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My Iced Latte, Sandwich, Beer, and Midnight Randevous Trading Method

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  • damonl
    Joined Oct 2007 | 3,780 Posts | Status: Hold'em or Fold'em...hmmmmmm
My Iced Latte, Sandwich, Beer, and Midnight Randevous Trading Method


The trading method that allows me the freedom to check my charts morning, noon, night, and late night on my schedule, not the markets schedule!


What type of trading system is this?
Swing Trading.

What time frames does this system work on?
This method can be traded on anytime frame that you would like. I trade it using the daily charts, as that is the type of trading I like. I don't like the pressure of having to have to be sitting at my computer at certain times all the time. I want to get to the computer when I get there. That said, even though I trade the daily charts, I still check my charts at least 4 times per day, on my schedule, when I am able. (Thus the name.) As even though it is daily trading, things can happen and adjustmens made intraday.


What indicators do I use and how are they used?
FR Channel Indicator: I use this indicator to help me visualize and determine when price may be close to reaching a trough or a crown and might be poised to swing back in the other direction. Also used to used for possible profit targets. It is most useful for helping determine where price might be in space. Another words, keeping price from becoming lost.


FR Root Indicator: This is an indicator a buddy and I made a long time ago. I use it mainly to help my draw trendlines and to help visualiz divergence.

Stochastic: It assists with divergence and catching an entry that is too fast of the FR_Root indie. Mostly used if price has absolutely hit either the red or green trendline.

Counter Trend Lines: Vertical chart lines that I use to help determine entry and exit points of a trade, and possible confirmation that we are at a strong reversal area. These lines are drew of information from the FR Root Indicator.

How long have I been trading this method?
Not really all that long, however I have been trading for a lot of years and I have yet to go back to anything I have left behind. I am at the strongest point in my trading career that I have ever been at, and I plan to even get better from here. This trading method is the best thing that I have been using to date and the safest.


What is the risk/reward ratio per trade?
There is no preset determined amount that I use. However, it is save to say that most time, any profit targets start of being 5 times greater than the SL. It is a very safe method with small SL settings and larger TP setings. As such, we may take a few small losses as we move to position ourselves for the swing.


Is this a Martingale System?
I used it as one, yes. Because the risk/reward ratios for each trade are so much in our favor using this method, it is the smart thing to do. I just keep track of my losses and when I have reached the point to where it makes sense to adjust my lots to recover all my previous losses, I do so. I think this is the best and safest way to trade the system. However, it is not designed as one and does not need to be used as one.


What pairs does the system work with?
It works with all of them and I trade them all. Just no real exotics as there are enough pairs for me without them. I trade around 24 pairs and also monitor silver.


Why am I posting this method?
Because I think I am at the point in my trading where I will benefit more from helping others. I have come a long way in my trading career and my life and I wnat to start sharing what I have learned with others and in turn, given this system the best chance to reach its full potential, as I don't forsee myself trading anyother way than this ever in my life. I think that this trading method is home to me and now I just want to smooth out the edges with the help from others. Bottom line is that trading is boring, and so I would like to share it with others


What is the objective of the trading method?
I would say that the objective is to use solid methods to determine the tops and bottoms of a price run and placing an entry at those points with a very small SL. Then, letting the trade run, trying not to prematurely pick the end of the run, thus closing out our winning trade and open a trade in the opposite direction too soon.


Goals:
1. Set SL as close as possible, knowing that it is easy to renter without already having lost a bunch of pips in the mean time.


2. To let the trade go for as far as possible and to use chart sense to exit these trades and not emotion


3. To have as much convergence as possible between indicators before making a decision to enter or exit the market.


4. Be able to trade on my schedule, not the markets schedule.


Introcucing the Indicators & the Method

Template:
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Trend Channel Indicator (Settings 120,4):
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This indicator is like a static support/resistence indicator to me. Helping me idnetify the current range, trend, swing highs and swing lows. The indicator consists of 5 lines. Basically I am concerned with the line each side of the center line, as most of the time, price will stay between these two lines, However, if price does happen to go beyond either of these two lines, nothing changes. In order for me to start looking for short entry, I want price to get fairly close to or beyond my upper red upper channel line. It doesn't have to touch it, as sometimes it won't, but I do want it to get fairly close. If it doesn't get close enough, I will keep my current open trade and wait for another wave in the current swing to take me closer. As such, before I start looking for long trade. I want price to come failry close to or beyond my lower green channel line. Make sence so far?
FR_Root 1.1 Indicator (Setttings 2,13):
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This indicator really has multiple purposes. First, I like to use it to help me identify divergence, Second, I use this indicator to assist me in drawing my counter trendlines. These counter trendlines are crucial to the system, and getting them right can make all the differnce.
Stochastic (Settings 5,3,3):
Used to help me with a little more aggressive entries if needed. It also helps me identify divergence and, on that rare occassion when price action is so strong that FR_Root is not quick enough to help with trendlines. This is a secondary way of exiting one trade and entering another in the opposite direction.

