Hi apipshort, thanks for the last post. I checked the number of bars in the chart and it had 35000, ( thanks for telling me about the hover ), the MA indicator rejected the 7200 in the parameter so Im guessing theres an upper limit for calculating MA bars, ( it reverted back to 14 each time I entered 7200) I realise that my last three posts are probably not Z kit related and I dont want to clutter this thread so am happy if you delete any of my posts. thanks for the advice on version control. I am getting addicted to watching the nodding donkey.