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Whether you like him or not, Trump has every right to challenge the results of this election. And Americans have a right to a Fair Election!
Quoting here2there
Whether you like him or not, Trump has every right to challenge the results of this election. And Americans have a right to a Fair Election!
Lies after lies came out of this man , and you still believe him ? It's only rigged if he lost the election .
https://video.foxnews.com/v/6208201476001
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Quoting asking
{quote} ... It's only rigged if he lost the election .
That's not what the evidence is showing.
The courts need to have the power to force an investigation and correct any fraudulent activity, I've been watching these elections for decades and I've never seen such strange activity like this. Looking from afar watch the live feed some really strange stuff was going on once Florida and Texas went. Up until that point it was like any other US election coverage. The number of votes left were anywhere from 6-10% (except Pennsylvania and one other rural state) where Trump was leading Biden by up to 2.5% spread overall, the counts stopped then re-started then flipped to Biden. I couldn't believe my eyes to be honest it just seemed there was interference from somewhere it was like V bottom bounce reversal. The reality to us it doesn't matter who is US president but to Americans I'm sure there are a lot that are angry, there are some that think what is the point in voting anymore.
It is interesting how the sitting president who has the backing of the senate and DOJ is complaining about election fraud. That should be something he should be able to handle (the democratic House only deals with budgeting and impeachment). "This election is different" is because it is the first modern-day election during a pandemic ==> mail-in voting. I find it interesting that people are shocked by the fact mail-in voting swayed democratic when it is a democratic sentiment that the pandemic is a big deal so they are less likely to risk going out to the polls. I find it interesting that there are complaints at the length of time it took to count the vote when there was record turnout and states were not allowed to count the vote until the election.

What this means for trading is that the Trump Administration will not focus on stimulus for the last 2 months which can turn out to be detrimental to equity markets, as he is preoccupied with this and bringing Obamacare to the supreme court while the pandemic runs rampant throughout the country.

A not so important note: I am a republican, this is how I objectively see these events.
Quoting blackwidowfx
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Nobody is arrested, Joe is already speaking with world leaders and is recognized as the CURRENT president of the USA, next month he leads the G7 on behalf of the US, if Trump is there he will be kicked out. Biden days.
He degraded the function of president so much.
People used to look at presidents with respect and admiration even if you don't agree with them.
Trump showed the world that you can be president while being a complete retard
Quoting tylerbose
He degraded the function of president so much. People used to look at presidents with respect and admiration even if you don't agree with them. Trump showed the world that you can be president while being a complete retard
USA presidents are elected to serve USA, not to speak cool what the world wants to hear. The fact that the USA has not started any new war under Trump is a big accomplishment. Last time Biden was in high office american and others were being decapitated in the middle east. That really showed no respect to the USA presidency. You and many more may not like Trump's approach but the fact is the previous ones failed miserably over and over again.
February 1988 Joe Biden suffered two Brain aneurysms which he supposedly recovered from.
Not a mention in the Campaign for public consumption about this.
He is now somewhat Older since 1988.
This of course in todays jargon would not be treated as a fit to serve omission or intentional oversight or
Lying by omission.

For those with some knowledge about what a Brain aneurysm is knows they can be quite fatal virtually instantly.
Anyone want to make the case that age is not a factor affecting Health?
Biden was put in charge of taking care of the middle class during Obama's presidency. He failed to help us! We are worse off than we have ever been. What makes people think this clown can do any better as President?
Quoting TogamiTrader
It is interesting how the sitting president who has the backing of the senate and DOJ is complaining about election fraud. That should be something he should be able to handle (the democratic House only deals with budgeting and impeachment). "This election is different" is because it is the first modern-day election during a pandemic ==> mail-in voting. I find it interesting that people are shocked by the fact mail-in voting swayed democratic when it is a democratic sentiment that the pandemic is a big deal so they are less likely to...
Very good points. Also, Republicans are good people. Over here on FF, these are not republicans only trumpists and disinformed conspiracy theorists.
They have their minds made up and nothing is going to brake that spell unless you take them out of their social media environment entirely for about three months. They are subjects of disinformation campaigns. Their social media is inundated with this kind of crap because it's what they prefer. The algorithms are pushing what they want to see to keep them engaged. They have given up trying to do the proper research because everywhere they turn
all their baseless claims are being challenged so they retrace back into their cozy misinformed feel-good bubbles rather than dealing with the uncomfortable truth.
Most of the posts here are correct. Trump stopped most of the US funded aggression round the world in the name of peace. Biden is certainly not the guy in charge he is just a puppet, put in a position where he will be controlled to do the bidding of the real power controllers in the US government.

I can't believe in the whole of America there are only these two clowns to pick from... Anyone can see the electoral system is a joke.

Ok folks you can either have a geriatric old white bloke that loves himself or you can have a geriatric old white bloke that can't remember his own name. You choose.
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Quoting Hurst
Most of the posts here are correct. Trump stopped most of the US funded aggression round the world in the name of peace. Biden is certainly not the guy in charge he is just a puppet, put in a position where he will be controlled to do the bidding of the real power controllers in the US government. I can't believe in the whole of America there are only these two clowns to pick from... Anyone can see the electoral system is a joke. Ok folks you can either have a geriatric old white bloke that loves himself or you can have a geriatric old white bloke...
Here is someone who is spot on folks,
A MUST WATCH
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Quoting Hurst
Most of the posts here are correct. Trump stopped most of the US funded aggression round the world in the name of peace. Biden is certainly not the guy in charge he is just a puppet, put in a position where he will be controlled to do the bidding of the real power controllers in the US government. I can't believe in the whole of America there are only these two clowns to pick from... Anyone can see the electoral system is a joke. Ok folks you can either have a geriatric old white bloke that loves himself or you can have a geriatric old white bloke...
With regards to the USA having strong viable candidates. Who wants to run against a 2 year old. Go up and stage and have him go na na na na na naaaa to you for 1.5 hours? Who the hell wants to go into that pile of dung. Have an entire internal Trump army attacking every single family member you have. Have an entire news organzation attack your family at whatever joe public says he saw. Or what someone who told someone who told someone about your family plastered all over that channel.

Who the hell would jump in that ring? Only someone who really cared about your country I imagine. And was willing to sacrifice their personal life to an extreme. But that is why no one would want to bother.

As for this vote count. Its mathematics and probabilities. We as traders work in probabilities. Or should. To think there is a chance Trump can win here just shows who the good traders are from the ones that are not. Because this is math and probabilities. Trump has lost. Count the votes, go to court you have that right for sure but logic and common sense would say its not going to bring about any change.
Quoting Hurst
Most of the posts here are correct. Trump stopped most of the US funded aggression round the world in the name of peace. Biden is certainly not the guy in charge he is just a puppet, put in a position where he will be controlled to do the bidding of the real power controllers in the US government. I can't believe in the whole of America there are only these two clowns to pick from... Anyone can see the electoral system is a joke. Ok folks you can either have a geriatric old white bloke that loves himself or you can have a geriatric old white bloke...
Nah, see you're asking the wrong question. That choice its already been made.
The right question now is;
Is he gonna eventually accept the result gracefully like a gentleman and encourage his supporters to do the same or is he gonna keep embarrassing himself by hiding and being a sore loser in front of the world stage and encouraging his supporters to be the same?
I'll answer that question for you.
He will not! No matter how many times they recount or how many times he's lawsuits will fail to provide proof.
And again for those who can't see what he's doing. This is not about a recount or fraud or any of these baseless accusations. This is him throwing a tantrum. Yes, like a little spoiled brat.
Quoting Dingoman-two
{quote} Here is someone who is spot on folks, https://youtu.be/w4bkSGhaq94
First of all this bullshit about the lowest unemployment in history is just that. Bullshit. Go look up US unemployment in the 1950's and 60's. Its lower than it is today. Its a fucking fact alright. Stop with this bullshit about how great this guy has been. Obama also had higher job growth than Trump post the financial crisis.

Second to say that there is some global conspiracy amongst news organizations to not look into these stories of Hunter Biden is just over the top. No investigative reporter on the planet wants to get a pulitzer prize for finding out this tangled web of corruption and deceit that goes to the highest of offices on the planet. Everyone is covering this up so Joe can win?

And skynews au is simply just another Rupert Murdoch production feeding the conservative is in Australia exactly what they want to hear as well.

But lets be real clear and I mean real clear. This bullshit about the best and the greatest etc is not real. You have a "journalist" on this video who is paid and a professional and he doesn't know or want to investigate that the lowest us unemployment was NOT during Trumps admin. Get that fucking straight because I am quite tired of people spitting this bullshit out.

Much like Trump has been the toughest on Russia. Like Ronald Reagan who actually got the Soviet Union to fall was weaker than Trump? I mean it is just fucking nuts.

https://www.google.ca/search?source=...k1.6papbRZcz5o
Quoting enarco
{quote} With regards to the USA having strong viable candidates. Who wants to run against a 2 year old. Go up and stage and have him go na na na na na naaaa to you for 1.5 hours? Who the hell wants to go into that pile of dung. Have an entire internal Trump army attacking every single family member you have. Have an entire news organzation attack your family at whatever joe public says he saw. Or what someone who told someone who told someone about your family plastered all over that channel. Who the hell would jump in that ring? Only someone who...
It truly feels like beating a dead horse with these guys.
Quoting Nick.
{quote} It truly feels like beating a dead horse with these guys.
Its ok It reminds me of stock message boards where people fall in love with some piece of shit company penny stock. They band together to believe the unbelievable. They are going to lose money, but of course in their minds not until they sell, but they will lose eventually.
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Quoting enarco
{quote} First of all this bullshit about the lowest unemployment in history is just that. Bullshit. Go look up US unemployment in the 1950's and 60's. Its lower than it is today. Its a fucking fact alright. Stop with this bullshit about how great this guy has been. Obama also had higher job growth than Trump post the financial crisis. Second to say that there is some global conspiracy amongst news organizations to not look into these stories of Hunter Biden is just over the top. No investigative reporter on the planet wants to get a pulitzer prize...

I find it simply amazing how Alan Jones gets such reactions to his un-bias views.

Plus you are relying on data 60/70 years old and way fewer people back then,
why don't you look at the population growth over these same 60/70 years, lets see what you get. ????
Quoting enarco
{quote} First of all this bullshit about the lowest unemployment in history is just that. Bullshit. Go look up US unemployment in the 1950's and 60's. Its lower than it is today. Its a fucking fact alright. Stop with this bullshit about how great this guy has been. Obama also had higher job growth than Trump post the financial crisis. Second to say that there is some global conspiracy amongst news organizations to not look into these stories of Hunter Biden is just over the top. No investigative reporter on the planet wants to get a pulitzer prize...
Oh, don't even get me started on that. Obama took the 10 percent unemployment from Bush down to 4.2 and trump took it from 4.2 to 3.7 at the expense of the country debt and deficit. Obama left the deficit at 660 billion and trump with all his tariff talk took it to 2 trillion before the virus. Now is at 3.2 trillion. Four more years and this guy would have bankrupt the county.
Quoting Dingoman-two
{quote} Here is someone who is spot on folks, A MUST WATCH https://youtu.be/w4bkSGhaq94
He can't even accept the number that's on the screen. He said that Biden got 75 million when the number clearly says more than 76 million.
No! Absolutely not this pric is being biased. This is what I mean! These people are so blind by disinformation that can't even see straight anymore.
2020 truly is the year when truth died.
Quoting enarco
{quote} With regards to the USA having strong viable candidates. Who wants to run against a 2 year old. Go up and stage and have him go na na na na na naaaa to you for 1.5 hours? Who the hell wants to go into that pile of dung. Have an entire internal Trump army attacking every single family member you have. Have an entire news organzation attack your family at whatever joe public says he saw. Or what someone who told someone who told someone about your family plastered all over that channel. Who the hell would jump in that ring? Only someone who...

But that's the whole point, the math is wrong.
Quoting Dingoman-two
{quote} But that's the whole point, the math is wrong.
Because someone has told you? There have been recounts before you know. The amount of research any of you do is quite astounding. You would know historically how many votes change in a recount.

Its only wrong when you believe there was tampering on a wide level. One theory already has its hole blown through.

https://www.wbtw.com/news/elections/...s-allegations/
Quoting Dingoman-two
{quote} I find it simply amazing how Alan Jones gets such reactions to his un-bias views. Plus you are relying on data 60/70 years old and way fewer people back then, why don't you look at the population growth over these same 60/70 years, lets see what you get. ????
Look you can say the lowest unemployment in 50 years. Its ok. You can say its the lowest unemployment as a percent of population ever. But what he said is not representative. It just more of the bullshit you guys like to first of all pander to then spread. Its simply not a fact. You just said it.