SupDem:
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I basically just added this indicator as another tool to help with support and resistence areas, as that is what this whole system is based off of. Buyin of support and selling of resistence. I am just using default settings and despite what it shows me on the screen, I don't know much else about it.

Chart Lines:
I use diaganol counter trend lines to also help me when determining an entrance or exit point. I will use action of the FR_Root indicator to determine which two candlesticks to place my counter trend line through. Once these two points are determined, it does not matter if the line goes through 5 other candles or 20 other candles in placing that counter trend line. Once I place that counter trend line, then wait for price to either go beyond it by the distance of the squared off the "crosshairs". Or, I will wait for price to go beneath the highest low, or the lowest high of the nearest candlestick that is beyond the counter trendline we are working with. At this point I will than exit an open trade, before entering one in the other direction.

Setting the Stop Loss:
Once the trade is entered it is time to enter the stop loss. I am currently trying to decide on the right method for doing this, as I don't like to let the trade go against me too far before closing out, yet we are on the daily chart and I would like to give it room. Perhaps the ATR of the 4H chart, or one thing that I have done is take the distance between the green and red channel lines, and then divice that number by 4.5. This means that we should be close to a 4:1 ratio in our trade which is good odds. As well, the ATR of the 4H chart should but this ration in out favor as well. I have not really decided on anything concrete yet and am currently looking for what may be easy and consistent. Usually then I will cut my SL in half once price reaches the center line, putting the odds even more in my favor of having a winning system. This is also way I use it as a martingale, but not after each loss. I could go many losses in a row before having to calculate in the martingale. That is why I am not afraid of a martingale in this situation.

Trading Scenarios:
There are four things that I look for when entering a trade. Two of them have to there or I will let my open trade ride.
1. Is price close enough to the red or green trendlines for my liking?



2. Do I see divergence anywhere on my chart?


3. Has price crossed my counter trend line.


4. Price hitting support or resistence of the SupDem. (I would most likely look for to supporting scenarios with this)'

How to draw countertrend lines:
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Since there is so much opinion on the best way to draw trendlines, I have from here forward decided to draw all trendlines using primarily my Root Indicator. Using this, there is no more guess work when chosing what points to use. There are a few times when using the root indicator won't work, but there are other ways to deal with those situations, and it doesn't happen very much. Enjoy and Happy New Year -
In Conclusion:
This is a great trading system if you are interested in not spending your whole day at the computer trying to find the right place to enter the market. The set-ups are easy to see at a quick glance and you are back to going about your day. If it is time to enter or place a stop, this as well takes very little of you time. To me, this trading system offers me exactly what I am looking for in a trading system, as it does not eat up my whole life. I have studied charts for many years. Litterally just studied them and have tried many things. 99% of the things out there are not for me. But, every week I have gotten better and more confident, and as such, this is my best work to date.


I hope you enjoy it!


Dust

Live Life Large, Dust
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  • antoniomago
    Joined Jul 2009 | 23 Posts | Status: Member
It's sound good

Let's go
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  • cku
    Joined Jul 2012 | 89 Posts | Status: Member
lOOK INTERSTING
AM ALL EARS dAMONL
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  • mimaso
    Joined Jul 2010 | 3 Posts | Status: Junior Member
great intro bro...
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  • lucariga
    Joined Apr 2012 | 104 Posts | Status: Member
Dn'love martingale but i'm on the boat
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  • vmelnikov
    Joined Jun 2012 | 7 Posts | Status: Member
I'm in =)
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  • damonl
    Joined Oct 2007 | 3,780 Posts | Status: Hold'em or Fold'em...hmmmmmm
I will do more postings, etc. as I get a chance. Holidays are here, I have a few more finals to take, plus other hospital stuff happening. But, I will commit to getting it up here and helping people out as much as I can and see if we can smooth out the edges.
Live Life Large, Dust
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  • damonl
    Joined Oct 2007 | 3,780 Posts | Status: Hold'em or Fold'em...hmmmmmm
Quoting lucariga
Dn'love martingale but i'm on the boat
You don't have to use it as one. I just do. But, once you see some of the R/R ratios, it might not look so scary.
Live Life Large, Dust
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  • Dec 12, 2012 8:02pm | Edited at 8:30pm
  • damonl
    Joined Oct 2007 | 3,780 Posts | Status: Hold'em or Fold'em...hmmmmmm
Example: gbpaud long trade.


