2:33am
  •  Mike Haran
  • | Commercial Member | Joined Oct 2010 | 699 Comments
I think that the top is in on the markets. I expect gold to rally about 25% and I would not trust GS at all.

They have zero interest in helping you unless they make money out of it.
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  • Jan 14, 2014 2:48am Jan 14, 2014 2:48am
  •  noelia73
  • | Joined May 2013 | Status: Member | 9 Comments
who's saying the truth?

Germany's Commerzbank is bullish on gold for 2014...seeing $1,400
Berlin (Dec 7) Commerzbank’s commodity strategists said on the subject this morning as they look to 2014 — they expect gold’s price to retake $1,400 by the end of next year:

The two most important negative factors for investment demand this year – higher real interest rates and the upward movement in the equity markets – should become less important in 2014. Our economists expect the US Federal Reserve to start scaling back its bond purchasing programme from March/April. As soon as the first step has been taken, the associated uncertainty should be dispelled and the pressure on the gold price should ease. For bond purchases can be expected to be reduced gradually and expectations about an interest rate hike by the Fed to be kept in check verbally. This could prevent any sharper rise in longterm interest rates. Inflation rates are also likely to increase again from their currently very low level, thus preventing a further rise in real interest rates next year. Nor is it realistic to expect the US equity market to move up again by 25% in 2014 on the back of a less expansionary US monetary policy.

I trust in this last version
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  • Jan 14, 2014 3:25am Jan 14, 2014 3:25am
  •  pbtec
  • | Joined Sep 2013 | Status: Member | 10 Comments
I don't trust Goldman researchers as far as I can throw them.

After all, if they're willing to scam their own elite customers out of millions, then there's certainly no reason to believe they would treat the general public any kinder.

However in this instance I have no choice but to agree with them, as my own analysis keeps screaming $1050, no matter how many times I go over it.

Why they would actually disseminate accurate forecasts to the general public this time round; well I have no idea.
Perhaps it's an attempt at reverse psychology......
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  • Jan 14, 2014 4:34am Jan 14, 2014 4:34am
  •  sonicdeejay
  • | Commercial Member | Joined Mar 2008 | 155 Comments
GOLD to tank in 2014 so that they can buy cheap..
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  • Edited at 4:51am Jan 14, 2014 4:48am | Edited at 4:51am
  •  jw1981
  • | Joined Nov 2012 | Status: Member | 321 Comments
I think they are right. I also came across a Yahoo article explaining Gold's drop from a fundamental perspective. Did a bit of re-searching and I came across this technical perspective, which I think is quite valid which explains why Gold's rally is not ready yet.

http://tradingedge.eu/studies/83-gol...ivergence.html

and the fundamental perspective: http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/break...215654437.html
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  • Jan 14, 2014 5:07am Jan 14, 2014 5:07am
  •  aslamhammad
  • | Commercial Member | Joined Jan 2011 | 29 Comments
not necessarily...Gold is related to indices like dow jones and the USD, so technically if usd and indices go down, GOLD goes up ....With Bitcoin stocks in the market, i think Gold will have some shorting opportunities as well tough
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  • Jan 14, 2014 5:09am Jan 14, 2014 5:09am
  •  aslamhammad
  • | Commercial Member | Joined Jan 2011 | 29 Comments
As usd is still strong, i think selling the eur/usd and buying usd/chf would be better
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  • Jan 14, 2014 5:12am Jan 14, 2014 5:12am
  •  aslamhammad
  • | Commercial Member | Joined Jan 2011 | 29 Comments
i think their opinion of stop loss for Gold to be near 1050-1000 ...Take profit should be around 1300-1350 for Gold
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  • Jan 14, 2014 7:01am Jan 14, 2014 7:01am
  •  braincooler
  • | Joined Sep 2011 | Status: Member | 86 Comments
GS is planning to buy even more gold. They as many other Bankers, prepares for the USD collapse. The next step will be a new gold standard. GS are fully aware of that as an possible scenario.

GS=BS
;-)
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  • Jan 14, 2014 7:07am Jan 14, 2014 7:07am
  •  Guest
  • | IP XXX.XXX.180.23
i agree with them
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  • Jan 14, 2014 7:55am Jan 14, 2014 7:55am
  •  staffpro2
  • | Joined Jan 2014 | Status: Member | 8 Comments
USDCAD bullish long till 1.11 next week as per Goldman Sachs forecast
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  • Jan 14, 2014 8:07am Jan 14, 2014 8:07am
  •  williamfakhr
  • | Joined Jul 2012 | Status: Member | 11 Comments
900$ silver 7$ by the year end .. 1050 it's a bull shit.just to let the people buy at this level.
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  • Jan 14, 2014 10:03am Jan 14, 2014 10:03am
  •  XTrade
  • Joined Aug 2009 | Status: Patience = Simplest of all skills | 55 Comments
What a crock of sh!t - they spew this garbage while they buy every dip and then come out with a conveniently revised forecast.
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  • Jan 14, 2014 10:06am Jan 14, 2014 10:06am
  •  XTrade
  • Joined Aug 2009 | Status: Patience = Simplest of all skills | 55 Comments
EXACTLY!!!
Quoting Mike Haran
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and I would not trust GS at all.

They have zero interest in helping you unless they make money out of it.
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  • Jan 14, 2014 11:15am Jan 14, 2014 11:15am
  •  beeb
  • | Commercial Member | Joined Oct 2010 | 1 Comment
Any firm that refers to it's clients as "muppets" most probably speaks with forked tongue..... IMHO
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  • Jan 14, 2014 11:23am Jan 14, 2014 11:23am
  •  Pip Anon
  • Joined Jan 2013 | Status: Trading defies logic | 1,796 Comments
Quoting Ulterior
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very strange, indeed - gold is positioned for a huge breakout today and this to receive this article is a coincidence?
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Where's the breakout?
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  • Jan 14, 2014 11:25am Jan 14, 2014 11:25am
  •  Logix
  • | Joined Oct 2013 | Status: Member | 78 Comments
Few Months back when GOLDMAN SACHS raised projections 1.6800 for GBP/USD by the year end (2013) , 1.3900/1.4000 FOR EURO/USD -----No body believed them.

No body needs to believe them . Nor is this their REQUIREMENT . That's just their own viewpoint . And everyone may employ one s own TOOLS.
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