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  • Trump suggests delaying election amid ‘fraud’ claims, but has no power to do so

    From cnbc.com

    Trump has no power to unilaterally delay elections, which are set for the first Tuesday in November through a 19th century law passed by Congress. As states grapple with how to let citizens vote safely during the coronavirus pandemic, many have turned to mail-in voting as a potential solution that allows people to cast their ballots without waiting in long lines at potentially crowded polling places. But Republicans, led by Trump, have strongly objected to expanding access to mail-in ballots, claiming without evidence that voting by mail invites voter fraud. Trump’s presidential campaign and the Republican National ... (full story)

No Donald and if you do indeed push this you will LOSE my vote.
A Bridge Too Far.
Alea iacta est.
that is very good decision for USA
Probability Win = 20% Lose = 80%
What a choice, between this and Just sign it there Joe Biden.

That is why tampering with US Constitution is strictly off Limits.
Not going to happen, even if Trump had a lot of support, nearly impossible to do legislatively and why would the Democrats let him delay an election he is losing?
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There is an old proverb

Something about reaping and sowing

cant remember how it goes
Then $$ Weak
Not necessary. If huge crowds can protest voting in person is completely safe.
Liar trump afraid.
So now the sitting president of the USA who has been throughout encouraging electoral rallys in his own support is suggesting that because he is losing at the polls that the democratic process of the November Presidential election should be delayed and thus subverted to his advantage?
America is in peril. And that means the free world is in peril.
IMHO This is the greatest threat to all America and its constitution stand for since the Civil War.
I cannot imagine the implications for Global financial market volatility if this looks even remotely possible
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Darn. Wanted to delay the vote so Trump would get an advantage.
More ups than downs
I think forex traders will follaw this poin dollar will become weak
He try to be a dictator, he bully every nation in the world, and now he still wants his way with people of USA........... I hope he does not get his way.
Hmmm....Trump vs Covid! Which one more dangerous?
Demo = Demon
"We need States to open"...... "We need the schools to open" ..... "It's not safe to vote"

"Delay the Election until people can properly, securely and safely vote???" No, just the schools. Those are our children.
Of all the posts my gets censored for what? Attempting to explain in a rationale manner what happened.

The world is full of way too many liberals. I guess Ayn Rand was right after all:


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...because you never know - until you do!
So, back in 2016 we had to choose between a Crook and a Clown.

This time we choose between a Old Crony and the Clown, is this the best we can do? God help us...
Quoting fxsport
The world is full of way too many liberals.
Those are not real liberals. Liberal is happy to discuss different opinions. Those who try to silence other people's opinions and only present theirs as the right ones, are called fascists. Started the same way in Germany...
Everyone can see the chart, but only a few can actually read it.
Quoting Fix-it
He try to be a dictator, he bully every nation in the world, and now he still wants his way with people of USA........... I hope he does not get his way.
Did you say “He try to be”....?
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Quoting fxsport
Of all the posts my gets censored for what? Attempting to explain in a rationale manner what happened. The world is full of way too many liberals. I guess Ayn Rand was right after all: {image}
What is a world without healthy arguments and opinions
Delay? Why not just move it up. How's tomorrow work for you? We need to get rid of your treasonous traitor a$$ as soon as possible.
Follow the money --Mark Felt (Deepthroat)
As predicted. Unless he can again play the house, (one lesson he at least learned from his failed casino) he will try to cancel the election completely (assuming he can get that by under the idea that there has to be a viable vaccination already deployed). So 'extraordinary measures for extraordinary times' - until its 'safe' ... but for who. Echos of Marathon Man ...
Thank you very much Trump, for the volatility and most important the"Chess Move Trigger". Either you up your IQ and opinion or you brain scatter/implode.
Just declare going out to vote a BLM protest act and Boom! - totally safe to do it
Another stupidity from Donald. I stayed away from making comments on him last 2-3 months as I need to be very active all time then, but sometimes my fingers and laptop moves automatically faster than my discipline....I could not help it...LOL.
On this proposal that is made as "food for the media" Firstly, he is promoting his own campaign gatherings all over US (like Ross points out too), and he expresses no need to wear masks from time to time. Secondly, the Corona has, according to him not been a huge problem and the USA control it very good now, and improving every day ( I think he reads the curves upside down) It is a plain lie and one of the worst country control all over the Planet, including his "shithole countries"...(?!?). The statistics tells us, even it is not accurate and we should skip 60-70% of the funny reports coming from some of them, but USA are comparable to majorities of European countries, UK, Aussie, etc. and it is in the neighborhood), so in a few months (voting date) there should not be a problem, right?. And his "witch doctor" can help him on this....LOL. He expresses a series of quotes there too: I dont know her, but she is a "trumpmendous" lady....she told me we have the cure, the Malaria tabs, remember, I told you long time ago....so it must be true (he dont give up on the Malaria tabs....guess his tin soldiers invested heavily in the Pharmacy company selling this ?!)....Lastly, how has it become that the Democrats or the Election committee can cheat more than the Republicans, or the Donald team sitting closer to the process ?!? And with todays technology, it is not possible to control.....come on. The difference is going to be large, and not a thin difference between them. His acts last months secure this. It is the best campaign Biden could have. He just need to sit still and do less to mess it up. Donald makes it happening for him.
From this, dont get me wrong, I am not a fan of Biden at all, but out of 2 evils....etc. A very relevant and more important question is how a large industrialized country with some 340 mill people only can come up with these two guys? Anyway, that is another important discussion and for some hundreds of million people and voters to reflect over.
One thing for certain forward, it is going to be boring days in 2021, and thereon, and I will miss the Donald Comic show.
Donald perhaps you might have to actually Run a campaign and show American people why you are the better candidate.
Push for a Debate with Joe Biden where thinking on feet is more important then running off at mouth.
he was aware of his defeat and tried to delay it
Focus & RElax
Trump, you are fired!
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LOL - Don't you guys get it - He's playing the Dems and if you all are anything like them - think of how they are reacting. He's trying to get them to say OK OK let's allow people to come to the polls, just like he's wanting to open other things up. I'm not saying its right - but it's a game - if he got the public riled up think of how the Dems will move on this. They will definitely get pushing LOL this is comical.
Quoting Lamplighter
As predicted. Unless he can again play the house, (one lesson he at least learned from his failed casino) he will try to cancel the election completely (assuming he can get that by under the idea that there has to be a viable vaccination already deployed). So 'extraordinary measures for extraordinary times' - until its 'safe' ... but for who. Echos of Marathon Man ...
Will you PLEASE come on and apologize on November 4th, 2020 AFTER the election takes place?

What other PREDICTIONS have you made that were false - I sure didn't read THIS prediction that you had, which is incorrect as well. NOTHING has been cancelled, nothing has changed EXCEPT someone (POTUS) talked about the elephant in the room.
...because you never know - until you do!
apparently I am unable to quote you so as to respond.

Fxsport I have defended Trump numerous times but the way I read the tweet he calls for a delay.
Whatever the motive or game it is flat out wrong for sake of convenience to alter US Constitution and way it is applied for that opens door to the next time for convenience sake we just disregard our foundational principles.
This is just as abusive as Pelosi, Schumer, Nadler and the rest to use position of power to railroad people giving testimony.

He wanted the Job and he got it. Man up to the position and deal with whatever gets thrown at you.
Do the best possible and leave the rest to the higher power.
He is the Leader of the American people he must Trust in their judgement as they are the ones who then must live with the outcome. If they do not like the outcome then pain is a great learning experience provider,
This is a "out of the ordinary" circumstance and don't need to be repeat. Trump is right, extend it as long as possible, Biden may just-just run out of fuel until then.
If made, as is very unlikely and will be the first time in history if a Presidental election is delayed, not even during the Civil War, it was. Also coinciding with the largest quarterly drop in GDP in history (Note: US started "re-open" in mid May). Corona or not....some track record.
You lot are hilarious Your man Tweets and it gets you yanks in a tailspin. A bit like us europeans last four years on any headline with BREXIT in it........
The elites think we are stupid. They are in the main quite correct.
Quoting livetotrade
LOL - Don't you guys get it - He's playing the Dems and if you all are anything like them - think of how they are reacting. He's trying to get them to say OK OK let's allow people to come to the polls, just like he's wanting to open other things up. I'm not saying its right - but it's a game - if he got the public riled up think of how the Dems will move on this. They will definitely get pushing LOL this is comical.
hehe ikr?
Meanwhile, the president is hawking strip mall pizza.
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Quoting fxsport
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There is an election commission they have a purpose, to ensure a fair and level playing field. Hold 'their' feet to the fire of Honesty and make sure that construct has not been corrupted as other Federal agencies have been.
Most Americans are quite moral and hold high standards. They also are voting for an ability to make a Call, to Judge true and clear. We are not privy nor have say in what happens in the Oval Office other then by Ballot, an election is won or lost by the peoples perception of how who they vote for will decide issues of National import.
If he wants a second term rise above the Fray and demonstrate a Command that can be Trusted.
A Senile opponent who will be there to merely rubber stamp whatever a party controlled legislature decides is not much an opponent..... Just sign right there Joe Biden, no Joe on this line.

A Robust President should be an easy sell without playing in the same dirt from the other side.
Mail-in voting and absentee voting are the same thing. Trump is making a distinction without a difference. Anyway, his idea won't pass the legislative process. There is no way the House under Speaker Pelosi would ever agree to such a thing.
Even Republicans aren't with him on this one. Here's a blurb from CNN:

"Washington (CNN) - A large number of congressional Republicans, including members of House and Senate leadership, openly rejected President Donald Trump's suggestion Thursday that November's presidential election should be delayed, a move that the President would have no authority to make because the Constitution gives Congress the power to set the date for voting."

Perhaps Trump should read the Constitution......
Quoting fxsport
Of all the posts my gets censored for what? Attempting to explain in a rationale manner what happened. The world is full of way too many liberals. I guess Ayn Rand was right after all: {image}
RUSSIAN educated Ayn Rand, lol how apt!

Why does Drump now believe that "everyone" hates him? Did he get wind that Putin may find Biden easier to fkk around with, and has decided not to interfere like in 2016?

Drump is a massive threat, ironically will be no more than a foot-note in the history books, like Warren G. Harding only remembered as a con-man.
I demand a FOUR YEAR delay in the election so Trump can serve THREE terms!!! To hell with the leftie CROOKS!!!
Quoting UnBearybull
{quote} RUSSIAN educated Ayn Rand, lol how apt! Why does Drump now believe that "everyone" hates him? Did he get wind that Putin may find Biden easier to fkk around with, and has decided not to interfere like in 2016? Drump is a massive threat, ironically will be no more than a foot-note in the history books, like Warren G. Harding only remembered as a con-man.
What a dumb post! More reason to delay the elections for 4 or 8 more years!
Quoting gravitist
Mail-in voting and absentee voting are the same thing. Trump is making a distinction without a difference. Anyway, his idea won't pass the legislative process. There is no way the House under Speaker Pelosi would ever agree to such a thing.
That is a LIE and UNTRUE.

You mail in absentee ballots that are verified and sent to registered voters only upon request.

Mail-in voting occurs when ballots are mass mailed to ALL residents in a district. They are unverified, can be stolen, not delivered, etc.,

They are totally different.
...because you never know - until you do!
Now usd is the weakest currency in the damn market
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Now usd is the weakest currency in the damn market
This is a good thing. It makes foreign made chinese junk too expensive to buy and makes American products cheaper to buy. Great for the economy!
Donald, why don’t you make changes to the constitution and elect yourself for life. Look at Putin and Xi. That’s the way to do it man. You already show impressive signs of being a dictator. So why not fuck up what’s left of the democracy and join Putin and Xi for a ruskaja troika?! That would be the beginning of the end.
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Quoting NotAtrader
Donald, why don’t you make changes to the constitution and elect yourself for life. Look at Putin and Xi. That’s the way to do it man. You already show impressive signs of being a dictator. So why not fuck up what’s left of the democracy snd join Putin and Xi for a ruskaja troika?! That would be the beginning of the end.
Did I just say that?!!! Can you imagine Trump forever? 🤮🤮🤮
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Quoting fxsport
Of all the posts my gets censored for what? Attempting to explain in a rationale manner what happened. The world is full of way too many liberals. I guess Ayn Rand was right after all: {image}
Tried qouting your earlier Post, which I must say makes sense to me...
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There was question marks at the end of that tweet but to all those triggered, ...."I think you should protest." (grin)
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Quoting gravitist
Even Republicans aren't with him on this one. Here's a blurb from CNN: "Washington (CNN) - A large number of congressional Republicans, including members of House and Senate leadership, openly rejected President Donald Trump's suggestion Thursday that November's presidential election should be delayed, a move that the President would have no authority to make because the Constitution gives Congress the power to set the date for voting." Perhaps Trump should read the Constitution......
Did you just quote something from CNN? Oh, my goodness gracious..... Lord have mercy.. (grin)
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I have checked Trump and everything about him and i have found him not guilty of anything.So funny people don't understand this man.He just gave his Enemies an assignment to do and they are running helter-skelter
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Quoting YahiaBrown
Now usd is the weakest currency in the damn market
So what? All currencies move up and down. Have you ever seen one that has held a fixed relative position?

The Crow (-_-)
A test was done with faux ballots in Philadelphia. The results showed 21% were "lost" in the mail.

Trump is right but there will not be a delay. There will be numerous contested results and lawsuits regarding who should be seated.

