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  • Trump to join Giuliani in PA: GOP state lawmakers "hearing" on allegations of fraud in election

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  • Nov 25, 2020 12:27am Nov 25, 2020 12:27am
some blast may happen
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  • Nov 25, 2020 12:43am Nov 25, 2020 12:43am
Release the Kraken
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  • Nov 25, 2020 1:11am Nov 25, 2020 1:11am
Quoting upasna
some blast may happen
Yeah, anyone who hasn't been paying close attention may be in for a rude awakening over the coming days. Tons of things that just don't make any logical sense. Even one or two would be weird, but when you consider there are a LOT, well then it starts to strain credulity. Just one of many examples is this:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EnhfzS2X...g&name=900x900
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  • Nov 25, 2020 1:15am Nov 25, 2020 1:15am
Since when do states COORDINATE on election night? It's very unusual for even a single state to stop counting and say "Yeah, I think we'll just go home for the night." But for 5 or 6 to do it, all within minutes of each other? Hmm... but then it turns out they all changed their mind within a couple hours, and started counting again. Unfortunately by then all the observers had left. Oh well, no big deal, we'll be honest... we promise. And then suddenly... HEY, looks like Joe isn't doing so bad after all.

It's nearly certain the Supreme Court will reverse PA. Remains to be seen how the other contested states go (there are now 7 and counting I think), but all Trump would need to is two of them. Then again, there are so many issues in so many cities/states, the Supremes may just trash them all and throw it to the House.
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  • Nov 25, 2020 1:24am Nov 25, 2020 1:24am
America the not so great when it comes to having a Central Electoral Commission that follows strict rules for voting that are uniform for the entire country and stamp out the anomalies/corruption or grey areas that seem to abound in the Great Democracy or rather the Not so Great Democracy. They knew there were problems , had time to correct it and didn't get it right. DUH.!!!!
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  • Nov 25, 2020 1:26am Nov 25, 2020 1:26am
We can't do anything about the shenanigans and the conspiracy theories with these two but let's hope the dye stays on their hair this time.
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  • Nov 25, 2020 1:34am Nov 25, 2020 1:34am
Fun fact about Georgia (from a just-filed complaint):

Turns out there really WASN'T a water leak in Atlanta, but that didn't stop them using that as an excuse to pack up the ballots and take them to an undisclosed location to continue the counting. Huh, what? (Don't worry Dems, at least there weren't any CCTV cameras there... or were there? Oops!)
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  • Nov 25, 2020 1:36am Nov 25, 2020 1:36am
Quoting Nick.
We can't do anything about the shenanigans and the conspiracy theories with these two but let's hope the dye stays on their hair this time.
Yep, that was pretty weird (and I actually like Rudy). But just keep underestimating the guy... a number of mafia bosses wish they had taken him more seriously.
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  • Nov 25, 2020 1:39am Nov 25, 2020 1:39am
Quoting Scran
America the not so great when it comes to having a Central Electoral Commission that follows strict rules for voting that are uniform for the entire country and stamp out the anomalies/corruption or grey areas that seem to abound in the Great Democracy or rather the Not so Great Democracy. They knew there were problems , had time to correct it and didn't get it right. DUH.!!!!
Totally agree. This is one area that should NOT be "states rights" where they get to make up their own rules. When it affects every person in the country, there HAS to be a nationwide process. And too bad nobody warned us that universal mail-in voting was ripe for fraud, mistakes, and confusion, huh?
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  • Nov 25, 2020 1:43am Nov 25, 2020 1:43am
Sure, seems legit...


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  • Nov 25, 2020 1:58am Nov 25, 2020 1:58am
Quoting Ratmach
Sure, seems legit... {image}
That picture defines what a cult really means.
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  • Nov 25, 2020 2:03am Nov 25, 2020 2:03am
Quoting Nick.
{quote} That picture defines what a cult really means.
I know. Obediently sitting in little crop circles is pretty strange, huh?
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  • Nov 25, 2020 2:15am Nov 25, 2020 2:15am
Quoting bobfx
Release the Kraken
There is no Kraken in usa for a start. The old folklore was not geographically there, so it is a wishful thinking that Kraken will be released, whatever that is.....ROFL
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  • Nov 25, 2020 2:15am Nov 25, 2020 2:15am
Quoting Nick.
We can't do anything about the shenanigans and the conspiracy theories with these two but let's hope the dye stays on their hair this time.
We might get to see both orange and black dripping down this time. Nice combination to the lousy tv series Orange and Black - maybe that will be where these two clowns will be in the near future. Even clowns needs to be held accountable for their deeds
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  • Nov 25, 2020 2:29am Nov 25, 2020 2:29am
Hopefully we will see more this type of news in the future:
Fox paid seven figures to settle lawsuit over bogus Seth Rich conspiracy story;
https://www.yahoo.com/news/fox-paid-seven-figures-to-settle-lawsuit-over-bogus-seth-rich-conspiracy-story-003236858.html
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  • Nov 25, 2020 5:02am Nov 25, 2020 5:02am
Trump should circumstance arise cause leave of White House would not concede in any event.
Always until this situation gets resolved as to Legitimacy there should be a Stain upon Result.

The evidence he is seeing certainly does not support any notion that Biden won an election.
There are enough sources Publicly available and put out to Public by Trump administration that show
far too many irregularities, statistical impossibilities and sure to be released in upcoming Court filings
Affidavits of improper and Fraudulent acts.

For one in Georgia, attorney Lin Wood is getting footage and service Logs related to the Flood which was used as excuse to stop the count. Apparently it never happened. A stuffed up Toilet got turned into the Great Flood to stop an election count.

Sydney Powell is supposed to file significant case in Georgia Today.
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  • Nov 25, 2020 5:09am Nov 25, 2020 5:09am
The election on nov 3rd. A recap:

6:00pm......winning Big
7:00pm......winning Bigger
8:00pm......winning Biggest
9:00pm......winning Biggest Ever
10:00pm....WON in a landslide
11:00pm....lights-out to see how many votes needed
11:00 pm - 6am. Suddenly 1 million votes come in by truckload in the middle of the night. 100% for Biden with no down ballot candidate.
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  • Nov 25, 2020 5:47am Nov 25, 2020 5:47am
Quoting Mingary
The election on nov 3rd. A recap: 6:00pm......winning Big 7:00pm......winning Bigger 8:00pm......winning Biggest 9:00pm......winning Biggest Ever 10:00pm....WON in a landslide 11:00pm....lights-out to see how many votes needed 11:00 pm - 6am. Suddenly 1 million votes come in by truckload in the middle of the night. 100% for Biden with no down ballot candidate.
Don't worry my friend it will all come out soon enough, and soon according to
Sydney Powell
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  • Nov 25, 2020 6:29am Nov 25, 2020 6:29am
"Keep your Friends close keep your enemies closer"
Godfather2
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  • Nov 25, 2020 6:34am Nov 25, 2020 6:34am
Am I too late for the 'Conspiricy Theorist' meeting? Let me grab my tin hat, and I'll be right back...
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  • Nov 25, 2020 6:58am Nov 25, 2020 6:58am
People need to focus on their cherished voting system and protect their constitution,
As there are very few chances left,
protect the constitution against ??????,

I am an Australian can someone fill in the rest, for me, please.
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  • Nov 25, 2020 7:01am Nov 25, 2020 7:01am
Gingrich refereed to sloppiness.
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  • Nov 25, 2020 8:15am Nov 25, 2020 8:15am
So the little trump'pets are out again blowing garbage yet again
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  • Nov 25, 2020 9:48am Nov 25, 2020 9:48am
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  • Nov 25, 2020 9:50am Nov 25, 2020 9:50am
So the cancel culture are out in force again, trying to shut down the debate.

Nice try, but we all know how it works.
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  • Nov 25, 2020 10:09am Nov 25, 2020 10:09am
Quoting Ratmach
Sure, seems legit... {image}
This is a great picture showing that super spreader events were not needed in order to capture the hearts and the votes of the majority.
Imagine the lives that could have been saved if they only knew the damage of large mass gatherings during the pandemic, not to mention the damage to the environment from all those huge pick up trucks driven to the mass spreader events.
Live and learn I guess or for the super spreaders, don't learn and die by Covid or by votes.
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  • Nov 25, 2020 10:55am Nov 25, 2020 10:55am
Quoting Ratmach
{quote} Totally agree. This is one area that should NOT be "states rights" where they get to make up their own rules. When it affects every person in the country, there HAS to be a nationwide process. And too bad nobody warned us that universal mail-in voting was ripe for fraud, mistakes, and confusion, huh?
All these allegations and not a shred of proof, this was the most secure election in modern US history. The simple reason that Biden was behind at first and pulled way ahead in the end was that more Dems used mail in voting and therefore kept gaining as the count continued when the polls closed. You know trump was hurt he lost the popular vote to Hilary last election so he tasked Vice President Mike Pence and Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach to find evidence of fraud, called it the voting integrity commission, surprise surprise there was no fraud( the few indiscretions that were found balanced out between both sides). The response to the election results by the trump team has been infantile. They disrespect the men and women who managed the election. They disrespect their own republican observers that oversaw the process and said it was fair. The lie spread by trump that observers were not allowed was disproved along with everything else he has been claiming. The guy has a poor track record when it comes to honesty, just look at how often he contradicts himself on twitter and then says "I never said that". I find all these discussions interesting but where is the proof to back up all these allegations, hard provable facts, not some crackpot theories spread by the epoch times or the onion.
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  • Nov 25, 2020 10:58am Nov 25, 2020 10:58am
Quoting NotBoris
{quote} There is no Kraken in usa for a start. The old folklore was not geographically there, so it is a wishful thinking that Kraken will be released, whatever that is.....ROFL
I think it was a typo, it was Release Karen....She'll tell em what for
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  • Nov 25, 2020 11:20am Nov 25, 2020 11:20am
Quoting foto
"Keep your Friends close keep your enemies closer" Godfather2
You can pick your friends, you can pick your nose, but you can't pick your friend's nose!" -- Eddie Black
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  • Nov 25, 2020 1:09pm Nov 25, 2020 1:09pm
Quoting Ratmach
Sure, seems legit... {image}
Pic is unclear and fuzzy.

Is the upper top image showing Biden talking to a small audience, most likely it is as this small audience wore masks and social distancing? If yes, I rather have a small group of intellects over a fully packed stadium of fools. Period.
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  • Nov 25, 2020 2:26pm Nov 25, 2020 2:26pm
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March to the US Supreme Court underway.
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  • Nov 25, 2020 2:29pm Nov 25, 2020 2:29pm
Quoting OutThere
{quote} This is a great picture showing that super spreader events were not needed in order to capture the hearts and the votes of the majority. Imagine the lives that could have been saved if they only knew the damage of large mass gatherings during the pandemic, not to mention the damage to the environment from all those huge pick up trucks driven to the mass spreader events. Live and learn I guess or for the super spreaders, don't learn and die by Covid or by votes.
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The most significant super spreader event: Putting covid positive patients in nursing homes.