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If you take a look at this chart, it is apparent that price is down near my lower green channel line. All I need to do is make a decision if I am good with entering long near this price or should I wait. As you can see, I then drew a counter trend line and I waited for price to go above that line at squared off point of the 'crosshair'. Price reached that point and so I entered. Also, the fast and slow settings of the timing indicator have changed colors, so I may have entered long in real time if I was around at the time that one switched colors. My timing indicator is also below the 30 level. I then drew the nearest lower TL I could, and used the leveling of the 'crosshairs' again as the place for my SL setting. My initial profit target will be the upper red line, but will have to enter on any stop and reverse. The risk reward for this trade is very gracious.


Any questions?
Live Life Large, Dust
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  • FerruFx
    Joined May 2007 | 1,055 Posts | Status: MT4 EAs/Indicators/Alerts coder
Count me in ...
MT4 EAs/Indicators/Alerts coder
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  • damonl
    Joined Oct 2007 | 3,780 Posts | Status: Hold'em or Fold'em...hmmmmmm
Awesome! Welcome aboard. It is sure to be lots of fun.

Quoting FerruFx
Count me in ...
Live Life Large, Dust
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  • Winner1245
    Joined Dec 2012 | 376 Posts | Status: Member
hi dust
nice thread
as per your rules , we should sell when price touches red line and buy when price touches green line
and the timing indicator you posted should change colors right after that.
The default setting for timing indicator was len 7 ,0 .
what are the modified settings you are talking about?
Abt drawing a trendline and using crosshair, Tell me more about it
Another thing is that Sometimes when price touches either of the extreme line , it just consolidates around those lines instead of going in exactly pre determined position ?? how do u tackle that
im attaching some images please comment
And by the way DO YOU CLOSE HALF OF YOUR POSITION WHEN PRICE TOUCHES THE YELLOW LINE??

in usdchf picture there was long upper wick conforming bearish pressure right at the red line . timing indicator also changed color , would've been a golden trade almost 200pips.

when price reached its target we have a buy signal , if we bought it there, price went against 60-70 pips against us b4 coming close to red line
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  • ozpips
    Joined Sep 2009 | 313 Posts | Status: Jack of all Trades
More expansion on the beer part thanks
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  • ECO
    Joined Feb 2007 | 78 Posts | Status: Member
Ive had a couple off beers , BUT i think that trend line indicator is repainting
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  • Winner1245
    Joined Dec 2012 | 376 Posts | Status: Member
And also if the angle of the trend channel is clearly up or down , do u still look for the timing indicator to go below the 0 level ???
see eurjpy and cadchf
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  • magicpips
    Joined Sep 2010 | 167 Posts | Status: Member
you guys know trend channel repaints, right, so my advice don't use it, you will be burned, well unless you're doing a demo trading
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  • starlimit03
    Joined Feb 2009 | 39 Posts | Status: Member
The trend channel is quite similar to COG. similar to TMA ....all very huge repainters. their history cant be traded on as it keeps modifying all the lines as the market progresses. My guess is we would get on wrong positions more often than not(in an attempt to trade the dips and tops). Well theres no harm in trying.....
It takes the Mind to Make Money.............
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  • Winner1245
    Joined Dec 2012 | 376 Posts | Status: Member
Well this guy has opened positions on 16 pairs based solely on this strategy 2-4days days ago
he is up 9.8 % overall. with profit in 14pairs. I wouldnt worry about the repainting indicator. Some might argue that randomly opening positions on large no. of pairs (16) at a time would still get him profits, But the entries on all those 16pairs can be pinpointed to this system . thay are all near the red line or green along with the colour change of timing indicator .Regarding timing indicator i think damon is using len 5 insted of default 7(for early signal).
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  • billbss
    Joined Apr 2006 | 3,442 Posts | Status: Member
Repainting indicators
Martingale

Time to move on.
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  • sanmiguell
    Joined Feb 2009 | 27 Posts | Status: Member
MBFX system by Mostafa Belkhayate...
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