Mail in voting is a bad idea from the start. Iraq held a successful election with purple thumbs. With all the early voting we should do something along the same line.
Quoting gat
A test was done with faux ballots in Philadelphia. The results showed 21% were "lost" in the mail. Trump is right but there will not be a delay. There will be numerous contested results and lawsuits regarding who should be seated. Mail in voting is a bad idea from the start. Iraq held a successful election with purple thumbs. With all the early voting we should do something along the same line.
Does that mean that 21% of all mail is lost?
Quoting gat
A test was done with faux ballots in Philadelphia. The results showed 21% were "lost" in the mail. Trump is right but there will not be a delay. There will be numerous contested results and lawsuits regarding who should be seated. Mail in voting is a bad idea from the start. Iraq held a successful election with purple thumbs. With all the early voting we should do something along the same line.
I don't seem to be able to find anything on this. Can you post links about this test pls?
Probably this one. Real science at work here
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-1...nted-election/
Quoting mkjenna
Probably this one. Real science at work here https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-1...nted-election/
They did 2 mailings of 100 each. The first batch had 97% return after a week and the second batch had 79% return after only 4 days. To say 21% were lost is misleading.

It is advised for voters to send their votes at the very least one week before deadline. Basically if they cut it too close, they stand a chance that their vote won't count.

Considering the last minute voters encompass all voters regardless of their political leanings, the number of late voters should wash each other out. Basically the focus should be on 'vote early' instead of 'don't vote because it's rigged' claims.
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Errr Yea right....ABSENTEE Ballots are only constitutional when the POTUS does it....

So does precedence validate the process or the incidence?

When POTUS votes using Mail-in is the vote valid or mail-in invalid?
Outhere sets the record straight.

The results are in line with what I would expect. If I place my vote in letter box 4 days before election that is emptied twice a week and ask myself why a my vote isn't counted I can't cry the system is rigged.

In Switzerland up to 90% in some cantons vote by mail - tendence rising. I think it is much safer than vote online, because you have physical evidence with signatures. I never experienced one single mail that hasn't been delivered if I wrote a correct adress on it. If I did it wrong the mail is returned marked as not deliverable. With little extra money I can track the letter online and get a delivery notice when it arrived. I can sign in the letter and then it is virtually impossible that a letter isn't delivered and a legal proof that it has been delivered.
Quoting OutThere
{quote} They did 2 mailings of 100 each. The first batch had 97% return after a week and the second batch had 79% return after only 4 days. To say 21% were lost is misleading. It is advised for voters to send their votes at the very least one week before deadline. Basically if they cut it too close, they stand a chance that their vote won't count. Considering the last minute voters encompass all voters regardless of their political leanings, the number of late voters should wash each other out. Basically the focus should be on 'vote early' instead...
Quoting HudithePfupf
Outhere sets the record straight. The results are in line with what I would expect. If I place my vote in letter box 4 days before election that is emptied twice a week and ask myself why a my vote isn't counted I can't cry the system is rigged. In Switzerland up to 90% in some cantons vote by mail - tendence rising. I think it is much safer than vote online, because you have physical evidence with signatures. I never experienced one single mail that hasn't been delivered if I wrote a correct adress on it. If I did it wrong the mail is returned...
I love to blame Trump for literally anything bad that happens in the world. (I lost my keys this morning, no doubt it's his fault)
But here is a research that was done in 2006 .. oops, way before Trump had anything to say about "Mail-in voting"

I feel pretty bad I can't put an "Orange man bad" on this research so that it can be automatically discredited.

http://www.ejfi.org/Voting/Voting-78.htm
Quoting Mingary
{quote} {quote} I love to blame Trump for literally anything bad that happens in the world. (I lost my keys this morning, no doubt it's his fault) But here is a research that was done in 2006 .. oops, way before Trump had anything to say about "Mail-in voting" I feel pretty bad I can't put an "Orange man bad" on this research so that it can be automatically discredited. http://www.ejfi.org/Voting/Voting-78.htm
Stop sucking orange pus.
Quoting OutThere
{quote} Stop sucking orange pus.
The TDS is strong with you.
I encourage you to do your own fact checking. This way you won't look so stupid.
Come on Mingary,

Trump has become by his own countless lies and all the garbage he tweets all day long the greatest natural born loser of all times.... you don't need a single article of the "fake" news media to come to that conclusion. He doesn't deserve any attention.... whenever he opens his mouth someone should tell him to go to hug a fking tree.

It is a negative sum game for losers to trust pathological liars - you should know that by now.

The arguments listed in your link against mail voting in America are shocking and the source seems to be pretty trusthworthy with an interest to improve the situation and little political bias. America looks like a third world country. A civilized, well organized country does have a functioning mail in voting process in 2020 - no excuses! You have the biggest tech companies but you can't organize a presidential election? How much money is spent in a presidential election? Billions? But no money to make sure the election process even works without major errors?

I still remember the Bush Junior desaster in Florida..... everybody in Europe was just shaking their heads in disbelieve about how bad the election seemed to be organized...... America had about 20 years to fix this... you tell me it is still the same mess in 2020?

Why not join politics Mingary and help to improve the voting by mail process so it works in 2024?

Laugh this guy out of office....
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Quoting HudithePfupf
Come on Mingary, Trump has become by his own countless lies and all the garbage he tweets all day long the greatest natural born loser of all times.... you don't need a single article of the "fake" news media to come to that conclusion. He doesn't deserve any attention.... whenever he opens his mouth someone should tell him to go to hug a fking tree. It is a negative sum game for losers to trust pathological liars - you should know that by now. The arguments listed in your link against mail voting in America are shocking and the source...
"Why not join politics Mingary and help to improve the voting by mail process so it works in 2024?"

Yes I agree, fix the voting by mail for 2020 and then Trump out of the office in 2024
Quoting Mingary
{quote} Yes I agree, fix the voting by mail for 2020 and then Trump out of the office in 2024
Instead of out of the office in 2024 it rather could be into jail in 2021....

If your personal attorny and fixer burried your crimes over decades while he has already be sentenced to jail because of a very small part of it and New York federal prosecutors concluded that the President of the United States already committed a felony.... you should expect more to come.... you can't indict a sitting president, but as soon as he loses this protection all hell will break loose.

Dumpy is silent about Cohen at the moment.... if Cohens book would just be hot air, his twitter dumbs would be in overdrive. Some very serious allegations are already out in the public - Cohen would face a catastrophic defamation lawsuit if he doesn't have the evidence to back it up and common, he is a lawyer and should know this stuff. So currently the only way to stay out of jail for a while is to win the election.
The current middle east "peace deal" between UAE and Israel is likely a nothing burger. Just look how it will further develope till the end of the year. Bibi already relativated that they just put the occupation on hold and will not suspend it - the occupation by itself is a ridiculus thing. Have you seen the presser with all lackies one by one congratulating Trump what a genius he is.... it was so unreal.


Look, every step towards peace is a good thing, but a fake step towards peace just for marketing purpose and manipulation is a disaster an I fear this exactly the case. The US has power - look at the Ukranian president and his reaction.... nobody wants to go into direct conflict, especially if the end of Trump is near.
Quoting HudithePfupf
{quote} Instead of out of the office in 2024 it rather could be into jail in 2021.... If your personal attorny and fixer burried your crimes over decades while he has already be sentenced to jail because of a very small part of it and New York federal prosecutors concluded that the President of the United States already committed a felony.... you should expect more to come.... you can't indict a sitting president, but as soon as he loses this protection all hell will break loose. Dumpy is silent about Cohen at the moment.... if Cohens...
No, Trump won't be going to jail if he loses the election.
The plan is to kick him out of the office and that is all. He has been a nuisance for the last 4 years. An anomally that must be corrected
They are trying with all they can throw at him and nothing is sticking. Cohen's book won't change that.
Available on September 8, how convenient.. (:
As far as the UAE / Israel deal, you should have a serious look at the non-bias non-usa press (start with the UAE and Israel) on this issue. That might open your mind.
Quoting Mingary
{quote} a serious look at the non-bias non-usa press (start with the UAE and Israel) on this issue. That might open your mind.
We are talking about Isreal is temporarly suspending their efforts to annex occupied territory in the West Bank (and Golan heights...). They first escalated the problem with illegal settlement, probably backed by the current white house and now agreed to stop the escalation temporarly....

Ask the Palestinans and the Syrians - it's their territory - what they think about this. Oh wait, those really affected havn't been part of this "historic" peace deal... ?

So this deal is not historic, it's mainly a PR stunt (documented with a very strange presser and a...licking contest in the WH), best case a small step in the right direction, mainly based on the logic the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

You asked me to look at non biased press. That's no easy task. So I looked how anti war groups judge the deal. At least it's their core purpose to further peace.... so they should be able to judge a peace deal.

https://original.antiwar.com/mbenjamin/2020/08/13/dont-be-hoodwinked-by-trumps-uae-israel-peace-deal/

This is a fact and logic based analysis of the current situation . The critic towards Joe Biden is justified too.

On an international level Trumps reputation is and will stay forever fubar. Most people in Europe don't care about his fate but they care about the fate of the American people and the future of democracies.
After 1,400,000+ views, it seems youtube has taken down the video exposing part of the establishment cabal, but here it is on the banned videos website:
https://banned.video/channel/millie-weaver

or do an internet search for banned video millie weaver Shadow Gate. the full video is there
Quoting HudithePfupf
{quote} Instead of out of the office in 2024 it rather could be into jail in 2021.... If your personal attorny and fixer burried your crimes over decades while he has already be sentenced to jail because of a very small part of it and New York federal prosecutors concluded that the President of the United States already committed a felony.... you should expect more to come.... you can't indict a sitting president, but as soon as he loses this protection all hell will break loose. Dumpy is silent about Cohen at the moment.... if Cohens...
Something people who have been programmed to hate Trump do not realize...He is THE MOST INVESTIGATED person in history...and yet he is doing just fine. I highly doubt that other politicians, members of the media, or members of the Cabal could say the same for themselves if they were investigated day after day for every little made up thing under the sun. It's why they cannot control him and why they can control everyone else. And it makes them mad that they can't make up anything that will stick.
The video above will explain a lot of this.
Quoting HudithePfupf
{quote} We are talking about Isreal is temporarly suspending their efforts to annex occupied territory in the West Bank (and Golan heights...). They first escalated the problem with illegal settlement, probably backed by the current white house and now agreed to stop the escalation temporarly.... Ask the Palestinans and the Syrians - it's their territory - what they think about this. Oh wait, those really affected havn't been part of this "historic" peace deal... ? So this deal is not historic, it's mainly a PR stunt (documented with a...
https://original.antiwar.com/mbenjam...el-peace-deal/ ==> the page has been removed.
But I gave it a very quick read before it got removed.
For starters you should read the "Hamas Covenant" and find an impartial analysis that is not so obviously anti-Israel. Perhaps that is the reason the article was removed ....

IMO this explains the deal very well in simple neutral terms

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Mingary, my link above is still working...

Original link: "https://original.antiwar.com/mbenjamin/2020/08/13/dont-be-hoodwinked-by-trumps-uae-israel-peace-deal/"

Your link that doesn't work: "https://original.antiwar.com/mbenjam...el-peace-deal/"

Could it be that you wanted it to be removed so your brain came to the conclusion it has been censored while you just made a copy - paste mistake.

The WION source from idea show their perspective on the deal - all sides talk and that's a good thing, so the bias in the reporting is low and the piece is quite fair. They are very close to the conclusions I listed above.

I think the whole thing will progress the following way:

Trump as well as Bibi are both under severe pressure. So they struck a temporarly deal to make a vicotry lap before elections. If they are out of power, some good could come out of it, but it needs a lot of addtional steps to just come to a place where the involved countries have been befor Trump escalated the situation. If they remain in power after elections, the deal will soon be altered or not fullfilled and they go back into their main strategy, which seems to be that Israel annexes West Bank with US blessing.

There is a chance that I get this wrong.... it's complex and I am not a middle east specialist. But just based on logic this is a plausible outcome. This is how these guys work.

To cashbox:

The video you linked is pure right wing conspiracy trash at it's finest. Someone who takes Alex Jones as a reference is seriously of the rail and if you believe this shit and help to spread it, you are part of the problem.
Quoting HudithePfupf
Mingary, my link above is still working... Original link: "https://original.antiwar.com/mbenjamin/2020/08/13/dont-be-hoodwinked-by-trumps-uae-israel-peace-deal/" Your link that doesn't work: "https://original.antiwar.com/mbenjam...el-peace-deal/" Could it be that you wanted it to be removed so your brain came to the conclusion it has been censored while you just made a copy - paste mistake. The WION source from idea show their perspective on the deal - all sides talk and that's a good thing, so the bias in the reporting is low...
alex jones knows a couple things. to tie his shoelaces though?.. bet he wears sandals
Quoting HudithePfupf
..... To cashbox:
The video you linked is pure right wing conspiracy trash at it's finest. Someone who takes Alex Jones as a reference is seriously of the rail and if you believe this shit and help to spread it, you are part of the problem.
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Alex Jones???
Makes Joseph Goebbels look like a reliable source
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Quoting HudithePfupf
Mingary, my link above is still working... Original link: "https://original.antiwar.com/mbenjamin/2020/08/13/dont-be-hoodwinked-by-trumps-uae-israel-peace-deal/" Your link that doesn't work: "https://original.antiwar.com/mbenjam...el-peace-deal/" Could it be that you wanted it to be removed so your brain came to the conclusion it has been censored while you just made a copy - paste mistake. The WION source from idea show their perspective on the deal - all sides talk and that's a good thing, so the bias in the reporting is low...
Yes, I do have access now.
Like I mentioned on the first read. The article is thoroughly biased against Israel.

..."nothing more than a scheme to give an Arab stamp of approval to Israel’s status quo of land theft, home demolitions, arbitrary extrajudicial killings, apartheid laws, and other abuses of Palestinian rights."

" Israel’s now 53-year-long occupation"
... and so on ...
absolute BS!..

