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  • #301
  • Dec 5, 2017 7:13am Dec 5, 2017 7:13am
Quoting GEfx
{quote} OK, that is true in a macro sense. But for the individual, the rules stayed the say, although the repossession process was extended quite a bit. For the individual, the mortgage is still covered by the house, regardless of who is backing the mortgage company or the industry.
There is only one sense - reality. And reality is that consumer dept is reaching peaks beyond anything in history. And governments dept is reaching peaks beyond anything in history as well. Meaning, perceived collateral is not really collateral, but imaginary assets, a promise to secure some value. For a moment, today "collateral" works for individual repossession. But with underlying current, when the whole thing collapses there will not be much value in "collateral(s)".

Detroit 2008 is a good example of working reality of collateral(s):

https://www.theguardian.com/business...ousing-detroit

"A land registry search for Stansbury Street provides a clue to just how spectacular the crash has been. In 2001, the same property changed hands for $88,000. As prices declined, it was sold again for $33,500 two years ago. But the buyer was unable to keep up mortgage payments. After foreclosure, the bank dumped it on to the market at its present rock-bottom price tag [$1,250] on October 15...

For the banks, it is cheaper to give away houses than to knock them down."
  • #302
  • Dec 5, 2017 7:16am Dec 5, 2017 7:16am
Quoting HudithePfupf
If you buy real estate with a 5% deposit for a speculative purpose in the hope you can flip it for a higher price it is certainly gambling and outright stupid. If a bank is stupid enough to finance your first home this way and even a 2nd home by relaying on your paper profits, than they are gamblers too. And talking about a 3rd home based on the same mechanics is what brought the system almost down a few year ago.... so yes, this is gambling - outright, ultimative stupid gambling. That was the receipt for many to ruin themselves in the past and...
you are both correct. real estate ,like many other investments, you can use for speculating (hoping for higher prices to sell) or simple for buying and living in, or you let other live in and get a rent. so its not this easy to compare to forex trading, because there are many more arbitrage possibilities. you can buy a house, you can build a hourse, you can let build a house, you can rent it, you cann sell it, you can share it, you use it for you own living and compensate the rent (after you paied for it)......

if used as speculation object you are right, if not then other arguments coming in front.

i dont see the fact why we speak about real estate market, its a total difference to forex, noone would compare this too, there are many markets that are much much more near.
  • #303
  • Dec 5, 2017 7:25am Dec 5, 2017 7:25am
Quoting dukas_trader
i dont see the fact why we speak about real estate market, its a total difference to forex, noone would compare this too, there are many markets that are much much more near.
We speak of real estate, because flawed definition of gambling provided by the poster. Soooo... real estate (for living) example is a good one to shows that leverage beyond 1:5 does not have to mean anything remotely close to gambling, as the poster suggests.
  • #304
  • Dec 5, 2017 7:34am Dec 5, 2017 7:34am
Quoting jdieieh
{quote} There is only one sense - reality. And reality is that consumer dept is reaching peaks beyond anything in history. And governments dept is reaching peaks beyond anything in history as well. Meaning, perceived collateral is not really collateral, but imaginary assets, a promise to secure some value. For a moment, today "collateral" works for individual repossession. But with underlying current, when the whole thing collapses there will not be much value in "collateral(s)". Detroit 2008 is a good example of working reality of collateral(s):...
Your are right about Detroit. The impact of mass foreclosures is one of the reasons why foreclosures are so slow here in the US. Banks don't want to be in the house selling business, and foreclosures tend to reduce the other houses in the neighborhood, so they would be hurting their other customers. And across the US, there are lots of mortgages that are under water, so the crisis is still alive. Anyway, the point I was making to the other poster was that your
forex trading account is funded with real money, and for those of us who trade for a living, we make real money, by putting real money at risk. Good trading!
  • #305
  • Dec 5, 2017 7:39am Dec 5, 2017 7:39am
Quoting VEEFX
{quote} Sorry dude. I can no longer deal with red flag idiots on FoolsFactory. Let's me dumb it down for you as another dumb rock (dkrock) has influenced your pee-sized brain. There is NO physical asset involved in FX compared to a physical and tangible asset in a mortgage. You are buying money (currency) to get money(another currency) back in return. You are selling money to buy money. It's that simple. It's a derivative of one currency against another. That's all it is... NOTHING more or less apart from the fluctuating exchange rate times your...
Good point! The latest thing SPECULATORS are doing in my area is buying up perfectly good houses , flattening them and building a block of flats on the land! It's a 100% sure fire winner when your town is over populated.
  • #306
  • Dec 5, 2017 7:41am Dec 5, 2017 7:41am
Quoting VEEFX
{quote} Pick any real estate market where you would get zero dollars on a foreclosed property? A property is a real and tangible asset of value always greater than $0
By scientific method, I need to provide one example to disprove your theory. I will provide 2 examples

