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  •  skyway
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Quoting hanover
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Well, GS got it half right --- EU certainly moved 3 big figures on the day! {quote} Like you, SK, I'm glad I stayed out of EUR. I guessed that EU was oversold, and that anything less than a very dovish outcome was already priced in, but I certainly didn't anticipate that result.
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Why I think GS analysis work(like any other) is crap and not 'half right' ?

Oct ECB meeting -

'Given EUR/$ is above 1.13 in the top half of the recent range, with short positioning in EUR continuing to decline, and because the ECB is unlikely to want to encourage a stronger EUR from here, we continue to favour EUR/$ lower.
Should we get a surprise easing announcement, we would expect the EUR to trade lower, particularly in the scenarios of either an increase in the run-rate of QE or a cut to the deposit rate by our estimates, a cut in the deposit rate of 10bp would be worth around 2 big figures in EUR/$," GS projects. '

"The single most important task for President Draghi and the Governing Council is to clarify their message at coming ECB meetings. Even if there is no near term QE augmentation or deposit cut, a lot can be achieved simply by stabilizing bund yields at a reasonable level (again, what matters is stability foremost), much as the Fed or BoJ did from the start of their QE programs

Were there any other foreseeable agenda on the horizon that ECB will or will not deliberate on that will aid EUR/$ go higher from here ? None.

They didn't get it right. Rather, they didn't get it wrong, Eurozone economies needed monetary boost which is why this QE is on the table in the 1st place. It's a case of yes or nothing more, which would you choose at that time if given the A-B choice to pick with the given state of the economies in the region ?

Dec ECB meeting -

"This weeks ECB meeting is therefore more than just the usual policy decision. It is about fixing some of the damage from the summer and doing it like you mean it. We think that dimension is underappreciated and means that, together with the low risk appetite typical for this time of year, the hurdle is low for a dovish surprise on December 3," GS adds.
"We continue to expect EUR/$ to head into the ECB at 1.05, drop 2-3 big figures on the day, and then fall to parity by end-December, aided by a Fed lift-off.
As risk-taking resumes in January, the divergence trade should pick up steam, with a possibility that our 12-month forecast of 0.95 for EUR/$ could be reached by end-Q1," GS projects.

This analysis can only be termed as a complete disaster, plain rubbish no ? It's a 3% gain not only on a single day but all done in a few hours. Bla, bla, bla.....they will do this and that and this and that will happen.....I particularly like this reference to divergence of monetary policy stuff which supposedly will give easy correct directional predictions of EUR/$. Remember this day - 3% in a few hours. And that Oct analysis came from the best economist money can buy. What more with the pretenders that peddle their ware which some of us seek as guidance ?

Best takeaway from this is......CB basic responsibility is to manage the monetary policy for the economy, not some foreign exchange rate which is an integral part of the whole fiscal mechanism. GS and the rest of the gang sell fictions to whales who generate business that justify their trillion dollar existence.

Well, now we have the NFP and Yellen's turn. Any more interesting fictions to read in between trading ?
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  •  hanover
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Quoting vasily
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if you are "glad" this time, next time you will not so you actually trading depending on luck {quote}
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IMHO traders should take only the opportunities that they believe offer high probability outcomes. For me, there were potentially too many ways that price could move as the ECB announcement unfolded, hence I was "glad" to leave well alone.
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  •  magnumfreak
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EURUSD has been very constipated lately. Someone gave it an enema and off she went.

I gave up trying to understand why a long time ago. Now I just trade the way I trade and ignore the rest. About the only time I won't take a trade is 30 min before and at least 30 min after a rate announcement. It's about the only one that I can honestly say when I look back it is easy to tell when they happened. Everything else is pretty much just a pothole in the road, irritating when you hit it but quickly forgotten.

I really feel bad for those who were short today. Looking at the chart this morning as things unfolded, I would have been short too. Because I trade on the very short timeframes, it wouldn't have hurt me as bad as some I know. The only thing that saved me was my rule about not taking trades near rate announcements. Once I saw the rocket launch, I just sat back and watched the show. All the time thinking to myself this can't go much higher. LOL! Sometimes not trading is a win.
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  •  Compulsive
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Quoting magnumfreak
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EURUSD has been very constipated lately. Someone gave it an enema and off she went. I gave up trying to understand why a long time ago. Now I just trade the way I trade and ignore the rest. About the only time I won't take a trade is 30 min before and at least 30 min after a rate announcement. It's about the only one that I can honestly say when I look back it is easy to tell when they happened. Everything else is pretty much just a pothole in the road, irritating when you hit it but quickly forgotten. I really feel bad for those who were short...
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Well said -
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  •  paka
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Quoting magnumfreak
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[...] All the time thinking to myself this can't go much higher. LOL! Sometimes not trading is a win.
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I am not quoting the whole message, but I think your whole post is a good take away message for any one, even those who trade during those volatile events. Personally, if I decide to wait, I gamble out of 10-15min wait. 30min wait is my take away for the day.
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  •  Borg
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Quoting paka
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Maybe I have my answer: {image}
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Hello paka:

That looks like a good answer to your thread question.