Oh man! The truth is difficult to deal with!
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  • Nov 25, 2020 2:31pm Nov 25, 2020 2:31pm
Quoting OutThere
{quote} This is a great picture showing that super spreader events were not needed in order to capture the hearts and the votes of the majority. Imagine the lives that could have been saved if they only knew the damage of large mass gatherings during the pandemic, not to mention the damage to the environment from all those huge pick up trucks driven to the mass spreader events. Live and learn I guess or for the super spreaders, don't learn and die by Covid or by votes.
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Kneel to your god "super spreader" alarmists!
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  • Nov 25, 2020 3:14pm Nov 25, 2020 3:14pm
Imagine there is a forest fire burning up trees, houses, shops and right now it is at the worst it has ever been. Totally out of control on it's path of destruction. People are dying, hospitals full of dead and injured, factories and workplaces are burnt down or closed....

Then comes this guy making more fires, adding to it, cheering it as it grows and consumes even more of it's victims. He is burning in the fire too but does not care. He enjoys seeing destruction and is elated contributing to the misery as much as he can.

Why?

Hard to believe it but there are ppl like that doing that sort of thing thing except that the pandemic is now the thing ravaging through the cities and destroying everything in it's path.

This time, there isn't just a stupid single guy helping the fire. It's a whole mob of them with a leadership who is pissed off and setting norms on fire is their mantra.


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  • Nov 25, 2020 3:16pm Nov 25, 2020 3:16pm
Quoting Winston Reed
{image} March to the US Supreme Court underway.
I hope people are watching the PA legislature hearing from witnesses and other about what went on there. So far it's sounding VERY bad, and there's no way this will be allowed to stand. Even Biden supporters should be thoroughly embarrassed by the blatant in-your-face fraud. This may not even get to the Supreme Court... I think the state legislature may come up with a solution before then.

And to you Trump haters: WHAT ARE YOU AFRAID OF? Why are you so afraid of having detailed recounts that examine each and every signature and ballot, with observers sitting right next to the counters? Why are you afraid to have each and every machine audited? WHY ARE YOU AFRAID TO HAVE 100% TRANSPARENCY?

Here, I'll answer my own question: They're afraid because they know that not only will it prove that Trump did indeed get more votes, but it'll show that he got FAR more votes than Biden... that he did indeed win in a landslide. Oh, and the reason I try not to say "Democrats" when I'm referring to those who applaud the fraud, is because I know it's not ALL Dems. In fact, lots of evidence that up to 30% of Democrats actually voted for Trump. (And a poll a couple days ago show that over 30% of Dems believe "the election is being stolen" from Trump. 30%... of Dems!)
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  • Nov 25, 2020 3:53pm Nov 25, 2020 3:53pm
Four Seasons, Part II? Maddow Finds Something Weird In Next Big Giuliani Event
Once again, a Trump event isn’t quite what it appears to be.

"The hearing, she noted, is not in the state Senate or even in Pennsylvania’s capital city of Harrisburg but rather a GOP-only event at the Wyndham Hotel in Gettysburg.

“They’re calling this like ‘the Pennsylvania Legislature’s investigating the election,’” she said. “No, people are going to go eat rolled-up sandwiches on a catering plate while they listen to Rudy Giuliani say the things that he said on Lou Dobbs.”

“Unless perhaps it’s Wyndham Total Landscaping,” she cracked.

There, she said Republicans will hear a presentation from Giuliani. "

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/rachel-maddow-trump-giuliani-hearing_n_5fbdd45cc5b61d04bfa52aac
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  • Nov 25, 2020 4:28pm Nov 25, 2020 4:28pm
Quoting Winston Reed
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Lock downs work. Compare the covid19 death rate between Sweden and Finland for example. There is about 10x more deaths per capita in Sweden than in Finland and the Finnish economy has actually been doing better than the Swedish economy despite the lock down which lasted for a bout a month.
Masks work, there are several studies proving it but even with using some common sense you should be able to understand it.

Virus is spreading in USA because people ignore the instructions and don't use masks.
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  • Nov 25, 2020 4:28pm Nov 25, 2020 4:28pm
If you're not doing this then you just don't care.
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  • Nov 25, 2020 4:33pm Nov 25, 2020 4:33pm
Quoting TraderTero
{quote} Lock downs work. Compare the covid19 death rate between Sweden and Finland for example. There is about 10x more deaths per capita in Sweden than in Finland and the Finnish economy has actually been doing better than the Swedish economy despite the lock down which lasted for a bout a month. Masks work, there are several studies proving it but even with using some common sense you should be able to understand it.
Sorry but there is plenty of evidence backed up by RCT studies proving they don't work. If they work so well then why are cases increasing? Everywhere I go EVERYONE is wearing a mask and still cases increasing. The virus is here and we can wear all the silly masks you want and hide in our houses all your want. It doesn't do a friggin thing. Let's stop driving cars and thousands will not die from accidents. Lets stop eating red meat and other unhealthy foods and about 650,000 people that die from heart disease every year might not die.

And the next time we are attacked by a foreign country let's hide. LOL.
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  • Nov 25, 2020 4:38pm Nov 25, 2020 4:38pm
The only thing masks and lockdowns are doing is destroying peoples lives by destroying their businesses, increasing the rates of suicides, alcoholism and drug use. Those who are most at risk are the only ones who should take precautions. It is very selfish for a diminutive percentage of the population to expect everyone else to stop living.

Only big government is benefitting from shutdowns and masks. This is how they flex their muscle. This is how a republic becomes tyrannical.
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  • Nov 25, 2020 4:55pm Nov 25, 2020 4:55pm
Quoting Winston Reed
The only thing masks and lockdowns are doing is destroying peoples lives by destroying their businesses, increasing the rates of suicides, alcoholism and drug use. Those who are most at risk are the only ones who should take precautions. It is very selfish for a diminutive percentage of the population to expect everyone else to stop living. Only big government is benefitting from shutdowns and masks. This is how they flex their muscle. This is how a republic becomes tyrannical.
It's actually people like you who destroy lives and kill other people by not taking the virus seriously and spreading it.
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  • Nov 25, 2020 6:32pm Nov 25, 2020 6:32pm
This is not a game folks, so please treat the issue with the respect it deserves,

If there is any chance of wrongdoing with the voting system what should you do,
please tell me
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  • Nov 25, 2020 7:28pm Nov 25, 2020 7:28pm
Quoting Ratmach
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Masks are supposed to reduce transmission.
You welcome to wear any of your masks in the picture that you think will reduce transmission.
As always practice social distancing as much as possible in addition to wearing a good mask.
Here are a few of educational vid for you.

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  • Nov 25, 2020 8:04pm Nov 25, 2020 8:04pm
Quoting Dingoman-two
This is not a game folks, so please treat the issue with the respect it deserves, If there is any chance of wrongdoing with the voting system what should you do, please tell me
Exactly. I've been completely stressed out since election night. Not just because I (admittedly) support Trump, but because something so clearly is NOT RIGHT about how it all went down. And not just the election itself, but all the lead-up to it. The "results" we're currently seeing make absolutely ZERO sense. Oh, and just thought of something. What happened to the polls? Remember how they all showed that Trump was gonna get trounced by 10% points or more in all the swing states? I wonder why nobody talks about THAT anymore. Sure they say Trump is being a "sore loser", since Biden is currently leading in all those states. But they're just ignoring the fact that even if those numbers were accurate, it would still be MUCH different than what the polls claimed. (Hint... look up the term "suppression polls")
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  • Nov 25, 2020 8:07pm Nov 25, 2020 8:07pm
Quoting Dingoman-two
This is not a game folks, so please treat the issue with the respect it deserves, If there is any chance of wrongdoing with the voting system what should you do, please tell me
And I'm trying to put myself in their shoes, Biden supporters. I'd like to think if it was me, I would be DEMANDING hand recounts, including signature verification and all the rest. I'd be angry that Trump and half of this country now consider Biden illegally elected if he wins, and I'd hate that. So yes, I would be DEMANDING it all be looked into. So it's just amazing to me that they're doing exactly the opposite!
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  • Nov 25, 2020 8:12pm Nov 25, 2020 8:12pm
Quoting Dingoman-two
This is not a game folks, so please treat the issue with the respect it deserves, If there is any chance of wrongdoing with the voting system what should you do, please tell me
Maybe reading this can help? A few very good reasons are given as to why this is a time waster.

https://pressfrom.info/us/news/polit...r-setback.html

If not, trying to be a real president and do the job properly might get more votes and avoid doing all this shenanigans to get elected. Also taking some counselling on how to not be a sore loser can help too.
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  • Nov 25, 2020 8:24pm Nov 25, 2020 8:24pm
Very credible eyewitness accounts of improprieties, statistical analysis of impossible events presented to Penn. State Legislators.
Questions arose how nearly 600,000 votes for Biden got entered in 90 minutes while only 3200 for Trump in same period.
Received back approximately 700,000 more mail in ballots then got sent out by Authorities.
State Legislators will be pursuing this.
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  • Nov 25, 2020 11:09pm Nov 25, 2020 11:09pm
Quoting Dingoman-two
This is not a game folks, so please treat the issue with the respect it deserves, If there is any chance of wrongdoing with the voting system what should you do, please tell me
We already know the answer.

RELEASE THE KRAKEN
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  • Nov 25, 2020 11:11pm Nov 25, 2020 11:11pm
U S phony election looks like orchestrated organised crime. Hundreds will be locked up when this is proven.
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  • Nov 25, 2020 11:19pm Nov 25, 2020 11:19pm
Here it is the KRAKEN.
You need tainted glasses to see it though.
Apparently judges don't wear them glasses.
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  • Nov 25, 2020 11:38pm Nov 25, 2020 11:38pm
Oh oh. Trump just pardoned Mike Flynn. We knew that was coming eventually, unless corrupt judge Sullivan suddenly came to his senses. And I love seeing some Trump haters say he did this because he knew he was gonna lose the election, and would be out of office before long. But if that was the reason, there's absolutely no reason he couldn't have waited till right up to the last day. Flynn was in no immediate danger, so WHY did Trump issue the pardon NOW?

Well, one possibility, is that Flynn has some info he can disclose REGARDING THE ELECTION FRAUD that he couldn't while the "conviction" was hanging over his head. And never forget what Mike's position was before all this happened? Hmmm... yep, things are about to get interesting.
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  • Nov 25, 2020 11:47pm Nov 25, 2020 11:47pm
Even super winners can lose once in a while. It's called life:
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  • Nov 26, 2020 12:39am Nov 26, 2020 12:39am
The only thing for evil to triumph,
is for good men to do nothing.
By Edmond Burke
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  • Nov 26, 2020 12:51am Nov 26, 2020 12:51am
Quoting foto
Very credible eyewitness accounts of improprieties, statistical analysis of impossible events presented to Penn. State Legislators. Questions arose how nearly 600,000 votes for Biden got entered in 90 minutes while only 3200 for Trump in same period. Received back approximately 700,000 more mail in ballots then got sent out by Authorities. State Legislators will be pursuing this.
Big picture......Now you know he's a bit of a cry baby....would you still want Trump as your leader? Seriously?