Please do have a look at the "Hamas Covenant", it's an abomination far more real and far worse than the "shadowgate" entertainment piece.
Thank you
Quoting CashBox
{quote} Something people who have been programmed to hate Trump do not realize...He is THE MOST INVESTIGATED person in history...and yet he is doing just fine.....
You can't indict a sitting president...... ever heard this one?

You can impeach and remove a corrupt and criminal president, but only if you have a majority in the house and the senate..... ever hear of this one?

So if you have a criminal president with an awful lot of executive power, backed by majority of a corrupt senate, democracy is at stake. Trump will cover his ass as long as he remains president.

4 more years and America could be damaged beyond repair. I think the damage on an international level is already far bigger than an average American realizes and these people anway probably give a f..ck what the rest of the world is thinking. It's their right to do so, but is it smart in the long run?

People realize this and I really hope they will vote him out of office.... but since about 30% of Americans are either rassists or money centered egoists that are extremly well mobilized you need more than 70% of all voters to actually vote to beat them at the ballot.... this is the reason why it makes sense for Trump to suppress voters with everything they have in their arsenal in those states where the race is close.... we will see whether their strategy is working once again.
Looks like the view of the USA is even more distorted outside the USA than it is inside the USA itself ...
Quoting Mingary
{quote} Yes, I do have access now. Like I mentioned on the first read. The article is thoroughly biased against Israel. ......
Mingary, the UN (a very large part of the world population) sees it differently. 167 states supported the resolution. This is how the world sees the conflict, wheter you like it or not.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly_Resolution_66/225

Only USA, Canada and Israel together with a few little island states depending on the USA have voted against this resolution and honestly I don't get it why they can't support it other than that Isreal has so much influence in both countries, that they can control the political consensus.

The world sees this conflict very differently. Based on the world view the Antiwar article is not really biased. You can say we are all wrong, but then you have to explain it with facts and this "shadow gate" stuff is so nuts I am shocked to see you giving it a thumb up.

This is wrong.
Quoting HudithePfupf
{quote} Mingary, the UN (a very large part of the world population) sees it differently. 167 states supported the resolution. This is how the world sees the conflict, wheter you like it or not. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...olution_66/225 Only USA, Canada and Israel together with a few little island states depending on the USA have voted against this resolution and honestly I don't get it why they can't support it other than that Isreal has so much influence in both countries, that they can control the political...
I am saying that IMO as long as Palestine supports terrorists organizations whose mission is the destruction of the state of Israel and all jews, no progress nor agreement can ever be made
Look, Isreal is in the position of strenght since 50 years.... you don't kick somebody who is already hurt and on the ground. Logic tells me it is easier to start and organize a peace agreement from a position of strength. All you really need ist the will to do so and see the benefit of a stable and lasting peace.

The question is: Are those in power in Israel willing to do so and will the palestineans recognize that both countries must have a home land where they can be save and prosper.

I hope they find a fair two states solution one day.
If Trump and Netanyahu remain in power the deal will stand and likely be a model for other Arab nations to join. If Trump loses is when it would fall apart. Remember the deal BHO made with Iran? Yeah. That brought us contempt and weakness. It fostered terrorism. Trump brings us respect and strength. Everyone worldwide should want a strong America because if we fade it will be China as the world power. You like their model for freedoms? Democrats envy them that.
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Quoting HudithePfupf
Look, Isreal is in the position of strenght since 50 years.... you don't kick somebody who is already hurt and on the ground. Logic tells me it is easier to start and organize a peace agreement from a position of strength. All you really need ist the will to do so and see the benefit of a stable and lasting peace. The question is: Are those in power in Israel willing to do so and will the palestineans recognize that both countries must have a home land where they can be save and prosper. I hope they find a fair two states solution one day.
Position of strength since 50 years indeed.. What do you expect if nearly 2 billion people want them to fail or / and be destroyed ?
Have a good read of the Hamas Covenant .. How do you deal with a neighbour whose mission and purpose is to destroy you ?
Quoting CashBox
After 1,400,000+ views, it seems youtube has taken down the video exposing part of the establishment cabal, but here it is on the banned videos website: https://banned.video/channel/millie-weaver or do an internet search for banned video millie weaver Shadow Gate. the full video is there
Given the massive and concerted effort from the US Corporate Media to hide, spin, ban any news that they consider pro-trump (like this UAE / Israel deal); the fact that it has been banned from youtube makes it even more credible..
No, it does not make it credible. That is very poor logic, Mingary. It is a conclusion based on your emotions. They fuck with your mind - detox.

Every rational human being sees that the Hamas Covenant is document full of hate and aggression and wont support it. To be fair several parts in the bible are no better. It is a roadmap to war, not peace. Another example of religous believes misguiding humans in an epic way. If extremists on both side of the conflict should arrange a peace deal, it won't work. But what about the decent, intelligent and loving people in the middle - they share values, desires and goals and both hate religous nuts that remain stuck middle age believe systems. Not all Isralies are right wing zionist and not all Palestineans are Hamas terrorists.

Establish a fair rule of law and equal rights for all people, create a stable envoirment, educate all of them, show them the beauty of science, evolution and art, improve their economic situation so they have something to lose in conflict, replace fanatic religious believes with knowledge wherever you can.

You won't get the"we make peace in a week Trump pipe dream" solution, but each little step in this direction should bring you a bit closer to a peaceful coexistence.
Looks like the follow through is happening ..

The US "crass-media" won't report it because 'Orange Man Bad"

https://www.timesofisrael.com/morocc...s-with-israel/
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/mi...lations-143832
Google search results:

UAE's peace deal with Israel+cnn = 2’890’000 hits
UAE's peace deal with Israel+msnbc = 955'000 hits
UAE's peace deal with Israel+fox = 6’290’000 hits
UAE's peace deal with Israel+reuters = 6’690’000 hits
UAE's peace deal with Israel+breitbart = 464'000 hits

.....

Distortion of reality ... the topic is getting a lot of attention across the whole media spectrum.

Good journalist do report the facts. Don't be surprised that judgement about the importance and value of the deal is diffrent across the political spectrum.... this is not a bad thing. If the right has the right to overstate the importance, the left has the right to understate it.

By listening to different voices you get a better understanding of the situation.
Quoting HudithePfupf
No, it does not make it credible. That is very poor logic, Mingary. It is a conclusion based on your emotions. They fuck with your mind - detox. Every rational human being sees that the Hamas Covenant is document full of hate and aggression and wont support it. To be fair several parts in the bible are no better. It is a roadmap to war, not peace. Another example of religous believes misguiding humans in an epic way. If extremists on both side of the conflict should arrange a peace deal, it won't work. But what about the decent, intelligent and...
Totally agree, but "we make peace in a week Trump pipe dream" ??? where does that come from ?
No offense, but if you can't see that this UAE / Israel deal is a step in the right direction, you are the one who needs to detox.
I am sure that if the democrats can spin it so Biden can get all the credit, Biden will get a Nobel Peace Prize the next day ..
BTW like Obama in 2009 (just 1 year in office and he gets a Nobel Peace Prize...) Truly amazing (;
As mentioned before, I agree that is a step in the right direction if two countries start to speak together to find a solution to a problem that stretches beyond their own territory. All of them should have bilateral talks on a regular basis.

Joe Biden agreed that his a good step and the Obama administration worked in the same direction. See, that is the difference between the two. You can look and focus on things that bring you together or you can look and amplify the points that divide us even more.

And I further agree with you that Obama shouldn't have gotten the Nobel Peace Price in 2009. You shouldn't get it in advance based on signaling good will and nice promises. A Nobel Peace Price should be given retrospective when when you can see and measure the results of alturistic actions taken by a person.

In this regard Edward Snowden would really deserve it. They way Obama treated Snowden and Manning was and still is a disgrace. To my knowledge he never apologized. They both did things that help the world understand certain hidden and ugly facet of war and power. They already have their place in history and will be judged as heros in the future.

And here comes one thing I like about Trump. Bold and fast action giving a shit about political correctness and the mechanics of a slow state apparatus. Obama didn't really take big efforts to understand Ed's actions in a broader context. He hid himself behind departments, the attorney general and processes with the result that those who abused the intelligence tools and where attacked through Snowdens revalations were able to run the show and distort the true picture of Snowden intentions and acts. Could you have leaked this information better than Snowden did? I don't think so.

A pardon for Snowden is more impotant than which president does it. Even better would be a fair and public process with the full exonaration of Snowden, combined with a punishment for those misusing the power and finally and the nobel peace price as a bonus.
Quoting HudithePfupf
As mentioned before, I agree that is a step in the right direction if two countries start to speak together to find a soluation to a problem that stretches beyond their own territory. Even Joe Biden agreed that his a good step..... see, that is the difference. You can look and focus on things that brings you closer or you can look and amplify the points that divide even more. And I further agree that Obama shouldn't have gotten the Nobel Peace Price in 2009. You shouldn't get it in advance just based on signaling good will and nice words. A Nobel...
you should stop talking american politics friend. just a suggestion. both sides suck, least Trump wants to keep US money in US (somewhat). dems just wanna spend. shutting economy down like this is fucking nuts to achieve an endgame price inflation. trump probably gets 4 more years though.
To continue with HudithePfupf post

UAE's peace deal with Israel+ABC= ~2 million
UAE's peace deal with Israel+CBS= ~825 k
UAE's peace deal with Israel+NBC= ~775k

Quite telling that the big numbers are FOX and Reuters. I am surprised CNN is that high. The other factor is WHAT they say. A major accomplishment that has taken long negotiations and relations building being told with a negative dismissive spin is not journalism. As to the raw numbers being so low that attests to their success in indoctrinating their listeners in hate.
Quoting WhipKream
{quote} you should stop talking american politics friend. ....
Why?
Quoting HudithePfupf
{quote} Why?
It's a good thing that the USA doesn't pay no mind to european sniveling and whining. The only ones that do pay mind are the ones out there rioting, looting, committing arson and shooting at cops. And they're just a small minority of uneducated crackpots!
Quoting Maxthetrader
{quote} It's a good thing that the USA doesn't pay no mind to european sniveling and whining. The only ones that do pay mind are the ones out there rioting, looting, committing arson and shooting at cops. And they're just a small minority of uneducated crackpots!
It's all a big and expensive show whose only purpose is to kick Trump out of the White House.
George S. is footing the bill on this one.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/13/u...nizations.html
and creating a safe environment for the activists
https://www.npr.org/2020/06/23/87971...=1597763714473
Quoting HudithePfupf
{quote} Why?
because i dont think you live here or are aware of what structural issues are really present. i dont talk about germany or switzerland, even if i am interested politically just due to my ignorance
In New Zealand the prime minister just delayed an election, yet it went smooth without all this fuss that is been made when Trump just suggests it...
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Quoting LDFX
In New Zealand the prime minister just delayed an election, yet it went smooth without all this fuss that is been made when Trump just suggests it...
One is a responsible politician who made an example for the world how to deal with Covid. The other one is a bumbling idiot who wants a voodoo doctor and a pillow salesman to lead the way on Covid. The list of differences and why he needs to go at the earliest chance is way too long to mention.
Quoting OutThere
{quote} One is a responsible politician who made an example for the world how to deal with Covid. The other one is a bumbling idiot who wants a voodoo doctor and a pillow salesman to lead the way on Covid. The list of differences and why he needs to go at the earliest chance is way too long to mention.

So he can’t suggest anything wise as the New Zealand’s prime minister ? A delay doesn’t mean he will be re-elected.
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Hong Kong is delaying by a year a Legislative Council vote and more than a dozen U.S. states moved the date of their primaries and New Zealand delayed the election.

A full democracy needs a free and fair exchange of political ideas and debate.

These are suppressed when the public and political parties cannot participate in electoral activities such as door-knocking, public meetings, and generally having face-to-face contact.

So Trump’s suggestion actually make sens...
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Quoting LDFX
{quote} So he can’t suggest anything wise as the New Zealand’s prime minister ? A delay doesn’t mean he will be re-elected.
NO.

1- The decision to change the election date rested solely with the Prime Minister.
2- She consulted with other party leaders as "moving an election date especially this late in an electoral cycle is a significant decision."
3- Leader of the opposition, National Party Leader had previously called for the election to be delayed until November.

When Trump grows up to be an adult which will take several thousand years at his pace, he may hope to be half as good as her in handling a crisis. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...avirus/610237/
Quoting John Milner
So, back in 2016 we had to choose between a Crook and a Clown. This time we choose between a Old Crony and the Clown, is this the best we can do? God help us...
and that is the problem....wake up America!!!!
its all just one persons opinion....
Quoting LDFX
In New Zealand the prime minister just delayed an election, yet it went smooth without all this fuss that is been made when Trump just suggests it...
thats nuts, i dont know how i feel about it. its sabotaging him directly, so i support him against it. in NZ no idea, but i thought it really is just unjust. its only a couple weeks, so it seems harmless enough though.
Quoting HudithePfupf
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they sabotage themselves dude, what? just today, i heard some youtube ad with Joe Biden speaking, saying shit about blacks, latinos, etc. was weird. plus one to trump imo
Quoting LDFX
In New Zealand the prime minister just delayed an election, yet it went smooth without all this fuss that is been made when Trump just suggests it...

It went smoothly in New Zealand because the main opposition party in New Zealand (The National Party) requested a delay.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-53796434
"The opposition National Party has argued the election should be delayed as restrictions on campaigning mean Ms Ardern had an unfair advantage."

