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    EU’s Von Der Leyen: EU To Accelerate Ukraine Membership https://t.co/ITrjhBoTbE

    — LiveSquawk (@LiveSquawk) April 8, 2022
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  • Apr 8, 2022 2:24pm Apr 8, 2022 2:24pm
  •  ScalaFX
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Good to hear that!
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War will intensify
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  •  Banditten
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I really do feel sorry for the Ukranian people. I also feel sorry for the average Russian people who will suffer beyond anything they have experienced before. But lets not get carried away. Let be honest. Ukraine was nowhere near the democratic dream before the war and nowhere near EU membership.

EU doesnt need more of that. Yes we can trade with Ukraine on favorable terms but lets be realistic.
 
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  •  RossEdwards
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I agree with @Mingary. Putin needs a some credible "Victory" to point to before May 9th. for internal stability.
And so far its been a military shambles.
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  •  Pat Chiko
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Ukraine is part of European block.
So does UK, Switzerland and even Turkey and Russia.


But Ukraine cannot join EU.
The Netherlands is against Ukraine's membership of the EU.
How do you want to convince the Dutch to Ukrainian accession to the EU?

So don‘t create false hopes here!
EU have good fruitful relations with countries outside EU, as well.

Yet Switzerland/UK isn't part of the EU and good on them..they are way better of now.


I wonder what this means for Ukraine…

Will EU membership help Ukraine to fight and to defeat Russia and STOP the Russian aggression and invasion?

Will Ukraine survive long enough to become an EU member?
 
 
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  •  RossEdwards
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Hey Pat like your meme man...
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Whats the symbol?
Malay armed forces?
 
 
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  •  Pat Chiko
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Hey Pat like your meme man... 4181394{image} Whats the symbol? Malay armed forces?
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Unicorn.


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Unicorns also have super-speed and super-strength and, more importantly, they can sense when the water is poisoned and can purify it.

I just don't want to grow up - Peter Pan
 
 
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  •  7thTorch
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Ukraine is part of European block. So does UK, Switzerland and even Turkey and Russia. But Ukraine cannot join EU. The Netherlands is against Ukraine's membership of the EU. How do you want to convince the Dutch to Ukrainian accession to the EU? So don‘t create false hopes here! EU have good fruitful relations with countries outside EU, as well. Yet Switzerland/UK isn't part of the EU and good on them..they are way better of now. I wonder what this means for Ukraine… Will EU membership help Ukraine to fight and to defeat Russia and STOP the Russian...
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I'm not sure Pat you understand what the EU is. Do you know which chapters a candidate country needs to open and close in order to meet the conditions for EU accession. What these chapters mean, what is in them and how this process develops.
Ukraine has a huge misfortune that its neighboring country is Russia and its crazy regime.
Serbia will also join the EU, which is considered a traditional Russian ally in Eastern Europe.
Of course, the EU will help Ukraine in the pre-accession process, in the first place it will have access to funds from European pre-accession funds. It takes about 15 months for the European Commission to evaluate the candidacy, negotiations can take several years - it depends on the reforms that the candidate country is able to implement ...
Yes, Ukraine will survive the Russian invasion and join the EU. Ukraine will win the war against Russia. No one gives any false hopes to Ukraine, I do not understand why you are so against and skeptical about Ukraine.
 
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  •  7thTorch
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The inaction of the west will kill millions more.... so your statement...
Really? And how many will be killed by Russian actions? More or less - regarding western "inactions"...
How will the USA stop this war in Ukraine? To order the Ukrainians to surrender or to order the Russians to give up aggression or for the USA to go to war?
The EU "gave" nothing to Russia. The EU pays Russia for the energy it imports from Russia. Where do you think Russia will sell them when the EU stops importing ... and nobody wants to deal with a Russia like this. You exaggerate the importance of Russia in energy and in any sense for Europe. Russia is a devastated country, mostly with the help of its crazy regimes in the last 200 years.
The war is not going as Putin planned. Let's hope that we will communicate here in two or three years, you will see where Russia will be then. This is nothing new, it is their constant practice ...
 
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  •  pokrat
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Who do you think is actually defending the lifestyle you actually enjoy? Trading, posting freely here etc. without any problems afterwards? Do you remember what happened with HongKong in the last years? My favourite city 20 yrs ago, now a total desaster...do you really want to live in a world governed by Russia / China?
 
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  •  7thTorch
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Ahhh...Pat...you are burning with the desire for the EU to go with the wind .... but that will not happen ...
I don't want to be rude, Sir ... but it seems to me that you're "intellectually underdeveloped" when it comes to these things. It is not my goal to make you feel offended, my advice is, think more with your head and rely less on various "sources".

"Sick" countries like Romania, Poland, Lithuania ... you say ... and that's why we need Russia, because without Russian gas Europe will experience Armageddon ... That's not true. Europe will cut off energy imports from Russia. Full stop.
Is Russia "healthy" state?

Have you ever been to these "sick" countries? Some of them have such a quality of life that Russia will not have in 100 years. I had the opportunity to spend some years in Warsaw ... Riga etc ... the reality is absolutely different from what you assume .... absolutely no one wants to deal with the Russians, that's what I met at every turn...

German money keeps EU just afloat. ..so you say... And incorrect of course...

Of course some countries have left the EU and of course some countries will join the EU. What's wrong with that. No one will attack them militarily if they leave the EU. Unlike Russia.
Do you know of any country that wants to join the Russian "community"?
If you know one, please tell me, if you can't find it - ask yourself why is that so?