Do you have a link to that source ?

Thanks

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  •  pipmyride
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Quoting magnumfreak
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Sometimes not trading is a win.
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Hey man, followed some of your m1 stuff a long time ago, adapting to my needs. Good to see u are still here, are u still on the m1, have u changed much ? Have u got any threads detailing how u are trading now ?
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  •  numbnuts
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Funny how hindsight makes experts of us all ....

FWIW, having no idea what was about to happen, I was short E/U going into this with no TP in place, but with a S/L behind the last swing high at 1.0645 ... and although I lost, I would happily take that trade again. In fact if that situation presented itself a thousand times, I wouldn't hesitate to position myself the same way a thousand times. Sometimes you eat the boar, sometimes he eats you.
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Quoting numbnuts
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Funny how hindsight makes experts of us all .... FWIW, having no idea what was about to happen, I was short E/U going into this with no TP in place, but with a S/L behind the last swing high at 1.0645 ... and although I lost, I would happily take that trade again. In fact if that situation presented itself a thousand times, I wouldn't hesitate to position myself the same way a thousand times. Sometimes you eat the boar, sometimes he eats you.
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  •  lasty
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Quoting paka
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Can any one please explain, why did EUR/USD had such a huge bullish move? In the past, whenever ECB introduced additional QE the EUR vs USD was turning to the week side. Why this time EUR turned out to be bullish? Is this because of the deposit rate change from 10 points to -30? I have a hard time to understand the reasons. Can any one please explain it in plain English? Thank you.
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Market was short EUR Draghi didnt cut rates enough for the market liking .. end of ..
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  •  skyway
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GS update post ECB meeting -

'Even in the unlikely event that todays disappointment was a mistake, we think it has cost enough credibility that the Euro down story we had envisaged is now less likely to play out," GS argues.
"We are placing our forecasts under review," GS adds. '

MS -

"We think risks are now skewed higher in EURUSD into the FOMC, given the buildup in short positioning weve seen over the last month and no signs of additional ECB stimulus nearterm. But we would reload USD longs ahead of the FOMC meeting. As we discussed in last weeks Pulse, the dovish hike has become very consensus and the biggest risk to this view is an FOMC that fails to bring down the dots for 2016. Moreover, aggressively dovish changes to the statement may be difficult to reconcile with a data dependent approach," MS advises.
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  •  UnnamedPlayr
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Before the shoot-up, all i saw was that banks managed to liquidate (or balance out) Euro longs against their books (red vs blue lines).

Externally they already were balanced with CBs what i could see.

This happens very often before major/important news events, i.e. before NFP.

In that case (when everything is balanced) - (as today) - it's impossible to know the outcome (in which direction the market will shoot).
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  •  Mingary
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This type of thread is the tip of the iceberg ....
Moves that clean out all traders' accounts are recurring events.
First there is the day in day out series of everyday loses that no one talks about and then comes the tsunami to finish off every body else
The purpose of the financial market is to separate you from your money.
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Quoting Mingary
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This type of thread is the tip of the iceberg .... Moves that clean out all traders' accounts are recurring events. First there is the day in day out series of everyday loses that no one talks about and then comes the tsunami to finish off every body else The purpose of the financial market is to separate you from your money.
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Yes, because at the end of the day it is zero sum game.


The safest way to trade is to use low leverage something around 10/20
Buy at the Low, Sell at the High You make money by waiting not by trading.
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Quoting skyway
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Why I think GS analysis work(like any other) is crap and not 'half right' ?
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Sorry, I was being facetious (hence the smiley). GS were right about it moving 3 big figures, but they got the direction completely wrong! Instead of EU falling 300 pips, it rose by > 300 pips. Hence I agree, their forecast was a very long way off the mark.