Believe whatever you like but don't expect others to believe your bullshit. Which is exactly why you see that photo on beside my handle.
Quoting enarco
{quote} Look you can say the lowest unemployment in 50 years. Its ok. You can say its the lowest unemployment as a percent of population ever. But what he said is not representative. It just more of the bullshit you guys like to first of all pander to then spread. Its simply not a fact. You just said it. Believe whatever you like but don't expect others to believe your bullshit. Which is exactly why you see that photo on beside my handle.
And then you want to say this is a source for information that we should respect? Someone who is clearly biased and wants Trump to be in the best light possible. You are being fed exactly what you want to hear and this whole thing with lowest unemployment justifies it. You are defending a falsehood. Based on technicalities from your side.

Like I said I have no problem with him doing great job growth and CONTINUING to build a strong economy at the expense of tax cuts and deficits but he did not create the lowest unemployment in history. It simply did not fucking happen. Its a fact. What he is saying is actually fake news. Sound familiar?
Quoting enarco
{quote} Because someone has told you? There have been recounts before you know. The amount of research any of you do is quite astounding. You would know historically how many votes change in a recount. Its only wrong when you believe there was tampering on a wide level. One theory already has its hole blown through. https://www.wbtw.com/news/elections/...s-allegations/
Again that's another point the US media is very biased,
they have a very lopsided view, all the way from the start.

The US media is being watched by the whole world and the bias manipulation is very clear,
The USA media has lost a lot of creditably over this. IMHO
Quoting Dingoman-two
{quote} Again that's another point the US media is very biased, they have a very lopsided view, all the way from the start. The US media is being watched by the whole world and the bias manipulation is very clear, The USA media has lost a lot of creditably over this. IMHO
Look its pointless but this person was called before a judicial committee and recanted. You want to call it some media MSM cabal misinformation whatever go ahead.

Ignored....I think I am double digits this week.
Quoting enarco
{quote} Look its pointless but this person was called before a judicial committee and recanted. You want to call it some media MSM cabal misinformation whatever go ahead. Ignored....I think I am double digits this week.
My Point has been proved.

Thank you enarco

There's something very wrong with the USA voting system
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No evidence.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/10/u...pe=Interactive
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Quoting OutThere
No evidence. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/10/u...pe=Interactive {image}
More and more just keeps turning up
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world...id=mailsignout
Quoting Dingoman-two
{quote} More and more just keeps turning up https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world...id=mailsignout
Good.

They are Trump election machine. Cambridge Analytica misused people's private data.
That's why we are in this mess now.
And no, they are not coy about it. https://www.theverge.com/2020/1/7/21...-memo-bosworth
Quoting OutThere
{quote} Good. They are the Trump election machine. Cambridge Analytica misused people's private data. That's why we are in this mess now. And no, they are not coy about it. https://www.theverge.com/2020/1/7/21...-memo-bosworth
The truth is my friend, I don't care who wins the election in the USA,

But I loath/detest these people who think that they are above the rules/law,
that we all live by, this is Trump's problem, and he needs to get on top of It ASAP.

This is what I am supporting, / Transparency and honesty, doing what is right.
This may be a bit naive, but never the less there it is.

1/ Facebook looks to be the first on the hit list.
Quoting Dingoman-two
{quote} The truth is my friend, I don't care who wins the election in the USA, But I loath/detest these people who think that they are above the rules/law, that we all live by, this is Trump's problem, and he needs to get on top of It ASAP. This is what I am supporting, / Transparency and honesty, doing what is right. This may be a bit naive, but never the less there it is. 1/ Facebook looks to be the first on the hit list.
Actually, I think it is Biden's problem and he is going get Elizabeth Warren on top of it.
Quoting OutThere
{quote} Actually, I think it is Biden's problem and he is going get Elizabeth Warren on top of it.

Trump has to solve the problem's in his favor and Biden has to answer for them,

So yes I agree with you there my friend
Quoting Dingoman-two
{quote} Trump has to solve the problem's in his favor and Biden has to answer for them, So yes I agree with you there my friend
In the couple of months that he has left, I doubt FB is going to be of any priority for him.
The wagons are circling.
Quoting Dingoman-two
The wagons are circling.
There is a weird ominous kind of feeling in the air right now.
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It should be evident to everyone the US Media is covering for Biden. The US main stream media has become a propaganda tool for the democrats. That's a fact.
Therefore disinformation and damage control is in place.
To wit:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ts/ar-BB1aTDsJ

But this time it did not work:

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Thousands and thousands of people are being manipulated every day by the biased main stream media.

It's absolutely logical that there has been targetted fraud in the election. What remains to be seen is if it made a difference or not (how much fraud, what's the volume ?)
Since 2016 the democrat-media cpmplex has brainwashed a large number of the american public that "Trump is like Hitler"
Now, let's say that you believe this and you have an opportunity to do something to "stop hitler" wouldn't you try ? knowing also that the media and public opinion is going to cover for you ?
I know I would try to "stop hitler" ...

Read this book, it will help a lot ...
https://www.amazon.com/True-Believer.../dp/B003TO5838
and also
"1984", "Animal Farm","Farentheit 451" , "Being There" ...
Deprogramming is possible.
Quoting Mingary
As we all know the US Media is covering for Biden. The US main stream media has become a propaganda tool for the democrats. That's a fact. Therefore disinformation and damage control is in place. To wit: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ts/ar-BB1aTDsJ But this time it...

I have to say that American politics is very interesting, and things look to be getting hotter,

Can Trump retain his presidency that's one question I would be interested in knowing?


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As an non-American observer, ploughing through the morass of propaganda, claim and counter claim, here, IOHO non american traders best ignore all this...except on an entertainment basis.
The salient points for more serious analysis are...
1. Donald Trump has lost the Presidency. His failure to concede is embarrassing and all serious legal analysis weve seen from US derides the mass fraud allegations underlying his stated reason for his refusal.
90% of international leaders and countries have recognized that Biden will be next POTUS.
The game is over. We need now focus on evaluate the market implications of that change of executive regime in the US.
2. Significantly while Trump lost.. the Republican party did not lose. In fact Democrats have lost ground though still control the House, they've not prevailed in the senate as expected. At best they will create a hung senate. This will not be determined until January. This has big implications for coherent US policy going forward.
3. As outsiders we need to blank 90% of the domestic partisan political argument debate we see on these pages. Its just noise. America is a divided nation. Trump magnified that. And he has determined now that his legacy will be to perpetuate and deepen those divides. Internationally, his policies have triggered reduced international confidence in US among its allies, in both its strategic and economic leadership.
The change in executive regime may restore this somewhat, though Trumps determination to obstruct a smooth transition is worrying. Controversially Im sure, our view is that the last 4 years has also propelled/accelerated China towards greater not lesser influence and both strategic and economic role in the world in the next decade. IOHO Markets going forward will reflect this.

This forum is supposed to be about trading and macro-economic analysis. so I wont close without reference to the REAL elephant in the room in medium term.- the CV19 issue.., its impact on output, recovery and the vaccine availability issue. The effect on economies markets and financial stability, of the unprecedented QE/MoneyPrinting currently taking place throughout the developed economies is the real driver of markets, and investors and traders sentiment. The degree of uncertainty here is too hard to call. and clearly will have profound effects on recovery in US and in all nations and frame all our futures in what promises to be a turbulent decade.
[quote=Mingary;13257282you have an opportunity to do something to "stop hitler" wouldn't you try ? knowing also that the media and public opinion is going to cover for you ?
I know I would try to "stop hitler" ...[/quote]

Job done, the american AH is stopped, so I'm not sure what you're whining about ?
You're free now, why aren't you happy ?
Quoting barkie
{quote} Job done, the american Adolf is stopped, so I'm not sure what you're whining about ? You're free now.
Read the last 3 words of the post.
Quoting RossEdwards
As an observer, ploughing through the morass of propoganda, claim and counter claim and compensating or media bias.. IOHO non american traders best ignore this. The salient point are... 1. Donald Trump has lost the Presidency. His failure to concede is embarrassing since all serious legal analysis weve seen from US derides the mass fraud allegations underlying his stated reason for his refusal. 90% of international leaders and countries have recognized that Biden will be next POTUS. The game is over. We need now focus on evaluate the market implications...
I tend to agree.
The democrats won the battle but lost the war.
Quoting Mingary
{quote} I tend to agree. The democrats won the battle but lost the war.
Yes but I would characterize the result slightly differently..
Trump lost the Battle... thats obvious. The War has yet to be determined.
Appears to me (inexpert as I am in US domestic politics) Trump is now a liability for the GOP.
Rather than be smeared with his legacy should the GOP not dump him now and recognize he not they were the losers? Politics is about pragmatism...no?
But whatever.. Biden is next POTUS and we all need to get used to it.
Quoting asking
{quote} Lies after lies came out of this man , and you still believe him ? It's only rigged if he lost the election .
There is a simple reason why those who support crooks/robbers are charged similarly

They are in bed together.....Supporters clearly understand the goals of Trump and support them .....They should be ashamed of themselves but these people are not alone ....After all Hitler was elected to office!
Quoting Dingoman-two
{quote} The truth is my friend, I don't care who wins the election in the USA, But I loath/detest these people who think that they are above the rules/law, that we all live by, this is Trump's problem, and he needs to get on top of It ASAP. This is what I am supporting, / Transparency and honesty, doing what is right. This may be a bit naive, but never the less there it is. 1/ Facebook looks to be the first on the hit list.
Trouble is His supporters dont want him to be honest etc.....They want the spoils and special favours promised....make America as it was in the past when they trampled on everyone else including the American minorities!

The 70 million unconscionable voters should be ashamed of themselves.....I dont know how much respect they will get outside of America....luckily they dont really have to leave America!
Quoting Mingary
It should be evident ...
What is the definition of hearsay Mingary?

This guy is claiming without any proof at all that he overheard a discussion about backdating ballots. He also says that he did not witnessed himself the backdating of a single ballot. He retracted his statement to hearsay, because he knows he lied and would be in deep trouble if he continous.

So you guys are so desparate that is is what you have....Project Veritas.... a spin story factory from a so called guerillia journalist.... debunked many times already and linked to right wing nut jobs. Congratulation.

Shallow minds sink deeper. Stop the lying Mingary.
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Quoting RossEdwards
{quote} Yes but I would characterize the result slightly differently.. Trump lost the Battle... thats obvious. The War has yet to be determined. Appears to me (inexpert as I am in US domestic politics) Trump is now a liability for the GOP. Rather than be smeared with his legacy should the GOP not dump him now and recognize he not they were the losers? Politics is about pragmatism...no? But whatever.. Biden is next POTUS and we all need to get used to it.
The smart move will be to consolidate, show unity in defeat, and move on.
When the honeymoon is over the democrats will have to keep the same policies if they want the country to be at peace and prosperous ... The same policies that trump put in place will then be blessed by the media. It will be fun to watch.
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Quoting HudithePfupf
{quote} What is the definition of hearsay Mingary? This guy is claiming without any proof at all that he overheard a discussion about backdating ballots. He also says that he did not witnessed himself the backdating of a single ballot. He retracted his statement to hearsay, because he knows he lied and would be in deep trouble if he continous. So you guys are so desparate that is is what you have....Project Veritas.... a spin story factory from a so called guerillia journalist.... debunked many times already and linked to right wing nut jobs. Congratulation....
Fact: the washington post reported that the Richard Hopkins recanted his story
Fact: Richard Hopkins now says that the story is false.

At this point I don't think you even realize the level of hypocrisy you are demonstrating.

But wait perhaps you should check the "Lincoln Project" for the "truth" on this issue.
"The dogma lives loudly within you"
Quoting here2there
Whether you like him or not, Trump has every right to challenge the results of this election. And Americans have a right to a Fair Election!
I 100% agree as an outside observer of American politics.
I dont think anyone is disputing that..are they?
However thats not whats happening here.
Whats happening is that as sitting POTUS he is disputing the outcome of an election, making charges of mass electoral fraud without any evidence. Note the charge is of MASS fraud. Levels that would overturn the result. Not small isolated instances which occur in every election. Quite right that investigations should occur in ALL cases where electoral fraud is suspected based on evidence. Simply wasting peoples time throwing about entirely unsubstantiated allegations of MASS Fraud without overwhelming evidence is both puerile and damaging to the credibility of the democratic electoral system that he himself was happy to regard as totally valid and fraud free just 4 years ago when it delivered a victory for him. It is also damaging to the US itself when it obstructs the smooth transition of power to the new administration in January. Speaks poorly to his already checkered legacy.
Sad and embarrassing really.
Quoting RossEdwards
{quote} I 100% agree as an outside observer of American politics. I dont think anyone is disputing that..are they? However thats not whats happening here. Whats happening is that as sitting POTUS he is disputing the outcome of an election, making charges of mass electoral fraud without any evidence. Note the charge is of MASS fraud. Levels that would overturn the result. Not small isolated instances which occur in every election. Quite right that investigations should occur in ALL cases where electoral fraud is suspected based on evidence. Simply...
It's really simple.
Again the lying MEDIA hard at work as usual.
The MEDIA will always report on the lack of evidence on WIDESPREAD FRAUD (mass electoral fraud)
Why ?
It's simply because there is no widespread fraud!!
Most ballot counts in most cities do not show any fraud at all!.