1. As already provided above: "For the banks, it is cheaper to give away houses than to knock them down."

https://www.theguardian.com/business...ousing-detroit

2. "Banks are selling off properties in the worst neighbourhoods, which are usually surrounded by empty and wrecked housing, for a few dollars each... Technically, Brumit paid $95 for the land and $5 for the house on Lawley Street"

https://www.theguardian.com/business...oreclosures-80

YOUR THEORY IS DONE AND THERE IS NO 'BUT'
  • #307
  • Dec 5, 2017 7:49am Dec 5, 2017 7:49am
Quoting GEfx
{quote}Anyway, the point I was making to the other poster was that your forex trading account is funded with real money, and for those of us who trade for a living, we make real money, by putting real money at risk. Good trading!
'Collateral" in forex is not only your deposit and balance. Any dept you can occur when speculating, as many painfully realized in 2015, must be covered by 'collateral'. Meaning, if your balance gets negative, your other assets, beyond your deposit (which is gone), like your house if you own it, becomes your collateral and supposed to be use to pay your obligation.

Ultimately, in situation when the whole thing collapses and you loose all your "hard assets' in value, the only asset left is your will and ability to do work and exchange it for something else - tribal societies understand that very well. But for most of us that is a post-apocalyptic scenario, although not that sci-fi as Venezuelans are discovering now

Ultimately, all hard assets you might own, come from your work and effort... unless you have/had great inheritance or lotto luck.
  • #308
  • Dec 5, 2017 7:50am Dec 5, 2017 7:50am
Quoting VEEFX
{quote} There is NO physical asset involved in FX compared to a physical and tangible asset in a mortgage.
But, that's not what your said in the other post, right? You said we give nothing and get nothing, right? That is a statement that can only come from someone who does not trade real money. I don't care about comparing real estate and forex trading, because they are two different things. But when I trade, I trade real money. I use real money, not demo money, to get real money, not demo money. Comparing real estate (where the underlying asset is a physical asset) with forex trading (where the underlying asset is a financial asset) makes no sense to me. But being dismissive of forex trading because the underlying asset is financial and not physical, indicates a lack of understanding and clearly a lack of appreciation of the forex market, which is a common trait of new, inexperienced, or unsuccessful traders. After you've spend time putting real money at risk, and achieve some success at realizing a return on that effort, you can come back and lecture me on...anything.
  • #309
  • Dec 5, 2017 9:15am Dec 5, 2017 9:15am
Quoting VEEFX
{quote} "If you remove leverage from the equation, you pay nothing of tangible value and you get nothing in return of tangible value apart from the few cents"

"I bet you know all this and using 500:1 to generate 'real' trading income."
But, forex trading is leveraged. It's the leverage that makes forex trading worthwhile. How can anyone with any financial investing or trading experience make this kind of statement? You have basically just said that if forex trading were not forex trading, it's be something else like putting money in a savings account. That is a blinding flash of the obvious. But what you are really saying is that you don't know how to make money trading leveraged forex trades.