Call me a cynic but if Trump suggests such a thing you can guarantee it won't be for the benefit for the opposition parties.
New Zealand is a standout example of a properly functioning democracy. US not so much with its electoral college system that allowed Trump to gain the presidency while the democratic candidate had significantly more votes.
Everything will be okay in the end. If it's not okay, it's not the end.
Quoting OutThere
{quote} One is a responsible politician who made an example for the world how to deal with Covid. The other one is a bumbling idiot who wants a voodoo doctor and a pillow salesman to lead the way on Covid. The list of differences and why he needs to go at the earliest chance is way too long to mention.
Comparing the New-Zealand response to covid 19 to the US response to covid 19 is ridiculous.
If there is one country in the world where covid 19 can be handled, that country would be New-Zealnd.
But also, they don't have hundreds of idiots looting and rioting in major cities spreading the virus ...
Quoting HudithePfupf
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"You have become, as well as many others, an active enabler of Donald Trump. Let's document that here and now for everybody to see in the future."

Do this: in your sentence, replace "Donald Trump" by "the Jews" (for example). Your statement could come directly from 1938 germany as a threat to those who don't agree..

You are showing a rather disturbing sign of hypocrisy...
Mingary, I think we are both rational, truth seeking human beings with good intentions to understand what is going on.

While we have both access to a huge amount of direct, unfiltered information regarding Trump,
( Tweets, Speeches, Pressers, videos, etc ), our conclusion about what we see in front of us is totally different. How could this possibly be?

I certainly believe a clinical psychologist should be able to judge Trumps mental stage quite accuratly based on all the data. He is a public figure almost since his childhood.

https://www.salon.com/2020/08/13/why-this-clinical-psychologist-is-now-sounding-the-alarm-about-trumps-disturbing-pathologies_partner/

There are hundreds of psychologist that share this view. I came to the exact same conclusion a long time ago, because this is Trump since decades. Can you make a assesment that is 100% correct? Certainly not, but if 20 clinical psychologist without bias try to give their best assessment and come to very similar conclusions and raise the alarm it is smart to listen.

If you normalize this kind of behavior mad man will lead you into the abyss.
Quoting Mingary
{quote} Your statement could come directly from 1938 germany as a threat to those who don't agree.. You are showing a rather disturbing sign of hypocrisy...
Now you play the hypocrisy card...and use a though experiment I suggested in May.

https://www.forexfactory.com/news/10...n#post12972873

The difference is I evaluate one specific person based on a massive amount of evidence while you suggest to insert "jews". A very bad suggestion that starts to demask your motivations. When Trump tweets "China!" he does exaclty the same - putting a huge amount of people under one single label.

That is a stupid thing to do. You deflect with nonsense. If you see obvious lies that are contradicted by acutal facts, it is your duty to call it out loud and clear. There is no such thing than alternative facts. Alternative facts is a synonym for lies.
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He is referring to the government not the people.
Quoting HudithePfupf
{quote} Now you play the hypocrisy card...and use a though experiment I suggested in May. https://www.forexfactory.com/news/10...n#post12972873 The difference is I evaluate one specific person based on a massive amount of evidence while you suggest to insert "jews". A very bad suggestion that starts to demask your motivations. When Trump tweets "China!" he does exaclty the same - putting a huge amount of people under one single label. That is a stupid thing to do. You deflect...
We went through this already.
The Tweet was "China!" (the regime) not "Chinese!" (the people), if you read something else in this, it's your problem.

These are your words: ""You have become, as well as many others, an active enabler of Donald Trump. Let's document that here and now for everybody to see in the future."

You are the one using a proper fascist statement, you are not allowed to pin it back on me, or suggest some accusations behind these words "A very bad suggestion that starts to demask your motivations"

Perhaps it's a language issue, perhaps it's because you are not in the US
But I can tell you that since Biden announced his running mate, the democrats and the media are pulling all the stops to demonize trump to an insane level.
They can't fault him on his economic record in office, therefore they are going after his character, something they started in 2015, but this time it's even more ridiculous than ever. The reason is obvious.
It's interesting to watch really.
Quoting John Milner
So, back in 2016 we had to choose between a Crook and a Clown. This time we choose between a Old Crony and the Clown, is this the best we can do? God help us...

Correct except that our choice now is between an DEMENTIA afflicted CORRUPT old crony soon to be replaced by a far left socialist racist and a non politician who has demonstrated himself to be not a clown but SUCCESSFUL in doing the things promised for decades by others. Trump is one of the top three Presidents. Imagine how much better things would be w/o all the irrational hate by the professional politicians and that stirred up by the media.
Quoting WhipKream
{quote} they sabotage themselves dude, what? just today, i heard some youtube ad with Joe Biden speaking, saying shit about blacks, latinos, etc. was weird. plus one to trump imo
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China includes Chinese - it is an even broader term. You say I read something else in this. What exactly should I instead? What is triggered in the head of a Trump supporter if their leader tweets "China!" at this moment in time.

So I made a fascist statement. You go exactly down the same line as Trump here. You misuse the term fascist and dillute it while doing so.

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/06/its-a-fascist-statement-trump-totally-freaks-out-about-nancy-pelosi-saying-he-committed-crimes/

Do you have a link to Trumps reelection team? Your statments are surprisingly well alligned with their text book.
Quoting gat
Quoting John Milner So, back in 2016 we had to choose between a Crook and a Clown. This time we choose between a Old Crony and the Clown, is this the best we can do? God help us... .
At least partially agree on this one, but what follows afterwards is 100% fairytale.
Quoting theras2000
{quote} It went smoothly in New Zealand because the main opposition party in New Zealand (The National Party) requested a delay. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-53796434 "The opposition National Party has argued the election should be delayed as restrictions on campaigning mean Ms Ardern had an unfair advantage." Call me a cynic but if Trump suggests such a thing you can guarantee it won't be for the benefit for the opposition parties. New Zealand is a standout example of a properly functioning democracy. US not so much...
So you are saying that if the election in NZ was postponed and went smoothly was because the opposition party requested it arguing that if not postponed it would benefit Ms Ardern (their opposition) because she has an unfair advantage, did I read it correctly ?

Then why Trump suggestion is bad ? Because it won’t benefit the opposition that might have an unfair advantage? Actually it might even benefit them...
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Quoting HudithePfupf
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Quoting LDFX
{quote} So you are saying that if the election in NZ was postponed and went smoothly was because the opposition party requested it arguing that if not postponed it would benefit Ms Ardern (their opposition) because she has an unfair advantage, did I read it correctly ? Then why Trump suggestion is bad ? Because it won’t benefit the opposition that might have an unfair advantage? Actually it might even benefit them...
Some right wingers on social media are trying to discredit NZ PM Ardern and calling her a dictator. I am just pointing out her party as well as the main opposition party agreed that a short delay to the election would be beneficial. Win/win for everyone, (except the extreme right who will try to discredit her whatever she does.
Everything will be okay in the end. If it's not okay, it's not the end.
Ditto LDFX! Great post!
So much hatred towards trump. Looks like some people are watching the Democratic National Convention currenly in progress..
Outthere, this is a hefty personal attack against Mingary. That is not ok.

I havn't seen the slightest evidence that he is a religious "nincompoops" (whatever that means). I rather think he is somebody who is rather critical towards religous believes or fundamentalists. He never used religion as an argument to my knowledge.

If you go low Trump supporters go lower an beat you with experience.
Quoting HudithePfupf
Outthere, this is a hefty personal attack against Mingary. That is not ok. I havn't seen the slightest evidence that he is a religious "nincompoops" (whatever that means). I rather think he is somebody who is rather critical towards religous believes or fundamentalists. He never used religion as an argument to my knowledge. If you go low Trump supporters go lower an beat you with experience.

You are right, Mingary is probably a itch on the ass you can’t scratch but he is respectful and shares his opinion accordingly.


Cheers,
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Quoting RossEdwards
{quote} Taken down- checked out as a fake
so it was real and im not crazy right? lol
Quoting OutThere
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Whats this guy saying? Sounds coo coo!
Quoting RossEdwards
{quote} Taken down- checked out as a fake
Is it the one in which he said "There is more diversity in Latino communities than in Black communities" ?
Does he not deserve a Trump award for that ?
Quoting Mingary
So much hatred towards trump. Looks like some people are watching the Democratic National Convention currenly in progress..
nope just watching him....
its all just one persons opinion....
Trump is just trolling the Left. And it works. The Left is saying just send out generic ballots to every registered voter that ever registered to their last known addresses that they lived, because it's not safe to go vote in person at a real polling place and present your ID, because you will get the CORONA and die. Of course, that wouldn't cause any problems and of course no one would try to cheat that amazing process.
So, Trump comes out with his own ludicrous idea (and he knows it's ludicrous) to just postpone the election until it's "safe" for people to come out of their basements after the COVID is gone to actually vote at a polling booth. His purpose is to point out how stupid the whole generic mail-in really is. He's mocking the left. It works. His base and most of the Right laugh while the left loses their collective minds. Then the left loses their minds and the right laughs again.
It's called humor. SMH
Quoting Yawgmouth
Trump is just trolling the Left. And it works. The Left is saying just send out generic ballots to every registered voter that ever registered to their last known addresses that they lived, because it's not safe to go vote in person at a real polling place and present your ID, because you will get the CORONA and die. Of course, that wouldn't cause any problems and of course no one would try to cheat that amazing process. So, Trump comes out with his own ludicrous idea (and he knows it's ludicrous) to just postpone the election until it's "safe"...
Right on!
Quoting Maxthetrader
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Everything will be okay in the end. If it's not okay, it's not the end.
I am guessing Twee is away on holiday somewhere and whoever is doing the moderating now is upset that Trump's buddy Steve Bannon has been arrested. (Great job FBI by the way, keep up the good work). I'll know if my theory is correct if this post gets hidden too. Lol
Everything will be okay in the end. If it's not okay, it's not the end.
Quoting theras2000
I am guessing Twee is away on holiday somewhere and whoever is doing the moderating now is upset that Trump's buddy Steve Bannon has been arrested. (Great job FBI by the way, keep up the good work). I'll know if my theory is correct if this post gets hidden too. Lol
Certainly expected.. We will see more of this happening so that the impressionable masses can be guided to vote for the correct candidate
FF posts a political article and then people cannot reply in a political fashion. Aint this a hoot! FF get rid of your own political postings and people won't reply to your posts in a political way. Just that simple!
Quoting HudithePfupf
China includes Chinese - it is an even broader term. You say I read something else in this. What exactly should I instead? What is triggered in the head of a Trump supporter if their leader tweets "China!" at this moment in time. So I made a fascist statement. You go exactly down the same line as Trump here. You misuse the term fascist and dillute it while doing so. https://www.rawstory.com/2019/06/its...mitted-crimes/ Do you have a link to Trumps reelection...
I hope you can see the irony in your statement...
Quoting RossEdwards
So now the sitting president of the USA who has been throughout encouraging electoral rallys in his own support is suggesting that because he is losing at the polls that the democratic process of the November Presidential election should be delayed and thus subverted to his advantage? America is in peril. And that means the free world is in peril. IMHO This is the greatest threat to all America and its constitution stand for since the Civil War. I cannot imagine the implications for Global financial market volatility if this looks even remotely...
Your appetite for Trump drama Ross is insatiable.
He wants to postpone the election rather than have a mail in vote, because it will be beneficial to him, but dressed up as a critical health initiative for the country.
This is politics, nothing more, and it's older that you, me, or our grandparents.

Dressing up your dramatic political post as a market relevant comment, is the same as what Trump is doing.
Politics....
Compulsions can be hard to resist
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It's pretty obvious Trump is playing the Establishment and Deep State. So fun to watch him.
This is the most investigated man in the world and he's still there and really seems to enjoy what he's doing.
He was made for this and lives for this.
The Bannon arrest is just for show, just trying to get him out of play, but it won't work. You see, the left does a lot of pr via arrests as they try to destroy the lives and the reputations of the real mainstream Americans, but there's no bite other than trying to tie people up and spend their money by using never ending fiat tax payer money to do the deed. It's such a joke. The Establishment Republicans and Democrats are a joke. The more they do it this junk the more the people see through it.
Think about something: If every media outlet is reporting the same thing...doesn't that seem to you that it's fake, spun, pr and just trying to control you? Take a few minutes today and listen to the news on several different radio stations and watch the news on different tv stations and read the news on nbc, cbs, cnn, msnbc, abc, fox, etc, etc...they are ALL, yes, even Fox, saying the same stuff. Ask yourself...who is putting the talking points for the day out at 4am every morning?
Ask yourself who is controlling all of this?
Then, consider the Democrat/Republican thing and consider just for a moment that there's a third party. It's not a political party though. It's those in background controlling the spin, hiding in plain site, working overtime to destroy America. And, yes, they know if they take the US down, they will get every other country. Do you want to be their slave? If so, keep thinking R/D and keep ignoring the third party.
Oh, and if you live outside the US, you should be very afraid because they are already a long way into enslaving you and once the US can no longer protect their friends, then you're in just as much trouble as those of us in the US.
Also note that Trump is polling ahead of where Obama was polling at this same point in his presidency. And, news out yesterday showed the normal Convention bump a party gets, well, it didn't happen this time...instead, Trump went up 4 points. And, today, three states that were 15 points in Biden's favor are now in a statistical tie.

Now, how does this all tie into trading? Well, one scenario is you'll see more and more stories saying the market is going to crash, the market is going to crash. And, when the big $ gets back from summer break the second week of September, they will run the stock markets up hard and fast while they are selling into the highs and suckering the retail traders in to buying what is about to collapse going into the election. Then, toward the end of the election crazy that Facebook admitted today is planned, the big money will start buying into the low while the retail traders are closing at massive losses. (Facebook stated they are planning for the election vote counting chaos by writing and practicing their plan to blackout pro-America voters' voices during the chaos...you know, what people do to slaves...restrict their voice. Like has already happening to thousands of conservative social media accounts, only now it will happen to EVERY account that even dares say anything positive about America.)

