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  • Edited at 4:43pm Feb 14, 2016 4:28pm | Edited at 4:43pm
  •  redbaron1981
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{quote} @redbaron1981 Maybe by doing this you can say oh look that kind of hit this random line I drew, so did this bit. That's just ridiculous though. The idea of the support and resistance, as I explained above, is to find those value areas. Those areas where price has moved away from where it "should be" to a different price. And as you'll notice, it's key swing points. There are many areas that you could say well that's kind of a support area or kind of a resistance area. All these levels are doing is showing us a price where there "MAY" be...
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Question: Have you ever watched transactions taking place through a centralised market place for example CME. CBOT various other venues?

Around a year ago I subscribed to some very advanced software similar to what Nanex is offering. The reason for subscribing was twofold, firstly I wanted to see if there was edge to having this kind of data. Secondly I wanted to get and idea of liquidity structure and to see if there was any correlation between volumes transacted at non significant price levels verses significant or what you will call value areas.

The conclusion of my own studies was that liquidity structure was mostly uncorrelated to price chart structure. Sometimes around highly visible highs and lows there would be an increase in HFT but not to an institutional level of volume, along with certain round numbers. The only time when there was slight correlation was around 52 week highs/lows but that was it. Whether this is due to the placement of support/resistance lines being highly arbitrary, I am not certain but I had seen enough not to have to dig any deeper.

"All these levels are doing is showing us a price where there "MAY" be some orders that will be relevant. Major levels are important and they do have an impact on trading. It's a fact."

Since you say that this is fact i.e a thing that is known or proved to be true, then I would like you to present the evidence you have that support your claim?
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  • Feb 14, 2016 6:59pm Feb 14, 2016 6:59pm
  •  GoldNugget
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there is no such thing as PRICE ACTION! all your charts,candlesticks graphs indicators are all representations of what the market is.

Unlike in the 80s where traders all met in the floor and exchanged orders based on either their sentiment or their edge,electronic trading has revolutionised that and now every tom,dick and harry who sits behind A PC and a 5k account is tallking about price action,Nowadays you arent only dealing with traders on the other side of your trades,their are algorithms that do this now and they MOVE FAST and created irrationality throughout the entire system,
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  •  jakeparkin
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Quoting redbaron1981
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{quote} Question: Have you ever watched transactions taking place through a centralised market place for example CME. CBOT various other venues? Around a year ago I subscribed to some very advanced software similar to what Nanex is offering. The reason for subscribing was twofold, firstly I wanted to see if there was edge to having this kind of data. Secondly I wanted to get and idea of liquidity structure and to see if there was any correlation between volumes transacted at non significant price levels verses significant...
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@redbaron1981

I don't see what the problem is haha. Obviously price reacts at different points other than the ones I mentioned, that's why it moves. And as I said, they're fractal. All I've done is come on to give my 2 cents to try and help, based on what I know works for me and has worked in the past. That's all I've ever done on this forum, try to help. So then being demanded to supply evidence of a whole range of things actually is quite disresepectful. Done on this thread.
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  •  redbaron1981
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Hi Jake,

Really I donīt mean to be disrespectful at all, its more that I love these kinds of debates.

Its always interesting to see what axioms other participants use with the market. Since part of trading is about getting as close to the truth as possible, whilst having incomplete evidence. I am particularly interested in what concept forming process(s), are applied in constructing these axioms.

It seems to me that making assumptions/learning from those who are also not successful can be a fruitless endeavor. After years on forums and still losing money I decided to pick apart every single concept, of what I thought I knew about the market. Pretty similar in a way to how a scientist will try to negate/confirm a hypothesis. The results were quite impressive in that 100% of what I assumed to be truths about the market could not actually be backed up by evidence. This was a huge turning point for me as not only had I wasted vast amounts of time, I also knew zero.

After this experience I really started to dig deep but into my own investigations, rather than what I had read on the internet. Besides price data I did not use anything that I had learned from before. No S/R , price patterns, trend lines, Fibonacci etc. The results made all the effort more than worth the hard work I put into it.
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Hi Jake, Really I dont mean to be disrespectful at all, its more that I love these kinds of debates. Its always interesting to see what axioms other participants use with the market. Since part of trading is about getting as close to the truth as possible, whilst having incomplete evidence. I am particularly interested in what concept forming process(s), are applied in constructing these axioms. It seems to me that making assumptions/learning from those who are also not successful can be a fruitless endeavor. After years on forums and still losing...
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Right on. Great post.
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