The nights ended. The lights are on and your date was a minger all along.
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  • Nov 26, 2020 4:11am Nov 26, 2020 4:11am
Big Spike Explained.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGGlnHe3Rgc
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  • Nov 26, 2020 4:16am Nov 26, 2020 4:16am
Quoting Dingoman-two
The only thing for evil to triumph, is for good men to do nothing. By Edmond Burke
You nailed it!

That's possibly why the good people in usa voted Biden! Can't say much about the other side.

Any more news from trump?
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  • Nov 26, 2020 4:34am Nov 26, 2020 4:34am
Quoting Mingary
The election on nov 3rd. A recap: 6:00pm......winning Big 7:00pm......winning Bigger 8:00pm......winning Biggest 9:00pm......winning Biggest Ever 10:00pm....WON in a landslide 11:00pm....lights-out to see how many votes needed 11:00 pm - 6am. Suddenly 1 million votes come in by truckload in the middle of the night. 100% for Biden with no down ballot candidate.
Again... Manipulation and lying by Mingary.

They counted the in personal voting first, which is overwelmingly used by Reps. The first mail in ballotts, are dominated by people who actually work and are smart enough to vote by mail because they don't want to stay in lines for hours. They overwelmingly voted for Biden and their votes started to be counted during the night and over the next 2 weeks. First you get the results from in person votes of small rural towns and regions which are likely Reps, towards the end you get the results from the big cities which are mainly democrates. The process takes time if you do it carefully and as exactly predicted Trump will lead in the beginning but that will change the more mail in ballotts are counted over time. This happened in every state and happened in past elections, but since voting by mail has become more popular the effect got even bigger.

It was very clearly predicted that Trump will claim victory early before mail in ballotts votes are counted in the hope he could just shut down the counting after that. That is the reason why you Mingary helped Trump to discredit voting by mail. You not even failed to provide evidence.... everybody who looked into it saw that voting by mail has a very low rate of fraud and therefore is the best way to vote actually. Looking back you completly failed with your strategy and even promoted voting by mail.
So no 3D chess, a traitor mess!


This is treason. Why? Because it is a pure propaganda war against democracy and the rule of law without even a tiny little sandcorn of truth. Trump does not concede because he tried to rigg this election in an epic way and the evidence is all over Twitter and a lot of that has been done in bright daylight. You have to be corrupt on an epic level to support this effort, so the only lawyers left who where ready to do it where a few batshit cracy lunatic conspiracy nut jobs under the lead of "hand deep down in his trousers" Guiliani. Trump must be totally broke already in every possible way. Not a single professional lawyer will damage his name in such a fraud in front of a judge.

Another giantic crime in the making is the corrupt pardoning of his cronies. It currently starts and my prediction is that it will reach a criminal level never seen before. The original idea and reason behind the pardon power given to a president will be completly destroyed and corrupted. My prediction is that future investigations will prove he will give pardons against money and favours of all kinds. All to his personal benefit and not to the benefit of America. To save his own ass from going to jail.

Each pardoning is an admission of guilt. It will be a perfect guideline to identify the worst criminals in his inner circle.

Biden and the democrates should fight back full trottle. This crimial and pathological liar must go to jail. Same to those who lied and enabled him along the way. Furthermore right wing media outlets, which are part of a propaganda machinery that bombard the public with lies, should be held accountable for the damage done to the public and the democracy too. Reasonable regulation is required - urgently.

If this isn't cleaned up properly, the whole mess will rise to another level and Americans might finally pay for it with significant violence or even revolution. Conservative values are not a bad thing per se. A democracy has to integrate all voices over the whole spectrum and enable ways to peacefully move forward with compromises based on objectiv truth. The pathological liars across the whole political spectrum (left, right and center) have to be sorted out continously. Liars should pay for their lies and shamed and sanctioned by the public - and not just in front of a judge. If they don't, it is a question of time only thil public order will brake down.

America already went way too far down that road and it has become a global problem.
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  • Nov 26, 2020 4:43am Nov 26, 2020 4:43am
Almost everything Trump said at a Republican event in Pennsylvania about the election was a lie or a conspiracy theory:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/almost-everything-trump-said-republican-225257961.html
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  • Nov 26, 2020 4:58am Nov 26, 2020 4:58am
Transition warning: Trump's mental illness is a growing danger:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/transition-warning-trumps-mental-illness-081510514.html
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Its OVER.
Jan 20th -Trumps Out.
Ignore him and the Mingarys of this world grasping at straws to support their misjudged calls and indulge their conspiracy and misinformation agenda..

As Traders and investors we must move on and now focus on the new administration, and how the rollback of Trump policies will influence markets. Interesting that despite Trumps losing.. the equity bull market rolls on?
Will there be a pull back very likely.. but because of the virus..not because DT is no longer POTUS..
Focus on the markets.
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  • Nov 26, 2020 7:29am Nov 26, 2020 7:29am
It is over but it is over for Biden.
The Democrats will be given opportunity to refute What Giuliani and Powell are presenting.
This is not going to be covered up by Mass Media.

Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan are only the beginning.

How very wonderful, Gettysburg Pennsylvania where tide of the Civil War turned, once again becomes the place of Rebirth of United States of America. Hallowed and Consecrated by Blood of War is that Ground.
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  • Nov 26, 2020 7:48am Nov 26, 2020 7:48am
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It is over but it is over for Biden. The Democrats will be given opportunity to refute What Giuliani and Powell are presenting. This is not going to be covered up by Mass Media. Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan are only the beginning. How very wonderful, Gettysburg Pennsylvania where tide of the Civil War turned, once again becomes the place of Rebirth of United States of America. Hallowed and Consecrated by Blood of War is that Ground.
Sweet and peaceful rhetoric foto thank you.
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  • Nov 26, 2020 7:55am Nov 26, 2020 7:55am
Trump's inner circle is telling him that Giuliani and the rest of his legal team are making him look like an idiot, report says:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trumps-inner-circle-telling-him-105605458.html

Not only him but also his supporters posting here. Time to move on.
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  • Nov 26, 2020 7:59am Nov 26, 2020 7:59am
personally i have enjoyed the few minutes i take once in a while to read comments about the election. IF the election was 'stolen' from Trump, then he was outwitted and out manoeuvered by the democrats. So maybe, since he knew this was going to happen, his plan all along was to just tarnish the system and fight it out afterwards, always spreading doubt to anyone willing to listen. People (here and around the world, not just America) regurgitate the news THEY want to believe. Do not think for ONE second anyone here changes anyone else's mind about anything. In this time of being able to put ANY opinion on the internet, anyone can say anything, anywhere, anytime, with or without fact. Most of the postings are just to get comments/ratings/ etc to make more money form traffic to the site. MONEY and power, does, and always will run, it all.
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I think he may have has lost the favored vote folks,
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Quoting Dingoman-two
I think he may have has lost the favored vote folks, {image}
Appears that anti fragile monkey wrench thrown into the machine gearbox is starting to shear off Sprocket Teeth.

All that noise coming in is to be expected. It too shall pass.
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  • Nov 26, 2020 10:16am Nov 26, 2020 10:16am
Quoting Dingoman-two
{quote} Sweet and peaceful rhetoric foto thank you. https://youtu.be/k5RHQnO-Jqk {image}
Please do not associate my screen name anywhere within a mile from d t. I do not have any affiliation with this orange man nor am I interested to know what he does and will be doing. All I care about is WORLD PEACE for my next generation

I love Danish (lovely people) but I hate Danish (too sweet).....if you don't like me, just ignore me instead of providing a free advert for me

It is never difficult to see the level of intellectual of d t trumpeters are, amazed just how many worms the can had released when opened but not at all surprised.

Happy trading.
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  • Nov 26, 2020 10:19am Nov 26, 2020 10:19am
Quoting bobfx
Big Spike Explained. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGGlnHe3Rgc
Poor English, poor grammar....these men makes my day. Now, I finally know why they are asking for recount!!!!

Much - UNCOUNTABLE noun

Many - COUNTABLE noun

So when rudy asked how much there was, how do one count.......ROFL. Poor command of English, reminds me again where this bloke got his law degree? Phoenix uni backdoor?

ROFL
ROFL
ROFL
ROFL
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  • Nov 26, 2020 1:21pm Nov 26, 2020 1:21pm
The ballots are still there I assume. They can recount them or machine count them or whatever. There may even be able to count them in the same sequence that they did before. This supposed count anomaly practically came up right away as per the famous red and blue curve. It is no Kraken. The Trump side could have questioned it from the day 1 and asked for manual and machine count. Why is it dragging until now?
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  • Nov 26, 2020 1:26pm Nov 26, 2020 1:26pm
Quoting NotBoris
{quote} Poor English, poor grammar....these men makes my day. Now, I finally know why they are asking for recount!!!! Much - UNCOUNTABLE noun Many - COUNTABLE noun So when rudy asked how much there was, how do one count.......ROFL. Poor command of English, reminds me again where this bloke got his law degree? Phoenix uni backdoor? ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL
Yah, in a recent court appearance, he didn't know the meaning of the word 'opacity'. The judge had to explain it to him and afterwards he said it was too big a word for him.

No wonder he charges only 20K per day. Imagine if he knew the language better or he didn't leak...he'd probably be after 50K/day for his performance.

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/worl...lection-result
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  • Nov 26, 2020 1:58pm Nov 26, 2020 1:58pm
Also, since we are hot on the conspiracy theory trails, how come Covid hasn't disappeared yet? The Trumpies said the day that Trump gets defeated Corona Virus is going to disappear. What's going on? Is this a sign that Trump hasn't been defeated yet? Is that why the virus is worse than ever? Trump and the virus live and die together?
How nice it'd be if they both disappeared together?
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  • Nov 26, 2020 3:05pm Nov 26, 2020 3:05pm
This is what you mothaFers should be getting your panties in bunch about instead of ur stupid conspiracy theories about counting machines: https://www.the-sun.com/news/1862552/russia-tests-terrifying-star-wars-missile/
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  • Nov 26, 2020 10:22pm Nov 26, 2020 10:22pm
Quoting TraderTero
{quote} It's actually people like you who destroy lives and kill other people by not taking the virus seriously and spreading it.
Keep drinking that kool aid dude!
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  • Nov 27, 2020 7:04am Nov 27, 2020 7:04am
Quoting Ratmach
{quote} Exactly. I've been completely stressed out since election night. Not just because I (admittedly) support Trump, but because something so clearly is NOT RIGHT about how it all went down. And not just the election itself, but all the lead-up to it. The "results" we're currently seeing make absolutely ZERO sense. Oh, and just thought of something. What happened to the polls? Remember how they all showed that Trump was gonna get trounced by 10% points or more in all the swing states? I wonder why nobody talks about THAT anymore. Sure...
You gotta know that polls can be wildly inaccurate. Polls had Hillary by a decent margin last election and they were wrong. The problem with the election is that the losing side always has the feeling something is NOT RIGHT. What is it that is wrong? There have been unsubstantiated allegations by trump from before, during and after the election about fraud. The people whom he disrespects by saying this are both Reps and Dems as both sides take part in the counting and they all knew a tantrum was coming. This has been the most secure election in modern US history largely because it was known anything other than a trump victory would be shit show. There is no hard evidence of voter fraud and I doubt they will find any because it's not there. Here is another tidbit. More Democrats voted by mail, more Republicans voted in person. More mail in votes ( especially among younger voters) were rejected because of silly things like a signature doesn't look exactly right. Simple math here but because more Dems vote by mail and more mail in ballots were disqualified Joe probably lost more valid votes that Don anyway. Everyone keeps saying wait and see but one thing about trump is he doesn't grow moss. If he wants something done he acts on it and gets the ball rolling, that's his business background he has no patience for bureaucratic BS. So I say if they are holding aces his cards would be on the table already and he would be scooping up the pot but I think he has a pair of dueces with a 7 high and he just wants to keep sitting at the table. We'll see maybe he does and Sleepy Joe will go down.
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Quoting harcos
{quote} You gotta know that polls can be wildly inaccurate. Polls had Hillary by a decent margin last election and they were wrong. The problem with the election is that the losing side always has the feeling something is NOT RIGHT. What is it that is wrong? There have been unsubstantiated allegations by trump from before, during and after the election about fraud. The people whom he disrespects by saying this are both Reps and Dems as both sides take part in the counting and they all knew a tantrum was coming. This has been the most secure election...
https://www.forexfactory.com/news/1043477-trump-will-give-up-power-if-electoral-college#post13284990
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  • Nov 27, 2020 10:18am Nov 27, 2020 10:18am
Banning this again??? LOL