We're voting for our freedom here, not for a party. And, we're voting for freedom of the people outside of the US with this vote too: EU, UK, Hong Kong, Australia (especially Victoria), China, Russia, everywhere. If the US goes down, all of you go down even harder, faster, and worse because you're leadership is already controlled.
I hope you'll join us is voting for freedom.
Quoting OutThere
{quote} NO. 1- The decision to change the election date rested solely with the Prime Minister. 2- She consulted with other party leaders as "moving an election date especially this late in an electoral cycle is a significant decision." 3- Leader of the opposition, National Party Leader had previously called for the election to be delayed until November. When Trump grows up to be an adult which will take several thousand years at his pace, he may hope to be half as good as her in handling a crisis. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...avirus/610237/...
Just came across your two posts directed to me that got CoCed (which I do not agree with)
Getting triggered and going on a rant is not a good look eventhough it's hilariousy funny. A sign of weakness.
It reads like something out of some leftist propaganda. Verbal diahrea.
You know what else is funny ?
BabylonBee is not a christian website. It's a satirical web site, like "The Onion".
Satire, Irony, and Sarcasm .. good stuff
The DNC is over and Trump went up in the polls. I guess that's what the democrats wanted to do and they succeeded!
You see, this is irony.
Satire, irony, sarcasm, humor, comedy, these are the tools of free speech as well as of course all the elements of a proper debate.
You can do better.
You should try it sometime.
(that's sarcasm BTW)
Quoting Mingary
{quote} Just came across your two posts directed to me that got CoCed (which I do not agree with) Getting triggered and going on a rant is not a good look eventhough it's hilariousy funny. A sign of weakness. It reads like something out of some leftist propaganda. Verbal diahrea. You know what else is funny ? BabylonBee is not a christian website. It's a satirical web site, like "The Onion". Satire, Irony, and Sarcasm .. good stuff The DNC is over and Trump went up in the polls. I guess that's what the democrats wanted to do and they succeeded!...
Borrrriiinnnggg.

Have a good weekend.
Quoting OutThere
{quote} Borrrriiinnnggg. Have a good weekend.
And the same to you..
"We're voting for our freedom here, not for a party. And, we're voting for freedom of the people outside of the US with this vote too: EU, UK, Hong Kong, Australia (especially Victoria), China, Russia, everywhere. If the US goes down, all of you go down even harder, faster, and worse because you're leadership is already controlled.
I hope you'll join us is voting for freedom.
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Blimey......either the comment is from someone living in a far far right planet from earth or simply has no clue what the world looks like. Can't even write a proper sentence for argument goodness sake. Your vote is yours and yours alone, it is none of others business, why would anyone wish to join you and your crazy right ideology?

As a matter of fact, the world will be more peaceful without the american government trying to stick its bloody nose in everything that has OIL in it.
Max, we both know, as does everyone else, that the mob is organized crime. If you haven't been exposed to organized crime yet, count your blessings that all you have seen is peaceful demonstrations, some looting, one or two cases of arson and the occasional shooting back at cops. Organized crime pulls your teeth, breaks your legs, messes with your credit and tells you what you can and cannot do. Everything thing they do is intended to intimidate & harass so that you do as you're told so they get all the money. Take the time to learn about these things. If you don't and take the steps to stop it, they may come looking for you and yours one day -- just think about that for a moment before you start typing again.
"We're voting for our freedom here, not for a party. And, we're voting for freedom of the people outside of the US with this vote too: EU, UK, Hong Kong, Australia (especially Victoria), China, Russia, everywhere. If the US goes down, all of you go down even harder, faster, and worse because you're leadership is already controlled.
I hope you'll join us is voting for freedom.

You got it right "Not Boris". This is another one who thinks the world revolves around him. Sounds just like his mentor doesn't he. Probably dreams in orange too. Someone who thinks the world revolves around him, that he is the only one who knows what is right, the ONE who knows all -- sounds just like him doesn't he? "Follow me -- I will maga -- the only thing correct about maga is it's the first 4 letters in the word magazine. America has not gotten greater under the orange one. Except for a few at the top, America has gotten much, much worse. I will vote for anyone except the orange one, Republican or Democrat. I would celebrate if the Republicans nominated Mitt Romney at their convention -- voted for him before and would gladly vote for him again.
Major cities in the US are held hostage and on fire and insanity is replacing reason and some people believe that more of the same and giving in will resolve everything.
....ssoooo......any of you folks ever trade??? or "take positions" as edwards says?
It's pretty obvious Trump is playing the Establishment and Deep State. So fun to watch him.
This is the most investigated man in the world and he's still there and really seems to enjoy what he's doing.
He was made for this and lives for this.
The Bannon arrest is just for show, just trying to get him out of play, but it won't work. You see, the left does a lot of pr via arrests as they try to destroy the lives and the reputations of the real mainstream Americans, but there's no bite other than trying to tie people up and spend their money by using never ending fiat tax payer money to do the deed. It's such a joke. The Establishment Republicans and Democrats are a joke. The more they do it this junk the more the people see through it.
Think about something: If every media outlet is reporting the same thing...doesn't that seem to you that it's fake, spun, pr and just trying to control you? Take a few minutes today and listen to the news on several different radio stations and watch the news on different tv stations and read the news on nbc, cbs, cnn, msnbc, abc, fox, etc, etc...they are ALL, yes, even Fox, saying the same stuff. Ask yourself...who is putting the talking points for the day out at 4am every morning?
Ask yourself who is controlling all of this?
Then, consider the Democrat/Republican thing and consider just for a moment that there's a third party. It's not a political party though. It's those in background controlling the spin, hiding in plain site, working overtime to destroy America. And, yes, they know if they take the US down, they will get every other country. Do you want to be their slave? If so, keep thinking R/D and keep ignoring the third party.
Oh, and if you live outside the US, you should be very afraid because they are already a long way into enslaving you and once the US can no longer protect their friends, then you're in just as much trouble as those of us in the US.
Also note that Trump is polling ahead of where Obama was polling at this same point in his presidency. And, news out yesterday showed the normal Convention bump a party gets, well, it didn't happen this time...instead, Trump went up 4 points. And, today, three states that were 15 points in Biden's favor are now in a statistical tie.

Now, how does this all tie into trading? Well, one scenario is you'll see more and more stories saying the market is going to crash, the market is going to crash. And, when the big $ gets back from summer break the second week of September, they will run the stock markets up hard and fast while they are selling into the highs and suckering the retail traders in to buying what is about to collapse going into the election. Then, toward the end of the election crazy that Facebook admitted today is planned, the big money will start buying into the low while the retail traders are closing at massive losses. (Facebook stated they are planning for the election vote counting chaos by writing and practicing their plan to blackout pro-America voters' voices during the chaos...you know, what people do to slaves...restrict their voice. Like has already happening to thousands of conservative social media accounts, only now it will happen to EVERY account that even dares say anything positive about America.)

We're voting for our freedom here, not for a party. And, we're voting for freedom of the people outside of the US with this vote too: EU, UK, Hong Kong, Australia (especially Victoria), China, Russia, everywhere. If the US goes down, all of you go down even harder, faster, and worse because you're leadership is already controlled.
I hope you'll join us is voting for freedom.
[quote=CashBox;13126281] Think about something: If every media outlet is reporting the same thing...doesn't that seem to you that it's fake, spun, pr and just trying to control you? Take a few minutes today and listen to the news on several different radio stations and watch the news on different tv stations and read the news on nbc, cbs, cnn, msnbc, abc, fox, etc, etc...they are ALL, yes, even Fox, saying the same stuff. Ask yourself...who is putting the talking points for the day out at 4am every morning?
Ask yourself who is controlling all of this?

I ask you instead....who is controlling this and how....

Maybe if everyone is reporting the same news.....its because it is true?
its all just one persons opinion....
Quoting axecap
Quoting CashBox
Think about something: If every media outlet is reporting the same thing...doesn't that seem to you that it's fake, spun, pr and just trying to control you? Take a few minutes today and listen to the news on several different radio stations and watch the news on different tv stations and read the news on nbc, cbs, cnn, msnbc, abc, fox, etc, etc...they are ALL, yes, even Fox, saying the same stuff. Ask yourself...who is putting the talking points for the day out at 4am every morning? Ask yourself who is controlling all of
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It's not just reporting on the same news item...it's the exact same words, phrases.
So, it's obvious you don't know that the talking points are released at 4am eastern every day in the US. It's all controlled, even on Fox.
Can you in imagine all these Trump haters.Every news channel Yup,blame Trump.Flicking around news channels,all the same stuff.Man can anybody trust career bureaucrats,keep telling the peasants what they want to hear.Some hard questions needed.Who is behind funding the left media for three years,deep pockets my guess.Is it possible that massive trillions of shore.Trump has been trying to bring this back into America.Could rebuild the country,sort of makes sense.Trump trying to get real work back for the locals.Every one has worked out you can't have everybody lining up for cabbage soup
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Forget about news. Just listen to the comedy material he creates when he opens his mouth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKz-IgeTMzY&list=RD7gjQSTtU6Yk&index=3
Quoting Mingary
{quote} Totally agree, but "we make peace in a week Trump pipe dream" ??? where does that come from ? No offense, but if you can't see that this UAE / Israel deal is a step in the right direction, you are the one who needs to detox. I am sure that if the democrats can spin it so Biden can get all the credit, Biden will get a Nobel Peace Prize the next day .. BTW like Obama in 2009 (just 1 year in office and he gets a Nobel Peace Prize...) Truly amazing (;
The real reason for the 'peace' deal is coming out. https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/23/politics/jared-kushner-israel-uae-f-35-jets/index.html
Quoting OutThere
Forget about news. Just listen to the comedy material he creates when he opens his mouth. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKz-IgeTMzY&list=RD7gjQSTtU6Yk&index=3
Ah, your smear campaign continues. You see, all that junk...it doesn't stick. That's why Trump haters are so angry...can't beat him. It's fun to watch the melt down...when people can't win they make stuff up and then use the media and social media like FF to spread it. If you can't win you cheat. But please do keep smearing him and America...because you're waking people up to your tactics and you're forcing people to make a decision to be for America.
Quoting CashBox
{quote} Ah, your smear campaign continues. You see, all that junk...it doesn't stick. That's why Trump haters are so angry...can't beat him. It's fun to watch the melt down...when people can't win they make stuff up and then use the media and social media like FF to spread it. If you can't win you cheat. But please do keep smearing him and America...because you're waking people up to your tactics and you're forcing people to make a decision to be for America.
campaign? Dude, chill.
This is just a news link. Any issues with the news there? Is it fake or something?

How would you like me to see this?

Just coincidents? They just figured out that peace deal leads to arm sales after the event? I mean say something related to the story. Fake news? Just random unrelated incidents? What? None of anyone's business?
Here's a random unrelated incident for you: Biden didn't want to run. He publicly kept saying no. Then, suddenly, he decides to run right after the new Ukraine president was elected. Hmm, kind of hard to prosecute a guy running for President (if he's a Democrat being investigated by a Republican). Kind of hard to get him to flip too - even Obama stated to be careful because 'biden could still **** things up.' Biden is the weakest link due to his health. How bad are things for Obama/Biden if they are running a shell of a man just to keep from going to jail.
Nice one. Totally unrelated. I'll comment on that when I am in the mood.
happy to oblige
Quoting OutThere
Forget about news. Just listen to the comedy material he creates when he opens his mouth. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKz-IgeTMzY&list=RD7gjQSTtU6Yk&index=3
And you want the comedy to stop ?
I don't get it.
Quoting OutThere
{quote} The real reason for the 'peace' deal is coming out. https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/23/polit...ets/index.html
First of all it's from CNN
Second, if not fake looks to me it's a win / win
Third, for once I would like to see an intelligent response from you:

https://www.forexfactory.com/news/10...n#post13108949

http://www.ejfi.org/Voting/Voting-78.htm

Apparently, all you are able to do is throw stupid ad hominen attacks and repeat anti-trump memes.
Quoting Mingary
{quote} And you want the comedy to stop ? I don't get it.
The last question that she is asked, answers your question. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nvxj5gWah_E
Quoting Mingary
{quote} First of all it's from CNN Second, if not fake looks to me it's a win / win Third, for once I would like to see an intelligent response from you: https://www.forexfactory.com/news/10...n#post13108949 http://www.ejfi.org/Voting/Voting-78.htm Apparently, all you are able to do is throw stupid ad hominen attacks and repeat anti-trump memes.
-CNN, Very professional news agency.
If you don't like news, stick with your sources...or the lack of.

Yes, why do you suck on orange pus? You never replied.
It is going to dry out soon anyway.
Quoting OutThere
{quote} -CNN, Very professional news agency. If you don't like news, stick with your sources...or the lack of. Yes, why do you suck on orange pus? You never replied. It is going to dry out soon anyway.
Thanks for making my point. Resorting to insults is not a good look. You are totally discrediting yourself.
Not a surprise. And also, in your own way you are helping Trump get reelected .... Perhaps, he won't be, but you are enabling his followers.
As I said, CNN, Very professional news agency. If you don't like news, stick with your sources...or the lack of.
Number 1 news agency on my list. Before and after Trum showed up. His opinion makes no difference. Seems to have done wonders for you and it shows.

You welcome.

