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  • OSCE recorded multiple shelling incidents in East Ukraine, gold catches a fresh bid

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    Markets remain tentative after the sudden risk-off move seen in the late-Asian session, as contradictory headlines continue to flood the wires amid intensifying Russia-Ukraine conflict. Organization for Security and Co-operation (OSCE) in Europe has recorded multiple shelling incidents along the line of contact in the East Ukraine in the early hours of Thursday, Reuters reports, citing a diplomatic source on the matter. OSCE has record use of artillery, based on reports from both sides, the source added. Meanwhile, The Ukraine military is reportedly saying that Russian-occupying forces fired on village in Luhansk ... (full story)

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  • OSCE logs active shelling in eastern Ukraine - source

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    Monitors of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe recorded multiple shelling incidents along the line of contact between Russian-backed rebels and government forces in eastern Ukraine on Thursday, a diplomatic source told Reuters. The separatists said earlier that Kyiv forces have shelled their territory with mortars, escalating tensions amid a standoff between Russia and the West. The Ukrainian government, in turn accused the rebels of using artillery.

they were announcing this bout in other order the west media are BIG SCAM
oh my gosh ... real drama starts now
there goes the gold, skyrocketing
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there goes the gold, skyrocketing

Yahoo and I was on board
Funny how they didn't do announcements of these daily conflicts for the past 8 years, but just now...why?
Everyone can see the chart, but only a few can actually read it.
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And where is a video proof of all this? Where are the drones monitoring live this entire BS ?
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This is pure art of using nonsense news to make profit
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it might be real a situation
Quoting OnlineAddict
Funny how they didn't do announcements of these daily conflicts for the past 8 years, but just now...why?
What??? This is puzzling some folk?
Its a about CONTEXT. Because Russia has deployed over 150,000 troop encircling and de Facto threatening invasion of a sovereign country in the center of Europe, thereby threatening a new Cold War. and destabilizing European Security.All the BS about the US or Biden wanting a war is just that. Anyone with breeze of an clue about foreign security policy, will realize that this situation very inconvenient for US strategic policy which is pivoting its priorities towards Asia.
The granularity of reporting on such incidents becomes important bcs its recognized that they provide a PRETEXT for further deployments, direct regional intervention and even invasion.
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Quoting RossEdwards
{quote} What??? This is puzzling some folk? Maybe because the Russian have deployed over 150,000 troop encircling and de Facto threatening invasion of a sovereign country in the center of Europe, thereby threatening a new Cold War. and destabilizing European Security.All the BS about the US wanting a war is that. Anyone with breeze of an clue about foreign security policy, makes this situation very inconvenient for US strategic policy which is pivoting its priorities towards Asia. The granularity of reporting on such incidents becomes important...
This has been happening in Eastern Ukraine for 8 years now...also russian military has been doing these kind of drills on a regular basis. CNN just didn't tell you...