#DiaperDon on twitter a national threat......claimed by donald.

This is all over the news, what's wrong FF? IT's not fake news
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  • Nov 27, 2020 10:40am Nov 27, 2020 10:40am
Some interesting sites: https://djtrumplibrary.com/

and

https://donaldjtrump2024.com/
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Quoting HudithePfupf
Hidden
It's interesting that you now mention "Projection" after I have mentioned it some time ago.
This is progress. You are starting to peek thru the fog ..
De-programming is still possible.
The projection is from the left. They do something shity and blame Trump (like the riots ... )
The Democrats always project onto Republicans the things they're guilty of doing. This is not new, but the frenzy and insanity has been quite high in the last few years
If you can figure out the real face of Retail Forex, you can figure this out. It's not that difficult.
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Mingary.... this is your cult leader. Sorry. Dumb as a rock.
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More than 22000 proven false claims and lies since he took office.
Ojective truth exists and it matters! You lie like your boss - day in day out.
How many of the 22000 lies have you propagated hear on FF or elsewhere?
How do you feel to be part of the fake news network of a pathological liar and loser?

The FBI should start an investigation into the fake news machinery that brainwashes Dumpy cult members. To create the information bubble and keep it alive you need professionals. Certainly not just some idots tweeting and trolling from their mom's basement. North Macedonia and the Philippines are known to have fake news farms where you can buy propaganda and manipulate clicks, tweet rating, etc. etc. You can buy robot farms that levarage the whole thing. They work like you through VPN servers distributed all around the world on fake accounts to hide their tracks.

You can hype everthing from trash pop videos on youtube to be lifted up to the top ranks, to crypto currencies that are worthless crap, fake medicine, fake nutrition supplements, multi level marketing schemes, fake politicans, even fake presidents......etc. etc. The biggest scum on the internet is using such services. MAGA does for sure.

The interesting thing is that you need it mainly to create the first fake inital momentum. Then the network effect is multiplying the whole thing to a level where so many real idots have been reached and programmed that it sustains itself till the whole fake burst like a stock market or housing bubble.

Stop the lying Mingary, just stop it.
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  • Nov 27, 2020 3:40pm Nov 27, 2020 3:40pm
US Supreme Court could certainly discard Trump campaign lawsuit.
What that means however is that they would be Validating a Fraudulent vote.
US did not elect Joe Biden with Legal votes but by Ballot stuffing.
If Joe Biden won with 80 million ballots how come it is reported that only 1,000 viewers watched his Thanksgiving Day address.

Joe Biden would be President by edict alone. Certainly not by Will of the People. Under that kind of circumstance he can not Govern legitimately only by deploying coercion. Thus a Biden presidency is doomed from the start.
Lower courts such as Court of Appeals must rule based upon mechanics of Law and existing Case Law.

US Supreme Court is supposed to have a sense of Justice underlying their decisions and that is what must decide Election outcome. It is going to end up in Congress which is how Founders wanted the Political process to determine elections.
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  • Nov 27, 2020 4:11pm Nov 27, 2020 4:11pm
Quoting HudithePfupf
Mingary.... this is your cult leader. Sorry. Dumb as a rock. {image} More than 22000 proven false claims and lies since he took office. Ojective truth exists and it matters! You lie like your boss - day in day out. How many of the 22000 lies have you propagated hear on FF or elsewhere? How do you feel to be part of the fake news network of a pathological liar and loser? The FBI should start an investigation into the fake news machinery that brainwashes Dumpy cult members. To create the information bubble and keep it alive you need professionals....
Unfortunately triumphism had affected FF moderators too, sad days. But am happy looking forward to the next few years with some peace, one hope.
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Its OVER.
/EndOf.

Biden is going to be the 46th President of the USA. Its done and dusted.
Because some guys here on this little niche website forum have a hissy fit about it and cant accept that or allege the FF forum monitors are biased.. matters not a wit.

Traders and investors want to IGNORE the noise these folk are generating here and in the media, in their frustration and disappointment now and concentrate on the policy landscape after 20th January and accession and impact of the new administration on their 2021 trading and investment strategies.
Time to move on..Please.
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  • Nov 27, 2020 4:29pm Nov 27, 2020 4:29pm
Quoting HudithePfupf
..Stop the lying Mingary, just stop it...
Be easier to ask him to stop breathing
Its what he does best.
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  • Nov 27, 2020 6:32pm Nov 27, 2020 6:32pm
This is just getting toooooo easy.
State Senator from Pennsylvania Doug Mastriano posted and was retweeted by Donald J. Trump

"This was posted on our Department of State dashboard but had since been deleted.

Pennsylvania official votes(@11/24 8PM

Candidate_______Election_____________Mail________________Provision
Donald J. Trump__2,821,610_________ 594,645 ______________49,323

Joseph R. Biden__1,408,564________1,994,597 ______________52,847

Grand Total_____4,230,174________2,589,242______________102,170

Pennsylvania reports having mailed out 1,823,148
ballots, of which 1,462,302 were returned. Yet total
mail-in votes number 2,589,242?
From where did the extra 2,589,242-1,462,302=1,126,940 votes
come? "
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  • Nov 27, 2020 8:44pm Nov 27, 2020 8:44pm
Quoting foto
This is just getting toooooo easy. State Senator from Pennsylvania Doug Mastriano posted and was retweeted by Donald J. Trump "This was posted on our Department of State dashboard but had since been deleted. Pennsylvania official votes(@11/24 8PM Candidate_______Election_____________Mail________________Provision Donald J. Trump__2,821,610_________ 594,645 ______________49,323 Joseph R. Biden__1,408,564________1,994,597 ______________52,847 Grand Total_____4,230,174________2,589,242______________102,170 Pennsylvania reports having mailed out...
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This Thursday, a member of the deep state (a tiny desk) shamelessly undermined and embarrassed Trump.
Sources say, chairs, lamps and carpets are now suspects in joining the effort to embarrass Trump as well.
Court papers have been filed against the desk with the district court of the wackoville county.
More furniture arrest to come.

https://mashable.com/article/donald-...-desk-twitter/
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Quoting HudithePfupf
Mingary.... this is your cult leader. Sorry. Dumb as a rock. {image} More than 22000 proven false claims and lies since he took office. Ojective truth exists and it matters! You lie like your boss - day in day out. How many of the 22000 lies have you propagated hear on FF or elsewhere? How do you feel to be part of the fake news network of a pathological liar and loser? The FBI should start an investigation into the fake news machinery that brainwashes Dumpy cult members. To create the information bubble and keep it alive you need professionals....
Enjoy the show.
While you are at the "circus" being distracting and entertained and side-tracked and lied to and mislead by everything "Orange man bad"
You are missing the real issues. I encourage you to dig deeper. Go past the distractions.
For example ..
Check out the democrats reaction to Mohsen Fakhrizadeh assassination.
This is really disturbing stuff but not surprising.
There will be some major major conflicts and unrest in the Middle-Eats and in various places
The cost was obcene but "The Establishment" is back - 4 years late - in domestic USA and will spread again throughout the world..
Enjoy your "bread and game" life sucking at the tit of the democrat-media complex.
Ignorance is bliss:
The pro-democrat US Media won the election:
https://pjmedia.com/election/tyler-o...biden-n1170347

You are the troll here. All you do is copy and paste anti trump stuff.. not very smart. At least use your own words.
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  • Nov 28, 2020 3:28am Nov 28, 2020 3:28am
Quoting Mingary
{quote} Enjoy the show. While you are at the "circus" being distracting and entertained and side-tracked and lied to and mislead by everything "Orange man bad" You are missing the real issues. I encourage you to dig deeper. Go past the distractions. For example .. Check out the democrats reaction to Mohsen Fakhrizadeh assassination. This is really disturbing stuff but not surprising. There will be some major major conflicts and unrest in the Middle-Eats and in various places The cost was obcene but "The establishment"...
For goodness sake, the FF forum does not revolve around just usa. Stop your baseless trolling and groundless accusations.

If not happy, just ask donald to take you lot to Gilligan's island and live there instead, with no internet. The brunt from you lot is simply too noisy and spamming my inbox.

How not surprise am I that FF does not moderate such instead?????? Where is that self-directed trader that claimed Twee wrote to him/her......we need your new script now!
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  • Nov 28, 2020 3:32am Nov 28, 2020 3:32am
Quoting NotBoris
{quote} For goodness sake, the FF forum does not revolve around just usa. Stop your baseless trolling and groundless accusations. If not happy, just ask donald to take you lot to Gilligan's island and live there instead, with no internet. The brunt from you lot is simply too noisy and spamming my inbox. How not surprise am I that FF does not moderate such instead?????? Where is that self-directed trader that claimed Twee wrote to him/her......we need your new script now!
Isn't your remark a bit hypocritical given the fact that all you do here is to bash the USA ?
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Quoting Mingary
{quote} Isn't your remark a bit hypocritical given the fact that all you do here is to bash the USA ?
I do not bash USA but I do bash the current usa populist administration and its trumpeters. Isn't life sometime ironical???
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Quoting foto
This is just getting toooooo easy. State Senator from Pennsylvania Doug Mastriano posted and was retweeted by Donald J. Trump "This was posted on our Department of State dashboard but had since been deleted. Pennsylvania official votes(@11/24 8PM Candidate_______Election_____________Mail________________Provision Donald J. Trump__2,821,610_________ 594,645 ______________49,323 Joseph R. Biden__1,408,564________1,994,597 ______________52,847 Grand Total_____4,230,174________2,589,242______________102,170 Pennsylvania reports having mailed out...
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/pa-mailin-votes-ballots/
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Quoting Mingary
{quote} Enjoy the show. While you are at the "circus" being distracting and entertained and side-tracked and lied to and mislead by everything "Orange man bad" You are missing the real issues. I encourage you to dig deeper. Go past the distractions. For example .. Check out the democrats reaction to Mohsen Fakhrizadeh assassination. This is really disturbing stuff but not surprising. There will be some major major conflicts and unrest in the Middle-Eats and in various places The cost was obcene but "The Establishment"...
Firstly, this is the official response to the incident from those who count atm:

The White House, Pentagon, U.S. State Department and CIA also declined to comment, as did Biden’s transition team.