What they should report are allegations of TARGETTED FRAUD. Especially in key cities in the swing states
Just another exercise in disinformation ..
They are a dime a dozen on the US main stream media.
Quoting Mingary
{quote} It's really simple..... because there is no widespread fraud!! Most ballot counts in most cities do not show any fraud at all!..
OK. So if you accept this, why is Mr Trump refusing to concede the election, and obstruct the transition, when his allegations are specifically that there is widespread fraud such that would invalidate the result?
For years they been labeling Trump as Hitler ,Bait and switch. Scare people and vote in the New Hitler.
Kabuki Theatre, Market will do what it wants. Talking heads will add blame after the move.
They said it went up cuz of biden but went down cuz the blue wave petered out. Just trade you setups. Keep all this stuff Out of it , it will screw with your plan.
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Quoting RossEdwards
{quote} OK. So if you accept this, why is Mr Trump refusing to concede the election, and obstruct the transition, when his allegations are specifically that there is widespread fraud such that would invalidate the result?
Gore / Busch 2000
37 days for a recount
Regardless of trumps stupid comments there are good reasons for a recount in some cities.
Why not extend the same deadline to the republicans ?
As Far as Elections, here in America they have been scams for years. Nothing new there. But have never seen any one be attacked Like Mr. Trump. He did upset the little apple cart US Politicians have run for years. They blame him for the divide. The divide has been here for many many years. Now it's time for the kid gloves to come off. One side will win Not 2. It will get ugly before it gets better. Manage your own risk. Be carefull. Protect yourself.
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Biden is biding his time. Possibly Coup is brewing in USA
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Richard Hopkins first claimed he had to backdate mail in ballots himself.
After interrogation he recanted his serious allegation into a pure hearsay that he heard other talking about backdating ballots.
Based on that communication, all serious allegations fell apart and WH Post and many other news outlets informed the public about it based on Richards obvious recant.
Shortly after he claims to have been pressured to recant and says he did not recant his allegations, because he obviously didn't get it that his backpaddeling to pure hearsay is similar to recant, because he does not have any hard evidence at all to prove anything.

Every single person could come forward and say he / she heard a conversation how MAGA discussed stratagies to rig the elections.... if this is enough on pure hearsay, jail them all.

This case will likely go nowhere like all the others spin stories so far, but the deliver evidence how Trump camp wants to cheat and rig the election with fraudulent lawsuits and fraud claims.

Stop the lying Mingary. Stop it now.
Quoting RossEdwards
{quote} ...Whats happening is that as sitting POTUS he is disputing the outcome of an election, making charges of mass electoral fraud without any evidence...
There is a lot you are missing, likely because you have been duped by the mainstream media.

This is where I get my information from: https://www.citizenfreepress.com/
....and project veritas founder James O'Keefe isn't even allowed to buy a gun....

https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york...fyy-story.html

https://newrepublic.com/article/1586...steal-election

They are working on this shit since months Mingary. He is a Dumpy tool.
For all clear to see how they are lying and cheating in broad daylight.

Stop the lying Mingary. Stop it now.
Quoting HudithePfupf
....and project veritas founder James O'Keefe isn't even allowed to buy a gun.... https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york...fyy-story.html https://newrepublic.com/article/1586...steal-election They are working on this shit since months Mingary. He is a Dumpy tool. For all clear to see how they are lying and cheating in broad daylight. Stop the lying Mingary. Stop it now.

"WOW REALY"
evidence Is mounting against ?????

https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6208935799001
Oh, your hero wistleblower had a gofundme page.... now under review and blocked.... fishy... would not be surprised if he has to give 60% to Dumpy to pay down the debt of the failed loser campaign. That's seem's to be the modus operandi.... so many parallels to retail forex trading.... the have to keep the dream alive to lure in new suckers and keep the addicts on board.

What's your deal Mingary? Are you getting paid well for your service?
Quoting Dingoman-two
{quote} "WOW REALY" evidence Is mounting against ????? https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6208935799001
Fake news isn't limited you the US... you find them in Down Under too.

https://www.crikey.com.au/2018/08/23...ke-news-spill/
Quoting HudithePfupf
...What's your deal Mingary? Are you getting paid well for your service?
The same can be asked of you. Are you projecting?
Quoting HudithePfupf
....and project veritas founder James O'Keefe isn't even allowed to buy a gun.... https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york...fyy-story.html https://newrepublic.com/article/1586...steal-election They are working on this shit since months Mingary. He is a Dumpy tool. For all clear to see how they are lying and cheating in broad daylight. Stop the lying Mingary. Stop it now.

I see that you can only refer to the Tabloids that are a part of misleading the American people my friend,

It won't be long now, I believe that the People of the USA will see the media for what they have done and could/should be asking questions.

Time will reveal all folks

Quoting HudithePfupf
{quote} Fake news isn't limited you the US... you find them in Down Under too. https://www.crikey.com.au/2018/08/23...ke-news-spill/
Is that the best you got my friend??? or is there more ???
Quoting Mingary
{quote} Gore / Busch 2000 37 days for a recount Regardless of trumps stupid comments there are good reasons for a recount in some cities. Why not extend the same deadline to the republicans ?
OK good point..The 2000 Florida recount was based on the fact that that it was clear that result was entirely dependent on the Florida count withch showed a Gore majority of 1,784 votes. The final result ater 37 days of recounts and legal interventions was a reversal to a Bush majority of circa 600 votes.- swing/correction was circa 0.0005% of the Florida vote.

From what I see none of the 2020 swing states show margins anywhere this tight. And even if one did it wouldn't change the result. So You make a good point but Im sure concede that in reality Bidens 2020 win margin bears no similarity to the knife edge 2000 Bush-Gore situation which occasioned such an extraordinary disruption of the transition process..
Anyway interesting discussion .. suppose best we all now zip it and wait for outcome..
My concern is less political and more that markets and economy aren't damaged by an unnecessarily fractious transition.
Quoting Dingoman-two
{quote} "WOW REALY" evidence Is mounting against ????? https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6208935799001
Evidence is mounting and then this Aussie comes up with an opinion piece
Where's the evidence Dingo give us something man.
Quoting here2there
{quote} There is a lot you are missing, likely because you have been duped by the mainstream media. This is where I get my information from: https://www.citizenfreepress.com/
These boys?

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Ok .. glad youre not brainwashed by a politically biased source.
Quoting barkie
{quote} Evidence is mounting and then this Aussie comes up with an opinion piece Where's the evidence Dingo give us something man.
Much of the evidence appears to be in statistical anomaly's one statistician said the anomaly's are the equivalent to flipping a coin 100 times and it being heads 100 times in a row also all of the voting errors only go one way and some places had over 100% voter turn out which is impossible so their obviously needs to be a investigation
I wonder why the leftist crackpots are so afraid of James O’Keefe releases secret recording of federal agents attempting to ‘coerce’ USPS whistleblower…
He must have hit a nerve. Hmmmmm! Better look deeper into this!
Quoting RossEdwards
{quote} These boys? {image} Ok .. glad youre not brainwashed by a politically biased source.
Sorry, but ad hominem attacks don't substantiate your beliefs. However, it does show you have a bias. LOL

Don't be hypocritical!
HAMMER - SCORECARD - DOMINION...........100s of thousands of votes - maybe MILLIONS!
Quoting barkie
{quote} Evidence is mounting and then this Aussie comes up with an opinion piece Where's the evidence Dingo give us something man.
The evidence is in the clip, then there is the Postal office worker, USPS whistleblower, I am sure there may be more to come I have no doubt of this, we all know how the momentum builds.

Let us just wait and see who is full of it and who will $hit bricks first my friend.

"He did what to keep his job"
Quoting here2there
{quote} The same can be asked of you. Are you projecting?
I give you a straight forward answer. No.

I am doing it for free, simply because I hate liars.
Quoting HudithePfupf
{quote} I give you a straight forward answer. No. I am doing it for free, simply because I hate liars.
Do you think Biden is an honest man?
USPS whistleblower. Judging from all the flak there must be something here. But an even BIGGER problem for the election HOAX'ers is the Pelosi, Feinstein, Soros connected corrupted software.......MOMENTUM is building!
Quoting HudithePfupf
{quote} I give you a straight forward answer. No. I am doing it for free, simply because I hate liars.
That's exactly how I feel as well, the liars are not good enough to win anything on their own merits,
They have to lie and cheat as well, their just cowards in the true sense of the word, IMHO

Quoting here2there
{quote} Sorry, but ad hominem attacks don't substantiate your beliefs. However, it does show you have a bias. LOL Don't be hypocritical!
Ad Hominem attack?
What attack?
I made no criticism of your personal choice of media information.
I simply looked up your recommendation to see what I might be looking at.
I complimented you on your choice and made no other comment. Particularly an ad hominem one. Zero.

What an extraordinary post?
Quoting RossEdwards
{quote} Ad Hominem attack? What attack? I made no criticism of your personal choice of media information. I simply looked up your recommendation to see what I might be looking at. I complimented you on your choice and made no other comment. Particularly an ad hominem one. Zero. What an extraordinary post?
Your comment was filled with sarcasm. Don't try to play mind games with me!
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NEVER FORGET that Kickback Joe said it himself: Joe Biden: "We have put together I think the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics.”
Quoting here2there
{quote} Your comment was filled with sarcasm. Don't try to play mind games with me!
FFS!! Total BS
You appear to love to stir shit here.
You find issues with folk that have none. Find conspiracy in every post.
You seek controversy and confrontation at every turn.
Leave me out of this game. I posted a reply in good faith. Too busy for this BS
Quoting RossEdwards
{quote} I posted a reply in good faith. Too busy for this BS
I don't believe you. You don't know what the word good means. Put me on your ignore list.
Quoting RossEdwards
{quote} FFS!! Total BS You appear to love to stir shit here.
You are projecting!
MOMENTUM will crush the election HOAX'ers!

https://www.oann.com/clinton-ties-to...hed-for-biden/
Trump cases are getting dismissed at 'record speed'

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/...nig-nr-vpx.cnn
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Quoting HudithePfupf
{quote} I give you a straight forward answer. No. I am doing it for free, simply because I hate liars.
So you hate Biden, Pelosi, AOC, Schumer just to name a few .... and the US main stream media ?

Should Biden disavow white supremacist supporters 12 times a minute ?

https://www.newsweek.com/richard-spe...us-gop-1527555
Is trump still hiding and crying like a little bitch? Take your time numbnuts! Your precious feelings mean more than what's going on in that country right now. Forget about the virus. Forget that you promised after the election you gonna give the biggest stimulus you ever had. Forget about the peaceful transition of power. Just sabotage everything and put your precious little feelings over the country.
Quoting Nick.
Is trump still hiding and crying like a little bitch? Take your time numbnuts! Your precious feelings mean more than what's going on in that country right now. Forget about the virus. Forget that you promised after the election you gonna give the biggest stimulus you ever had. Forget about the peaceful transition of power. Just sabotage everything and put your precious little feelings over the country.
Yup. No interest in running the country or taking care of U.S. business or it's people. At this time it's all about saving his own ass.
Forget about the blue wave. What he is concerned about is the tsunami of lawsuits and the debtors storming him on Jan 20th after 12 PM. It's definitely a scary time to come for him and no amount of McD's cheeseburgers is going to relive his anxieties.

I think all news regarding Trump should be put under 'Entertainment news' from now on.
Here is Trump and his gang throwing sh*t at the wall hoping something sticks and eventually winds up at Supreme court where they have their judges stacked and hope again that those judges sacrifice their reputation and the majority of US voters to deliver him the king's crown that he has always dreamt of.
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December 14th, 2020... two things happen... Electoral College and Total Solar Eclipse... might want to stay in bed that day...
Quoting OutThere
{quote} I think all news regarding Trump should be put under 'Entertainment news' from now on.
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Boris is actually a pretty funny guy.



LONDON - British Prime Minister Boris Johnson has called Donald Trump the “previous president” of the United States and said it was “refreshing” to talk to President-elect Joe Biden.

https://www.fox5ny.com/news/boris-jo...ious-president
Youtube has shut down HHmmm ?????

Its back
Quoting Mingary
It should be evident to everyone the US Media is covering for Biden. The US main stream media has become a propaganda tool for the democrats. That's a fact. Therefore disinformation and damage control is in place. To wit: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ts/ar-BB1aTDsJ But this time it did not work: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibU5...ature=emb_logo Thousands and thousands of people are being manipulated every day by the...
I will be sure to post all the journalism against Biden, Pelosi et al over the coming years to you.