And yes, the US is the only country who wants a conflict...they love conflicts far from their soil, easy money and easy distraction from the mess at home. Even a blind person can see they are escalating this with the help of their media puppets.
Everyone can see the chart, but only a few can actually read it.
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Quoting OnlineAddict
{quote} This has been happening in Eastern Ukraine for 8 years now...also russian military has been doing these kind of drills on a regular basis. CNN just didn't tell you... And yes, the US is the only country who wants a conflict...they love conflicts far from their soil, easy money and easy distraction from the mess at home. Even a blind person can see they are escalating this with the help of their media puppets.
Well @OLA, I respect you views but obviously totally disagree.
But please less of the bar-room patronizing about what CNN "tells me"... and other ad hominem "swipes.
Not helpful.
A lot of folk here have highly partisan views arising from their own domestic political divisions.
Using much of the geopolitical news that inevitably pops up on this thread (in the context of its influence on markets). ..as a pretext to peddle personal/tribal perspectives / biases/ even frustrations.
In a business (Trading) where pragmatism and unbiased analysis is essential to success- this is not helpful. and why so many Member exchanges here develop more heat than light.. and simply become Pissing Matches.
Lets leave it at that. Good trading mate.
- just my opinion.
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Quoting RossEdwards
{quote} Well @OLA, I respect you views but obviously totally disagree. But please less of the bar-room patronizing about what CNN "tells me"... and other ad hominem "swipes. Not helpful. A lot of folk here have highly partisan views arising from their own domestic political divisions. Using much of the geopolitical news that inevitably pops up on this thread (in the context of its influence on markets). ..as a pretext to peddle personal/tribal perspectives / biases/ even frustrations. In a business (Trading) where pragmatism and unbiased...
Well, all we can do is wait and see how everything unfolds in the coming weeks or months. Then it might be more clear what all this was about...
Everyone can see the chart, but only a few can actually read it.
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Quoting RossEdwards
{quote} Because Russia has deployed over 150,000 troop encircling and de Facto threatening invasion of a sovereign country in the center of Europe, thereby threatening a new Cold War. and destabilizing European Security
First Ukraine encircled Donbas republics with more than 100 000 soldiers and heavy artillery,tanks...Threatening classic ethnic cleansing a la Croatia did in 1995 with the help of usual suspects in Washington and Langley. Ukraine even consulted with Croatia on this,no kidding. Putin is on the record saying Russia cannot allow such thing happening to Donbas population,hence Russia deployed credible deterrent force on its side of the border. Maybe Ukrainian side thinks third time is a charm (they mounted two offensives against Donbas previously),but USA and UK are obviously the organisers and instigators of media hysteria and military supplies to Zelensky regime.Nobody is alarmed at the state of democracy and human rights or open Nazi manifestations in Ukraine. The same phenomenon as with behaviour of Saudi Arabia and Israel...
Quoting RossEdwards
{quote} ... threatening invasion of a sovereign country in the center of Europe, ...
Ukraine in the centre of Europe... humm yeah OK, why not...
Quoting ForeverNewb
{quote} Ukraine in the centre of Europe... humm yeah OK, why not...
OK Fair point.. bit of over-reach there..
I could say Im thinking about western Russia as part of Europe?
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Quoting Jugoslavija
{quote} First Ukraine encircled Donbas republics with more than 100 000 soldiers and heavy artillery,tanks...Threatening classic ethnic cleansing a la Croatia did in 1995 with the help of usual suspects in Washington and Langley. Ukraine even consulted with Croatia on this,no kidding. Putin is on the record saying Russia cannot allow such thing happening to Donbas population,hence Russia deployed credible deterrent force on its side of the border. Maybe Ukrainian side thinks third time is a charm (they mounted two offensives against Donbas previously),but...
The Donbas Republics are a self-proclaimed quasi-state in the eastern Ukrainian oblast of Donetsk. Only the partially-recognised South Ossetia and the neighboring Luhansk People's Republic (LPR) recognise it. It seperated with the help of Russian intervention post 2014 election. Im not unsympathetic to their reasons, they are Russian speaking, Russo-ethnic and Russo-cultural.
Naturally however Ukraine was bound to try to bring them to heel an unauthorized devolvement.
Its the Catalonia-Spain dilemma. Like the problem in NI. Like the disjunction between tribal and national (colonially drawn) borders in Africa.
Not easy situations to resolve where differences in identity are seriously religiously, culturally or linguistically different with in drawn borders.
BUT my point is that deployment of Ukrainian troops in an attempt to reclaim Donbas devolvement did have a justification. This Russian threat over the entirety of Ukraine is of a diferent dimension. An attempt to interere with the internal functioning of a Sovereign State.
IMHO its not the same thing.
All respect for your views.
#Just a Thought.
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@ onlineaddict & RossEdwars

38 Lawmakers demanded that Biden undergoes a cognitive test and his approvals are quite under water. Means... he need a drama somewhere else but not at home. So he wants to polish his benchmarks by scoring a win against Germany. That's the real reason.

Remember 14 days ago when Biden met the German chancellor Scholz, in the press conference he blasted that we (US) will bring Nordstream2 to an end. When a reporter asked how he will do it, since the gas pipeline is controlled by Germany, Biden said with a smirk - I promise you we'll get it done.