If I am helping Trum get elected, you should be filled with joy. Why are you so angry? Too much sucking on orange pus? Orange pus is a drink that is full of empty calories and tends to kill a reasonable person's brain cells to the point of no recovery. Get some help.
Yes, CNN is soooo reputable that they are always at the bottom of the ratings.
Quoting OutThere
As I said, CNN, Very professional news agency. If you don't like news, stick with your sources...or the lack of. Number 1 news agency on my list. Before and after Trum showed up. His opinion makes no difference. Seems to have done wonders for you and it shows. You welcome. If I am helping Trum get elected, you should be filled with joy. Why are you so angry? Too much sucking on orange pus? Orange pus is a drink that is full of empty calories and tends to kill a reasonable person's brain cells to the point of no recovery. Get some help.
Dude, you are way out of line. Is it because trump is going up in the polls ?
Where do I say I don't like this news because it's on CNN?. I don't think it's bad news.
CNN number 1 in your list ? You are very narrow minded my friend. You should always cross-reference.
I am not angry at all
I find your prejudice and preconceptions rather disturbing.
Again, not surprising at all if you dwell at the bottom of the well in the dark with "CNN number 1 in your list"..
Quoting Mingary
{quote} Dude, you are way out of line. Is it because trump is going up in the polls ? Where do I say I don't like this news because it's on CNN?. I don't think it's bad news. CNN number 1 in your list ? You are very narrow minded my friend. You should always cross-reference. I am not angry at all I find your prejudice and preconceptions rather disturbing. Again, not surprising at all if you dwell at the bottom of the well in the dark with "CNN number 1 in your list"..
He lives in the Bahamas where China built a football stadium and other give aways. That's what China does...they buy their way in. Make people feel good about the communist party and suddenly door to your apartment building is welded shut and you die from a virus or starvation.
Quoting Mingary
{quote} Dude, you are way out of line. Is it because trump is going up in the polls ? Where do I say I don't like this news because it's on CNN?. I don't think it's bad news. CNN number 1 in your list ? You are very narrow minded my friend. You should always cross-reference. I am not angry at all I find your prejudice and preconceptions rather disturbing. Again, not surprising at all if you dwell at the bottom of the well in the dark with "CNN number 1 in your list"..
In case you don't understand, Number 1 on list implies that there is a number 2.3.4....infinity.

That automatically means cross reference.

You are just babbling because you are depressed. Have another sip of orange pus to make your brain frozen and you feel loved.
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Quoting OutThere
{quote} In case you don't understand, Number 1 on list implies that there is a number 2.3.4....infinity. That automatically means cross reference. You are just babbling because you are depressed. Have another sip of orange pus to make your brain frozen and you feel loved. {image}
... and more abuse / insult.
You are sinking deeper aren't you.
Your lack of integrity is appalling, stop your creeching and hissing and provide a rational response:

https://www.forexfactory.com/news/10...n#post13108949

http://www.ejfi.org/Voting/Voting-78.htm

You are making your side look really really bad, but very much within expectations.
Quoting OutThere
{quote} In case you don't understand, Number 1 on list implies that there is a number 2.3.4....infinity. That automatically means cross reference. You are just babbling because you are depressed. Have another sip of orange pus to make your brain frozen and you feel loved. {image}
OutThere, you are definitely out there. Please do some research for yourself instead of just repeating what CNN tells you to say. Here's an article for your reading pleasure that may help you understand better why a high percentage of Americans are upset with the news coverage:

The evening newscasts on ABC, CBS and NBC have been 150 times more negative when covering President Trump compared to presumptive 2020 Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden, according to a new study.

The Media Research Center analyzed all statements made by reporters, anchors and nonpartisan sources, such as experts or voters, made on CBS’ “Evening News,” “NBC Nightly News” and ABC’s “World News Tonight” from June 1 through July 31.

The findings showed that Biden has received eight positive evaluative statements with only four negative comments made about the former vice president in a two-month period. But when it comes to Trump, the study showed that coverage has been overwhelmingly negative.

CBS’ “Evening News,” “NBC Nightly News” and ABC’s “World News Tonight” made a whopping 634 negative evaluative statements about Trump over the same time period, according to the study. The evening newscasts made 34 positive statements about the president over the same time period.

The MRC did not include evaluations and comments from partisan sources in the findings.

MRC research director Rich Noyes, who conducted the study, feels that “millions of viewers are witnessing the most biased presidential campaign coverage in modern media history.”

“I’ve been studying the news media and elections for more than 35 years. Trust me — there’s never been anything like it,” Noyes wrote. “Do the math, and viewers heard 150 TIMES more negative comments about Trump than Biden. That’s not news reporting — that’s a negative advertising campaign in action.”

Trump regularly blasts the mainstream media for what he feels is unfair coverage and recently accused Biden of avoiding tough questions from reporters.

“If you consider the evening newscasts a reliable gauge of the liberal media at large (cable news, big newspapers, etc.), it means Biden has enjoyed an army of so-called journalists conducting a massive negative information campaign against his opponent, while he is sheltered from any scrutiny,” Noyes wrote.

"Biden's controversies from the spring, such as allegations from former staffer Tara Reade that he sexually assaulted her in the 1990s, completely disappeared from his evening news coverage in June and July," Noyes added.
And, that negative coverage cannot help but be carried over to FF because that's what they have to choose from...negative coverage. It's circular and it's wrong, but that's how it works...And, if we aren't allowed to stand up and straighten out the record on FF, then FF needs to stop posting any and all articles about Trump. All we want is a level playing field on FF and we're fighting for it every day on here.
Mingary, your voting link reference shows problems related to mail voting, but it is well within what you can expect and is by no means dramatic. Again, this is used to distort reality and problems are exaggerated.

As explained before, in 2020 there are a lot of countries that have proven beyond all doubts that voting by mail can be organized perfectly. The US lags behind and has room for improvements. Till it works, the study you listed gives good advice how to make sure your vote is counted if you intend to vote by mail. By knowing the weaknesses of the current system, one can avoid most of the potential mistakes without effort.

All actions of Trump so far are not dedicated to solve or improve the situation. His goal is to make it worse. The reason is simple. They probably have data at hand that the vote per mail ratio is higher in groups that tend to vote for Biden, so he sees an advantage in pushing against it (whilst using it himself).

Why don't you or Trump advice your fellow citizens what they have to do to make sure their votes get counted? Wouldn't this be the better way to adress the problem than to defund USPS?

One thing is sure. If it works well it is far more effective than to queue for hours to cast a vote. Agree?
Quoting HudithePfupf
Mingary, your voting link reference shows problems related to mail voting, but it is well within what you can expect and is by no means dramatic. Again, this is used to distort reality and problems are exaggerated. As explained before, in 2020 there are a lot of countries that have proven beyond all doubts that voting by mail can be organized perfectly. The US lags behind and has room for improvements. Till it works, the study you listed gives good advice how to make sure your vote is counted if you intend to vote by mail. By knowing the weaknesses...
I am the mail man. Mail in voting requires you to mark either the republican box or the democrat box. Along the mail route there is a very large dumpster behind a republican owned body shop. This is where all the envelopes with the democrat mark ends up........Its the patriotic thing to do! Vote by mail is very safe, HudithePfupf. hahaha
Quoting HudithePfupf
Mingary, your voting link reference shows problems related to mail voting, but it is well within what you can expect and is by no means dramatic. Again, this is used to distort reality and problems are exaggerated. As explained before, in 2020 there are a lot of countries that have proven beyond all doubts that voting by mail can be organized perfectly. The US lags behind and has room for improvements. Till it works, the study you listed gives good advice how to make sure your vote is counted if you intend to vote by mail. By knowing the weaknesses...
There are two (2) issues here:

1. Absentee ballots - these are time honored and it works. These have to be REQUESTED, then mailed out, completed and returned by a STATE SPECIFIC date. The number of absentee ballots will be increased and it may slow down the system but I'm cool with that; it's what I did in 2016 and 2018.

2. Mail in ballots - This currently happens in five (5) of the states in the USA. In this method the state mails ballots to people on the voting roles and "hope" it is correct. If people move - tough luck; if people die they STILL get mailed a ballot. Under this system, without a checks and balance, there is massive fraud and voter intimidation.

Screw ALL mail in ballots. Make people vote IN PERSON. I don't understand why it is so hard. I can not fly in the USA without a valid photo ID. I recently went into a casino and was not allowed unless I supplied them with my drivers license; this is SOP for most places; including Disney World; so why should voting be any different?

In my state of FL we start early voting 2 weeks BEFORE the general election; there is ample opportunity to vote IF someone wants to.

Why in person? Because no one is allowed to influence your vote within 300 yards of polling places, so you can't be pressured or intimidated. Many Trump voters feel intimidated by media and others who are anti-Trumpers and at home someone could coerce everyone in the household to vote their choice or "hit the road". In person voting eliminates that.

One person - One vote.
...because you never know - until you do!
For those who think mail in ballots are the answer:

"Why the Botched N.Y.C. Primary Has Become the November Nightmare
Nearly six weeks later, two congressional races remain undecided, and officials are trading blame over the mishandling of tens of thousands of mail-in ballots."

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/03/nyregion/nyc-mail-ballots-voting.html

It takes YEARS to get the proper systems in place and all the "bugs" corrected.

The fate of the USA election will NOT be known on November 3, 2020 due to the large number of ballots that will need to be counted.

In addition it has been estimated that over 10% of the ballots in the NYC primary were rejected due to failure to complete them correctly.

What should happen is to completely shut down mail in (except for absentee requests (see my earlier post describing the difference)) and extend voting for and entire week rather than a day.
...because you never know - until you do!
Quoting HudithePfupf
Mingary, your voting link reference shows problems related to mail voting, but it is well within what you can expect and is by no means dramatic. Again, this is used to distort reality and problems are exaggerated. As explained before, in 2020 there are a lot of countries that have proven beyond all doubts that voting by mail can be organized perfectly. The US lags behind and has room for improvements. Till it works, the study you listed gives good advice how to make sure your vote is counted if you intend to vote by mail. By knowing the weaknesses...

The US postal service is in terrible shape and losing billions.
Voting by mail is a huge risk.
True in my own life: The mail that I send gets lost or never arrives.
Don't you think it's bizare that those people who risk going out in the street to protest somehow object to going to vote in person ?
Remove the politics from this equation ... the US postal service is currently "out of order" and cannot be trusted, potential fraud or not it has become totally incompetent.
Nothing to do with Trump.
Quoting Mingary
{quote} The US postal service is in terrible shape and losing billions. .....
Voter fraud is very rare in the US and your concerns are way overblown:

Misinformation about voting by mail

Since we’re here, let’s put to bed some myths and misinformation about voting by mail:

Voting fraud is extremely rare in the US, and voting by mail is no exception. In the past 20 years, over 250,000,000 votes have been cast by mail, and according to data from the Heritage Foundation, there have been only 1,285 proven cases of voter fraud resulting in 1,100 convictions.
Studies done by such organizations as Stanford University have found that voting by mail does not favor voter share or turnout of either major political party. Expanding access to voting by mail is generally considered great for all voters and their ability to exercise their right to vote.

Source:
https://www.dictionary.com/e/absente...ail-in-ballot/

As I mentioned before. The problem you describe is minimal, solveable or already solved in some states. So you are delivering fake news, Mingary, or at least heavily distorted information. I don't know if you do it on purpose, but I see you deflecting all the evidence I list and try to confirm and level up some concerns I think are justified.

Keep in mind that these people used either mail in voting or absentee ballots that is also delivered of USPS:

• Donald Trump • Mike Pence • Ivanka Trump • Jared Kushner • Melania Trump • AG Barr • Kayleigh McEnany • Bill Stepien • Brad Parscale • Sec. Alex Azar • Sec. Wilbur Ross • Sec. Betsy DeVos • Ronna McDaniel • Kellyanne Conway • Nick Ayers

Explain..... why can they use it but damm it?

Furthermore two people in the epicenter of MAGA leave the circus. Bannon and Conway. Plaese tell me your view about Bannon and KA Conway. Or do you hardly know them? ;-)
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Says somebody endorsed by Notty (who by the way is still in denial .... )

https://www.forexfactory.com/fxsport

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priceless......
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Quoting Maxthetrader
{quote} I am the mail man. Mail in voting requires you to mark either the republican box or the democrat box. Along the mail route there is a very large dumpster behind a republican owned body shop. This is where all the envelopes with the democrat mark ends up........Its the patriotic thing to do! Vote by mail is very safe, HudithePfupf. hahaha
This is nonesense..... and you know it, so why spread it? Would you like to look up the sentence you get when you do the things you describe....? Patriotic thing to do..... maybe better replace Patri with idi and I fully agree.

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/06/tr...n-ballot-spin/

It's your country.... you should know how it works or at least be able to learn.
[quote=fxsport;13128842]{quote} Because the media LIES and DISTORTS and tells HALF TRUTHS and people like YOU but into it.

That's not very legible . That's " but " , though i guess it was supposed to be " buy " .

Either way .

I wasn't buying into anything . I was wanting it answered/ addressed .

Which is still pending as you went off on a tangent/rant .
Compulsions can be hard to resist
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Quoting OutThere
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WTF?

You've GOT to be joking because no politician in American history has been investigated as much and as long as Trump has and you know what they found - NOTHING!!!!! All the lies you believe and spout off are fabrications and feeble minded sheeple like you play along. Who is the "co-conspirator in jail"?

Paul Manifort? You idiot those charges he is serving are from 2008 and earlier. He was campaign manager for 2 months and got fired because Trump found out about his past.

Roger Stone? He was convicted of lying under oath about false charges - James Comey, George Brenner and others at the FBI have done FAR WORSE but you don't care do you?

Quoting OutThere
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REALLY? How about the video where Biden tells the President of the Ukraine that he's not getting his million dollars unless he fires the prosecutor who is investigating the company where Biden's son was a paid consultant? They tried to impeach Trump for much less about someone hearing someone who thought Trump said the same thing over a phone call, which Trump denied and the president of the Ukraine denied as well.

Ok, I know you can't be that stupid so I can only surmise that you are purposefully goading me and frankly is how I feel about it.

I don't have to like the person doing the job - I want results. You European's hated Ronald Reagan and he was wonderful for America. HISTORY will do the same with Trump except no one will refer to Trump affectionately.

