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Forexfactory Cheats Exposed!

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On April 20 Forexfactory quietly unleashed a neat little feature that allows for more transparent voting by showing who has voted for and against an article...

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- Apr 22, 2009 6:54am
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- ns_karthik
  
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- whats more, they vote down the articles of other users which seem to be getting good votes.... whats more, they vote down the articles of other users which seem to be getting good votes....
- Apr 22, 2009 7:11am
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- simonwilson5
  
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- ...It is very shameless and greedy and needs to stop ...It is very shameless and greedy and needs to stop
- Apr 22, 2009 7:32am
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- Patience
  
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- What an excellent feature (took me a few minutes to work out how to do it - doh!). Had a quick squizz at a few articles. It's amazing how many voters are non-participants on the forum threads - they are purely voters for the news stories ....
  
  Well it made me giggle ... I always wondered who the "faders" were when I thought an article was really informative and now I know - you can run, but you can't hide - well not anymore ... What an excellent feature (took me a few minutes to work out how to do it - doh!). Had a quick squizz at a few articles. It's amazing how many voters are non-participants on the forum threads - they are purely voters for the news stories .... Well it made me giggle ... I always wondered who the "faders" were when I thought an article was really informative and now I know - you can run, but you can't hide - well not anymore ...
- Apr 22, 2009 8:38am | Edited at 8:58am
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- Trout
  
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- Thanks Simon! Now we just need the posters to show thier account statements just to show they actually have accounts. Thanks Simon! Now we just need the posters to show thier account statements just to show they actually have accounts. ;)
- Apr 22, 2009 8:50am | Edited at 9:27am
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- NewstraderFX
  
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- I never liked the voting system in the first place and I was there as it was implemented. I expressed to FF that FF should be the arbiter that determines which news stories are important and which should stay on the news page, because readers with less experience would be able to depend on FF to tell them what was important.
  
  FF has a system where they can track double votes coming from the same computer, so that really doesn't happen.
  
  But I can also tell you that it's very frustrating to spend a lot of time writing an article that gets voted down by the same people because they don't like you personally. I never liked the voting system in the first place and I was there as it was implemented. I expressed to FF that FF should be the arbiter that determines which news stories are important and which should stay on the news page, because readers with less experience would be able to depend on FF to tell them what was important. FF has a system where they can track double votes coming from the same computer, so that really doesn't happen. But I can also tell you that it's very frustrating to spend a lot of time writing an article that gets voted down by the same people because they don't like you personally.
- Apr 22, 2009 9:14am
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- jbadoz
  
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- Watch out this guys!!!
  The 3 most egregious, greedy cheaters, followed by 2 lessers are:
  
  *fxinstructor - probably the worst of all, using tons of accounts to vote themselves up, even using 3 with names of people at the company or the company name itself
  *spikecharts - tons of accounts all voting on each article, including multiples directly associated by name with the company (Manousarides, Spikecharts)
  *forexmillion - has at least 4 voting accounts that vote on literally every article
  *learningmarkets - double voting accounts from lmarkets and PFXGlobal, same company
  *The LFB - double voting accounts, newstraderfx and thelfb, also lots of voting down competitor articles Watch out this guys!!! The 3 most egregious, greedy cheaters, followed by 2 lessers are: *fxinstructor - probably the worst of all, using tons of accounts to vote themselves up, even using 3 with names of people at the company or the company name itself *spikecharts - tons of accounts all voting on each article, including multiples directly associated by name with the company (Manousarides, Spikecharts) *forexmillion - has at least 4 voting accounts that vote on literally every article *learningmarkets - double voting accounts from lmarkets and PFXGlobal, same company *The LFB - double voting accounts, newstraderfx and thelfb, also lots of voting down competitor articles
- Apr 22, 2009 10:04am
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- Maxsmart
  
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- I guess you guys really care about gettin credit and bein read huh... I don't see how it really matters. And the ones you mention as "cheaters" are actually usually the most useful. I guess you guys really care about gettin credit and bein read huh... I don't see how it really matters. And the ones you mention as "cheaters" are actually usually the most useful.
- Apr 22, 2009 10:10am
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- Dave Floyd
  
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- Thanks - I always secretly knew there was a bunch of this bs going on - some of the most voted for articles are often, in my professional opinion, absolute garbage.
  
