Afghan central banker resigns, fears for life

• • Jun 28, 2011 5:31pm
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  • Jolly Roger

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  • US is damn good in doing wars, but very bad in nation building.
    
    As a warmachine, it's the latest higtech, and a military that is highly trained, motivated and effective.
    
    Our precense in any of the involved countries are those of complete strangers.
    
    It is not the tactics of yesteryears armies.
    
    Forts are built up, with concrete barriers, and barbed wire, these are big, like towns, including laundry, movie theaters, coffeshops, fast food , shoppingmalls, they are so big, there can be traffic jams, even include the all so common police that writes you tickets if you didn't follow the traffic rule. Communications center where you have contact with your family are big buildings where computers are lined up, there are gyms, and caraoke nights pretty often.
    
    The perimeter on bigger bases, is guarded with a mix of American forces, the routine , like convoy screening at the gates, is mainly done by contractors. The contractors are usually Ugandan solders under contract.
    
    The food in the messhalls,(DFAC) depending on where you are, the bigger base, the more buffet like, is the food. Smaller bases have simpler, but bigger bases have a messhall that will compete with any Las Vagas casino buffet, ( yes I am talking Kingcrab legs, and steaks, fruit choppers, ice cream with toppings,and most any of your choosing.)
    
    There are repair faciclities, administration , it's own airfield, and much more that makes up a city.
    
    It's a very good set up....no doubt, as close to perfection as it gets.
    
    The warrior goes out in convoys, and go to his assignement, patrol surveillence or whatever, once thie mission is over, it's back to the base , shower, rest and good meal, maybe a movie, and some pingpong, and then out again.
    
    That in itself is ensuring the warrior to be rested, have a save heaven and always up to par equipment.
    
    The downside.
    
    The forces will be complete strangers in the country they are in.
    
    There will be extremely little social interaction.
    
    The forces, by the citizen in the ountry they are in, will be seen as vehicles, tanks roaming around, airplanes flying endlessly, the sky filled with endless helicopter chop, only on occasion they will se a foot soldier, or a soldier sitting on top of a Humvee, or Stryker. Traffic is moved aside, when convoys are going through.
    
    It's a presence only, not a social interaction.
    
    There is no way to give other values , or recieve other values from the two cultures.
    
    A soldier will not meet, or can not bring in an Iraqi or Afghan friend to a rock'n roll concert on the base, or go to his family in a village for a family meal.
    
    It's two strangers that stay strangers.
    
    As for a military set up, I have no critisism what so ever, but as a social build up machine, ....well the military is very flexible, it showed it self to be so, and even had a lot of social interaction program in Iraq, even if the military is not set up, geared or trained in the matter.
    
    The military is trained and equipped to defend, attack destroy, occupy and control, that is the man purpose of any military, that is where the training goes, and there is where the resources are....and again,...I don't blame them, that's what they do, thats their function.
    
    The social build up part....it have tried,( as in Iraq) but it's not a military job in the first place.
    
    Would there be a unit, in size and resources as big as the armed forces, that will do education, do "village projects" to go in with engineers, and engage the whole village into making drainage systems, water systems, how to pave the streets, and how to start small businesses, and a lot of other social things that clearly helps the population the country would start to go in the right direction.
    
    Instead, we rely on corrupt politicians, write them a check, and get nothing socially done. The coalision gave back Iraq far too early, without any education on how a democracy works, Iran have huge influence there now. Before Iraqi politicians takes any bigger decision they have meeting in Syria and Teheran with their "advisors", right in front of our eyes.
    
    Military and social activites do not go hand in hand, while the Iraqis are drifiting towards Iran, we are sitting in out watchtowers in the bases looking at the darkness in our 4000 dollar nightvision goggles.
    
    In Afghanistan, rampant corruption ( as in Iraq) is mainstay, and the President of Afghanistan , highly critical of the US , is the one we support...
    
    The Taliban tactic is sooooo easy, they will just wait until we're gone and then they will be back...simple as that.
    
    Would we really occupy a country we would take control over ALL the social functions, and run it...then as time goes..when it is a running system, introduce (Iraqis...Afghans ) in the system, and ease ourself out of it, slowly step by step, monitoring it the whole time, making sure it is run without corruption, until they are able to do so completely by themselves...then we would be done. Now they would have their own military, and the whole social system behind it, that would ensure independence.
    
    Just going in with a big army, holding forts, and fly helicopters in the night, will never build up a nation.....and very doubful if it will defeat the enemy also,, especially if the enemy and the culture goes hand in hand....conventional forces are always easily identifyable...but without a social interaction, trying to defeat an enemy that is part of the culture is meaningless.
    
    It's not that the armed forces is bad per see, they are very good in what they re doing...it is the missing link, the society "reach out" ability, the society build up army, that is missing.
    
    Engineers, bankers, social activity program, schools daycare centers, working opportunities, and the base education to the broad population that will show how it all can be done.
    