There could have been something I missed but so far... Any new info or response yet?

Then there are pundits and/or ex members or affiliates of Democratic party (I'm not sure if they are all Democrats or not)with opinions as such:
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Former CIA Director John Brennan also called the assassination of Fakhrizadeh a criminal act and warned it could lead to deadly revenge and a new round of conflict in the region.

Also, Mark Fitzpatrick, director of the International Institute for Strategic Studies and a former US State Department official, on Friday said that the reason for Fakhrizadeh's assassination was not to obstruct Iran's military capabilities but to hinder diplomacy.

US Democratic Senator Chris Murphy wrote in his Twitter: "If the primary purpose of this assassination is to make it harder to restore the Iran nuclear deal; It does not make the United States, Israel and the world safer."

Robert Malley, who served as Iran adviser to Obama and has informally advised Biden’s team, said Fakhrizadeh’s killing was among a series of moves that have occurred during Trump’s final weeks that appear aimed at making it harder for Biden to re-engage with Iran.
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There could be more.


So, what is so disturbing?
No 'decision maker' has responded yet.

I don't see disturbing stuff. Just a dialogue.
It's allowed to talk about this. Right?
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Quoting TraderTero
{quote} https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/pa...votes-ballots/
No wonder they get thrown out of their court cases so frequently.
This is definitely the most failed lawsuits filed for election fraud in the history of not only USA, but the entire world.
I think that one was one of their 'mathematical' cases that they were so proud of.

I really think Trump is trying to get in the Guinness book of records.
He has this one and the most Covid and death cases in the world well secured.
There are a whole bunch more records I'm sure.
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Quoting RossEdwards
Its OVER. /EndOf. ...
I agree that Biden most likely become the 45th president, but that will not change what is brewing in open daylight since years.

Dumpy and his enablers successfully undermine the public trust in goverment, in democracy, in the rule of law, in commen sense, in science, in rational reasoning and objective truth. A strange combinatin of religous fanatics, racists, ultra capitalists, egoists or just dumb and misled people with a need for a leader has combined close to 50% of the votes. From all these groups the ultra capitalists and the egoists are the most dangerous ones. They have the brains, the money, the power and act purely on their short sighted self interests.

A awful lot of Americans do not seem to be very rational people. Religous believes and institutions are still one major reason for such behaviour, since most religions lose believers if you increase education and teach science and the methods to obtain rational truths. If somebody falls for the successful retail forex trading myth, despite all the overwelming evidence against it, he can certainly buy Trumps lies too. So no wonder to find them here on FF in large numbers.

About 40% of Americans are creationalist and still reject evolution. How can this still be the case in 2020, when every rational thinking human in a western democracy does have access to an almost unlimted amount of sound evidence that proves the concept of evolution? Why do believes still have such an important role when actually sound and hard knowledge has been gained that almost fully replaces it? Why do people still not realize that the should strenghten their knowledge and not their believes?

Well the strategy to keep believes alive is simple. Flood the world with so much nonsense, uncertainties and lies trough social media news feeds 24/7 that people switch off their brains an look for guidance from others. That is what religions do, that is what politicians do, that is what MAGA does, that is what climate change deniers do.... flood the news streams with an unlimited amount of lies and non sense and some of it will always stick.

What we see currently is not just a Trump cult phenomen. It is a pendulum that swings back from the age of enlightment back into the darkness of middle age, religous like believe systems completly decoupled from rational truths in a shockingly large part of society. Covidiots, science deniers in topics like over population or global warming, unprecedented growth in debt levels to keep the status quo at all costs for a few more decades, etc. etc.. If we change direction based on rational decision making an objective truths, we will overcome and survive these hard times with bruises, if we take decisions based on believes and lies we will fuck up epically in the long run. But this means hard work.... take on simple believes and lies that allign with your own egoistic goals and believe systems is so much easier and typically even pays off better in the short run.

At this moment in time the fuck up scenario does have a far too high probablity. So it's far from over.... this will become much worse before reality strikes back mercylessly.
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  • Nov 28, 2020 6:14am Nov 28, 2020 6:14am
Quoting OutThere
{quote} Firstly, this is the official response to the incident from those who count atm: The White House, Pentagon, U.S. State Department and CIA also declined to comment, as did Biden’s transition team. There could have been something I missed but so far... Any new info or response yet? Then there are pundits and/or ex members or affiliates of Democratic party (I'm not sure if they are all Democrats or not)with opinions as such: -------------------------------------------- Former CIA Director John Brennan also called the assassination of Fakhrizadeh...
If I compare your response to Mingary's conspiracy trolling - it's worlds apart in quality.
I hope others see that too.
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  • Nov 28, 2020 6:32am Nov 28, 2020 6:32am
There is an old sage advice been bandied about locker rooms for many a Year.
A man gets caught in Bed with his mistress by his wife. His response is, Honey it's just me here in Bed what are you talking about. An updated version, But Honey did you hear how covid cases are spiking.

Lot of similarity in these words with those denying election fraud occurred.

US Constitution grants sole power to conduct elections to State legislators. State Legislators such as in Pennsylvania will now have investigations conducted resulting from sole authority vested in them. They also are the ones who will bring suit in State and Federal courts seeking remedy in addition to agrieved parties such as Trump campaign.
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  • Nov 28, 2020 6:44am Nov 28, 2020 6:44am
Quoting TraderTero
{quote} https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/pa...votes-ballots/
Let me get this straight, head of Pennsylvania Legislators has the goods on Pennsylvania state administration data, publishes it and that is not evidence?
Well I would Bet rather heavily he also has the screenshot saved from before the data got taken down.
He also can subpoena the Data and will.

But then with people like you your first response "don't pay any attention to that man behind the screen"
Wizard of Oz was a Fraud as well.
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  • Nov 28, 2020 6:56am Nov 28, 2020 6:56am
And here some math for Mingary & Co:

Presidential Recount Information

The Wisconsin Elections Commission has ordered a partial recount of presidential election results in Dane and Milwaukee counties after receiving a recount petition and $3 million payment from the Trump campaign.

https://elections.wi.gov/elections-voting/recount

Result: So far132 more votes for Biden.

Trumps campaign paid 22727 USD per additional vote for Biden. I would call that epic losing.

The count started last Friday. Biden gained 257 votes in Milwaukee County, bringing his total to 317,527. Trump gained 125 votes, bringing his total to 134,482. Dane County’s recount will continue into the weekend.

The 132 votes net change represents an error of 0.029%. Let that sink in and compare it to all the counting fraud claims by Trump and his cronies. All lies, all falls apart if fact checked in front of recounts or judges.


And how will they react on these facts? Come further with an other bullshit lie and push it on all channels before it falls apart too. And then lie again, again, again.....and so their little fairytale ends like... "Until they haven't died yet, they will continue to happily lie forever.
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  • Nov 28, 2020 8:01am Nov 28, 2020 8:01am
Quoting foto
{quote} Let me get this straight, head of Pennsylvania Legislators has the goods on Pennsylvania state administration data, publishes it and that is not evidence? Well I would Bet rather heavily he also has the screenshot saved from before the data got taken down. He also can subpoena the Data and will. But then with people like you your first response "don't pay any attention to that man behind the screen" Wizard of Oz was a Fraud as well.
I guess you didn't even bother to read the whole article or didn't understand what you were reading. And no, it is not evidence.
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  • Nov 28, 2020 8:56am Nov 28, 2020 8:56am
Quoting TraderTero
{quote} I guess you didn't even bother to read the whole article or didn't understand what you were reading. And no, it is not evidence.
It can not be stopped. No amount of misdirection is going to do that. No amount of coverup, censoring or any other interference getting Run to protect Biden Campaign will either.
The Facts are going to be revealed and that is Reality.
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  • Nov 28, 2020 9:03am Nov 28, 2020 9:03am
Quoting foto
{quote} It can not be stopped. No amount of misdirection is going to do that. No amount of coverup, censoring or any other interference getting Run to protect Biden Campaign will either. The Facts are going to be revealed and that is Reality.
You need help..man.
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Mini desk. Tiny hands. Small souls....

Summed it all up nicely for trump and his trumpeters......

Have a rest all ye trumpeters of the fake king.
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Quoting RossEdwards
{quote} You need help..man.
Do I? Apparently Pennsylvania Legislature is moving forward right along the lines I wrote.
Let's see now, your Bullshit day after day or State legislatures empowered by US Constitution.


Hm........ You Lose.

Stick with selling Marx in Europe. Substituting State ideology for family.
We in America have something real that is worth defending at any price.
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  • Nov 28, 2020 3:28pm Nov 28, 2020 3:28pm
The Simpsons show predicted Trump's efforts at delegitimizing voters will with numerous lawsuits.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NUFHLngNEk
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  • Nov 28, 2020 6:31pm Nov 28, 2020 6:31pm
How many of Trump's babies here on FF are willing to put their money where their mouth is?
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/trump-supporter-gave-2-5m-213319448.html
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Once upon a time....
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Quoting trumps
{quote} {image}
But why did you all vote for the GOP Reps and Senators?
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  • Nov 28, 2020 6:45pm Nov 28, 2020 6:45pm
Quoting Nick.
How many of Trump's babies here on FF are willing to put their money where their mouth is? https://uk.yahoo.com/news/trump-supporter-gave-2-5m-213319448.html
Well pretty much defines a cult now doesn't it. They can literally get people to part with their money over half backed propaganda which tries to draw people to the light of righteousness.
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{quote} Well pretty much defines a cult now doesn't it. They can literally get people to part with their money over half backed propaganda which tries to draw people to the light of righteousness.
Cult followers are very good at following commands.
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Quoting RossEdwards
{quote} You need help..man.
Anybody remember Josef Stalin?
His father beat him constantly.
During school and military service he learned how to betray and manipulate the people around him.
He grew up with a dictatorship in mind and eventually became one.
As an adult he had a sexual relation with a 13 yo girl.
He wrote his hame in the history as the worse dictator and the biggest mass murder the world has seen. Over 20,000,000,000 killed by him directly or indirectly.

Even today, almost 70 years after Stalin died, not only in Russia (the former USSR), but in many other ex communist countries, people who still live they still love him and keep pictures of him on the wall and in their cars. And when people asked why do they love the man who killed everyone who didn’t agree with him, they answered “Because he was a good and a honest man”.