Quoting numbnuts
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Funny how hindsight makes experts of us all .... FWIW, having no idea what was about to happen, I was short E/U going into this with no TP in place, but with a S/L behind the last swing high at 1.0645 ... and although I lost, I would happily take that trade again. In fact if that situation presented itself a thousand times, I wouldn't hesitate to position myself the same way a thousand times. Sometimes you eat the boar, sometimes he eats you.
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Exactly. If you have the necessary conviction that you have a > 50% probability of getting a certain outcome, then you should take the trade. I'm less experienced than you are; I didn't have that conviction, hence I chose to sit it out. In that sense I believe we were both "right" regardless of our respective outcomes.
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Quoting hanover
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Well, GS got it half right --- EU certainly moved 3 big figures on the day! {quote} Like you, SK, I'm glad I stayed out of EUR. I guessed that EU was oversold, and that anything less than a very dovish outcome was already priced in, but I certainly didn't anticipate that result.
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LOL....indeed Dave!
Yesterday, ECB pretty much screwed the call from GS.
This can happen though to anyone, GS included.
On the flip side, i read warnings of a miss and an unwind.

The better trade going in was always long EURUSD, as the market was priced for a dovish Draghi/ECB.
Expectations weren't met and an unwind of positions ensued.
But...you were going against the bigger play/macro trade.
It was a tough call and not enough edge for me to run anything EUR yesterday. Speaking from my position.
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If you have the necessary conviction that you have a > 50% probability of getting a certain outcome, then you should take the trade. I'm less experienced than you are; I didn't have that conviction, hence I chose to sit it out. In that sense I believe we were both "right" regardless of our respective outcomes.
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Well said!

But i do respect guys like numbnuts who played it out and worked to a plan.
He was obviously running with the 'fat' trade but no help short-term from the ECB.
Shit happens!
Solid trade nonetheless.
Not the ideal outcome but risk managed properly and onto the next trade.
Quoting numbnuts
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Funny how hindsight makes experts of us all .... FWIW, having no idea what was about to happen, I was short E/U going into this with no TP in place, but with a S/L behind the last swing high at 1.0645 ... and although I lost, I would happily take that trade again. In fact if that situation presented itself a thousand times, I wouldn't hesitate to position myself the same way a thousand times. Sometimes you eat the boar, sometimes he eats you.
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Quoting pipmyride
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{quote} Hey man, followed some of your m1 stuff a long time ago, adapting to my needs. Good to see u are still here, are u still on the m1, have u changed much ? Have u got any threads detailing how u are trading now ?
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Mostly by robot. I have two that work reasonably well in the market that give me enough to live on and a little extra. I am still a big fan of the 1 min and even the 10 second chart (which I have both up on my screen right now watching the EURUSD dip down pre NFP)

Every now and then I get to missing trading so I will go back to manual trading a small account. I am also working on blending multiple trading disciplines into a single trading method. Trying to pick the strengths from each style and filter out their inherent weaknesses. I believe that all trading styles have some merit, now I just want to pick the best and combine them into a trading Frankenstein. Maybe it is a waste of time or maybe I will find the Holy Grail. Until you try you will never know.

Glad to see some of my earlier posts helped you.
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Quoting alwijo
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Probably it is just price correction, as both the central banks have to balance each other out.
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Thumbs up. It;s a correction and hunt of stoplosses. I expect EUR/USD continue his fall long term.

This trade carry 0% risk , it's covered.

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  •  skyway
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Quoting skfx
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{quote} LOL....indeed Dave! Yesterday, ECB pretty much screwed the call from GS....{quote}
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Just want to say CBs do not go out of their way to appease or screw financial institutions expectations, they just pull the economic levers to best manage the economy, although I am not surprise the council had their eyes on the huge bets that were taken earlier which loaded the financial institutions biased expectations which will inevitably filter into their appraisal of the council's performance that we eventually get to read about from the consumers end.
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{quote} Just want to say CBs do not go out of their way to appease or screw financial institutions expectations, they just pull the economic levers to best manage the economy, although I am not surprise the council had their eyes on the huge bets that were taken earlier which loaded the financial institutions biased expectations which will inevitably filter into their appraisal of the council's performance that we eventually get to read about from the consumers end.
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Of course they don't. But its what happened!
A CBs primary mandate is price stability.

Personally, i think the CBs hate institutions running ahead.
We now have a EUR higher and it's not what the ECB want right now.

I noticed while watching the ECB presser that Draghi brought up something that could be implemented down the line.
He mentioned that a period preceding the announcement day, no ECB members would be commenting on policy etc.
Lets just say that most CBers suck at communication. And the market likes to get a little excited at times and run ahead of itself.
Then we get what happened yesterday.
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