Listen guys, if you want to discuss manipulated/rigged markets, then go and start your own thread and discuss it till the cows come home. I trade what I see...I monitor price movement, I watch potential trading opportunities develop, and if things shape up the way I want them to, I take the trade. I place my stop within my risk level and at a safe enough distance not to be stopped out by a small adverse move, and I wait, and I do that several times a day, sometimes less, sometimes more. I don't think about manipulation or rigging, it plays a zero % role in my trading. That is my line. If you want to conspiracize about dark forces working to kill you off as a trader, then go elsewhere...you can call your new thread the ' Darth Veder stop hunting paranoiac ' thread or something similar, but just keep that gibberish away from here, because honestly, it doesn't do anybody any favours. Thanks!