    As it is now, the population doesn't know more than how to herd goats, ..he know how to do it, before, during and after the precense of any armed forces from any nation.
    
    The armed forces is just something that comes and goes...that's all. US is damn good in doing wars, but very bad in nation building. As a warmachine, it's the latest higtech, and a military that is highly trained, motivated and effective. Our precense in any of the involved countries are those of complete strangers. It is not the tactics of yesteryears armies. Forts are built up, with concrete barriers, and barbed wire, these are big, like towns, including laundry, movie theaters, coffeshops, fast food , shoppingmalls, they are so big, there can be traffic jams, even include the all so common police that writes you tickets if you didn't follow the traffic rule. Communications center where you have contact with your family are big buildings where computers are lined up, there are gyms, and caraoke nights pretty often. The perimeter on bigger bases, is guarded with a mix of American forces, the routine , like convoy screening at the gates, is mainly done by contractors. The contractors are usually Ugandan solders under contract. The food in the messhalls,(DFAC) depending on where you are, the bigger base, the more buffet like, is the food. Smaller bases have simpler, but bigger bases have a messhall that will compete with any Las Vagas casino buffet, ( yes I am talking Kingcrab legs, and steaks, fruit choppers, ice cream with toppings,and most any of your choosing.) There are repair faciclities, administration , it's own airfield, and much more that makes up a city. It's a very good set up....no doubt, as close to perfection as it gets. The warrior goes out in convoys, and go to his assignement, patrol surveillence or whatever, once thie mission is over, it's back to the base , shower, rest and good meal, maybe a movie, and some pingpong, and then out again. That in itself is ensuring the warrior to be rested, have a save heaven and always up to par equipment. The downside. The forces will be complete strangers in the country they are in. There will be extremely little social interaction. The forces, by the citizen in the ountry they are in, will be seen as vehicles, tanks roaming around, airplanes flying endlessly, the sky filled with endless helicopter chop, only on occasion they will se a foot soldier, or a soldier sitting on top of a Humvee, or Stryker. Traffic is moved aside, when convoys are going through. It's a presence only, not a social interaction. There is no way to give other values , or recieve other values from the two cultures. A soldier will not meet, or can not bring in an Iraqi or Afghan friend to a rock'n roll concert on the base, or go to his family in a village for a family meal. It's two strangers that stay strangers. As for a military set up, I have no critisism what so ever, but as a social build up machine, ....well the military is very flexible, it showed it self to be so, and even had a lot of social interaction program in Iraq, even if the military is not set up, geared or trained in the matter. The military is trained and equipped to defend, attack destroy, occupy and control, that is the man purpose of any military, that is where the training goes, and there is where the resources are....and again,...I don't blame them, that's what they do, thats their function. The social build up part....it have tried,( as in Iraq) but it's not a military job in the first place. Would there be a unit, in size and resources as big as the armed forces, that will do education, do "village projects" to go in with engineers, and engage the whole village into making drainage systems, water systems, how to pave the streets, and how to start small businesses, and a lot of other social things that clearly helps the population the country would start to go in the right direction. Instead, we rely on corrupt politicians, write them a check, and get nothing socially done. The coalision gave back Iraq far too early, without any education on how a democracy works, Iran have huge influence there now. Before Iraqi politicians takes any bigger decision they have meeting in Syria and Teheran with their "advisors", right in front of our eyes. Military and social activites do not go hand in hand, while the Iraqis are drifiting towards Iran, we are sitting in out watchtowers in the bases looking at the darkness in our 4000 dollar nightvision goggles. In Afghanistan, rampant corruption ( as in Iraq) is mainstay, and the President of Afghanistan , highly critical of the US , is the one we support... The Taliban tactic is sooooo easy, they will just wait until we're gone and then they will be back...simple as that. Would we really occupy a country we would take control over ALL the social functions, and run it...then as time goes..when it is a running system, introduce (Iraqis...Afghans ) in the system, and ease ourself out of it, slowly step by step, monitoring it the whole time, making sure it is run without corruption, until they are able to do so completely by themselves...then we would be done. Now they would have their own military, and the whole social system behind it, that would ensure independence. Just going in with a big army, holding forts, and fly helicopters in the night, will never build up a nation.....and very doubful if it will defeat the enemy also,, especially if the enemy and the culture goes hand in hand....conventional forces are always easily identifyable...but without a social interaction, trying to defeat an enemy that is part of the culture is meaningless. It's not that the armed forces is bad per see, they are very good in what they re doing...it is the missing link, the society "reach out" ability, the society build up army, that is missing. Engineers, bankers, social activity program, schools daycare centers, working opportunities, and the base education to the broad population that will show how it all can be done. As it is now, the population doesn't know more than how to herd goats, ..he know how to do it, before, during and after the precense of any armed forces from any nation. The armed forces is just something that comes and goes...that's all.
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