Wolf Blitzer on CNN grilled Nancy Pelosi to the point of pissing her off on why she would not approve the stimulus bill because people were hurting. I know and understand you have been told its all biased so never even watch it but they are journalists. They just got off track on going full on with Trump for 4 years. But for sure I will make sure to track you down on this site and present what is said about Biden and Pelosi over the coming 4 years on the biased media. CNN may have some bais I agree but to say they are some propaganda machine for the left or Democrats is not real. Its simply what you have been told and now believe. And I hear you laughing. Go ahead. CNN will report a scandal if there is on on the DEM's. They will grill them over things that are not being dealt with.
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He probably does not remember saying it ..

When trump he said to have lied it makes the news for 6 months
When Biden lies it's never mentioned!!!

The hypocrisy is astounding


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Quoting Mingary
He probably does not remember saying it .. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VP7OQpDzwxY
Its getting livelier
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Quoting Dingoman-two
{quote} https://youtu.be/My6KBYuRZEQ
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Mingary: "Let me give you a primer on disinformation and cover up."

Again Mingary, stop the lying!

This discribes how you guys work:

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-ne...ection_results

"Instead of evidence, we're assaulted with a plethora of claims seeking to undermine faith in the election, ranging from confusing to clearly fabricated," said Joe Bak-Coleman, a postdoctoral fellow at the University of Washington who is tracking post-election disinformation as part of the Election Integrity Partnership. "Individually, none of these claims could stand up to a moment's scrutiny, but collectively they're deafening, urging the average citizen to give up and accept the ambiguity."

Among the barrage of baseless or misrepresented claims of election shenanigans: that ballots were invalid, ripped, dumped, late, changed, magically found but also lost; that voters were undocumented, from out of state, using their maiden names to vote twice or dead; that the calls were rigged by both the machines and software used to count and report the votes and by the news organizations that called the race.

This sums it up so well, I think every reasonable person admits that you are a liar Mingary.

Stop lying Mingary, just stop.
Quoting HudithePfupf
Mingary: "Let me give you a primer on disinformation and cover up." Again Mingary, stop the lying! This discribes how you guys work: https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-ne...ection_results "Instead of evidence, we're assaulted with a plethora of claims seeking to undermine faith in the election, ranging from confusing to clearly fabricated," said Joe Bak-Coleman, a postdoctoral fellow at the University of Washington who is tracking post-election...

Sorry, my friend but I have just flipped through your posts and all of the ones I have seen, are of a critical nature,

Can we get something positive/constructive, please
Quoting Mingary
{quote} So you hate Biden, Pelosi, AOC, Schumer just to name a few .... and the US main stream media ? Should Biden disavow white supremacist supporters 12 times a minute ? https://www.newsweek.com/richard-spe...us-gop-1527555
Not the smartest cookie if this is your interpretation and conclusion.
You are asking questions where you know the answer already. Still in denial?
Quite inefficient - your performance is probably impacted by so much losing of your idol.

Take a rest and stop the framing. Thanks.
Mingary, I told you the likelyhood that they find republicans who voted for dead people or voted twice according the instruction of their cult leader is higher and now....

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/-trum...b61c185f4848de

Wake up. Trump lies, his republican lackies lie and a lot of Trump supporter have absolutly no problem with that. So it is absolutly logic that you will find more voter fraud on this side. It might fire back and Trumps lawsuits will imprison mainly his supporters, but won't change the election result.

However, voter fraud is rare and most Americans on both sides are honourable people and would never cheat. Those should step in and recognize how Dumpy set the stage already 6 months ago to do exactly what is is doing now.
Quoting OutThere
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There is strong evidence that Russia interfered in the elections to give Biden the win.
Since Russia had no luck with Trump, they now turned to Biden, evidence sugests.
Quoting enarco
{quote} I will be sure to post all the journalism against Biden, Pelosi et al over the coming years to you. Wolf Blitzer on CNN grilled Nancy Pelosi to the point of pissing her off on why she would not approve the stimulus bill because people were hurting. I know and understand you have been told its all biased so never even watch it but they are journalists. They just got off track on going full on with Trump for 4 years. But for sure I will make sure to track you down on this site and present what is said about Biden and Pelosi over the coming...
Looking at what is happening now. I doubt it very much.
The democrats are still fighting and never accepting the 2016 election.
The attacks started before the election and have been relentless.
The media is pro-biden 100% they will continue to ask easy questions and hide the real problems.
Quoting HudithePfupf
{quote} Not the smartest cookie if this is your interpretation and conclusion. You are asking questions where you know the answer already. Still in denial? Quite inefficient - your performance is probably impacted by so much losing of your idol. Take a rest and stop the framing. Thanks.
I predict that to endure such hypocrisy will get unbearable for some..
Quoting here2there
{quote} That's not what the evidence is showing.
When you need to reward $1 Million for evidence of voter fraud , you have nothing . https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...r-fraud-reward
Quoting asking
{quote} When you need to reward $1 Million for evidence of voter fraud , you have nothing . https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...r-fraud-reward
Why do you think they are offering such a large reward?
Quoting STrading
{quote} There is strong evidence that Russia interfered in the elections to give Biden the win. Since Russia had no luck with Trump, they now turned to Biden, evidence sugests.
Actually, the US now has a "Chinese president elect" ...
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Quoting OutThere
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All this is irrelevant. The crony capitalist will always win. They have the capital. They control the money supply. With Obama, they decided to play nice for a little bit because they plunged the world into a massive recession and they were worried that the pitchforks will come for them.
The Republican party is smart. They chose the side with which is much easier to win.
The only time you get a democratic president is when the country is in some type of crisis before the election. The democrats come in, they do the hard work to fix the mess by imposing regulation so that everyone is in check and you get steady minimal growth without the massive swings and destructive bubbles. But the people forget and they get bored with this kind of leadership because they are greedy and they want more money and excitement.
So they elect again the republicans to give them fireworks. They deregulate, they cut taxes, everything in the name of more without taking into account the consequences. It all happens subconsciously. Therefore the people deserver what they get. They are at fault, not the cronies or the republicans.
Please please please....before posting in FF with your views, have a good hard long look into your sources first. I won't name the users I'm talking about.

It's sad seeing such overt brainwashing in 2020.
Quoting Nick.
{quote} All this is irrelevant. The crony capitalist will always win. They have the capital. They control the money supply. With Obama, they decided to play nice for a little bit because they plunged the world into a massive recession and they were worried that the pitchforks will come for them. The Republican party is smart. They chose the side with which is much easier to win. The only time you get a democratic president is when the country is in some type of crisis before the election. The democrats come in, they do the hard work to fix the mess...
At this stage it looks like the people simply don't want Trump. It may still be the case that the Republicans hold the power though (albeit with a Dem Potus).

I think sometimes, romantic narratives (like your post) propagates ignorance.
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The attempts to cloud up the Legal situation over voting in this forum are going to be met with the reality of Law.
Zerohedge has posted the ruling by Pa. judge that the Secretary of State of Pa. Kathy Boockvar lacked authority to extend the date for proof of ID.
This theme likely to prevail into US Supreme Court when it comes to Pa. Supreme Court Legislating from the Bench to over-ride Authority of State Legislature..
US Constitution Founders very much structured Law Making so as to be resulting from the Political process and not from as they are referred to 'Philosopher Kings of the Judicial Branch'. Foundational to US Governmental structure at all levels is that there are three branches of Government and Legislature via the Political process is the one who writes the Laws.

State Legislatures are the ones that determine how elections get done. Not State Supreme Courts which over reach.
This is core to Giuliani's case and also why 10 other state attorney generals signed on as well. The states need clarification from US Supreme court as to who sets the Laws, Legislature or Court system.

US Constitution directly addresses this subject, vesting final Authority with State Legislatures. No usurpation of this is going to get thru US Supreme Court. It would take a Constitutional amendment to change this and that is not going to happen.
Quoting ww3361
{quote} At this stage it looks like the people simply don't want Trump. It may still be the case that the Republicans hold the power though (albeit with a Dem Potus). I think sometimes, romantic narratives (like your post) propagates ignorance.
Ok, I'm an ignorant Romanian without a superiority complex. You got me there.
Who do you think is more suited to fix the virus problem in the US? A Biden presidency or a Trump presidency?
"Never let a good crisis go to waste" Winston Churchill
It seems to me that Trump focused on the wrong message this time. He should have taken the virus more seriously not communism.
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Quoting here2there
{quote} Why do you think they are offering such a large reward?
Why do you think the greatest intelligence institution in the U.S.A offering reward for information leading directly to the arrest of most wanted persons ?
https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten
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Quoting Mingary
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Had heard about this, Robert Reich was a proponent. Only problem here will be who ends up getting an education in Life. I guarantee it will not be the intended targets.

add: The rest of the cartoon I can not verify. The left is nuts enough to want and start Civil War which will be the only outcome of something like this if what is portrayed is not a combination of the Onion and the Liberal establishment Nut cases.
Quoting asking
{quote} Why do you think the greatest intelligence institution in the U.S.A offering reward for information leading directly to the arrest of most wanted persons ? https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten
Why won't you answer my question?
Quoting here2there
{quote} Why do you think they are offering such a large reward?
Because the harder it is to find something, the higher the reward price when/if found.

What is the reward for Unicorns, so Trump can fly one?
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I didn't ask a stupid question. The problem is you aren't putting enough thought into the question.
Quoting OutThere
{quote} Because the harder it is to find something, the higher the reward price when/if found. What is the reward for Unicorns, so Trump can fly one? {image}
$ 1 Zillion to first person who finds me a unicorn
Quoting here2there
{quote} I didn't ask a stupid question. The problem is you aren't putting enough thought into the question.
Really ? The FBI is offering the reward because they can't find the person . The Republican is offering the reward because they can't find the evidence . And for you to think this is not a stupid question ? Get into my level first , then we continue this conversation.
Quoting asking
{quote} Really ? The FBI is offering the reward because they can't find the person . The Republican is offering the reward because they can't find the evidence . And for you to think this is not a stupid question ? Get into my level first , then we continue this conversation.
My question had to do with the substantial amount of money being offered as a reward. You are missing something. Try again.
Quoting Dingoman-two
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he would be president
Quoting Dingoman-two
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Trump is not acting like a guy who thinks it is over. He is moving forward with agenda of removing troops from Syria and possibly Afghanistan. Pompeo is also moving ahead with foreign policy objectives. Mideast peace initiatives are not crumbling and so is continued pressure on Iran maintained.

USD strengthened when during election night it appeared that Trump won. Only after all the early morning numbers reversed so dramatically did USD sell off. If Trump wins from both legal and recount efforts no question there will be rioting in cities that are going to get out of control. This mainly due to mass media refusing to acknowledge the fight is not over, leaving their viewers completely unaware. But that is likely what they want anyway.

The main thing is it will probably take some time and state by state getting resolved drags this out until just before electoral college meets December 14. Another factor is if Fraud is evident the transition can be delayed for some time without any constitutional violations.

Best guess market impact that is dealing with Lot of unknowns and uncertainty, will keep markets rangebound at least regarding election inputs. Hard to see any trending developing based upon these thoughts.
also...anyone here voted more than once....asking for a friend
Quoting mistaouting
{quote} he would be president
Thank you for your input mistaouting,

I figured that much out, I was thinking more along the lines of those involved with the extremely strong push against Trump, as the media, then there's there supporters,

I am sitting on the edge of my seat,

I have to leave now due to an appointment but I will be back.
Quoting foto
{quote} Trump is not acting like a guy who thinks it is over. He is moving forward with agenda of removing troops from Syria and possibly Afghanistan. Pompeo is also moving ahead with foreign policy objectives. Mideast peace initiatives are not crumbling and so is continued pressure on Iran maintained. USD strengthened when during election night it appeared that Trump won. Only after all the early morning numbers reversed so dramatically did USD sell off. If Trump wins from both legal and recount efforts no question there will be rioting in cities...
I think Trump has a lot of valid points that need to be clarified IMHO
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Quoting Dingoman-two
{quote} I think Trump has a lot of valid points that need to be clarified IMHO
To me the fight is between machine political structures seeking complete control over government vs. the constantly moving and adapting upstart Trump. He is truly the monkey wrench thrown into the political machines gearbox. That is why he is so hated, all the politicals are getting a bucking bronco ride out of their safety zones.

How it gets resolved one can ask. When all the backroom deals of which political machines relies upon for control get subjected to so much chaos in the form of Trump the only way back is by going back to Truth as basis of operations.
Keep also in mind Trump comes out of real estate developing where the ground is always shifting and many things are constantly getting juggled so as to keep projects on time and in cost for delivery. He thrives in such an environment. Trump is anti fragile whilst political machines need constant maintenance (backroom deals/pay to play) to keep everything in alignment.