Scary
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  • Nov 28, 2020 8:02pm Nov 28, 2020 8:02pm
Quoting NotAtrader
{quote} Anybody remember Josef Stalin? His father beat him constantly. During school and military service he learned how to betray and manipulate the people around him. He grew up with a dictatorship in mind and eventually became one. As an adult he had a sexual relation with a 13 yo girl. He wrote his hame in the history as the worse dictator and the biggest mass murder the world has seen. Over 20,000,000,000 killed by him directly or indirectly. Even today, almost 70 years after Stalin died, not only in Russia (the former USSR), but in many other...
They have a name for this: https://www.simplypsychology.org/cognitive-dissonance.html
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  • Nov 28, 2020 8:15pm Nov 28, 2020 8:15pm
Quoting OutThere
{quote} They have a name for this: https://www.simplypsychology.org/cognitive-dissonance.html
Nice article
However I am not quite sure if this is the explanation. People in Russia/USSR had no choice as that was the only possible outcome and a reality for them as their destiny was sealed by the merciless political system in their country.
The situation in USA is not the same. People in USA have choice yet they show a sign of masochism.
I must admit I am not smart enough to understand this phenomenon.
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Quoting NotAtrader
{quote} Nice article However I am not quite sure if this is the explanation. People in Russia/USSR had no choice as that was the only possible outcome and a reality for them as their destiny was sealed by the merciless political system in their country. The situation in USA is not the same. People in USA have choice yet they show a sign of masochism. I must admit I am not smart enough to understand this phenomenon.
I think they believed that Trump was going to deliver them everything they ever wanted. But then it's over. He didn't and can't deliver those items. If he can't, no one can. This is the last chance. The overall population don't want what Trump wants. It's hard to come to that understanding. So, denial is abound until the next one comes that can give them what they wanted. Ever since the Civil War, this desire has lingered and has still not been satisfied.

Do you know that scene in Pulp Fiction when JT comes out of the bathroom? How about when “This ain’t that kind of movie” was said in Kingsman? Another one is the scene in 'No country for Old Men just after he meets the woman swimming in the hotel pool. He made a mistake and it was costly and also disappointing. Those scenes to the minds that where entrenched in those movies and those characters, weren't supposed to happen. HC had one of those moment too. We get two in a row.

Maybe that was the medecine needed for all sides. It's a balance overall. Give or take.

BTW, Stalin ruled the Soviet Union from the mid-1920s until his death in 1953. He had so much time and so much opportunity at key times to shape the society the way he wanted. This is now, 21st century with Internet and a lot has changed. 8 years isn't going to do it, let alone 4 years. Trump's claim to fame was how fast he is able to accomplish 'things'. Then the reality hit. Reality bites.
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  • Nov 28, 2020 10:57pm Nov 28, 2020 10:57pm
Quoting OutThere
{quote} Cult followers are very good at following commands. {image}
I think Giuliani is willing to accept future payments in different color hair dyes that can be wiped of the face as well.
No wonder trump set his press conference in the back of an alleyway. He was hoping nobody will show up.
He already said the lawyers are making him look bad. What professional lawyer in his right mind will take on those ridiculous lawsuits. They don't make any sense.
I think he lost 37 out of 38. Every judge they go to asked them one simple question.
Where's the proof?
Saying there was election fraud is not good enough. In a court of law, you have to provide evidence. That's how the law works.
These guys should all join the circus.
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  • Nov 28, 2020 11:27pm Nov 28, 2020 11:27pm
Quoting Nick.
{quote} I think Giuliani is willing to accept future payments in different color hair dyes that can be wiped of the face as well. No wonder trump set his press conference in the back of an alleyway. He was hoping nobody will show up. He already said the lawyers are making him look bad. What professional lawyer in his right mind will take on those ridiculous lawsuits. They don't make any sense. I think he lost 37 out of 38. Every judge they go to asked them one simple question. Where's the proof? Saying there was election...
I've lost track. Is this the 38th loss or the 39th loss? https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/us-elections-government/ny-pennsylvania-court-trump-election-20201129-qsk5jgskzrdm5nn4ubuadparju-story.html
It'd be cool if the file a total of 45 lawsuits tho.
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  • Nov 29, 2020 12:38am Nov 29, 2020 12:38am
Quoting OutThere
{quote} I've lost track. Is this the 38th loss or the 39th loss? https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/us-elections-government/ny-pennsylvania-court-trump-election-20201129-qsk5jgskzrdm5nn4ubuadparju-story.html It'd be cool if the file a total of 45 lawsuits tho.
He is certainly headed for the biggest loser and sore loser awards.
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  • Nov 29, 2020 3:11am Nov 29, 2020 3:11am
The former head of U.S. election security (you know, Klebs, the guy that Trump fired for not going with his fraud BS) has described Trump team fraud allegations 'farcical'.
When I read the nonsense being posted above by the Trump Kool-Aid Brigade its hard not to agree.
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  • Nov 29, 2020 5:31am Nov 29, 2020 5:31am
Quoting foto
{quote} Do I? Apparently Pennsylvania Legislature is moving forward right along the lines I wrote. Let's see now, your Bullshit day after day or State legislatures empowered by US Constitution. Hm........ You Lose. Stick with selling Marx in Europe. Substituting State ideology for family. We in America have something real that is worth defending at any price.
In Another Legal Blow To Trump, Pa. Supreme Court Tosses Suit Challenging Mail-In Ballots
https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/pennsylvania-supreme-court-mail-in-ballots-021808359.html
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  • Nov 29, 2020 8:46am Nov 29, 2020 8:46am
Quoting TraderTero
{quote} In Another Legal Blow To Trump, Pa. Supreme Court Tosses Suit Challenging Mail-In Ballots https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/penns...021808359.html
Pennsylvania Legislature will find that having over 1 million more mail in ballots counted then was received back as per my previous post determines that election fraud did indeed occur.
As consequence Legislature will send their own slate of electors and contest what Secretary of State had validated.
Biden will be denied Pennsylvania electors.
This scenario will most likely reoccur in other states where similar actions will be taken also by their respective legislatures.
Fraud will prove out to be systemic and election then goes to Congress where each State has one and only one vote.
Mail in Ballots will be the undoing of Biden it is only a matter of time.

Founders of US knew election Fraud was possibly to be committed in the Future and took steps to remedy should that play out.
Trump will remain in White House.
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  • Nov 29, 2020 9:46am Nov 29, 2020 9:46am
Quoting foto
{quote} Pennsylvania Legislature will find that having over 1 million more mail in ballots counted then was received back as per my previous post determines that election fraud did indeed occur. As consequence Legislature will send their own slate of electors and contest what Secretary of State had validated. Biden will be denied Pennsylvania electors. This scenario will most likely reoccur in other states where similar actions will be taken also by their respective legislatures. Fraud will prove out to be systemic and election then goes to Congress...
"Over 3 million mail-in ballots requested
The Pennsylvania Department of State's site and a tally by the U.S. Elections Project show that over 2.6 million mail-ballots were returned by the deadline in Pennsylvania.Election results as of Nov. 28 show that 1,995,691 mail-in ballots went to Biden; 595,538 mail-in ballots for Trump; and 24,783 mail-in ballots to Libertarian candidate Joe Jorgensen. That puts the total mail-in vote count at 2,616,012. Neither Biden's nor Trump's votes match the tallies in Mastriano's chart.

A total of over 6.9 million Pennsylvanians voted by mail or in person at polling locations, according to the Pennsylvania Department of State.

In a news release on Oct. 27, the deadline to apply for a mail or absentee ballot in the state, Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Wolf's office said more than 3 million voters had applied to vote by mail.

The U.S. Elections Project reports that mail ballot request rates were 1,941,131 for Democrats; 784,851 for Republicans; 25,367 for a minor party; and 336,175 for independents, putting the total number requested at 3,087,524."
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/11/28/fact-check-pennsylvania-ballot-claim-mixes-primary-general-election-data/6450032002/
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  • Nov 29, 2020 12:04pm Nov 29, 2020 12:04pm
Quoting TraderTero
{quote} "Over 3 million mail-in ballots requested The Pennsylvania Department of State's site and a tally by the U.S. Elections Project show that over 2.6 million mail-ballots were returned by the deadline in Pennsylvania.Election results as of Nov. 28 show that 1,995,691 mail-in ballots went to Biden; 595,538 mail-in ballots for Trump; and 24,783 mail-in ballots to Libertarian candidate Joe Jorgensen. That puts the total mail-in vote count at 2,616,012. Neither Biden's nor Trump's votes match the tallies in Mastriano's chart. A total of over...
Mastriano's numbers were from the Pennsylvania Department of State "Dashboard" site 11/24/20. Which then just like magic were taken down.
Guess some bright person discovered 2nd grade Math did not add up.
This will end up getting litigated.
He will have the evidence to challenge and ask question as to what occurred triggering the deletion.
Legislature will not let this slide and want verification. If it is not forthcoming then they can move on that as Secretary of State is then acting in a prejudicial manner or at best incompetent.
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  • Nov 29, 2020 12:07pm Nov 29, 2020 12:07pm
Quoting TraderTero
{quote} "Over 3 million mail-in ballots requested The Pennsylvania Department of State's site and a tally by the U.S. Elections Project show that over 2.6 million mail-ballots were returned by the deadline in Pennsylvania.Election results as of Nov. 28 show that 1,995,691 mail-in ballots went to Biden; 595,538 mail-in ballots for Trump; and 24,783 mail-in ballots to Libertarian candidate Joe Jorgensen. That puts the total mail-in vote count at 2,616,012. Neither Biden's nor Trump's votes match the tallies in Mastriano's chart. A total of over...
Our fofo friend here must definitely have a broken crystal ball Now he sees 1 million votes over 3,087,524... or whatever. And extends the prophecy over some other legislatures.. Love that pathetic ending with the Founders
Same style, lies, bs and same absurd circus show as The Desperate Loser use to entertain us over the last 4 years
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  • Nov 29, 2020 12:45pm Nov 29, 2020 12:45pm
Quoting TudorIoan
{quote} Our fofo friend here must definitely have a broken crystal ball Now he sees 1 million votes over 3,087,524... or whatever. And extends the prophecy over some other legislatures.. Love that pathetic ending with the Founders Same style, lies, bs and same absurd circus show as The Desperate Loser use to entertain us over the last 4 years
I posted the numbers that Mastriano supplied. I do not know how far Mathematics gets taught over in Europe but here this is simple adding and subtracting which is taught in 2nd grade.