Really? Your profile says that you live in the US, as does my profile. Yet, you do not know that US citizens can't trade at anything above 50:1? Are you for real? You don't know this? And as a point of fact, if I could trade 500:1, I'd love to do it. I'm not afraid of leverage, and would love to add on so I could make better use of my money. But it seems to scare you, as your back handed comment infers. People who do not know how to trade should avoid leverage, and perhaps you should avoid the forex all together. Again, you are clearly in way over your head in this conversation. You should withdraw from this discussion now, and put all your money in a bank CD.
  • #310
  • Dec 5, 2017 1:06pm Dec 5, 2017 1:06pm
Quoting VEEFX
{quote} One more time to help your dense mind Here are the reasons why I delete: 1) Avoid appearing Mr. Know-It-All. Far from being the truth 2) Avoid attracting followers and follow-on interactions, PMs etc 3) and most important of all, I have done my job of conveying my message to the person/thread. 4) Deleting de-clutters my mind, it frees me from wondering what others are commenting on my posts. Response Alerts to my posts in profile continues to cause distraction and curiosity. Obviously, #4 doesn't work with some idiots... I guess that makes...
Based on the few posts we exchanged today, I agree that you should delete your posts. Perhaps you'd consider erasing then as soon as they are posted? And, I find your list to be very funny.
  • #311
  • Dec 5, 2017 1:07pm Dec 5, 2017 1:07pm
Quoting dkrock
{quote} Yeah. I don't care. Since you delete everything, you don't exist. Since you have nothing worth saying, I don't pay any attention. Your posts are for your ego. Nothing more. Make a "look at me" post, then delete it, then say you do it because you are not "Mr Know-It-All", LOL LOL LOL LOL. YET, don't let anyone disagree with you because really, you think you are exactly that. To me though, you're like a mosquito I fan away. Nothing of value. Blah, blah, blah...I am great, LOL. Good riddance. How many posts have you made now without responding...
He's a fraud. Time for us all to move on. Good trading!
  • #312
  • Edited 2:24pm Dec 5, 2017 2:11pm | Edited 2:24pm
Quoting dkrock
{quote} Life is about 2nd chances and trading most definitely is. Fair enough. Till next time. Just don't post on any of my threads please. We are too far apart in our methods. In return, I will not try to understand what you do, so no comments about your methods. Any other topic...fair game. Jumping on the Dukas bandwagon did upset me because he invented a business plan about me and went on and on and on and on telling me how bad the plan was and how I was a fake and liar for using it, and how stupid I am for not knowing how to trade. All fantasy...
baby. you are really a liar. all i told was correcting your mistakes!
and then you came with, you have a simple trading group, who help you to trade and correct your mistakes... and noone was interested in and after it was aked whats advantage of your copying and group, nothing came. then you deleted all your posts and run away, come back later and attacked only.
your problem is, you be a liar and cant remember. i remember some sentences, when you told me , i want learn trading from you and learn something and entries and whatever, but same time noone (and 100% not me) was interested in your funny trading style (whatever you do). i told you so often stop be a liar, and maybe you will get a honest person with time.

until now, as trading clown or troll you are ok, for the rest your words stand for yourself who you are (at least what you dont delete). and of of course you look often like a beginner, because of what you write with often wrong arguments, but thats not such a problem. the problem is your style, noone dont like that oyu have a group for whatever reason, some need it, some not, you are not better ar worse with it. accept it simple. if you all the time come on and attack, no wonder that noone takes you serious and your group looks so stupid and faked (because noone would like to work with such a person).

when you write like stupid, its normal that people judge you like stupid. sometimes iam wondering that you really cant see , that you all the time restart attacking for nothing, crazy. i know, it was hard for you, when you needed to delete all your mistakes to let other see you still as not unexperienced trader (your deleted post look ed very unexperienced), but you try hard to look at least professional, but its normal that you can be wrong often too, stand to your words, dont delete all the time, and you will be some man in some years. and dont come with military again, i dont think you learned there this style you show here.

i am not resonsible how you look like here, its your words what show you in this bad light. so live with it, and dont attack me all the time when you start posting someone some textes, looks like its really hard for you to accept you dont know much about trading . i really hoped you trading group helps you with your mistakes, but looks like there was no group and you need to bring this fact again and again and again, without attacking looks you are only a half man.
  • #313
  • Dec 5, 2017 2:26pm Dec 5, 2017 2:26pm
Quoting dkrock
{quote} We can discuss your problems the next time I am in Germany, if you can get your mom to drive you to a meeting place. You still know nothing about me. You didn't correct anything because I made no mistakes, lol. You couldn't even say what the mistakes were, nor the corrections. It is the same post that you use for everyone. You think the whole world is fake and liars...except you, the one person who has not proved anything about trading, and doesn't even know what a pip is. I do not know if I am supposed to laugh at your ignorance and ranting,...
i say you are a lot more unexperienced then you fake not to be, its easy to see in what you tell here!

more i did not say, only corrected some of your mistakes.

maybe you have a group, maybe not, not interesting because you dont have a good knowledge basic and you dont even have learnd many basics.

all i did see here was: you was very very often a big liar, to try to bring you in good light. for whatever reason, i think so (and hope) only because of very low ego and not for looking for selling something.

