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CrucialPoint's Brain Teaser to Fortunes

Quoting wendigo
crucialpoint does nothing but contradict himself i think he is just trying to act like he knows a lot when really he doesn't my thoughts crucialpoint is another moving average trader


WENDIGO
LOL - It cracks me up when people rip on CP! The frustration they feel because he JUST WON'T GIVE IT AWAY. It's amazing. Pretty sure that he said from his earliest posts that he will never reveal his method. So if you're reading just to see if he slips up sometime, give it up. Save yourselves the frustration.

I've read every one of his posts. I don't know his motivation, and I don't know his MYSTICAL method. What I do know is that he shows incredible wisdom of the markets, and I try to soak up as much as I can. If most traders follow the conventional wisdom, and most traders are losers, I welcome all the unconventional wisdom I can find. Thanks CP!
"A is A"
Just skimmed the thread as usual late to the party, this may have already been discussed.

In answer to the OP's question how this relates.

Calculating Pi appears to end in a random, non-repeating sequence. However it's the product of an exact equation of a circles circumference to it's diameter, pi=c/d. So when calculating Pi, although non-repeating and random like the next digit is always known as it's derived by equation.

The correlation here would be to suggest that the OP's regards the random-like nature of the markets is actually the byproduct of equation.

Is this the correct analogy or are we seeking to define the actual equation?

cheers
Quoting CrucialPoint
Oh it's hard to explain.... as long as you got my point, you don't need to explain yourself here.

With spinning lady... where do you draw a line when she turns the other way?
It doesn't matter does it? If you draw one line, you'll only have one reality to pursue. If you draw multiple lines, then you will have multiple reality and will conflict your judgement. I'm pretty sure you'll get what I mean.

Well, it is possible in reality with one condition; That the returns of your bet should be higher than the current returns. Instead...

Lets us say the market is the Casino,

you place a line on the chart and enter a trade if the 5min candle closes above/below the line (postion swaping above/below=red/black).
AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE price will move away from that line and will make up your losses + a desired Profit because the market moves thousends of pips from every point on the chart over TIME.(TIME=infinite)

has this anything to do with the way you trade?
Quoting Joe82
Lets us say the market is the Casino,

you place a line on the chart and enter a trade if the 5min candle closes above/below the line (postion swaping above/below=red/black).
AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE price will move away from that line and will make up your losses + a desired Profit because the market moves thousends of pips from every point on the chart over TIME.(TIME=infinite)

has this anything to do with the way you trade?
hi joe,
excuse me with regards to the particepents of this thread for going over old ground,but this spinning lady originally posted on cp,s jounal regarding the way we percieve information had a huge effect on my trading,when i originally read and watched the clip initially it did not sink in,infact it was many months later that i had one of those wow moments of understanding somthing new,and the inpact of that understanding was one of the reasons from being a breakeven trader to concistantly profitable one,so many thanks for that

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...98XIyy9U4#t=2s
Happy Christmas to all of you, hope all your goals come true!

Heres a nice video i would like to leave you all with:

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"Nothing exists except atoms and empty space; everything else is opinion."
Society has taught you how to fail, not nature.
Late comer to this thread.

But the thought that came to my mind.. was
Although Pi (Trading possibilities) is an infinite sequence, by just narrowing down to 39 decimal places it gets pretty accurate.
So my view is that don't go looking to plot infinity, just understand (look for) your "39" decimal places to give you more than enough.

Just a simple thot.. and that's what I understand/interpret from the video.. and probably also to my trading approach!

Cheers!
Chances favour the prepared.
Hi Crucail Point Merry Christmas and have a nice holiday.
Hi CrucialPoint,

Thanks for all your posting, learn a lot from them. Always appreciated.

















Taking this opportunity to wishes you a........