If you know anything about history I'll give you an analogy.

Trump is the 21st century version of Vlad III (Vlad the impaler) - A one person crusader standing against the Ottoman Empire. Vlad was ruthless, brutal but most of all - Vlad was effective. He focused on doing the best for his kingdom. Despite these atrocious acts, Vlad had a pretty accomplished career as the Prince. He focused on enhancing the economy of the region by reforming the agricultural systems and strengthened his military. He also constructed several buildings and villages for the general population and encouraged foreign trade.

The legacy of Vlad the Impaler is one to be questioned. - Collectively, we can agree that Vlad the Impaler had a distinct legacy. He is revered and respected in Romania for defending his kingdom from the Ottomans. However, he is considered as a monstrous leader in other areas of Europe for the tyrannical acts he committed. It is clear that most rulers did execute their criminals or prisoners, but Vlad the Impaler’s methods of execution were far more brutal and inhumane.

If not for Vlad Europe would have been overrun by the Ottoman Empire and would look very different today.
...because you never know - until you do!
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[quote=OutThere;13129171]{quote}As for the Russia thing. it is still going on. A lot of avenues of investigations have been temporarily blocked by Dumpy but they do get opened up even nowadays being under suppression but imagine when the criminal in chief is gone, then we will see the rest of the iceberg. https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinio...ht-ncna1237743 [quote]

How many millions was spent and they found NOTHING, REPEAT NOTHING. In case you didn't get it the first time:

THEY FOUND NO TRUMP RUSSIA COLLUSION!!!!
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That is so.....wrong and displays your total ignorance...
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...because you never know - until you do!
Here's a huge reason US citizens are upset...you'll never see this on CNN:
See the video at https://www.millennial (remove this) millie.com/ and you'll be upset too.
In fact, China's Communist Party just put $1 billion dollars into this General's pockets.
Quoting HudithePfupf
{quote} Voter fraud is very rare in the US and your concerns are way overblown: Misinformation about voting by mail Since we’re here, let’s put to bed some myths and misinformation about voting by mail: Voting fraud is extremely rare in the US, and voting by mail is no exception. In the past 20 years, over 250,000,000 votes have been cast by mail, and according to data from the Heritage Foundation, there have been only 1,285 proven cases of voter fraud resulting in 1,100 convictions. Studies done by such organizations as Stanford University have...
You are distorting what I am saying.
Please read again
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"potential fraud or not it has become totally incompetent.
Nothing to do with Trump."

I am saying the potential for fraud does exist. But, that is in fact not the issue, the real issue is the fact that the USPS cannot be trusted to deiver mail reliably at this time.
If I vote it will be in person.

As far as you trying to bull bait me with the Bannon and KA Conway "news" I will only respond if you first acknowledge what I wrote.
I will not let you jump to another subject until you concede the first argument. (in bold, above to make it easier for you)
Quoting HudithePfupf
{quote} Voter fraud is very rare in the US and your concerns are way overblown: Misinformation about voting by mail Since we’re here, let’s put to bed some myths and misinformation about voting by mail: Voting fraud is extremely rare in the US, and voting by mail is no exception. In the past 20 years, over 250,000,000 votes have been cast by mail, and according to data from the Heritage Foundation, there have been only 1,285 proven cases of voter fraud resulting in 1,100 convictions. Studies done by such organizations as Stanford University have...
Hufnpuff, how about you actually listen to what the guy actually said about how the 80 million mail in ballots that are set to mailed out so you have the full info from his point of view and then comment all you want once you have both sides of the info and not just CNN's side:
https://banned.video/ (remove this) watch?id=5f443d61df77c4044ef51f5b
Quoting Mingary
{quote} I am saying it may happen OR NOT. That is in fact not the issue, the real issue is the fact that the USPS cannot be trusted to deiver mail reliably at this time. If I vote it will be in person. ...
Ok, now you pull back to the position there "might be voter fraud or NOT".

This is no real position without you giving a certain probability to a certain outcome. Maybe you weight the word NOT a bit more, because you write in capital letters. This might be interpreted that you think there is rather not fraud. Nonetheless you conclude that you can't trust USPS to deliver your vote correctly and in time. Therfore your conclusion is not based on facts or a acutual number that explains your position and contradicts your first sentence. This despite the fact you have access to studies that measured and analysed the risk of your vote not delivered and even listed them as reference. This is not rational.

That you intend to vote in person is a good thing. It is your right and choice to do so. It is more important that you vote than which way of voting you use. If you are someone who doesn't like to pay a lot of taxes, it must be in your direct interest that a safe and efficient mail in voting process is put in place. Based on my own experience I can confirm that in advanced democracies mail in voting works and is more efficient. If this is well done, you save a lot of time and the goverment saves money too.

Now, we can move on to your position regarding Bannon and Conway and the kind of Q-Anon endorsement by Trump, because this helps me to understand your world view better.
Quoting CashBox
{quote} Hufnpuff, how about you actually listen to what the guy actually said about how the 80 million mail in ballots that are set to mailed out
Ok, I looked at the Alex Jones video you linked.

First of all if you think Alex Jones is a reliable source whe do have a problem. Alex Jones is not news, it is a pure propaganda outlet and Alex Jones is an actor that plays a lunatic and makes money with it. He plays emotions and rage - feelings - adresses your biases. If we do not agree on this one or you at least somehow understand what I try to explain here, I think we won't be able to have a "rational" discussion.

These are the same mechanics as you can't argue rationally with a religous fundamentalist, a flat earther or a creationist. You simply can't, because these groups do not understand how science works and how you can distinguish between a believe and the truth. They don't understand the tools and the language of science.... so you can't talk to them till they are willing to learn it.

To Trumps 80million fraud claims....

He criticise that they send out 80 Million mail in ballotts to voters who didn't ask for them. He says this shouldn't happen and says this is a bad thing - which is ridiculus.

Every registered, living citizen with the legal right to vote should get a mail in ballott without asking for it. This is obviously a good and fair thing and standard in advanced democracies. A democracy works best if the participation rate is high. Trump fears that broader mobilisation to cast a vote will hurt him, because the democrats have far more room for improvement within their voter base in this regard. They certainly have data at hand that shows that a higher participation rate will hurt them, so they fight it.

A few pearls from Trumps idiotic speech:

... people have no idea how divided they where under Obama.....

OK, so those directly affected by division and are the underlying cause of that division have no idea how divided they are..... do you understand how stupid that statement is?

... adding 9 Mio jobs in 3 months claim....

explained it before, if you crash the employment by your own massive mistakes and then sell the recovery from your own fuck up as a success, you are good at marketing but a liar.

....

and while you consume Alex Jones propaganda, you are bombared with completly useless snake oil medicine products..... yeap, see how it correlates to retail forex trading? 99.8 % losers over a time periode of 5 years.....

Compared to Alex Jones and Infowars, CNN is indeed a high quality news station.
John Oliver once again explains it perfectly:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZRE6uVMDAo
Quoting HudithePfupf
{quote} Ok, now you pull back to the position there "might be voter fraud or NOT". This is no real position without you giving a certain probability to a certain outcome. Maybe you weight the word NOT a bit more, because you write in capital letters. This might be interpreted that you think there is rather not fraud. Nonetheless you conclude that you can't trust USPS to deliver your vote correctly and in time. Therfore your conclusion is not based on facts or a acutual number that explains your position and contradicts your first sentence....
Again you are distorting what I am saying:
I said there is a problem with the US postal service (nothing to do with trump)
And yes, in this context IT IS RATIONAL to be careful with a "vote by mail" decision.
Please read carefully:
https://www.businessinsider.fr/us/us...plainer-2020-8

And no. We cannot move on until you concede this point. Then we can move on to deal with your condescending remark showing your prejudice and misinformation as it relates to your next "trick question":

"Now, we can move on to your position regarding Bannon and Conway and the kind of Q-Anon endorsement by Trump, because this helps me to understand your world view better."
Quoting HudithePfupf
John Oliver once again explains it perfectly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZRE6uVMDAo
https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2020/aug/23/danbury-connecticut-sewage-plant-john-oliver

Full of crap indeed
Quoting Mingary
{quote} Again you are distorting what I am saying: I said there is a problem with the US postal service (nothing to do with trump) ..
Nothing to do with Trump? Everything to do with Trump! Who whines day in day out about mail-in voter fraud? Who installed his loyal buddy at the top of USPS to implement changes to make the mail in voting problem bigger to help him getting reelected. Who primes his base to scream election fraud if he loses (which he will)? The chief liar himself - unfiltered, not altered, for all visible to see and hear.

The segregation in NYCU dorms surprises me and seems to be a stupid idea, but before I can judge it I would have to understand the real reasons and facts why some black students seem to have a need for safe zones in there dorms. If they are motivated just by their wish to segregate from whites because they don't want to be near them no matter what, I think it is racist and stupid. If they can proof that they are facing racist assaults and mobbing on a regular basis that disrupts and impacts their life and learning significantly, I would understand their motivation to make such a step, but would still think there are better ways to adress the problem. Since black American suffered through forced segregation in the past, logic tells me they should have good reasons to ask for it in 2020.

Your statement regarding Bannon, Conway and Q-Anon isn't a trick question. These are central figures or supporters in the Trump cult - exporting their poisen world wide, even to Cosne-Cours-sur-Loire.
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{quote} Your appetite for Trump drama Ross is insatiable. He wants to postpone the election rather than have a mail in vote, because it will be beneficial to him, but dressed up as a critical health initiative for the country. This is politics, nothing more, and it's older that you, me, or our grandparents. Dressing up your dramatic political post as a market relevant comment, is the same as what Trump is doing. Politics....
You know what @trumps you have me mixed up with someone who gives a toss what your views on my motivations or agenda is.. I have busy business schedule and try to make intelligent comment when I have time to visit FF, and that is IT. Now why don't you go swarm with your Trumpie buddies and troll someone else.
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Quoting RossEdwards
{quote} You know what @trumps you have me mixed up with someone who gives a toss what your views on my motivations or agenda is.. I have busy business schedule and try to make intelligent comment when I have time to visit FF, and that is IT. Now why don't you go swarm with your Trumpie buddies and troll someone else.
Please accept my apologies Ross, I won't comment on your posts again.
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Quoting HudithePfupf
{quote} Nothing to do with Trump? Everything to do with Trump! Who whines day in day out about mail-in voter fraud? Who installed his loyal buddy at the top of USPS to implement changes to make the mail in voting problem bigger to help him getting reelected. Who primes his base to scream election fraud if he loses (which he will)? The chief liar himself - unfiltered, not altered, for all visible to see and hear. The segregation in NYCU dorms surprises me and seems to be a stupid idea, but before I can judge it I would have to understand the real...
It would be good if you could have spent 2 minutes to look this up for yourself rather than spreading disinformation..

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/f...ow/5538705002/

"But it is false to say mail is intentionally being slowed, despite reports that a new USPS system might inherently cause delays. The Trump administration said the president did not direct USPS to slow down its deliveries, and USA TODAY found no evidence of that claim being true either."

https://www.allsides.com/news-source...day-media-bias

I repeat. We cannot move on until you concede this point. Then we can move on to deal with the other red herrings you are throwing at me (Bannon, Conway, QAnon ..) and your surprise at finding this "segregation 2.0"

"move on", that is, if you can survive the cognitive dissonance..

And this: "even to Cosne-Cours-sur-Loire" what the hell is that ?
Mingary,

would he admit that his intentions are to slow down mail delivery? Ok, he is stupid, but is not that stupid.
By installing his man at the top, by taking out mail sorting machines, slashing resources and reducing capacity he will inevitably slow down delivery, at least in the short term. He doesn't have to order that, it is the result of his decision who he puts in charge at the very top and what he expects from this person to do. He communicates like a mob boss.... I give you an example, how this could look like "....you know, the bikers and the police, wonderful folks, they are on my side... so if I am getting impeached for a hoax, a witch hunt...things may get ugly... they are very fine people, but if you stretch it too far, you know....bad things happen.... they are tough guys, you shouldn't make them angry...

He would never say "....if you impeach me, I ask the bikers and the police to use violence against my opponents...."

This is how he works..... like a mob boss. Indirect threats fully clear to his base, vage enough to provide no evidence of a direct order and to be filled with the worst presumptions of his followers. If the shit hit the fan, he doesn't know the persons who did his dirty work.

So no Mingary, I do not concede, because I am sure you fully understand what I explain here. I recommand to listen to Adam Schiff's speech before the corrupt Trump enablers voted to dismiss the impeachment. He was 100% spot on - there was collusion and election meddling proven beyond the slightest doubt. He would be a very good president... to bad he doesn't run.

At this point the intention and motivation is clear. If you want to get into the full details you have to do an investigation, gather all evidence and measure the impact. Even the fact that they called him out on this will make sure the USPS is clearly limited in what they can do now without getting a"direct in jail" card because of election meddling. Since everybody is on alert, the impact should be limited because a lot of people will make sure that mail-in voting works. In the end it will be counterproductive for Trump, but till he gets that it is too late.

So you don't know what I mean with "Cosne-Cours-sur-Loir".... une petite énigme pour toi! Bonne chance.
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Quoting HudithePfupf
Mingary, would he admit that his intentions are to slow down mail delivery? Ok, he is stupid, but is not that stupid. By installing his man at the top, by taking out mail sorting machines, slashing resources and reducing capacity he will inevitably slow down delivery, at least in the short term. He doesn't have to order that, it is the result of his decision who he puts in charge at the very top and what he expects from this person to do. He communicates like a mob boss.... I give you an example, how this could look like "....you know, the...
Facts don't care about opinions, yours or mine !
You lost the debate on this one subject. You are not allowed to move up to the next one.
If you insist that 2 + 2 =5 without evidence how can we possibly move up to a discussion on multiplication ?
I will explain:
You are always keen on asking people for proof. I give you sound research with facts and you reject it, but on the other hand I should agree with your pontifications and your rants on regurgitated "News manipulation"?
Do you see what's wrong here ...
Apparently not.