hahaha, thanks for remembering, you was the funny boy many people laughed about, who count his statistic in pips. true! now i remember, not so easy with you because of always deleting ,babe. you really try hard to delete all your problems that you can show you not this low level then many of your textes, so you cant get better with time, you make same mistakes again and again, even after explaining you your mistakes you really coud not see it. ok, then for sure you are a faker, you fake expereince, no, and 100% no , experienced trader counts his statsitic in pips. if someone do so he is not experienced. there are some things that cant happen, thats total basic math shit.
funny, i really forgot who was this pip counting man , you was it ;-) ;-) ;-). really thanks for remembering. that let show you trading group in lowest level light possible. i hope the others there help you a lot to compensate your low skills.

and thats not ranting, i write what you look like by what you write here.normally its no reason to show again at what low level skill trader you are and how unexperienced you are, but after you started again your attacking you looks like you really want to be informed about you again.
  • #314
  • Dec 5, 2017 2:51pm Dec 5, 2017 2:51pm
Quoting dkrock
i say you are a lot more unexperienced then you fake not to be, its easy to see in what you tell here! Proof?? more i did not say, only corrected some of your mistakes. You invented a business plan for me that does not exist, then you copied and pasted posts you made to other FF members about mistakes and corrections, LOL. maybe you have a group, maybe not I do, but since you know nothing about me, you assume you know about my group. You don't. We trade independent dumbass. Our trades are consolidated. It is called diversification. not interesting...
ok last post, you are this bad person you show here. when yopu would not live as coward and would delete all whats bad for you, i would not need to write it now again!

i say you are a lot more unexperienced then you fake not to be, its easy to see in what you tell here!
Proof??
-->you count pips in statistic, you write bullshit in posts (you deleted near all!, funny to proof with such a unhonest person), ... when i have time i look for all your mistakes

more i did not say, only corrected some of your mistakes.
You invented a business plan for me that does not exist, then you copied and pasted posts you made to other FF members about mistakes and corrections, LOL.
---> what? are you here as liar again, i cant even understand what you say with this bullshit sentence.

maybe you have a group, maybe not
I do, but since you know nothing about me, you assume you know about my group. You don't. We trade independent dumbass. Our trades are consolidated. It is called diversification.
--> sorry i am not interested to speak with such an very unexpereninced trader about a trading group. and this is no diversification, because last time you told me , you was souch a king, you was so nice to let other trade your trades in this group because you are so nice, this is then copying not diversification. learn at least the basics! now you trade independant, you chnage the story how you want sell it! typical faker like i told you.

not interesting because you dont have a good knowledge basic and you dont even have learnd many basics.
You have no idea what I know, so that must be why you keep writing to me. If you were really not interested, then why do I keep receiving posts from you?
--> i see by what you write what you know and unforunatly its not much. sorry to say you, you are more fanatsy then reality . speak abput topic you know about, then you look more real.

i did see here was: you was very very often a big liar
Same post you write to everyone else in FF, even to this thread's OP. We are all liars, except for you. You don't even know what a pip is, lol.
-->no, a liar i dont say this often. funny you say this, only some i wrote this, who are biggest liars, and looks like you are one of this.

I am still not going to teach you how to trade.
--> hahahaha, a loser want to teach other. sorry for this, but like i told you from beginning, i am not interested in anything with trading from your side, all the time you will try to cheat this ,looks realy you want to sell shit or want other sell your trading group.

live in peace man, but really, get a man and dont be such a coward, i have not often seen such a person like you, and i have seen many many problems in my live.
  • #315
  • Dec 5, 2017 3:09pm Dec 5, 2017 3:09pm
Quoting dkrock
From Scammers Hall of Shame this passiv marketing are many doing (writing extrem positive and faking many things and hoping someone will write by pm, so they can sell any shit, and same time dont get in commercial section). i had in last days one called Bigoldfella, he faked for days that he is a good programmer and has good signal service with made million with it. all his arguments was wrong, he had even arguments against his own resons and could not see. he looked same like trying that many write to him pm after he shows how "good" his signal...

hahah, you funny boy, this is the faker bigoldfella from thgis thread.

its already shown he is a faker, he fakes programming and signal services.
same like you faked experience and try to hide the unexperienced part, i only dont know if you want sell your trading group or do because of your ego problem. both good chance.

but really, did you not check that you mentioned the faker from this thread, so you read here :-).
  • #316
  • Dec 5, 2017 3:10pm Dec 5, 2017 3:10pm
Quoting VEEFX
{quote} It will take few months.. lol let it go dude. We have beaten this topic to death !
no let him please do, its not so much, because i only did answerd the extrem big misleading and wrong posts, normal mistakes are not so important
will be funny when he is recognizing on the one, that all of this are really fakers :-). his first exapmple was already stupid, a 100% sure faker he mentioned because dkrock was uable to checjk it because of big unexpereince. i will see more of this. looks he seachs only for my words, and not why i wrote it, so he can only lose ;-).

