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  • Nov 15, 2012 9:52am
  • Demos4x
    Joined Dec 2011 | 129 Posts | Status: Member
Quoting bythepound
As I was going through this great thread, I noted that someone had posted the percentage of times the PA hits S1, S2, S3 or R1, R2, or R3 if the trade originated off the DP. Does anyone recall this post? Is there anyone who trades pure Genesis on the 4HR?Thanks

Is this the one?
http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...60#post6128560

http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...59#post6128759
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  • Nov 15, 2012 10:06am
  • ziman398
    Joined Jan 2009 | 4 Posts | Status: Member
Lowongan Kerja : I am still learning this but this is great.
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  • Nov 15, 2012 10:08am
  • Ta Hui
    Joined Jan 2012 | 32 Posts | Status: Member
Quoting realjumper
Your EJ trade went well
Finally stopped out at +77 pips
So i end the day happy with my first Genesis trade.
Thanks to everyone on the Genesis team.

Ta Hui
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  • Nov 15, 2012 10:15am
  • imperatorfr
    Joined Apr 2008 | 98 Posts | Status: Member
Hi o/

I have a request for Genesis Team.

A master might make a recapitulatif eurusd on the day please with this model : http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...80#post5884880


Thanks you. I still find it hard to filter false signals.
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  • Nov 15, 2012 11:09am
  • bythepound
    Joined Dec 2007 | 292 Posts | Status: My trade methode: I only take TMS e
Yep! Thanks - that's the one.
Quoting Demos4x
Is this the one?
http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...60#post6128560

http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...59#post6128759
Without vision, the people will perish.
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  • Nov 15, 2012 1:42pm
  • Gumrai
    Joined Oct 2012 | 667 Posts | Status: Member
Quoting Roulette
I performed a pivots review of EURUSD (actually I performed this analysis for all markets I trade) for the period 10/15/2002 thru 9/28/2012 (so about 10 years) and discovered the following:

~The Low <= S3 5.56% of the time
~The Low <= S2 16.56% of the time
~The Low <= S1 42.60% of the time
~The High >= R1 44.97% of the time
~The High >= R2 18.27% of the time
~The High >= R3 7.19% of the time


What does this mean to me?
Shorting below or near S2 and Buying above or near R2 is a low-probability play.

My procedures were taken...
Interesting stuff, well done

The problem with statistics is that they can always be interpretated in a different way.
Looking at your results I can see that
When price broke S1, it also broke S2 38.87% of the time
When price broke S2, it also broke S3 33.57% of the time
When price broke R1, it also broke R2 40.63% of the time
When price broke R2, it also broke R3 39.35% of the time

So, particularly with the resistance in your results,there is statistically little difference of probable success between taking a long at R1 or R2. Price is likely to hit the next resistance approx 40% of the time in both cases.

Using your stistics in another way, I wonder if it strengthens the case for simply setting SL to B/E when R1 is hit and letting the trade run.
As an example
There is 30 pips between DP and R1 and 30 pips between R1 and R2.
You are very unlikely to enter a trade exactly on DP, so assume 10 pips above.
If TP at R1 =20 pips profit
Price then has a 40% chance of hitting R2 which will increase profit to 50 pips
Of course, we have no idea how often price would come back to B/E before continuing on to R2.
Also, if R2 is not hit, where/when to exit?
Food for thought.
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  • Nov 15, 2012 5:47pm
  • realjumper ● Online
    Joined Feb 2009 | 11,227 Posts | Status: Hasta la victoria siempre - El Che
Quoting Ta Hui
Finally stopped out at +77 pips
So i end the day happy with my first Genesis trade.
Thanks to everyone on the Genesis team.

Ta Hui
Congratulations on a very profitable trade. I have EJ as moving 198 pips in total yesterday and that's amazing. You'll recall that I was cautious of your entry after such a move already, but you and Genesis were right......well done
Doing what you like is freedom. Liking what you do is happiness.
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  • Nov 15, 2012 5:52pm | Edited at 7:01pm
  • realjumper ● Online
    Joined Feb 2009 | 11,227 Posts | Status: Hasta la victoria siempre - El Che
Quoting imperatorfr
Hi o/

I have a request for Genesis Team.