This antifragility is his great strength. I would not count him out yet especially as chaotic the election process has become.
Machiavelli meets Muhammad Ali round 15. For those unfamiliar with Muhammad Ali he coined the phrase "rope a dope" as a fight technique.
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If I ran a factory, say its called USA and wanted to hire a manager to run it, I would not want to hire or keep someone who constantly throws monkey ranches into inner workings of the factory.

Why in hell would you think that is Okay and something that should be admired? I would just hire a monkey (not legal) or something equivalent.

The evidence of his monkey wrench throwing is hard to miss. A divided country, Hundreds of thousands dead and dying. Conflicts with just about every country in the world. Lost alliances with the friendly countries. Global economy in constant upheaval due to tariff wars....on and on and on.

People want to heal.

Nobody is running into any safety zones. His oppositions are standing tall. No need to run when all there is to do is to stand and fight. They did so and they won.

How it gets resolved one can ask? It's already resolved. They only one who hasn't realized that is Trump and those who think he still has a plan B hiding somewhere.

Yup, everyone wants the truth. They have been waiting for the truth for 4 years and they are getting the truth. The very fact that some are still looking for truth shows that they are not interested in truth.

I don't feel like bringing up Trump's real estate failures. You can surprise yourself with a google search. He can go back to that specialty of his. This is the time. Ding ding ding. All real estate developers hop on...last call. He thrives in politics so much that he got the tip of the foot in a fast motion treatment to his behind. I guess he wants that twice to make sure it was meant for him.

If antifragility is defined as sitting in the WH basement and moping about his loss, then you can go with that meaning. It's all yours.

I don't know who Machiavelli is but please don't smear Muhammad Ali's name in a comparison to a draft dodger who cheats at Gulf while in between pays high priced hookers and avoides paying taxes to name a few.
Quoting OutThere
If I ran a factory, say its called USA and wanted to hire a manager to run it, I would not want to hire or keep someone who constantly throws monkey ranches into inner workings of the factory. Why in hell would you think that is Okay and something that should be admired? I would just hire a monkey (not legal) or something equivalent. Nobody is running into any safety zones. His oppositions are standing tall. No need to run when all there is to do to stand and fight. They did so and they won. How it gets resolved one can ask? It's already resolved....
Machiavelli has been around for some time. Wrote the Prince back in 1513 all about Political intrigue and holding onto power. Still quite relevant for understanding carrier Politicians in today's world. Pelosi and Schumer two examples of machine politicians based in large part upon Machiavellian principles.

AntiFragility has been explained by Nassim Taleb.
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Quoting foto
{quote} Machiavelli has been around for some time. Wrote the Prince back in 1513 all about Political intrigue and holding onto power. Still quite relevant for understanding carrier Politicians in today's world. Pelosi and Schumer two examples of machine politicians based in large part upon Machiavellian principles. AntiFragility has been explained by Nassim Taleb.
Ok. Enjoy the loony bin and have a good day.
Here are a couple of songs to HELP ease your pain:

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Biden/Clinton/Obama here are your "deplorables":
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not "Coastal Elite" enough for you ?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...iBz?li=BBnb7Kz

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basket_of_deplorables

The hypocrisy, prejudice, and bigotry is astounding.

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JOINT STATEMENT FROM ELECTIONS INFRASTRUCTURE GOVERNMENT COORDINATING COUNCIL & THE ELECTION INFRASTRUCTURE SECTOR COORDINATING EXECUTIVE COMMITTEES

The November 3rd election was the most secure in American history.

https://www.cisa.gov/news/2020/11/12...uncil-election






Congratulations to USA for figuring out how to run a secure election.
CNN finally projected Biden will win Arizona.
I guess lawsuits will follow in a few hours.
Quoting Nick.
CNN finally projected Biden will win Arizona. I guess lawsuits will follow in a few hours.
I think they're hanging it up. It's setting in.
Next task is to order a whole lot of empty moving boxes.
For Information
I spoke to some analysts in the City yesterday on other business. At end conferences discussed post election US situation, and Trumps refusal to conceded result to frustrate the sooth transition.
They cited growing market, and in one case diplomatic concern, about what appears to be a sinister deliberate and systematic program of replacing of key officials in Defense, Military, National Security, Law enforcement, and Intelligence agencies in the last days of this administration, with Trump loyalists and political hacks in the runup to January Biden inauguration.
Quoting OutThere
{quote} Ok. Enjoy the loony bin and have a good day. Here are a couple of songs to HELP ease your pain: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iABFZGzEjY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SbUC-UaAxE
Nothing is over. In or out of White House Trump is not going away. Nor are the people who support Him going to get re-educated.
Out of White House Trump nor his base will have to pull punches in effort to find common ground with those out to destroy a way of Life.
The split is real and there is no compromise.
Biden should he choose to walk the Lie is going to get Hammered with National Strikes this country has not seen for very very Long. Deplorables are going to come at him with a vengeance. Count on it.

If you think cities where people think food and supplies appear magically with plastic wrapping are in for a very rude surprise.

Roy Orbison right up there with Leonard Cohen.
Quoting foto
{quote} AntiFragility has been explained by Nassim Taleb.
Great to see a fellow Taleb fan here!

I’ve heard a theory that Trump knows he’s defeated but will be as destructive as possible to leverage an exit agreement with the Democrats to avoid prosecution (for the list of criminal acts he’s allegedly guilty of).
Quoting ww3361
{quote} Great to see a fellow Taleb fan here! I’ve heard a theory that Trump knows he’s defeated but will be as destructive as possible to leverage an exit agreement with the Democrats to avoid prosecution (for the list of criminal acts he’s allegedly guilty of).
Am leaning towards the following as to where this is going.
Trump is anti-Fragile.
Secondly I think he expected to have Vote fraud or incompetence in handling mail in balloting to deal with. For that he was prepared.
Thirdly I do not think he expected the level of Ballot counting irregularities. This has a component yet to be determined how much Ballot stuffing occurred.

Fourth being anti-Fragile he finds himself presented with opportunity to get long overdue election reform taking shape that exposes the inner machinations of the Political Machines controlling cities for decades.
My view is that Trump recognizes this opportunity and is acting upon it.

I also believe there are watermarks on Legal Ballots and that there was a Mad panicked dash to come up with ballots designed to reverse an unexpected Trump landslide. In short the political machine was not prepared for what really happened.

They are now in full on Fright that they are going to be exposed. Trump will go for the juggler on this. Payback will be an epic Bitch. He has nothing to Lose at this point.

That Master of the Lie John Brennan asked for Pence to go after Trump. The games afoot and they are shitting their pants.

add: One other thought I think Dominion software is getting looked at by CIA. Supposedly there is software originating in China in there.
If there was voting fraud, I really hope it gets uncovered.

But it both looks and feels like there wasn’t in the first place and neither would the powers at be allow such fraud to ever be uncovered in the unlikely event there was.
Quoting ww3361
If there was voting fraud, I really hope it gets uncovered. But it both looks and feels like there wasn’t in the first place and neither would the powers at be allow such fraud to ever be uncovered in the unlikely event there was.
It has to play out where ever it leads. If it ends up Biden he can not govern unless Trumps Base believes that the election was not faked.
No one believes mass media it has lost all credibility after what it engaged in since 2016.
This has to come from Trump himself and he is not going to let it go.
Quoting ww3361
If there was voting fraud, I really hope it gets uncovered. But it both looks and feels like there wasn’t in the first place and neither would the powers at be allow such fraud to ever be uncovered in the unlikely event there was.
There is no fraud, look 14k dead people apparently voted, they found none. And trust me they are digging for dirt around the clock, result ? Nothing. You witnessed the fairest elections ever.

Now let's ignore these losers here, it's a waiste of time, let's focus on the new US/EU LIBERAL agenda for the Rustbelt. My suggestion: Education camps.
Quoting foto
{quote} It has to play out where ever it leads. If it ends up Biden he can not govern unless Trumps Base believes that the election was not faked. No one believes mass media it has lost all credibility after what it engaged in since 2016. This has to come from Trump himself and he is not going to let it go.
Trump is a pathological liar along with many other pathologies and this is why everything that comes out of his mouth should really come out of his anus.
That man fucked that country up physiologically for at least a generation and he's not even done yet.
Quoting barkie
{quote} There is no fraud, look 14k dead people apparently voted, they found none. And trust me they are digging for dirt around the clock, result ? Nothing. You witnessed the fairest elections ever. Now let's ignore these losers here, it's a waiste of time, let's focus on the new US/EU LIBERAL agenda for the Rustbelt. My suggestion: Education camps.
On the other hand, there is a continuous effort to commit even fraud by stoping the counting of the votes. They're trying everything they can to overthrow the election result.
They are even filing suits in the wrong districts.
https://twitter.com/steve_vladeck/st...files-23006234
After failing in 2024, Trump runs for presidency again in 2028 with a new catch phrase in order to cash in from his fans' enthusiasm.
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He is at it as we speak.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/28/comp...-spending.html
Quoting foto
{quote} Am leaning towards the following as to where this is going. Trump is anti-Fragile. Secondly I think he expected to have Vote fraud or incompetence in handling mail in balloting to deal with. For that he was prepared. Thirdly I do not think he expected the level of Ballot counting irregularities. This has a component yet to be determined how much Ballot stuffing occurred. Fourth being anti-Fragile he finds himself presented with opportunity to get long overdue election reform taking shape that exposes the inner machinations of the Political...
Just answer us all this. On the ballots how come all the Republican Senators and Congress..persons got elected but Trump did not? Just answer us that. And the crowd goes silent. OR the conspiracy takes a new twist and turn.

You wish there will be chaos. Your imagination is that of a 2 year old. Very very vivid and quite irrational.
Quoting OutThere
After failing in 2024, Trump runs for presidency again in 2028 with a new catch phrase in order to cash in from his fans' enthusiasm. {image}

Well we're half way there already..
For the Believers that subscribe to either of the websites raising money to pursue legal challenges to support his Widespread Fraud allegation.. I understand the VERY small print advises that 50% of their money will not go to this, but to paying off his now defunct but deeply in debt campaign fund.
Quoting Nick.
{quote} He is at it as we speak. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/28/comp...-spending.html
Making money from a power position has always been his goal. Now, out of office, there is nothing to stop him. He will get his way because there is a sucker born every minute.
Quoting Nick.
{quote} Trump is a pathological liar along with many other pathologies and this is why everything that comes out of his mouth should really come out of his anus. That man fucked that country up physiologically for at least a generation and he's not even done yet.
Says the democrat media complex propaganda ..
Quoting barkie
{quote} There is no fraud, look 14k dead people apparently voted, they found none. And trust me they are digging for dirt around the clock, result ? Nothing. You witnessed the fairest elections ever. Now let's ignore these losers here, it's a waiste of time, let's focus on the? new US/EU LIBERAL agenda for the Rustbelt. My suggestion: Education camps.
Education camps ?
I am confused.. isn't trump suppose to be the nazi ?
Ha .. I get it .. the true nazis are projecting ... been doing it for 4 years..
I am absolutely amazed at the power of the media to control and brainwash

Just remember this:
"If the main stream media supports your opinion or your movement
you are not the resistance."
Just remember this:
If the fringe, underground, incel and Q-Conspiracy supports your opinion and movement,
you are in a cult.
You can't argue with the majority. They have spoken.
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Main stream media brainwashed babies are so funny.
You should read this book;
https://www.amazon.com/They-Thought-.../dp/1541453808

(If you can read rather than be vile and offensive)
Quoting OutThere
Just remember this: If the fringe, underground, incel and Q-Conspiracy supports your opinion and movement, you are in a cult.
Wow!
Quoting Mingary
Main stream media brainwashed babies are so funny. You should read this book; https://www.amazon.com/They-Thought-.../dp/1541453808 (If you can read rather than be vile and offensive)
"Ivana Trump told her lawyer Michael Kennedy that from time to time her husband reads a book of Hitler's collected speeches, My New Order, which he keeps in a cabinet by his bed ... Hitler's speeches, from his earliest days up through the Phony War of 1939, reveal his extraordinary ability as a master propagandist."


You are one of the chosen ones. Don't let the media your friends or us tell you any different.
Quoting Dingoman-two
{quote} Thank you for your input mistaouting, I figured that much out, I was thinking more along the lines of those involved with the extremely strong push against Trump, as the media, then there's there supporters, I am sitting on the edge of my seat, I have to leave now due to an appointment but I will be back.
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Quoting Mingary
{quote} Says the democrat media complex propaganda ..
So Trump doesn't lie? The only politician in history that doesn't lie. Its just the media showing doctored video's of him actually doing what all politicians do?

You might as well be a Rev Jim Jones follower. What he and is propaganda complex tell you is the truth, which fits perfectly into your beliefs. Yet everyone else is controlled by the MSM complex. Trump is the truth in our world.