From Athene’s Theory of Everything;"In quantum mechanics, we have learned to approach reality differently and see everything as probabilities instead of certainties. In a mathematical sense, anything is possible. As well as in science as in our daily lives the extent to which we can calculate or figure out probabilities is determined by our intellectual capability to recognize patterns. The less biased we are, the clearer we can identify these patterns and base our actions on reasonable probabilities. Since it’s in the very nature of our brain’s left hemisphere to deny ideas that do not fit into our current paradigm, the more attached we are to a belief system, the less able we are to make conscious choices for ourselves. But by observing this process, we expand our awareness and enhance our free will."How does this relate to Pi? Pi is used to help estimate probabilities by allowing us to measure the area beneath a probability density function where that function is non-linear or curved as in the Gaussian or Bell Curve.
Squaring the circle is a problem proposed by ancient geometers. It is the challenge of constructing a square with the same area as a given circle.

W.D. Gann said that PRICE must be observed upon a circle -- then one must “square” that circle.


The solution of the problem of squaring the circle by compass and straightedge demands construction of the number
Quoting Legionary

The Revelation of the Pyramids
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2124189/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooy2LTJoMVM
History...
Great video, thank you.
Quoting Sarythsaya
Squaring the circle is a problem proposed by ancient geometers. It is the challenge of constructing a square with the same area as a given circle.

W.D. Gann said that PRICE must be observed upon a circle -- then one must “square” that circle.

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hi sarythsaya,

i used to constantly be bafald with these historic wonders,then i looked from another prospective.i believe they were built in a very symplistic way ,using there knowledge of the day and ofcoarse there interupted in built natural make up of inherent maths.

as time passes the symplistic becomes ever more complex,untill we no longer understand that a few stars, zero labour cost,a misunderstanding of our reason is quite simple and possible.the knowledge and complexity confuses simple truths

excuse my awfull spelling,and also ive quoted you sorry should have been juhamini
posted this one in my journal,thought some might enjoy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=hUp5ciynQzk
The very word itself ‘constant’ tells us that whatever the intangible unseen cause of markets are it doesn’t change hence the word constant.

The best example of a constant that all human psyche revolves around would be the number of hours in a day and on our planet that would be 24.

We have all seen moves from pivot to pivot ranging in time and breadth from small to large. So if cause is a constant and the effect (i.e Price bars) seems chaotic not constant, then there must be some type of ‘gear like a clock gear’ between cause and effect that transforms static cause into dynamic effect.

Maybe the root cause is electricity.
EK
Pay close attention because this has a lot to do with your trading.



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Quoting CrucialPoint
Pay close attention because this has a lot to do with your trading.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kdk9FG2aa3E
You can trust -- I guess, because it's evolutionarily inherent, anyway -- what they sense, the circumstances of their usual conclusions, and how they act,
and, if you can remove bias, what you also sense and how you act.
Then, it's that humans are also inherently adaptable, so that any approximation from given information may be too late.
Quoting CrucialPoint
Pay close attention because this has a lot to do with your trading.

Couple of things;
- correlation does not mean causation
- fooled by randomness, hindsight bias is alive and well in all of us
Quoting Nijee
Couple of things;
- correlation does not mean causation
- fooled by randomness, hindsight bias is alive and well in all of us
Excellent post.

Correlation does slice up the chart in almost every fashion,
and needs something to tie it down to more than random significance of one versus another correlation.

Maybe: A technical analysis covering, or several small TA's overlapping, most of a chart area, even a newly vertical one, may project for a more valid correlation.
Also, news or regular time events (session,weekend,holiday) may highlight causation that sets a correlation or two as more valid from then on.
My posts here at FF have always been advocating in regards of:
1. The future is very unpredictable
2. Don't predict the future
and lately, a very touchy subject regarding probabilities.

John Keynes is a very intelligent man. I hope his life experience can shed some of philosophical insights to help you with your trading as he had with my own philosophies and trading approach.

Pay close attention regarding:
Probabilities, about the future being so unpredictable (yet John Keynes became very successful - not due to probabilities), the theory regarding science and economics in relation with trading

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