And now all over sudden this Ukraine drama pops up....
@RossEdwards,Ukraine signed Minsk accords where it is said how to deal with breakaway republics. Constitutional reform,autonomy and supervised fair elections. Not howitzers and tanks. The problem is Germany and France who brokered those agreements are afraid to push reluctant Ukraine to implement them.
While UK/USA governments and media complex behave like arsonists.
If this persists,Russia will recognise both republics as independent countries,much like NATO countries did with Kosovo and we will have another intractable problem in Europe.
Quoting RossEdwards
{quote} The Donbas Republics are a self-proclaimed quasi-state in the eastern Ukrainian oblast of Donetsk.
we have to remember that it all started from the illegal coup in Ukraine instigated by the west back in 2014... so, technically speaking, Donbass region is the only part of Ukraine that remained loyal to the legit and properly elected authority and that the rebels were unable to take under control... of course also Crimea had separated and became part of Russia, but it's another story...
Don't panic, people. No invasion and the max from all that is 2 new countries in Europe))
everybody here on FF seem to be following the news, paying a lot of attention to this BS noise around Ukraine but still missing the most important one that came in some time ago... there was actually an ultimatum that Russia sent to the US and NATO in terms of moving their military bases back inland from Russian borders in Europe... apparently the US and NATO didn't comply with those Russian demands and therefore the Russians will definitely do it themselves by force and quite soon... in this case they may stop advancing only in Lisbon.... so, being heavily short on major indices and stocks is the best strategy at this very moment...
Just came in today in support of my previous post.

The Russian Foreign Ministry released Russia's responses to the US on security assurances.
The document has 11 pages. From the key points:
Russia proposed to the United States to work out a new "security equation". Russia sees the issue of intermediate-range and shorter-range missiles as a necessary component of the new "security equation" with the United States;
withdrawal of all US troops and weapons from central, eastern, southeastern Europe and the Baltics;
Russia expects concrete proposals from the US and NATO on the content and forms of the alliance's legal refusal to expand to the east.
The reaction of the United States and NATO to Russia's proposals for security guarantees was criticized in the Foreign Ministry. “The package nature of Russian proposals was ignored, from which “convenient” topics were deliberately chosen, which, in turn, were “twisted” in the direction of creating advantages for the United States and its allies. This approach, as well as the accompanying rhetoric from US officials, reinforces reasonable doubts that Washington is truly committed to fixing the European security situation,” the document says.
The department stressed that if the United States is not ready to agree on legally binding security guarantees, "Russia will be forced to respond, including by implementing measures of a military-technical nature."
Separately, the document mentions the statements of the West in the context of the crisis near the borders of Ukraine. “Ultimate demands to withdraw troops from certain areas on Russian territory, accompanied by threats of tougher sanctions, are unacceptable and undermine the prospects for reaching real agreements,” the Foreign Ministry said in a response.
only 2 west/east europe will be...in near future
Quoting pridolfx
only 2 west/east europe will be...in near future
on my opinion the entre world is likely to split into several (most likely only four) currency zones... Anglo-Saxons will make one of their own (already started) and the remaining globe will be split between Russia, China and India perhaps....
also today France have finally abandoned their African colony Mali... the country in now under Russian protectorate....
Quoting Jugoslavija
@RossEdwards,Ukraine signed Minsk accords where it is said how to deal with breakaway republics. Constitutional reform,autonomy and supervised fair elections. Not howitzers and tanks. The problem is Germany and France who brokered those agreements are afraid to push reluctant Ukraine to implement them. While UK/USA governments and media complex behave like arsonists. If this persists,Russia will recognise both republics as independent countries,much like NATO countries did with Kosovo and we will have another intractable problem in Europe.
Yes I agree with you. Some western interests have encouraged imprudent Ukrainian obstruction to honoring their part of this agreement. And this has pissed off Russia. Whats needed now is clear and calm heads to bring those principles back on the table, and stabilize Ukraine as a sovereign state, but also recognize that it has a unique position in current East-West geopolitics/balance of power and can best ensure its security and economic future as a self declared unaligned/neutral buffer state, whose independence is guaranteed by Russia EU and US.

Not going to satisfy the sovereignty purists... but as Bismark observed over 100 years ago Diplomacy is the art of the possible.
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Quoting RossEdwards
{quote} Yes I agree with you. Some western interests have encouraged imprudent Ukrainian obstruction to honoring their part of this agreement. And this has pissed off Russia. Whats needed now is clear and calm heads to bring those principles back on the table, and stabilize Ukraine as a sovereign state, but also recognize that it has a unique position in current East-West geopolitics/balance of power and can best ensure its security and economic future as a self declared unaligned/neutral buffer state, whose independence is guaranteed by Russia...