The more things magically get deleted and things magically just happen to appear in Biden favor the deeper the distrust will become.
No one from Trump's aisle need make much effort to de-legitimize Joey, his people are doing a great job all by themselves.
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  • Nov 29, 2020 1:05pm Nov 29, 2020 1:05pm
Quoting foto
{quote} I posted the numbers that Mastriano supplied. I do not know how far Mathematics gets taught over in Europe but here this is simple adding and subtracting which is taught in 2nd grade. The more things magically get deleted and things magically just happen to appear in Biden favor the deeper the distrust will become. No one from Trump's aisle need make much effort to de-legitimize Joey, his people are doing a great job all by themselves.
As I just said, same lies, same style, same bullshit, same everything...
Claim: Pennsylvania recorded more mail-in votes than ballots requested...
Claimed by: Doug Mastriano
Fact check:False

Have you got more of these ? It's fun
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Quoting TudorIoan
{quote} As I just said, same lies, same style, same bullshit, same everything... Claim: Pennsylvania recorded more mail-in votes than ballots requested... Claimed by: Doug Mastriano Fact check:False Have you got more of these ? It's fun
It is on his twitter website. That he posted it is a certainty.
That it came from Pennsylvania State Dashboard, he has the screen shot.
It is there right now he has not retracted it nor amended.

2nd hand fact checking does not hold water.
With all the Fake news out there why would anyone go to a fact check site unless they were attempting to misdirect.

Why is Mastriano involved? Because he is leading the fight to regain State Legislative Authority over election process. He has already stated the Executive and Judicial branches usurped the rightful role of Legislative branch.
Resolutions calling for full investigation of election are already proposed and waiting finalizing.
Legislatures write Law not the Governor not the Secretary of State not the Court.

add: This is likely going to lead to State Legislature decertifying Secretary of State ballot certification.
Biden will be denied Pennsylvania electoral votes if they are in dispute by State Legislature. System of checks and balances in action.
It really does matter that State Legislatures are entrusted by US Constitution to having final say over election process.
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  • Nov 29, 2020 4:28pm Nov 29, 2020 4:28pm
Quoting foto
{quote} It is on his twitter website. That he posted it is a certainty. That it came from Pennsylvania State Dashboard, he has the screen shot. It is there right now he has not retracted it nor amended. 2nd hand fact checking does not hold water. With all the Fake news out there why would anyone go to a fact check site unless they were attempting to misdirect. Why is Mastriano involved? Because he is leading the fight to regain State Legislative Authority over election process. He has already stated the Executive and Judicial branches usurped the...
foto time to wake up out of your dream.
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  • Nov 29, 2020 5:08pm Nov 29, 2020 5:08pm
Quoting bohurst
{quote} foto time to wake up out of your dream.
As you make this personal, I do not normally respond to every Flake that posts.
I posted facts that will be influencing the course of events as they unfold as electoral college Dec 14 th date fast approaches.
I am wide awake others can choose to deny what is going on but I choose to take an informed approach.
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  • Nov 30, 2020 12:04am Nov 30, 2020 12:04am
Quoting foto
{quote} It is on his twitter website. That he posted it is a certainty. That it came from Pennsylvania State Dashboard, he has the screen shot. It is there right now he has not retracted it nor amended. 2nd hand fact checking does not hold water. With all the Fake news out there why would anyone go to a fact check site unless they were attempting to misdirect. Why is Mastriano involved? Because he is leading the fight to regain State Legislative Authority over election process. He has already stated the Executive and Judicial branches usurped the...
Biden now supposedly "leads" Trump 306 to 232. Okay... to begin with, for any number of reasons, it's an almost certainty that the PA legislature WILL remove their 20 EVs from Biden's column. And even if they didn't, the Supreme Court will eventually do that (they've already signaled as much in an earlier ruling). Then we have Georgia (with their 16 EVs)? That one is gonna be a HUGE mess, which will almost certainly lead to criminal charges. And this one's gonna be even more interesting than PA, because we'll actually be able to WATCH the fraud with our own eyes. So PA and GA together have 36 EVs. Take those away from Joe and he has exactly 270. Sure he still "wins" with that number... BUT Don then needs any one of the several other states in contention. Can he do it? Well, if this "Dominion" thing turns out to be true, he'll probably wind up with ALL the contested states. But even if not, can he take just ONE of the others? Stay tuned...

(Oh, and by the way, if Biden were at 270 he couldn't afford to lose even ONE EV, or he'd be under 270, which would send it to the House, where Trump would win. So Joe better hope there's not even ONE single "faithless elector" out there.)
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Sweet dreams
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  • Nov 30, 2020 2:29am Nov 30, 2020 2:29am
Quoting foto
{quote} It is on his twitter website. That he posted it is a certainty. That it came from Pennsylvania State Dashboard, he has the screen shot. It is there right now he has not retracted it nor amended. 2nd hand fact checking does not hold water. With all the Fake news out there why would anyone go to a fact check site unless they were attempting to misdirect. Why is Mastriano involved? Because he is leading the fight to regain State Legislative Authority over election process. He has already stated the Executive and Judicial branches usurped the...
Nope. Mastriano's false. The screen shot wasn't final. The later check proved it false.
Alright buddy, I don't trust your sources you don't trust mine. No big deal.
But one true fact stays. Trump lost.
And your moan is pathetic.
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Quoting TudorIoan
{quote} Nope. Mastriano's false. The screen shot wasn't final. The later check proved it false. Alright buddy, I don't trust your sources you don't trust mine. No big deal. But one true fact stays. Trump lost. And your moan is pathetic.
Since his screenshot has not come down then there is every reason to believe Pennsylvania Legislature is moving forward towards decertifying Secretary of State decision.
If they do act then there will be other States doing the same in short order. It may well start in some other State as well.
That is a major blow to biden as it will put election into Congress as neither candidate would have enough electoral votes.

A man who sprains an ankle playing with his Dog should not be in White House. No place for Frail Old Men.
Time to take up raising Tomatoes Joey. Time to concede Joe.
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  • Nov 30, 2020 3:58am Nov 30, 2020 3:58am
Quoting foto
{quote} A man who sprains an ankle playing with his Dog should not be in White House. No place for Frail Old Men. Time to take up raising...
Actually, this is the reason he hurt his foot. He shuda taken it easy on Trump.
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  • Nov 30, 2020 4:01am Nov 30, 2020 4:01am
Quoting foto
{quote} Since his screenshot has not come down then there is every reason to believe Pennsylvania Legislature is moving forward towards decertifying Secretary of State decision. If they do act then there will be other States doing the same in short order. It may well start in some other State as well. That is a major blow to biden as it will put election into Congress as neither candidate would have enough electoral votes. A man who sprains an ankle playing with his Dog should not be in White House. No place for Frail Old Men. Time to take up raising...
A man who is not a man enough to admit his loss should not be in the White House.
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  • Nov 30, 2020 4:14am Nov 30, 2020 4:14am
Quoting foto
{quote} Since his screenshot has not come down then there is every reason to believe Pennsylvania Legislature is moving forward towards decertifying Secretary of State decision. If they do act then there will be other States doing the same in short order. It may well start in some other State as well. That is a major blow to biden as it will put election into Congress as neither candidate would have enough electoral votes. A man who sprains an ankle playing with his Dog should not be in White House. No place for Frail Old Men. Time to take up raising...
I wish I could give more than one thumbs up my friend.
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Quoting foto
{quote} Since his screenshot has not come down then there is every reason to believe Pennsylvania Legislature is moving forward towards decertifying Secretary of State decision. If they do act then there will be other States doing the same in short order. It may well start in some other State as well. That is a major blow to biden as it will put election into Congress as neither candidate would have enough electoral votes. A man who sprains an ankle playing with his Dog should not be in White House. No place for Frail Old Men. Time to take up raising...
Come on, what is this ? Common fallacy ?
You start from an improbable premise to fabricate an "every reason to believe". You must be really desperate to bring up decertifying. I seeeee, your whole case depends on it.

"No place for Frail Old Men" ? What is this ? Gerontophobia ? Big White Daddy would be proud to extend xenophobia and racism higher, the next level, fresh perespectives ...is that covid good enough for you against the Frail Old Man kind ?
Or the POTUS need to show up in the arena at the Olympics ???

Sometimes I like your logic but this is disqualifying, buddy !
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Quoting TudorIoan
{quote} Come on, what is this ? Common fallacy ? You start from an improbable premise to fabricate an "every reason to believe". You must be really desperate to bring up decertifying. I seeeee, your whole case depends on it. "No place for Frail Old Men" ? What is this ? Gerontophobia ? Big White Daddy would be proud to extend xenophobia and racism to higher next level fresh perespectives ...is that covid good enough for you against the Frail Old Man kind ? Or the POTUS...
You won't believe how desperate they are. There must be big money riding on Trump winning that they are willing to side up with Russia and hack the government records. It takes money to make money. https://www.zerohedge.com/political/former-overstock-ceo-paying-team-hackers-and-cybersleuths-prove-trump-won-election
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The "Establishment" is back.
Let's get back on track flooding the world with nonsense, uncertainties, fear and lies.

lot's of catching up to do since 2016 ...
So let's begin ..

Expect unrests and conflicts worldwide now that the "Obama regime" is back

We have not passed Biden's inauguration as president January 20 and already some major news ..

1) Mohsen Fakhrizadeh
2)
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...leaves-42-dead

... the list will get longer..
Welcome back to the "old normal"
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  • Nov 30, 2020 5:13am Nov 30, 2020 5:13am
Immature rebel teens are back!
All they have is just a screenshot !!!!!!!!!
And they hang on it, and cry, and moan, and argue...
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Quoting Mingary
The "Establishment" is back. Let's get back on track flooding the world with nonsense, uncertainties, fear and lies. lot's of catching up to do since 2016 ... So let's begin .. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...leaves-42-dead
Good. Both Trump and your hacker buddies should spend their time and money towards bringing peace to the world instead of chasing their own tails. Then in a few weeks, after Biden's inauguration, it's going to be all Biden's problem. He's putting a great team together instead of sabotaging his own country. Looking forward to some real work getting done.

BTW, the incident in your link happened during Trump's watch and has been all along. So shameful of you and your president to let terrorists flourish like that. Taliban, ISIS, Boko Haram and Al-Qaida and more have all regrouped and are strong again thanks to Trump's negligence. Biden is going to have his work cut out for him trying to fix what has been neglected in the last 4 years.
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Lets see what Trump Has done about Africa in his 4 years.

Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham was quite right when he told Secretary of Defense Mark Esper last weekend that there would be consequences if the Trump administration withdrew American forces from some of the most dangerous territories of Africa. NBC News reported that Graham told Esper he could “make your life hell” if President Donald Trump went through with his plan to effectively eviscerate Africom, the U.S. joint command for Africa, and effectively shutter the world’s largest drone base in the nation of Niger. https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinio...ng-ncna1140026



He has withdrawn from international problems. Even his poppy dog is telling him to not screw this up but who is listening?
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Quoting TudorIoan
Immature rebel teens are back! All they have is just a screenshot !!!!!!!!! And they hang on it, and cry, and moan, and argue...
Woah, look at that ! I got that real screenshot !
Proof, evidence, yeah ! Mastriano fake it !!!
Just compare it ! Left is Mastriano's fake. To the right, the "real" one.
1,823,148 mailed out, 1,462,302 returned !