I think its more he is your guy. Jesus if you like. And you can't be wrong just like he can't. You surround yourself with what fits your truth. It does not have to be fact. Because if it was it destructs your whole thesis.

But I could just be talking out my arse due to MSM for breakfast.
Quoting enarco
{quote} So Trump doesn't lie? The only politician in history that doesn't lie. Its just the media showing doctored video's of him actually doing what all politicians do? You might as well be a Rev Jim Jones follower. What he and is propaganda complex tell you is the truth, which fits perfectly into your beliefs. Yet everyone else is controlled by the MSM complex. Trump is the truth in our world. I think its more he is your guy. Jesus if you like. And you can't be wrong just like he can't. You surround yourself with what fits your truth. It does...
Trump says some really stupid things.
The media is quick to label them as lies, or take is out of context to cause damage
It's been 4 years of non stop attacks and smears. Stress the negative, always hide the positive..
It seems that Biden likes to diddle littler girls if you want to believe it ..
Just believe whatever fits your narrative. It's called confirmation bias.
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Quoting Dingoman-two
{quote} The momentum builds
Momentum for what? what exactly is this pointless jumble of cherrypicked newscasts from fringe (Fox excepted) media and dingbat youtube channel clips supposed to evidence?
There is no widespread fraud. Reality Check? This is not 2000. There are no mass irregularities that could possibly change to election result. As DHL stated.. this is the most secure election ever.
So - as far as Mr Trump is concerned - Its over. Mr Biden has won convincingly by popular vote margin of over 5mio. At this stage Mr Trumps failure to conceded and allow transition to go forward is needlessly hazarding the economic security international reputation and stability of the US, and those who encourage that obstruction for ideological/party political gamesmanship are complicit in that hazarding.

In Post#1 here. @here2there made an important point we can ALL agree with.
That was 4 days ago. Now that Bird has flown.
IMHO Time for everyone to move on, and start to COOPERATE on dealing with this CV19 threat which is increasing out of control and threatening lives and prosperity of ALL Americans.
Quoting RossEdwards
{quote} Momentum for what? what exactly is this pointless jumble of cherrypicked newscasts from ring media and dingbat youtube channel clips supposed to evidence? There is no widespread fraud. There are no mass irregularities that could possible change to election result. Its over. Mr Biden has won convincingly by popular vote margin of over 5mio. At this stage Mr Trumps failure to conceded and allow transition to go forward is needlessly hazarding the economy security and stability of the US, and those who encourage that obstruction for ideological/party...
Stop,
And think about the disruption that would have come about if Trump was/is right,

Can you imagine the problems that It can cause in the election process, no one wants that,
do they,? So I guess no one will truly know the truth,

But I will support what another trader has posted, and that is the union disruptions that may come about if trump loses.

I don't care who wins as stated in an earlier post as long as things are done fairly,

But that's naive of me to think that such a thing will ever come about.

But that would not stop either party, whoever wins, from taking the high ground,
DONT YOU THINK.

I don't think the next 4 years are going to be that easy forever who wins.

Good luck to you all
Quoting Mingary
{quote} Trump says some really stupid things. The media is quick to label them as lies, or take is out of context to cause damage It's been 4 years of non stop attacks and smears. Stress the negative, always hide the positive.. It seems that Biden likes to diddle littler girls if you want to believe it .. Just believe whatever fits your narrative. It's called confirmation bias.
To iterate, yet again. The first news conference he labels CNN "Fake News" What do you expect? What would Trump do if he owned CNN? He would go to court. He would fight them tooth and nail all the way. Non stop. Get articles in the "Enquirer". Smear them every step of the way.

Here are the "smears" they should just look over.....

With regards to CNN they simply report the stupid shit he says. AND the lies. Crowd size at inauguration

“It’s going to disappear. One day, it’s like a miracle—it will disappear.” re Covid19.

Multiple times...again re Covid19.... “Coronavirus numbers are looking MUCH better, going down almost everywhere,” and cases are “coming way down.”

Barack Obama citizenship conspiracy. He has people in Hawaii looking into it and finding very interesting things.

Ted Cruz's father was involved in the Kennedy assination.

His electoral college win in 2016 was a landslide and 3 to 5 million votes were illegal

He said that Sessions and Rosenstein fired Comey and later came out saying he decided to do it.

Trump claimed in October 2017 he would eliminate the federal debt over eight years, even though it was $19 trillion at the time

Trump has repeatedly claimed that China or Chinese exporters were bearing the burden of his tariffs

Article 2 of the constitution allows him to do whatever he wants.

"If we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state," the report reads in part. "While this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him." re the Mueller report.Trump claimed full exoneration.

"The wall still, obviously, has a ways to go, but we’re building it at a breakneck speed,"
Anyone who thinks this is over should review Sydney Powell on Lou Dobbs.

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Well you are the one advocating that US folk "Roll over like good little Robots" to Trumps script
That in quite different context to the civic DUTY of citizens to respect and honor the results of the democratic election process. Lets see when Trump goes and is unable to use executive privilege to shield him from legitimate legal inquiry into his moral, business and tax history, ..and how this plays out.

Thats not the point for discussion here though. We are concerned here about the stability of markets and well being of the economy and the extent that relies on the stability of a smooth transition.
Mr Trumps behaviors over the next 60+ days is key to that.
Whos interests are more important - America or Trump? Given there is ZERO chance of result being overturned and a Trump second term, Bidens hammered him /EndOF
The recounts and legal challenges cited for Trumps failure to concede are BS.
Because hes in denial. America doesnt have time for Trump to consult his shrink.
America must come first and for all real patriots this political partisan game playing BS must end.
Quoting RossEdwards
US{quote} Well you are the one advocating that US folk "Roll over like good little Robots" Lets see when Trump goes and is unable to use executive privilege to shield him from legitimate legal inquiry into his moral, business and tax history, ..how this plays out. Thats not the point for discussion here though. We are concerned about the stability of markets and well being of the economy and the extent that relies on the stability of the transition. Mr Trumps behaviors over the next 60+ days is key to that. Whos interests are more important...
Time will tell, but for now my view is Orange jump suits are coming for quite a few.
The Election Fraud as only outlined by Sydney Powell is going to take down quite a bit of the Machine.

Rumored, US military operation seized servers from Sytl ( I may have misspelled this Corp. name) The home base of Dominion.

Patriots in US are acting and it is going to be Epic.

No amount of Bullshit from the Troll machine is going to divert attention as this unfolds.
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Oh BTW could you cut the rant language in these exchanges.
You just look like a crazy.
Quoting RossEdwards
{quote} Oh BTW could you cut the rant language in these exchanges. You just look like a crazy.
All the Troll work is coming undone.
Quoting foto
{quote} Time will tell, but for now my view is Orange jump suits are coming for quite a few. The Election Fraud as only outlined by Sydney Powell is going to take down quite a bit of the Machine. Rumored, US military operation seized servers from Sytl ( I may have misspelled this Corp. name) The home base of Dominion. Patriots in US are acting and it is going to be Epic. No amount of Bullshit from the Troll machine is going to divert attention as this unfolds.
How bloody stupid do people have to be to buy this sort of BS without confirmation?
And how brainwashed are you to insult the intelligence of FF members to propagate it here on FF?
Note:
1. The US military have no jurisdiction in the German Federal Republic.
Any raid would have to be conducted by German federal police under a legal warrant. The raid allegedly happened yesterday Thursday. However there is no report of any such raid in German media and is denied by German police.
2. According to Republican congressman Louis Gohmert who repeated in a videoconference it is "Twitter Rumor" and nothing more.
3. Sythe has made the following statement in response:
Following several erroneous statements that have been published in digital and social media, Scytl would like to clarify the following:
• The technologies implemented by Scytl in the US are both hosted and managed within the US by a local subsidiary, SOE Software, based in Tampa, Florida.
• We do not tabulate, tally or count votes in the US
• We do not provide voting machines in the US.
• We did not provide online voting to US jurisdictions for the US elections.
• We do not have servers or offices in Frankfurt.
• The US army has not seized anything from Scytl in Barcelona, Frankfurt or anywhere else
• We are not owned by George Soros and have never been connected to him
• We are not tied to Smartmatic, SGO, Dominion or Indra
• We have no ties with Russia either

Next time, Go post your BS on the Disney Channel. Your post is a disgrace.
Quoting RossEdwards
{quote} How bloody stupid do people have to be to buy this sort of BS without confirmation? And how brainwashed are you to insult the intelligence of FF members to propagate it here on FF? Note: 1. The US military have no jurisdiction in the German Federal Republic. Any raid would have to be conducted by German federal police under a legal warrant. The raid allegedly happened yesterday Thursday. However there is no report of any such raid in German media and is denied by German police. 2. According to Republican congressman Louis Gohmert who repeated...
A woman who is qualified to practice before US Supreme court has quite a bit more credentials then you.
This must be upsetting but reality has that effect.
This is all unfolding and long overdue.
I did say the Military involved was rumored. That Dominion is getting scrutinized there is no doubt.
That arrests are coming for violating Federal election laws is also going to happen.
Giuliani has also said the amount of fraud is beyond anything he has ever come across and he put away some truly bad actors while cleaning up NYC.

Nothing I have posted is untrue. You do not like truth and neither do the people behind you.
As Ronald Reagan said "facts are stubborn things"
Quoting foto
{quote} A woman who is qualified to practice before US Supreme court has quite a bit more credentials then you. This must be upsetting but reality has that effect. This is all unfolding and long overdue. I did say the Military involved was rumored. That Dominion is getting scrutinized there is no doubt. That arrests are coming for violating Federal election laws is also going to happen. Giuliani has also said the amount of fraud is beyond anything he has ever come across and he put away some truly bad actors while cleaning up NYC. Nothing I have...
And again I ask the question in this debate.

If this is truly widespread voter fraud then on the ballots why were the Republican Senators and Reps elected and only Trumps vote a wash? The logic part of this is what I have to question. If all the GOP candidates lost and it was a sweep in the house and senate then logic would tell me that ok have a look into it. But some conspiracy by the left or pro Dem forces to only oust Trump while ticking the boxes for the GOP in other races makes no sense.

And what exactly is Juliani going to say? Look until it's over you can bring up the trove of people who will support Trump in this. Why? There are 70 million people who will buy whatever it is they will have to sell going forward. I tell you that is what this is about. People lining up at the trough to sell shit like Alex Jones's power pills or books etc. Or politicians siding with the votes of this mob. And it is a Mob.

This mob has created an entire genre in news. And its a genre. Its not news its a purposeful direct marketing plan to feed people exactly what they want to hear. And its simply genius from a business standpoint. The debates here simply prove its power and efficiency.

Proof....4 years ago it was Trump winning the biggest landslide ever. Same results for the other side this time and its all a fraud. You can't make this shit up.
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Quoting enarco
{quote} And again I ask the question in this debate. If this is truly widespread voter fraud then on the ballots why were the Republican Senators and Reps elected and only Trumps vote a wash? The logic part of this is what I have to question. If all the GOP candidates lost and it was a sweep in the house and senate then logic would tell me that ok have a look into it. But some conspiracy by the left or pro Dem forces to only oust Trump while ticking the boxes for the GOP in other races makes no sense. And what exactly is Juliani going to say? Look...
https://globalintelhub.com/large-sca...idential-race/