too little too late... Ukrainian economy is now in agonizing stage... neither US nor Russia have enough resources to support or to revive it... Russia has no reason to hurry and can wait till the rotten state of Ukraine falls apart naturally, but the US wants to force Russia into the war ASAP in order to make them to take full responsibility for Ukrainian future and well being after Russians win... US has already agreed to surrender Ukraine to Russia in order to tie up their resources while the US will be forcing China into obedience... all of this is because the US cannot afford dealing with both Russia and China at the same time and has very limited time to achieve the goal...
Quoting RossEdwards
{quote} Its the Catalonia-Spain dilemma. Like the problem in NI. Like the disjunction between tribal and national (colonially drawn) borders in Africa.
Not easy situations to resolve where differences in identity are seriously religiously, culturally or linguistically different with in drawn borders.
completely agree with that part; but it should be for Ukraine and Russia to solve the issues, I'm just so fed up with the US (and UK and EU to some extent) posing as the Defenders of the World. What would they say if Russia were to intervene in the issues with NI, Catalonia etc???
Quoting RossEdwards
{quote} as Bismark observed over 100 years ago Diplomacy is the art of the possible.
Bismark also once sad a few things about Russia...
like:
Do not expect that once taking advantage of Russia's weakness, you will receive dividends forever. Russian has always come for their money. And when they come - do not rely on an agreement signed by you, you are supposed to justify. They are not worth the paper it is written. Therefore, with the Russian is to play fair, or do not play.
"Make alliances with anyone, start any war, but never touch the Russians."
Quoting Igrok
{quote} Bismark also once sad a few things about Russia...."
I agree BUT
Dont go there..
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Bismark said some very unflattering and controversial things about Russia..
and that quotation is definitely not applicable to Putin.

Quoting ForeverNewb
{quote} completely agree with that part; but it should be for Ukraine and Russia to solve the issues, I'm just so fed up with the US (and UK and EU to some extent) posing as the Defenders of the World. What would they say if Russia were to intervene in the issues with NI, Catalonia etc???
No. IMHO, and it is MHO, that oversimplification is dangerous and even naieve.
A deal where one party is militarily or economically vastly superior to the other, needs other stakeholders involved. It needs guarantors, and particularly where geopolitical nuclear superpower interests are involved. There are other major stakeholders in this particularly the EU.
But also US thru NATO which is the bedrock of European security strategy.
With respect IMHO, you quote NI?- Bad choice.. what we have seen there is that the Americans who were major actors thru Clinton in brokering that peace.. have not been afraid to speak up even against its biggest European ally the UK when it pursues Brexit policies that compromise that hard earned peace and stability.
Nobody interferes in the Catalan/Spain issue because it is a purely domestic issue with no other stakeholders.
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Quoting RossEdwards
{quote} I agree BUT Dont go there..{image} Bismark said some very unflattering and controversial things about Russia.. {quote}

flattering or not but the main point is always the same - do no touch Russians....)))))
Quoting Igrok
{quote} flattering or not but the main point is always the same - do no touch Russians....)))))
I think you (and Bismark) are of one mind...
"do not TRUST the Russians"

Anyway.. good to chat.. ..and good trading to you.
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Quoting RossEdwards
{quote} I think you (and Bismark) are of one mind... "do not TRUST the Russians" Anyway.. good to chat.. ..and good trading to you.
good trading to you as well... in any case and since the war is imminent we can just relax and make huge profits by shorting all the major indices and their dogs....)))
Quoting Igrok
{quote} No. IMHO, and it is MHO, that oversimplification is dangerous and even naieve.
A deal where one party is militarily or economically vastly superior to the other, needs other stakeholders involved. It needs guarantors, and particularly where geopolitical nuclear superpower interests are involved. There are other major stakeholders in this particularly the EU.
But also US thru NATO which is the bedrock of European security strategy.
With respect IMHO, you quote NI?- Bad choice.. what we have seen there is that the Americans who were major...
So we'll disagree on that and that's fine. I'd say you are the one with the naive short-term view, but that's only my opinion so will just leave it at: for me, the way it's done (not necessarily the principle of doing it) is neocolonialism, and NATO out-lived it's usefulness in the 60s. Yes it's quite a caricatural statement as too keep it extremely short, I think you're smart enough to understand where I stand with that and that we won't resolve our differences on a public forum... maybe not even around a drink though the discussion could be very interesting
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