And I'm just a fkn amateur working 10 minutes in a fkn primitive software
Imagine what those rebelion guys can do with high performance software

So again, this is all you've got, a screenshot ???
Anyone can have a different version of it !!!
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[quote=TudorIoan;13288155]{quote} Woah, look at that ! I got that real screenshot ! Proof, evidence, yeah ! Mastriano fake it !!! Just compare it ! Left is Mastriano's fake. To the right, the "real" one.


First the supreme court, then the congress, the Congres still has outstanding votes,
Trump is winning,
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There is fake news, fake elections and fake health candidates.

Ignore Pennsylvania or other state legislative bodies using your fake minds if you want to.

By the way it is reported by a former General that US Special forces did indeed seize servers in Germany and there was US military fatality as consequence.
No one Games the US military.
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First the supreme court, then the congress, the Congres still has outstanding votes, Trump is winning, {image}
Thank God, all democrats in the House and Senat would be really scary.
I'm still a "righty" but not so extreme as the Trump-army
Let Trump go guys, you're harming the GOP !
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Quoting foto
There is fake news, fake elections and fake health candidates. Ignore Pennsylvania or other state legislative bodies using your fake minds if you want to.
No, you are fake, your sources are fake, your leader is a fake now ...your twisted mind is real though
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  • Nov 30, 2020 6:58am Nov 30, 2020 6:58am
It is all in Public Venue just there are quite a Few just too ignorant to be able and understand what is being put into place.
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Quoting foto
It is all in Public Venue just there are quite a Few just too ignorant to be able and understand what is being put into place.
You hope to turn the world upside down starting with a liar and a screenshot.
It's absurd !
You are blind facing the evidence. Typical fanatic. Sorry to call you like that. Because you are not that stupid.
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Quoting TudorIoan
{quote} Thank God, all democrats in the House and Senat would be really scary. I'm still a "righty" but not so extreme as the Trump-army Let Trump go guys, you're harming the GOP!
Help me to understand please, folks
The GOP, Is that more important than the constitution, I am Australian, but still wish to learn.
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Quoting TudorIoan
{quote} Woah, look at that ! I got that real screenshot ! Proof, evidence, yeah ! Mastriano fake it !!! Just compare it ! Left is Mastriano's fake. To the right, the "real" one. 1,823,148 mailed out, 1,462,302 returned ! And I'm just a fkn amateur working 10 minutes in a fkn primitive software Imagine what those rebelion guys can do with high performance software So again, this is all you've got, a screenshot ??? Anyone can have a different version of it !!! ...
The issue with Mastriano's image is that PA does not report mailing out 1,823,148 in total, instead they report officially mailing out 3 million.
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{quote} Help me to understand please, folks Is the GOP Is more important than the constitution, I am Australian, but still wish to learn.
Nobody said that the GOP is more important than constitution.
It's just that the Trump's claims are not strongly founded.
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{quote} The issue with Mastriano's image is that PA does not report mailing out 1,823,148 in total, instead they report officially mailing out 3 million.
Mastriano's image (comment) says PA reports having mail out 1,823,148 ballots of which 1,462,302 were returned.
...Figures don't matter anyway. My point was that a screenshot means NOTHING.
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Quoting TudorIoan
{quote} Nobody said that the GOP is more important than constitution. It's just that the Trump's claims are not strongly founded.
I will agree with you there T,
but Trump still has an ace up his sleeve,
Does Sydney Powell have something we don't see, she stricks me as a very formidable lady, someone not to be messed with IMHO.

And the constitution should not be lost in this mess either IMHO
IT NEEDS TO BE LOOK AT.
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  • Nov 30, 2020 7:28am Nov 30, 2020 7:28am
Quoting Dingoman-two
{quote} I will agree with you there T, but Trump still has an ace up his sleeve, Does Sydney Powell have something we don't see, she sticks me as a very formidable lady, someone not to be messed with IMHO.
We shouldn't just rely on the impression Sydney Powell gives us. Stake is too big.
I mean it could be just smoke and mirrors (screens), ham's work...
But we'll see

Constitution is alright, don't worry. The problem is the facts you consider they cross the constitution.
And those facts don't seem to be real enough to prove a fraud.
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  • Nov 30, 2020 7:29am Nov 30, 2020 7:29am
Quoting foto
It is all in Public Venue just there are quite a Few just too ignorant to be able and understand what is being put into place.

And what's at risk foto, and that is the electoral system appears to be broken me tinks
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  • Nov 30, 2020 7:54am Nov 30, 2020 7:54am
Quoting TudorIoan
{quote} We shouldn't just rely on the impression Sydney Powell gives us. Stake is too big. I mean it could be just smoke and mirrors (screens), ham's work... But we'll see Constitution is alright, don't worry. The problem is the facts you consider they cross the constitution. And those facts don't seem to be real enough to prove a fraud.

Mr. T,
You had me there for a while,
but I see too many unanswered questions, my friend,
And these questions are not being answered,
So it could be the same for many others as well,
Do you think this could be the real problem here?
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{quote} Mr. T, You had me there for a while, but I see too many unanswered questions, my friend, And these questions are not being answered, So it could be the same for many others as well, Do you think this could be the real problem here?
It's a great thing we can discuss freely about those things here, no problem with that. And I also wish that to help us in our trading, not only to hurt persons here.
Of course it's just a matter of time until those questions will be answered.

In my opinion it would be also great to consider only reasonable sources and facts and use common sense.
That's harder than it seems but we can try
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Ken Starr on whether he believes President Trump has a path to victory:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/ken-starr-whether-believes-president-162709491.html
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  • Nov 30, 2020 8:40am Nov 30, 2020 8:40am
Quoting Dingoman-two
{quote} And what's at risk foto, and that is the electoral system appears to be broken me tinks
My read on it is that Trump wishes to keep this in the Political realm and as such is holding back on lowering the Boom.
Electoral system is not broken and going to Congress is the Constitutional method of resolving situations such as this when Fraud is so rampant.
The tip off will be what State Legislatures do in the near future. If as has been said Servers are in Friendly hands then in all likelihood they have been analyzed.
There may well be other approaches in the works, but what I outlined is something readily available to follow.

add: My best guess is elements in CIA and possibly other agencies are involved in the ongoing Coup attempt in US.
This statement will naturally bring out the Howls of disbelief but never has there been such a concerted effort to overturn an election as has been the case since 2016. This is more then just Politics.
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Quoting foto
{quote} My read on it is that Trump wishes to keep this in the Political realm and as such is holding back on lowering the Boom. Electoral system is not broken and going to Congress is the Constitutional method of resolving situations such as this when Fraud is so rampant. The tip off will be what State Legislatures do in the near future. If as has been said Servers are in Friendly hands then in all likelihood they have been analyzed. There may well be other approaches in the works, but what I outlined is something readily available to follow.
Correction, fraud in this case is not rampant
"Friendly hands" means you still count on subjective analysis... boy, you're hopeless !

Oh, I heard the masons are involved too
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[quote=Dingoman-two;13288200][quote=TudorIoan;13288155]{quote} Woah, look at that ! I got that real screenshot ! Proof, evidence, yeah ! Mastriano fake it !!! Just compare it ! Left is Mastriano's fake. To the right, the "real" one.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...tions-opinions
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Quoting TudorIoan
{quote} Woah, look at that ! I got that real screenshot ! Proof, evidence, yeah ! Mastriano fake it !!! Just compare it ! Left is Mastriano's fake. To the right, the "real" one. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...tions-opinions {image}

The truth is what we all seek
https://youtu.be/QfC2T7UpxkI
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[quote=Dingoman-two;13288938][quote=Dingoman-two;13288750]
Quoting Dingoman-two
{quote} The truth is what we all seek https://youtu.be/QfC2T7UpxkI
The problem for you is - the TRUTH was already out but you refused to look at it with a proper working brain but rather what you believed in, rooted deep into the brain.

A cold reboot is required......
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[quote=Dingoman-two;13288938][quote=Dingoman-two;13288750]
Quoting Dingoman-two
{quote} The truth is what we all seek https://youtu.be/QfC2T7UpxkI
Credentialed witnesses have been very compelling.
Chain of custody issues, security vulnerabilities to outside influences, Supranational access, Dominion manual explaining how to do it, Legislature will be going further with this investigation.
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Same security vulnerabilities to outside influences and other stuff were there when Trump has been elected in 2016. That was a massive fraud then But The Big White Hog just got away with it ...because no sharp trumpets claiming false allegations of fraud and no fake screenshots
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Quoting TudorIoan
Same security vulnerabilities to outside influences and other stuff were there when Trump has been elected in 2016. That was a massive fraud then But The Big White Hog just got away with it ...because no sharp trumpets claiming false allegations of fraud and no fake screenshots
Yes we all know.
Watch the spinning spiral and keep repeating, do not let facts interfere with the narrative.
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Quoting foto
{quote} Yes we all know. Watch the spinning spiral and keep repeating, do not let facts interfere with the narrative.
Heheheh, even if The Hog will get away with it this time too, you guys are the street mob having ethics twisted in your brain Trump is just a closed minded villain, but if the half of the dumb crowd cheer for his populist shit show and they do that when the proud guys and the clan sound the trumpet you will call that "democracy"
Zero VALUE, just NUMBERS
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What is wet, salty and smells like a big Mac and coke?
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When he said “win so much, you’re going to be sick and tired of winning”, who knew he was talking to Biden's supporters. For once, the man was right!
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Quoting Dingoman-two
{quote} Credentialed witnesses have been very compelling. Chain of custody issues, security vulnerabilities to outside influences, Supranational access, Dominion manual explaining how to do it, Legislature will be going further with this investigation.
We all can hope that this will be the case, my friend.
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Dip dip dip dippity doo dah

https://news.gallup.com/poll/326885/...rump-dips.aspx

People know who the boss is.
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The evidence is getting out folks
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{quote} Good. Both Trump and your hacker buddies should spend their time and money towards bringing peace to the world instead of chasing their own tails. Then in a few weeks, after Biden's inauguration, it's going to be all Biden's problem. He's putting a great team together instead of sabotaging his own country. Looking forward to some real work getting done. BTW, the incident in your link happened during Trump's watch and has been all along. So shameful of you and your president to let terrorists flourish like that. Taliban, ISIS, Boko Haram...
you are projecting again, how amusing ..


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{quote} you are projecting again, how amusing .. {image}
What do you mean I am projecting?
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{quote} What do you mean I am projecting? {image}
Boston Herald
PUBLISHED: May 25, 2019 at 7:33 p.m. | UPDATED: May 26, 2019 at 5:51 a.m.
What we have with the Democrats right now is a textbook case of psychological projection — they are accusing Donald Trump of every dirty, illegal trick they themselves have been employing, first to fix the 2016 presidential election, and then, when that failed, to destroy his presidency.
“Psychological projection,” the internet says, “is a defense mechanism people subconsciously employ in order to cope with difficult feelings or emotion.”
Like, for instance, rage about losing the 2016 presidential election fair and square.
“(It) involves projecting undesirable feelings or emotions onto someone else, rather than admitting to or dealing with the unwanted feelings.”


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So, no idea what I'm projecting?
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