but its dkrock, on the end he will wonder why i call a faker a faker :-). funny boy.
  • #317
  • Dec 5, 2017 3:17pm Dec 5, 2017 3:17pm
Quoting dkrock
I can tell from reading post after post you have a one track mind. You are the Forex Police and everyone is scamming you, lol. Everyone is a fake and a liar. So, naturally, you think EVERYONE is. Each thread, each member, each post, is about your paranoia. Unfortunately dumbass, I do not sell anything, not systems, not trade signals, not anything. You have no proof of your claims. It is actually illegal to make false claims. Where is your proof? Your proof is to keep saying the exact same dumb shit you say on every other thread. Guess what? It is...
oh baby, you are my dream of a nightmare. what to do with such a low level boy.
i dont answer to your pip question, so stupid you cant be to know it by yourself. even i believe you are smart enough to google it.

and i did not call many fakers, only who are. show me who wasnt, and show me what i wrote and show to what answers i did wrote it. its like normal with you, you delete always you unexperienced part, wher you look like a coward , but in reallity your are only this, a coward who likes to attack. if you would be not so entertaining, i would say, live with your problem, so you make me laugh at least sometimes, because not often see people deleteing because are afraid other think they are stupid because of this big bullshit they wrote.
like always you are a big liar, you really call me like i say to many they are fakers, i reality i dont call someone faker if they dont look like this! and even all of this together are not really this much, only the people i did see with etxrem mislaeding probelms and mistakes what really needs to correct. thats a big difference to what you call me here " that i call anyone a faker", its perfect what call you a liar, telling all the time unhonest facts. you cant chnage reality by telling people all the time wrong facts, simple start be honest, why you cant be this only one week? whats your problem?

but funny, you look now in all my posting, what is there because i am no coward like you. and i am was not in military and i dont delete, you was and delet. what wil this tell about you? you try selling you trading group or what are you trying to do. after i mentioned this fact you did atacked my again and again, you come to other threats and started attacking again and agin. i did tell you, you are uninteresting and can fake what ever you want, when you do extrem mistakes i simple correct it, so easy. when you delete it all the time, it dont changes anything, people will see with time how unhonest you are.
  • #318
  • Dec 5, 2017 3:26pm Dec 5, 2017 3:26pm
Quoting dkrock
{quote} You are a fake and liar. No skills. No knowledge. No trading method. No screenshots. Only insults. Fake! Liar!
and again, no fact, nor arguments, typcial little low skill dkrock like normal, liar writing only bullshit. never seen different from you. trading clown group in his best.

i show you all the time why you are a liar, and its always correct, you cant say anything against any of this arguments,

and you have not 1 arguemnt, why i am a liar! funny , isnt it?

at least you see now, that you are at the end of you faking expereince by deleting all your bullshit. you cant write shit all the time, attack and attack and then delete all and put you in the light ans nice guy, you are sinple a liar with bad expereince., if you are good person in reality i dont know, that you are no good person in forum , thats for sure!
  • #319
  • Dec 5, 2017 3:32pm Dec 5, 2017 3:32pm
Quoting dkrock
{quote} You are a fake and liar. No skills. No knowledge. No trading method. No screenshots. Only insults. Fake! Liar!

you dont have to say anything else? resonding only nothing, no content?
i let you alone with your troll and liar image. stay well and next time when oyu attack me, you get again to hear what bad person you are, just to remember you who you are. you have never ever the ability to trade good, no trader would act like a child here like you do. sorry to see you completly kill yourself , you really need to delete now your posts, you look stupid. so see you in your next attacking round, you will never have a chance to live without attacking. so i wait your next entertaining program.
  • #320
  • Dec 5, 2017 3:37pm Dec 5, 2017 3:37pm
Quoting dkrock
{quote} You are a FAKE and LIAR. NO SKILLS. NO KNOWLEDGE. NO TRADING METHOD. NO SCREENSHOTS. ONLY INSULTS. FAKE!! LIAR!! I have as many facts as you do, but that doesn't bother you to call me names. How do you like it??
hehe, you have no facts, but good to see you as liar still working ;-9. whats you facts? you empty posting with attacking without reason?

its late,sleep well liar boy. what a clown, and by all respect, you deserve big psychiatric help.
last post to you, play with yourself.
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