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Quoting RossEdwards
As an non-American observer, ploughing through the morass of propaganda, claim and counter claim, here, IOHO non american traders best ignore all this...except on an entertainment basis. The salient points for more serious analysis are... 1. Donald Trump has lost the Presidency. His failure to concede is embarrassing and all serious legal analysis weve seen from US derides the mass fraud allegations underlying his stated reason for his refusal. 90% of international leaders and countries have recognized that Biden will be next POTUS. The game is...
RossGaspEdwards, you make an interesting point...the down ballot Republicans did very well. The D's predicted the R's would lose 20 house seats...instead the R's will end up hold ALL their seats and flipping between 10 and 14 from D to R. This means Pelosi may lose her speakership because many D's voted against her the last time and will likely join the R's and vote for someone else for speaker. A few D's have already publicly stated they will be voting with the R's.
People seem to have forgotten that the US election will not be certified until December 14 at the earliest. So there is NO president elect until that certification is done. It's been this way for a couple hundred years. Hasn't changed this year even though the media is telling everyone there is a president elect. There isn't.
Quoting CashBox
People seem to have forgotten that the US election will not be certified until December 14 at the earliest. So there is NO president elect until that certification is done. It's been this way for a couple hundred years. Hasn't changed this year even though the media is telling everyone there is a president elect. There isn't.
it seems the betting sites have not paid out on the US Presidential election as there has not been a legally declared winner. I'm wondering how the markets will behave over the next few weeks and possibly two or three months before this gets resolved. (no, i didn't bet.)
here's the article on the betting sites not paying out yet: https://www.gamblingsites.org/news/b...tion-winnings/
Quoting CashBox
People seem to have forgotten that the US election will not be certified until December 14 at the earliest. So there is NO president elect until that certification is done. It's been this way for a couple hundred years. Hasn't changed this year even though the media is telling everyone there is a president elect. There isn't.
If you're interested in how your elections are staged all over the world, here's a 45 min video of how the software works:
https://globalintelhub.com/large-sca...idential-race/
Quoting CashBox
People seem to have forgotten that the US election will not be certified until December 14 at the earliest. So there is NO president elect until that certification is done. It's been this way for a couple hundred years. Hasn't changed this year even though the media is telling everyone there is a president elect. There isn't.
If you want real US election info you'll find it on TheGatewayPundit dotcom
Pretty amazing what's going on...there are pages and pages of breaking stories.
Quoting Dingoman-two
{quote} https://globalintelhub.com/large-sca...idential-race/ https://youtu.be/ficae6x1Q5A
That's a fantastic video! Lays out how the Governor of Kentucky lost his re-election in 2018 by around 5,500 votes while the other state wide Republican candidates for other offices won by over 200,000 votes.
It's exactly what's coming out now about the 2020 election and they document the process of how the software is used to steal elections all over the world.
Quoting asking
{quote} Lies after lies came out of this man , and you still believe him ? It's only rigged if he lost the election .
I GUESS "LYING" IS "US-MEDIA" MARK + "DEMOCRATIC PARY" MARK

there are may signs of election fruadality
Quoting asking
{quote} Lies after lies came out of this man , and you still believe him ? It's only rigged if he lost the election .
Could you write up a list of lies for us? Asking for a friend. : )
Quoting RossEdwards
{quote} How bloody stupid do people have to be to buy this sort of BS without confirmation? And how brainwashed are you to insult the intelligence of FF members to propagate it here on FF? Note: 1. The US military have no jurisdiction in the German Federal Republic. Any raid would have to be conducted by German federal police under a legal warrant. The raid allegedly happened yesterday Thursday. However there is no report of any such raid in German media and is denied by German police. 2. According to Republican congressman Louis Gohmert who repeated...
"If you do not look, you do not find." Read throught TheGatewayPundit dotcom for overwhelming info on election fraud and the same fraud applies to voting in your country.
There are over 100 articles there that show how the voting software worked to delete votes, assign a certain % of absentee ballots to Trump that would allow Biden to win, flipped votes from Trump to Biden, shows how absentee ballots were run through multiple times, trump ballets thrown in the trash, poll judges locked out of the polling rooms, polling judges kept so far away from the tables that they could not do their jobs, over 120,000 extra absentee ballots showing up in the middle of the night in Michigan, over 600,000 ballots being in question in PA, a plumbing leak that wasn't in the ballot working area nor was there a work order done for the leak that miraculously repaired itself 4 hours later, etc, etc, etc,
And EVERY SINGLE ISSUE WENT BIDEN'S WAY...IT'S IMPOSSIBLE.

So, again, you have to get past what the media and social media are telling you...it's all a lie. The D's and the media and social media are running for their lives this election.
Quoting CashBox
{quote} "If you do not look, you do not find." Read throught TheGatewayPundit dotcom for overwhelming info on election fraud and the same fraud applies to voting in your country. There are over 100 articles there that show how the voting software worked to delete votes, assign a certain % of absentee ballots to Trump that would allow Biden to win, flipped votes from Trump to Biden, shows how absentee ballots were run through multiple times, trump ballets thrown in the trash, poll judges locked out of the polling rooms, polling judges kept...
RossGaspEdwards, The Global Reset you've been calling for and backing for all these months is NOT going to reset the way your masters want it to. It's turning out to be a GLOBAL REAWAKENING.
Additionally, Kenny said that while the plaintiffs relied "on numerous affidavits from election challengers who paint a picture of sinister fraudulent activities occurring" at the TCF Center in Detroit, the challengers didn't attend a training session on Oct. 29, and as a result, they "did not have a full understanding of the TCF absent ballot tabulation process," per Bloomberg. The judge added that the "plaintiffs' interpretation of events is incorrect and not credible."



They didn't bother attending a training session.
Monitoring the election wasn't the real purpose.
Making a fuss about it was the real aim.

Fortunately, judges see beyond these ploys.

https://news.yahoo.com/michigan-judg...213359893.html
Quoting CashBox
{quote} "If you do not look, you do not find." Read throught TheGatewayPundit dotcom for overwhelming info on election fraud and the same fraud applies to voting in your country. There are over 100 articles there that show how the voting software worked to delete votes, assign a certain % of absentee ballots to Trump that would allow Biden to win, flipped votes from Trump to Biden, shows how absentee ballots were run through multiple times, trump ballets thrown in the trash, poll judges locked out of the polling rooms, polling judges kept...
Forget about the media ..
Everything published whether the mainstream media or your fringe platforms .. can be disputed. All print secondhand stories, with MSM mostly verified and confirmed and in the case of much of the fringe media which feed your belief systems..unverified conspiracy, and rumor inspired propaganda .

Lets instead look to the statements and judgement of US the Governments own appointed institutions.. like the Department of Homeland security particularly their Cyber Security divisions who have for a decade kept America safe from terrorism domestic and foreign and whos statements CAN be relied on?
They have stated unambiguously that the whole systemic voter fraud story has no legs and said the 2020 election has been the most secure in American history..
last week the NYT called election security oicials in EVERY state of the Union and representing both political parties were advised unanimously that they had no evidence that fraud or other irregularities played a role in the outcome of the presidential race.

Start here ..CYBERSECURITY & INFRASTRUCTURE SECURITY AGENCY
https://www.cisa.gov/rumorcontrol

NYT report of research poll of state official representing BOTH political Parties..
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/10/u...ing-fraud.html
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Quoting RossEdwards
{quote} Forget about the media .. Everything published whether the mainstream media or your fringe platforms .. can be disputed. All print secondhand stories, with MSM mostly verified and confirmed and in the case of much of the fringe media which feed your belief systems..unverified conspiracy, and rumor inspired propaganda . Lets instead look to the statements and judgement of US the Governments own appointed institutions.. like the Department of Homeland security particularly their Cyber Security divisions who have for a decade kept America safe...
Cybersecurity division wasn't started until the Summer of 2018, not a decade ago unless you're counting in dog years.
It's interesting that you would bring up the guy at Cyber who hasn't protected the vote and was brought up on charges last week and is likely to be fired this week. Great example you've provided for us. You never let me down with your lack of facts. I appreciate how easy you make it for people to prove you wrong.
And, yes, let's trust the NY Times. An America hating newspaper.
Here's an example of how he didn't protect the vote:
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...ey-marc-elias/

here's another way he didn't protect the vote in 30 states. you know, where he knew the dominion software wasn't safe to use:
https://www.independentsentinel.com/...rone-to-fraud/

You might want to be quiet and walk away from this thread...the facts are not going well for you.
Quoting Dingoman-two
{quote} https://globalintelhub.com/large-sca...idential-race/ https://youtu.be/ficae6x1Q5A
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Quoting CashBox
{quote} Cybersecurity division wasn't started until the Summer of 2018, not a decade ago unless you're counting in dog years. It's interesting that you would bring up the guy at Cyber who hasn't protected the vote and was brought up on charges last week and is likely to be fired this week. Great example you've provided for us. You never let me down with your lack of facts. I appreciate how easy you make it for people to prove you wrong. And, yes, let's trust the NY Times. An America hating newspaper. Here's an example of how he didn't protect the...
1. I referred to the DHS as a whole defending America successfully for over a decade. I know when CySec was established.
2. Raffensperger is a Republican State official. He does not work for DHS.
3. Lin Wood has entered a case against Raffensperger. If it has the same success rate as the rest of the Trump alleged fraud cases its toast.
4, Dominion Voting Systems was used in at least 24 states in November 2020 election including states where DT won. Dominion software has been cleared by DHS CySec. Texas certifies Hart software. Hardly surprising since its a Texas company based in Austin. Hart has been involved in a number of high profile investigations and legal challenges abut its associations with Republican party.Note: During voting for the 2018 Texas general election, an Election Advisory was issued by the Director of Elections, Keith Ingram. "Voters using the InterCivic eSlate voting machine could have their votes adjusted or flipped while on a summary page if the buttons were interacted with if the page was not fully rendered"
Quoting RossEdwards
{quote} 1. I referred to the DHS as a whole defending America successfully for over a decade. I know when CySec was established. 2. Raffensperger is a Republican State official. He does not work for DHS. 3. Lin Wood has entered a case against Raffensperger. If it has the same success rate as the rest of the Trump alleged fraud cases its toast. 4, Dominion Voting Systems was used in at least 24 states in November 2020 election including states where DT won. Dominion software has been cleared by DHS CySec. Texas certifies Hart software. Hardly surprising...
rossGASPeddie, run this one up your chain of comrad command and see what they think of it:

Proof of Conspiracy to Steal the US Presidential Election

Per a lawsuit filed in Georgia, it appears the Georgia rino marxist secretary of state signed a secret deal with Hillary Clinton's attorney to change how absentee ballots would be processed in the state. This was signed on March 3 so it would have likely been in the negotiation stage in February or even before that time. This was an illegal agreement because the US Constitution specifically states that the state legislatures are in charge of establishing the rules and processes for voting. This means a state secretary of state can NOT make any rules or agreements contrary to the legislature's.

in my opinion, the March 3 date of the signed agreement establishes that the conspiracy to use the virus to steal the election was put together PRIOR to the virus getting bad and PRIOR to the lockdowns happening. In fact, US Speaker of the House Pelosi was in San Francisco's Chinatown making light of the china virus on Feb 24 and on March 30 Mayor DeBlasio was still downplaying the virus in New York City.

This suggests the D's had a plan in place for the virus to be used as a tool to induce lock downs in the future; meaning the lockdowns had not already begun prior to the signature on March 3. For the record, the first lockdown did not start until March 19 and was in California while Georgia did not lock down until April 3.

This also shows there was a plan in place to use the conspired and planned upcoming lock downs as the excuse to induce the use of mass absentee (mailed to voters and mailed back or dropped off in person by voters) ballots months before there could have even been a perceived need for them.

These two things together show the plan was in place to steal the election sometime in February or even before that.

So, we now know the china virus was used waaaaay in advance to commit treason by conspiring to steal the election.

Let's go one step further: Based on this information, in my opinion, it may now be possible to show the virus was put out on purpose by china/un/who/etc with the above intent. Discovery during this lawsuit could be used to prove this. But, watch for there to be an out of court settlement of this case so that no proof China/Who/UN/whomever else conspired to release the virus is allowed to come to light.


Lawsuit information is here: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...ey-marc-elias/
Falling apart like a house of cards. https://news.yahoo.com/project-verit...110001713.html
A must watch for all who are interested.

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Who does realize that in this crazy world of constant lies the overlap between satire and reality becomes so big, that a lot of people aren't able anymore to distinguish between them? How does satire work in an environment that is so filled with lies and bs - aka alternative facts - that it actually becomes a propaganda tool itself with the benefit of being labeled as satire in case of a lawsuit.

This can be waponized and actually it is waponized already. How?

One resent example is Mike Pompeo's remarks regaring the smooth transistion to an other Trump presidency. This statement does a lot in parallel.
It plays to the confirmation basis of the Trump cult members and Trump himself and reinforces them in the believes "the election is rigged - Trump has won - Trump will remain president".
It's done in a way to trigger an emotional and not a rational response from the oponents, because it is such an openly straight forward attack on truth that it hurts. It is the 180 degree opposite of political correctness, which is a proplem too if it's overdone, like it certainly was before the Trump era.

It's deployed in a satiric way to have a legal defence argument if the strategy fails, because at this point such a statement from Pompeo could and should be interpreted as part of a coup to overturn an election. So no wonder he exactly fell back on this in the aftermath - it was just a joke.

Annother example is babylon bee, a conservative, right wing satiric "news" publication. While satire can be and often is a lot of fun and might help you to start thinking critically about a topic or exposing hypocrisy, it can become very toxic if it has an underlying hidden agenda and bias. In this case it can used to activate the worst traits in people. Maybe in the beginning unintentionally, but at this point of stage those involved are certainly aware of the problem but still continue anyway. Their current success might blinding them about the long term consequences of their approach.

As soon as a significant portion of the public doesn't get it anymore that your content is actually satire, your reponsablity is to think about the conseqences of it and if you do that, you will understand that you might unlesh a monster that will eliminate it's creator, as soon as it has become strong enough to do so.