Mearsheimer is considered a realist in interpreting geopolitical shifts ... he is neither left nor right nor up nor down ... and he is not "fake news" ...
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  •  Pat Chiko
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{quote} Who do you think is actually defending the lifestyle you actually enjoy? Trading, posting freely here etc. without any problems afterwards? Do you remember what happened with HongKong in the last years? My favourite city 20 yrs ago, now a total desaster...do you really want to live in a world governed by Russia / China?
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China's policies and activities in the South China Sea ( Malaysia is in SEA) are driving its neighbors toward hedging behavior and providing political space for claimants to seek closer alignment by engaging with China Foreign Policy thru ASEAN dialogue.

Yes, the thing you are taking about is centralisation of power where authorities has the power to really get things done.
Back in 60s/70s it was South Korea and Singapore and now it's China.

I'm not a fan of Central planning but they delivered in East Asia.

With a New NATO in South East Asia to face China .. the old NATO is becoming irrelevant..
Can't even take care of Europe & they want to be here in peaceful South East Asia.
All because China wants peace.

First: NATO is becoming irrelevant
Second: US - UK - Australia are forming a New NATO in South East Asia to face China..

However, Putin has created a new military front in Europe that will keep the US busy and cannot face 2 formidable superpowers at the same time ..

Chinese in Malaysia 45%. Chinese in Singapore 80%. China wanting to drop a bomb here ?.
 
 
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{quote} Who do you think is actually defending the lifestyle you actually enjoy? Trading, posting freely here etc. without any problems afterwards? Do you remember what happened with HongKong in the last years? My favourite city 20 yrs ago, now a total desaster...do you really want to live in a world governed by Russia / China?
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Let me ask what this father and son duo say;....... I will revert later.

The Biden White House has now repeatedly said there was nothing wrong with Hunter selling influence to Communist China.
Maybe that’s because Joe Biden is the “big guy” who was getting 10%?

Not sure if there is any point in explaining, but for most, the Indo-Pacific strategy is about China and it’s growing strategic and economic influence in the region termed as the ‘Indo-Pacific’.
It doesn’t cover Russia and what it does in Eastern Europe, no matter how ghastly.

You read my posting with open eyes.
And READ do not ASSUME.
Where did I write China/Russia is ASEAN friend?
I wrote neighbouring countries are choosing India and China over USA.
 
 
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It's not about who sold what to whom, do you believe that there's no corruption in eastern countries as in western countries? i've been there too often and was partially part of it...dream on...

it's about in what world do you want to live tomorrow, for what do you want to fight for...
 
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{quote} China's policies and activities in the South China Sea ( Malaysia is in SEA) are driving its neighbors toward hedging behavior and providing political space for claimants to seek closer alignment by engaging with China Foreign Policy thru ASEAN dialogue. Yes, the thing you are taking about is centralisation of power where authorities has the power to really get things done. Back in 60s/70s it was South Korea and Singapore and now it's China. I'm not a fan of Central planning but they delivered in East Asia. With a New NATO in South East...
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Just curious Pat , how do you feel about the terrible human rights abuses and Genocide being inflicted upon millions of Muslim Uyghurs by your Chinese friends? Why are Muslim countries silent on this issue? Just asking Pat. No offence.
 
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  •  PaulVic
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VDL is a complete idiot if this news item is to be believed. The whole purpose of the EU was to prevent wars in Europe , this will be seen as a direct threat by Putin. The countries that border Russia need to be seen as independent otherwise Putin will see them as a direct threat by the west. Why on earth does she feel the need to poke a bear with a stick?
 
 
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VDL is a complete idiot if this news item is to be believed. The whole purpose of the EU was to prevent wars in Europe , this will be seen as a direct threat by Putin. The countries that border Russia need to be seen as independent otherwise Putin will see them as a direct threat by the west. Why on earth does she feel the need to poke a bear with a stick?
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Yes its true, its mention other sources and news too, including bloomberg , the guardian.
Agree ,, Stupid things to say, it's like throwing gasoline to flames.

I have never understood who give rights to someone to pick some idiots for precidents of EU. Like a Rumpuy.

Other questions is, is it putin right to selecet where are they safety buffer. Could they build it inside they own border, and not forcefully try to took independent countries. Ex warsaw pact countries dont want be part of that.
Nordic countries dont want be russia safety buffer.

Nato countries Norway,Estonia,Poland,Latvia,Lithunia has border with Russia. (Kaliningrad)

Its some kind of insane idea like Scotland would tell England, we leave U.K and England tells safety buffer start from Edinburgh.
(sorry thats bad sentence).
 
 
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Why is the unicorn Scotland's national animal?

In Celtic mythology the unicorn was a symbol of purity and innocence, as well as masculinity and power. Tales of dominance and chivalry associated with the unicorn may be why it was chosen as Scotland's national animal.
 
 
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VDL is a complete idiot if this news item is to be believed. The whole purpose of the EU was to prevent wars in Europe , this will be seen as a direct threat by Putin. The countries that border Russia need to be seen as independent otherwise Putin will see them as a direct threat by the west. Why on earth does she feel the need to poke a bear with a stick?
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Should that not be for the Ukrainian people to decide? They are an independent, democratic nation. It's not up to you, me , or the Russian Butchers to decide what is best for Ukraine. Likewise the nonsense spouted here by Putin supporters who are outraged by the Great Satan allowing the ex Soviet nations to join Nato. As democracies it is their sovereign choice to join Nato. Following the invasion of non Nato Ukraine their decision is fully vindicated. The Free peoples of Europe are telling the Russian bear to go fuck himself. And all his supporters can do likewise.
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