A master might make a recapitulatif eurusd on the day please with this model : http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...80#post5884880


Thanks you. I still find it hard to filter false signals.
You need to post charts so we can see what you are doing.....it's impossible to help otherwise
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  • Nov 16, 2012 2:18am
  • Jamz ● Online
    Joined May 2012 | 485 Posts | Status: Tops and bottoms are for bikinis
Here I see divergence with the 15minute usdcad chart.....
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  • Nov 16, 2012 2:25am
  • Ta Hui
    Joined Jan 2012 | 32 Posts | Status: Member
Quoting realjumper
Congratulations on a very profitable trade. I have EJ as moving 198 pips in total yesterday and that's amazing. You'll recall that I was cautious of your entry after such a move already, but you and Genesis were right......well done
Thanks RJ, .
and today is a brand new day.
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  • Nov 16, 2012 2:28am
  • insainty
    Joined Sep 2012 | 50 Posts | Status: Member
Any one see a nice long signal forming in EurJpy?
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  • Nov 16, 2012 2:41am
  • longfellow
    Joined Jan 2010 | 104 Posts | Status: Member
Quoting insainty
Any one see a nice long signal forming in EurJpy?

Good bounce right off the daily pivot. Same with CHFJPY, which I took for a quick 10 as it was counter trend and CHF news event had me close.
Follow the money --Mark Felt (Deepthroat)
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  • Nov 16, 2012 2:52am
  • braciola
    Joined Jan 2012 | 83 Posts | Status: Member
Quoting Jamz
Here I see divergence with the 15minute usdcad chart.....
tell me that there is resistance? I have 1.0017
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  • Nov 16, 2012 2:57am
  • braciola
    Joined Jan 2012 | 83 Posts | Status: Member
I saw it depends on the brokers how to choose the right one
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  • Nov 16, 2012 3:06am
  • Gumrai
    Joined Oct 2012 | 667 Posts | Status: Member
Quoting braciola
tell me that there is resistance? I have 1.0017
I know English is not your first language, not sure what you are asking.
The Daily pivot is 1.00176 on my USDCAD chart
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  • Nov 16, 2012 3:25am
  • Jamz ● Online
    Joined May 2012 | 485 Posts | Status: Tops and bottoms are for bikinis
I missed that AUD trade just after Frankfurter opened too.....one day!!!!!
"As a trader you have the luxury of doing nothing."
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  • Nov 16, 2012 3:39am
  • olivierforex
    Joined May 2011 | 621 Posts | Status: Just Call me Oli
Quoting Jamz
I missed that AUD trade just after Frankfurter opened too.....one day!!!!!
EA has been very good and smooth. For those who trade HTF or the 60-5 scenario it was a textbook case (all UK time) and in my view, one of the right ways to play the tops/bottoms:
.03.55/04.00 goes Short H1 Matrix + H1 Arrow
.04.45 Long M5 Matrix + M5 Arrow (countertrend)
.06.30 Short M5 Matrix + M5 Arrow + great M5/M15 Stox at 1.2366. Out for +43
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  • Nov 16, 2012 3:52am
  • Jamz ● Online
    Joined May 2012 | 485 Posts | Status: Tops and bottoms are for bikinis
very good Oli, I seem to prefer slow torturous trades requiring several cups of coffee and a packet of chewing gum - I love your charts and description which one day I can emulate! It is good to see a chart and the reasons for action.
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  • Nov 16, 2012 4:07am
  • olivierforex
    Joined May 2011 | 621 Posts | Status: Just Call me Oli
Quoting Jamz
very good Oli, I seem to prefer slow torturous trades requiring several cups of coffee and a packet of chewing gum - I love your charts and description which one day I can emulate! It is good to see a chart and the reasons for action.
Just because this trade was painfree it doesn't mean that I don't go through a fair amount of coffee myself lol.

On the subject of charts (because we prefer charts to opinions), I will be of making a post over the coming weekend about templates and for those who don't have standard Genesis charts, a quick way to amend them so that they can be posted in here and we see/discuss more of them.
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  • Nov 16, 2012 4:15am
  • iwan73
    Joined Nov 2007 | 221 Posts | Status: Member
Quoting olivierforex
.04.45 Long M5 Matrix + M5 Arrow (countertrend)
Hmm, EA is in up trend since 14 Nov. morning. So why you say that long trade was countertrend?
Because of H1 Arrow before that signal?
Where is my M15 Stoch coming from? Has it visited OS or OB area last?
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