Expect more of this in the future and think about how this will end when reality strikes back.
"Time will real all folks"
Quoting Dingoman-two
"Time will real all folks"

Here's another one

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Quoting Dingoman-two
{quote} Here's another one https://youtu.be/RWBTvjgseLI
The hits just keep comeing

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Quoting CashBox
{quote} Could you write up a list of lies for us? Asking for a friend. : )
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It's the hoax , the Democrat hoax which kill 250.000 Americans . When you said you can't find the lies when the lies is so easy to find in the internet just like porn , you are a Trump cult . I don't need to argue with Trump cult.
Quoting Mingary
{quote} Hello there your wokeness, No need to go on about it, it's obvious you just love all that "cancel culture" (Is that satire or sarcasm? .... hmmmm )
Can you feel empathy, Mingary?

Looking at your answers it was always clear that you are not stupid in a general sense. However, something is clearly missing to explain your behaviour and statements. It starts to become clearer what it could be. It would explain why you are not repelled by Trumps extreme form of narcism, selfishness and egomania. You simply can't feel empathy and slip into the role of your opponent to understand his point of view. If your goals are alligned with Trumps in certain aspects, you cheer him no matter what. He could be a psychopathic mass murder (which he somehow is....). You wouldn't care and still support him if it advances your personal interests and agenda.

Wheter it was never there or got lost on the way, who knows, but you have reached a point where you are toxic to yourself and those around you. Your defense strategy to belittle my references and claim that his highness brain capacity is just dedicated to "deep thinkers" of an other level gets worn out, because you deployed it before.

If you don't get the difference between a Cenk Uygur and Alex Jones, the problem is serious. If you almost completely lack the ability to feel empathy it would explain why you don't get it. It would explain some the values you display and also the way you defend them. It would explain why you use reverse psychology approaches.

Being you, there is always the possibility that you just spin it. So happy to walk in my own shoes.

Thanks for... "Critical, original and independant thinking is not your thing." I really wish this would be the case sometimes.... selig, die arm sind im Geiste.

Do something productive and tell your lousy cult leader and natural born loser to concede.
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Quoting HudithePfupf
{quote} Can you feel empathy, Mingary? Looking at your answers it was always clear that you are not stupid in a general sense. However, something is clearly missing to explain your behaviour and statements. It starts to become clearer what it could be. It would explain why you are not repelled by Trumps extreme form of narcism, selfishness and egomania. You simply can't feel empathy and slip into the role of your opponent to understand his point of view. If your goals are alligned with Trumps in certain aspects, you cheer him no matter what. He...

If you don't get the difference between a Cenk Uygur and Alex Jones, the problem is serious

==>Yes I get the difference and I reject both.

Their only value for the "true believers" is a low and degraded form of entertainment. it's "News Porn"

And no, trump must not concede until it's time. The Democrat-media complex is again twisting the facts.
I('s only fair that he follows Hilary Clinton's advice, don't you agree ?

May you enjoy the righteousnes of your tribe for ever
Quoting Mingary
{quote} If you don't get the difference between a Cenk Uygur and Alex Jones, the problem is serious ==>Yes I get the difference and I reject both. Their only value for the "true believers" is a low and degraded form of entertainment. it's "News Porn" And no, trump must not concede until it's time. The Democrat-media complex is again twisting the facts. I('s only fair that he follows Hilary Clinton's advice, don't you agree ? May you enjoy the righteousnes of your tribe for ever
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https://www.ntd.com/election-contest...te_529747.html
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The "lincoln project" = totally discredited

https://www.newsbreak.com/news/16010...ated-news-show
Damage control guys? ... won't help!
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Where is are the trade calls and speculation?!

Trumps out, Biden's in, but Trumpy may have to be removed! wtf do we do?! Mingary, Dingo? What's the trade call?
Here is a project that some of the worshipers of the ex president need to get behind; https://www.kickstarter.com/projects...-executive-toy
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Quoting Guest
Where is are the trade calls and speculation?! Trumps out, Biden's in, but Trumpy may have to be removed! wtf do we do?! Mingary, Dingo? What's the trade call?
I am not really allowed to say what I want to,
So please take a close look at what it is that he is trying to do, (Sydney Powell)
Quoting Dingoman-two
{quote} I am not really allowed to say what I want to, So please take a close look at what it is that he trying to do, (Sydney Powell)

https://metaxastalk.com/video/k-t-mc...lection-unity/
it's important to realize that the election in the US has everything to do with trading in the future.

if the US becomes a marxist country via the election theft then traders will soon only have ONE currency, a world currency. you cannot trade one currency.

you will no longer have commodities to trade because they will be owned by the state.

you will no longer have stocks to trade because they will be owned by the state.

you will no longer have crypto's to trade...you guessed it...because they will be owned by the state.

Now let's talk about the hoax and how it's being used to steal the election in the US:

Is the reaction to the china virus a hoax?
Take a few minutes to research the china virus numbers in South Korea and Taiwan.
Now research how those two countries use actual test kits that were developed specifically for the virus.
Now compare how SK and T are doing things compared to the US.
Here's what you will find:
SK and T use a legitmate test, not a test that was developed for something else. Not a test where the developer of it stated via a youtubevideo "it can be made to say any result you want." The correct magnification for the PCR for the china virus is NOT 40. Guess who says to use 40 magnification? The UN/Who and the US CDC (the US CDC was put under the UN's Who in 2015). The correct maximum magnification is 36.
So, that's why the US and many other locked down freaking out countries have 90% of their tests coming back as false positives...a 40x magnification can pull something dead that's smaller than the human eye can see and make it seem like it's the china virus. It's not.

So, is the testing for the virus a hoax? Yes, testing for the china virus is a hoax. Are the number of deaths being given association to the china virus a hoax? Yes. In the US approximately 8,500 people have died from the china virus. Yes, every death is sad and death is not a hoax to those families. However, the REASONS for these people dying can be considered a hoax due to everything i'm listing here.

So, is the china virus a hoax? Where is the 'normal' flu? Why is there not a normal flu being found this year? Maybe because the testing being used can't tell the difference between the two?

It's not a hoax for people who are elderly where 5 democrat governors conspired to knowingly move elderly people with the virus from the hospital back to their nursing homes with the hopes of others being infected so they could drive up the deaths and the fear of the virus. 40% of US deaths were from these 5 governors. So, it is a hoax to the extent of how the deaths were manufactured. YES, the china virus is a hoax as to how the deaths and fear were manufactured.

How else is the china virus a hoax? When fauci and the cdc, who/UN, media, politicians crap on a medicine cocktail (malaria drug, zinc, zpak) that was and is being used by front line doctors and is saving lives it makes the results much worse than had they said, yes, let's use that far and wide unless or until something better is developed. Their reaction to proven life saving medicine all the way back at the beginning was, you guessed it, a hoax. And, do keep in mind that in 2005 Fauci was the boss at the IHI under the CDC and he managed the malaria drug and zinc testing that destroyed SARS. So, he is a hoax unto himself by the way he decided the malaria drug wouldn't work after he himself proved it. Let's scientifically compare SARS and the china virus for a moment per the CDC researcher's names for them. SARS's scientific name is SARS-CoV-1...wait for it...wait for it...the china virus's scientific name is SARS-CoV-2. YES, the way fauci, the cdc, the UN/who, bill gates, the media, the left politicians who obviously hate America, all KNOW they are in the middle of a hoax...because they're not being truthful about anything.

china shut down flights to other china destinations while allowing tens of thousands of people to leave on Wuhan flights to travel all over the world. so, is the way china allowed their citizens to go all over the world and infect everyone else while not allowing their citizens to infect the rest of china? yes, it's a hoax how china 'managed' the virus in a way that exported it to your country.

if you do not look for facts you will never find them. if every media outlet is saying the exact same thing, the same words, the same sentences...then it's normally a lie. One single media company puts the talking points out at 3:30am every day in the US. all the talking heads do is say what they're told to say. there is no real investigating. the news is just a paycheck, not real journalism.

for those of you who are being paid to be on here and spew your hatred of freedom...you do need to look at history. those who are the tools of moving a country to marxism are the ones who the marxists kill first because you are no longer needed. those who own a business or are millionaires or billionaires who think you will have a seat at the marxist leadership table...look at history...your business will be taken, your money will be take, you will be canceled. for those who actually are traders you will no longer be able to trade...there will be only one currency, no stocks, all commodities will be owned by the state. you also will be relegated to nothingness.

And, all because NONE of you stood up. NONE of you made your voices heard. Even the Jews screwed up during Hitler's regime. Oh, they're just removing the poor mentally disabled person, not me. That was my neighbor, not me. The next thing they knew they were on a train to the death chamber.

You are next!

So, boris, nowhere, huffnpuff, asking, rossGASPedwards, etc, read up on your history. Marxists always swallow their own first because you won't be a good enough marxist for the next wave of marxists.

The interesting thing is that I do NOT write this for the above mentioned paid mouthpieces who should be banned from ff forever. I write the information I put on here to help those who want to find a starting place for their own research.

There are tons more ways i can show the way the china virus is being used is a hoax. Here's a rough draft of an article I'm in the middle of writing. Please research it and prove it for yourself:

"Conspiracy to Commit Treason: How the virus was used to try to steal the election

According to a recently filed lawsuit by L. Lin Wood, it appears the Georgia Secretary of State signed a secret deal via Marc Elias of Perkins Coiea, a Hillary Clinton attorney, changing how absentee ballots were to be processed in the future (TheGatewayPundit). This was signed on March 3, 2020, suggesting it would likely have been negotiated in February or earlier. House Speaker Pelosi was in San Francisco's Chinatown making light of the china virus on February 24 and on March 30 Mayor DeBlasio was still downplaying the virus in New York City. Wikipedia states, “On March 2, coronavirus cases in the U.S. reach 100, including 48 from repatriated citizens from Wuhan or the Diamond Princess.”

Does the March 3 action establish a conspiracy to use the virus to steal the election? It seems to because the agreement on the absentee ballot changes was useless if massive numbers of absentee ballot were not going to be used and, therefore, the conspiracy to steal the election had to depend on a PRIOR plan that governors would make the virus a perceived concern by using PCR tests using 40x magnification instead of the proper lower magnification (compare the US with South Korea’s and Taiwan’s proper use of testing and their lack of cases and a low mortality rate), a PRIOR plan for lockdowns due to perceived fear of the virus, and a PRIOR knowledge they could take advantage of the March 3 changes to how absentee ballots were to be used IN THE FUTURE.

It’s easy to show more of the pre-meditated conspiracy to dupe Americans and the world because two months later, on May 8, 2020, conspiring democrat governor hopeful Stacy Abrams triggered the secret March 3 deal by using her non-profit to file what we now know to be a pre-planned lawsuit ‘against’ the friend of democrats, the Georgia Secretary of State, to seem to ‘force’ the use of absentee ballots for the November election.

The Democrats knew what was coming because they conspired and planned it, perhaps including purposefully placing hospitalized elderly virus patients back into nursing home facilities to infect others to drive up the mortality rate and fears. Does this mean the democrats did other things to extend the virus so they could win using a fraudulent absentee ballot election? Something like withholding medicines that would save lives, withholding vaccines that would save lives? Are democrats actually responsible for tens of thousands of deaths on top of the nursing home deaths in 5 democrat held states.

These things together result in showing a provable traitorous conspiracy was in place to use the virus to steal the election sometime by the end of February if not before that. A conspiracy is defined as two or more people planning to do an illegal act. Treason is defined as performing an illegal act to overthrow a government."

There is one more area I'm researching and will add to the article before it's published. i'm looing into a story that shows an ex-employee of the georgia secretary of state is an employee of dominion software, the software used in 30 states to compromise the election.
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You're delusional, deranged, and sad and I don't know why but that makes me happy. Keep at it mother fucker, you got four years to go. By then that brain will be nothing but cabbage.
Kisses!
Quoting Nick.
{quote} You're delusional, deranged, and sad and I don't know why but that makes me happy. Keep at it mother fucker, you got four years to go. By then that brain will be nothing but cabbage. Kisses!
Nick. When you have NEVER discussed trading in the 746+ posts you've made on FF and when you use the language you just used, you don't deserve to be on FF. Good bye.
Quoting Nick.
{quote} You're delusional, deranged, and sad and I don't know why but that makes me happy. Keep at it mother fucker, you got four years to go. By then that brain will be nothing but cabbage. Kisses!

Wow you can always tell when people lose the plot

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it's important to realize that the election in the US has everything to do with trading in the future. if the US becomes a marxist country via the election theft then traders will soon only have ONE currency, a world currency. you cannot trade one currency. you will no longer have commodities to trade because they will be owned by the state. you will no longer have stocks to trade because they will be owned by the state. you will no longer have crypto's to trade...you guessed it...because they will be owned by the state. Now let's talk about the...
The above. Right on!
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Pennsylvania Supreme Court Agrees to Review Cases of Election Irregularities

https://www.ntd.com/pennsylvania-sup...es_530042.html