Indeed we cannot move ahead. You did not pass the integrity test.
Enjoy your false narrative only fit for the brain-dead
.....
That being said, this is a lot more interesting:

"even to Cosne-Cours-sur-Loire."
and again
"So you don't know what I mean with "Cosne-Cours-sur-Loir".... une petite énigme pour toi!"

A remark so out of left field, non-sequitur, incongruous.. it took me by surprise. And, no, I don't know what you mean. Then I realized ..
Are you trying to breach my privacy ?
Are you trying to find my location ?
I don't give a rat's ass who you are or where you are, but know that in most countries stalking is a crime!!!!
This intention says a lot about you and indeed does fit in perfectly with your narrative.

Not only I am coming up ahead in this discussion, but sadly you lost all credibility.
Quoting Mingary
{quote} Facts don't care about opinions, yours or mine ! ...
Agree on this one. The rest of it.... well, this in one of these posts one thinks he rather shouldn't have written in state loaded up with awful emotions.

You are obviously intelligent and you have a good education. That is the reason I really tried to better understand why someone like you can be so terribly misled by the "Trump cult" and becomes a true believer. I am still learning and there are several rational explanations for it. Some make you a victim, in others you are fully responsible for your current situation. Some people just want to see the world burn, because terrible things have happend in their lives... they don't need any reason at all.

I went through quite a lot of information regarding the mail in voting from various sources. Even the ones you listed show that the problem is in the range you would expect it and insignificant percentage wise. With only little efforts you can avoid potential problems regarding mail in voting related to USPS, as shown in detail also by links you listed. This data all supports my conclusion that mail in voting fraud exist in the range you would expect it, is so small that it is not relevant to the outcome of elections in 99 % of all cases. Mistakes that would put your vote in danger can be avoided easily and all advanced democraties have solved the problem you are so afraid off decades ago, so it's hard to believe the US is completly different.

The rest of your rant is personal and weak... no need to adress it. We better take a break for a while an maybe by the end of the year we look back on the election results and quantify wheter mail-in voter fraud was a real thing or not. We both will learn something in the meantime and maybe we even converge with our opinions. Good luck.
To Mingary and Hudi

For the most part, the misinformation of this election year will define it. I would encourage you both to look at the true and unequivocal history of our current president. Court records are the most accurate depiction of what has happened in the past since he has chosen to make his last stand in the court on most occasions. Those records, should you choose to look them over, still exist. They can be found in New York City courts, New York State courts, Atlantic City courts and New Jersey State courts. When you go through these and examine why he has spent so much time involved in court, the nature of the people involved in those court cases and the outcomes of those cases, you cannot help but come to the conclusion that this man has only his own interests at heart -- nothing wrong with that except when the aim is to disenfranchise and ruin others or to prevent the truth about his involvement from coming to the surface. I don't believe the leopard can change his spots, and so I believe that what he has done as President is consistent with what he did before he became President. So I have to believe he is a very corrupt person, seeks to insulate himself by putting others in the firing line and seeks to corrupt everyone around him as further insulation.

Because of his past, I believe he is the same person. He was that person when he bought a residential building in NYC, and turned off the heat and water to force the tenants to leave so he could renovate the building -- they wouldn't leave so he tried to use the court to eject them -- the courts sided with the tenants -- he sold the building -- who benefited? He was that person when he bought a young airline, renamed it Trump Airline, then drove it into the ground before declaring bankruptcy in the court -- does he appear to be a bankrupt person -- no he bankrupted the airline to protect himself from going bankrupt. He was that person when he bought casinos in Atlantic City, NJ, renamed them all as Trump something, then drove them all into bankruptcy to avoid going bankrupt himself. In each of those bankruptcy proceedings, it is apparent that he stripped the cash for his own benefit, then left others holding the bag, including the employees who didn't get paid, the contractors who didn't get paid, the cities who didn't receive their taxes but had to pay court costs and lawyers to avoid declaring bankruptcy themselves. He was that person when he set up Trump University so that people could learn from "The Master" how to invest in real estate -- the lawsuits piled up -- eventually he paid $30 million to settle the Class Action Suit filed against him.

He learned from his first lawyer, Roy Cohn -- if you don't know Roy Cohn's story, you should read about him -- another "wonderful" person. Donald Trump learned well from Roy Cohn -- today he is Roy Cohn reincarnated. After doing your research, it will be interesting to have these conversations again -- nothing he does is for the benefit of anyone other than himself, no matter who gets in his way or who gets hurt.

Oh, and btw, when you have time, look up the Sixty Minutes broadcasts from 2004, 2011, 2015 and 2019 and learn about the research team funded by US government grants and which eventually became BARDA -- they were doing research on Coronaviruses in SE Asia and using a laboratory in Wuhan, China. Their goal eventually became the creation of a vaccine which would be effective on all coronaviruses. Their government funding was eventually cut by Donald Trump. Where could we be if that funding had not been eliminated? And most of these broadcasts took place way before DT began running for President -- in fact there was no mention of DT in any of them -- hard to believe these were the work of left wing media trying to bring him down.

Come to your own conclusions, but we're all tired of you two ranting about what you see in the media. Educate yourselves, then let's have discussion rooted in fact.
Quoting pipnu2me
To Mingary and Hudi For the most part, the misinformation of this election year will define it. I would encourage you both to look at the true and unequivocal history of our current president. Court records are the most accurate depiction of what has happened in the past since he has chosen to make his last stand in the court on most occasions. Those records, should you choose to look them over, still exist. They can be found in New York City courts, New York State courts, Atlantic City courts and New Jersey State courts. When you go through these...
... and the so called "facts" that you are listing here, where do they come from ?
Oh wait, from ... the media perhaps ? (:
Here is a fact for you.
Efforts to get him out of the office started on day one of the presidency.
Are you saying that in all that time, even with the millions spent on researching every nook and cranies of every details of his life, before and after he took office, nothing of value has been found that can take him out ?
(i.e. nothing of value like the Clinton / Lewinski drama)
Do you think no effort was put in to impeach Nixon ?

BTW ... what happened to the "pee pee tape" that kept the media busy and buzzing and hysterical for almost 3 years ?
So my answer to you, yes indeed educate yourself.
Quoting HudithePfupf
{quote} Agree on this one. The rest of it.... well, this in one of these posts one thinks he rather shouldn't have written in state loaded up with awful emotions. You are obviously intelligent and you have a good education. That is the reason I really tried to better understand why someone like you can be so terribly misled by the "Trump cult" and becomes a true believer. I am still learning and there are several rational explanations for it. Some make you a victim, in others you are fully responsible for your current situation. Some people...
"You are obviously intelligent and you have a good education. That is the reason I really tried to better understand why someone like you can be so terribly misled by the "Trump cult" and becomes a true believer."

I hope you can see the arrogance and prejudice in this statement. Who is the real "true believer" here ?

"The rest of your rant is personal and weak... no need to adress it."
Yeah.. I caught you out in an attempt to DOX me. That is no small matter ..
In case you don't know what it means:
To dox: to publish private information about someone on the internet, without their permission and in a way that reveals their name, where they live etc ..

Enough said ...
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Someone can adress your mental state (to a certain degree) with all the information you uploaded on this forum. That is acutally what rational people do - analyse information and make a best guess. It is still mainly an opinion, but an informed opinion that gets better over time. Can I be wrong? Sure, but am I? This place is littered with liars, scammers, snake oilers, racists, antifa dummies, propaganda spreaders, affilate marketers not only for brokers, but also for political parties to further their agendas. How do you fit into this picture? You call this just prejudice and arrogance? Nice try, Mingary.

Dox you? You post a flag in your profile, use a VPN server on Tuvalu, post links that clearly show you are actually living in France or in a french speaking country and then complain if somebody just recognizes such infomation and realizes that things you claim to be are not what you actually are? You personally published all that information Mingary, every single piece of it for all to see. It think you are > 65 years old and lack basic understanding about the internet. Read Snowden, then you get an idea. But wait, Snowden is not (yet) your friend in the Trump cult, unless he has material on Biden....(....or Hillary).

In many ways you are a riddle looking at your threads and posts. Are you the person you paint to be? A retail trader who lost 300'000 Euros in Forex trading now warning others not to join the game, but nonetheless opening threads like the Monty Hall and the in persuit of the Margin Call thread....that you delete later on... without ever explaining your intentions in these threads? Threads that do have significant lure in potential. Some posts give a hint that you are actually still trading, which obviously doesn't fit your core message that every retail trader loses in the long run (which is true). Something doesn't add up Mingary, something just doesn't.

Based on that you are not yet off the hook in regards to applying kind of a reverse marketing strategy. You would probably be smart enough to pull it off and your personality would theoretically fit such an approach. It looks like a part of you wants to see the world burn.

And finally to the pee pee tape... Cohen is publicly telling he witnessed tax fraud, a golden shower scene of Trump in Vegas, theatening of witnesses etc, etc. He was his fixer over a long time. Do you think he would claim something like this under oath and in a book without hard evidence? As a lawyer...? Wouldn't Trump be able to stop the publication, all just made up? Highly unlikely!

You don't have to like Micheal Cohen, but he went through a learning process. He is doing the only right thing to do in this situation - limiting the harm of a monster he helped to create:

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You still don't fucking get why Trump isn't in jail yet. It is certainly not because he is not guilty. He is still protected by a senat majority (against "any" impeachment) and his current job as POTUS (against "all" crimes). That wont last forever.

Just watch what happens when the protection is gone. Under these circumstances it fully makes sense why he is claiming that this is the most important election of all time. He knows he will go to jail. His only hope is 4 more years and then followed by a loyal buddy or family member, willing to misuse pardon power like he already did. If he loses the election he will claim there was voter fraud and will not shy back causing serious tensions and escalate using his base. He might then try to bargain an full pardon for acknowledging to step back and cover his ass.. Hope this strategy will fail miserably.

You support a proven pathological liar, narcisist and criminal unfit for office.... so no excuses.
You fully own this, together with all his supporters on all levels.
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The people who know him:

Like his sister.....
https://twitter.com/i/status/1297347296225566722

Like the people in Manhatten.... less than 10% voted for Trump in the 2016 election.
Those people knew him and his past.... they knew he was a criminal and a conman.

https://www.nytimes.com/elections/2016/results/new-york
Mingary, If you reread my post, you will see I did not say "facts". I said court records. Read them -- they're interesting and educational. Not facts in the way that the sun rising everyday is a fact, but the last say on anything having to do with anyone involved in a court case. He has been inolved in many -- they paint quite a picture.
Quoting HudithePfupf
Someone can adress your mental state (to a certain degree) with all the information you uploaded on this forum. That is acutally what rational people do - analyse information and make a best guess. It is still mainly an opinion, but an informed opinion that gets better over time. Can I be wrong? Sure, but am I? This place is littered with liars, scammers, snake oilers, racists, antifa dummies, propaganda spreaders, affilate marketers not only for brokers, but also for political parties to further their agendas. How do you fit into this picture?...
May I suggest that you try the following: block out the noise and think for yourself.
Politics as usual. Obama got the same treatment but against Trump this is 1000 X worse:

muckraking, defamation,disparagement,libel,misrepresentation,smear,backbiting,calumny,lie,
scandal,backstabbing,mud-slinging.

Yes block the noise and stop watching "msnbc", then use reason rather than emotion

This is what a real democrat has to say about the protests. The real democratic party. The one that I remember. Long gone now...
Rep. DeBerry was dropped from his own party because he is not following the party-line.
Tennessee .. look it up, Jack Daniel, Elvis & Country Music. Look it up in your favorite "fact checker": they have it listed as one of those racist, fascist states. South bad....
and then look up "Gaslighting"

Watch the video. It's the reason why Trump may win if the "new" democrats don't cheat middle-america in the election
"Middle-America" is not CNN or Fox News and it's saying enough is enough.

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And as far as you trying to assume who you are speaking to. Just now that when you assume something, you make an ass out of you and me (ass-u-me)
Quoting pipnu2me
Mingary, If you reread my post, you will see I did not say "facts". I said court records. Read them -- they're interesting and educational. Not facts in the way that the sun rising everyday is a fact, but the last say on anything having to do with anyone involved in a court case. He has been inolved in many -- they paint quite a picture.
The fun continues ... One of many fun games going on right now in the best comedy and circus show ever created...
https://justthenews.com/politics-pol...iously-dropped
As you suggest, Block out the noise. I did that years ago -- I had had it with the news makers and news spreaders ... and then social media completed the story by turning it all into a circus.

So, I started doing my own research -- I go back to the most reliable sources -- in this case the courts. Do you have any sources other than the media / social media?
Quoting pipnu2me
As you suggest, Block out the noise. I did that years ago -- I had had it with the news makers and news spreaders ... and then social media completed the story by turning it all into a circus. So, I started doing my own research -- I go back to the most reliable sources -- in this case the courts. Do you have any sources other than the media / social media?
They dig and they find dirt. Nothing special here and true for anyone

Give me one piece of dirt that is true and proven about Trump that is impacting your life now and your ability to prosper and do the best you can for you and yours ?
I'm not going to do the work for you. It's not difficult to look up the court records. I already told you where to look and what to look for. It's your choice to educate yourself. Or are you telling me you don't trust the courts?
Quoting pipnu2me
I'm not going to do the work for you. It's not difficult to look up the court records. I already told you where to look and what to look for. It's your choice to educate yourself. Or are you telling me you don't trust the courts?