  I will be honest - I post here to get attention and eyeballs, and given that I have been around for 15 years, my posts are often more well thought out than some of the 'Technical Analysis 101' garbage I see that seems to get glowing reviews.
  
  Anyways, glad to see that a light is being shined on this practice. BTW - I vote for my own stories, just to be up front Thanks - I always secretly knew there was a bunch of this bs going on - some of the most voted for articles are often, in my professional opinion, absolute garbage. I will be honest - I post here to get attention and eyeballs, and given that I have been around for 15 years, my posts are often more well thought out than some of the 'Technical Analysis 101' garbage I see that seems to get glowing reviews. Anyways, glad to see that a light is being shined on this practice. BTW - I vote for my own stories, just to be up front :)
- Apr 22, 2009 10:27am
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- KalaN
  
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- Yes Yes! I knew it! i say everybody can feel that there are bigger hands inside this job and they try to redirect people minds to their beneficial ways.Thank you for Revealing the truth with this article. Yes Yes! I knew it! i say everybody can feel that there are bigger hands inside this job and they try to redirect people minds to their beneficial ways.Thank you for Revealing the truth with this article.
- Apr 22, 2009 10:50am
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- Trout
  
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- ROFLMAO...this is great!
  
  The bottom line is most of what's out there -- words and videos -- only contributes to the fact that 90% of account holders lose money. I prefer to be read by the other 5 to 10%. It's quality over quantity for sure.
  
  Knowledgable traders who can also piece together an article have no problem getting their ideas and strategies published in magazines and even books, which makes them professionals, because they get paid for it. Contributors like these will always get enough votes to stay in the pack, and if you also notice, votes don't always equate to how many people actually clicked on the story.
  
  I really wish I could give my best stuff away like I used to -- which were stories that always got the fewest votes lolol -- but it's not fair to the people who pay for it and publish it. Not to mention those amatuer offenders who poached it and reworded it the following week.
  
  Bottom line, ya' gotta' love the freedom of expression and ideas for sure!!! ROFLMAO...this is great! The bottom line is most of what's out there -- words and videos -- only contributes to the fact that 90% of account holders lose money. I prefer to be read by the other 5 to 10%. It's quality over quantity for sure. Knowledgable traders who can also piece together an article have no problem getting their ideas and strategies published in magazines and even books, which makes them professionals, because they get paid for it. Contributors like these will always get enough votes to stay in the pack, and if you also notice, votes don't always equate to how many people actually clicked on the story. I really wish I could give my best stuff away like I used to -- which were stories that always got the fewest votes lolol -- but it's not fair to the people who pay for it and publish it. Not to mention those amatuer offenders who poached it and reworded it the following week. Bottom line, ya' gotta' love the freedom of expression and ideas for sure!!!
- Apr 22, 2009 11:10am | Edited at 11:17am
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- strategist
  
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- Quoting jbadoz
  
  Watch out this guys!!! The 3 most egregious, greedy cheaters, followed by 2 lessers are: *fxinstructor - probably the worst of all
  
  You think so?
  I think that they are one of the best.
  for the free service need to say thanks
  why you can not assume that the same people can vote for articles of the same authors?
  I did not notice that one had voted against the author by other authors
  you have such statistics?
  by this article, you create your site rating, but does not provide real information
  Many who read this article might think that all that is written in pure truth, but where is it? You think so? I think that they are one of the best. for the free service need to say thanks why you can not assume that the same people can vote for articles of the same authors? I did not notice that one had voted against the author by other authors you have such statistics? by this article, you create your site rating, but does not provide real information Many who read this article might think that all that is written in pure truth, but where is it?
- Apr 22, 2009 11:29am
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- blacksun1
  
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- honestly strategist? LOL!!!! the third group on the list is fxmillion or in other words, forex million. and your avatar has the forex million logo. so yeah, i'm not going to take what you say without a few grains of salt. lol. ridiculous.
  
  but yeah, i never liked learning markets. they seem like a bunch of d-bags. i've pointed out flaws in their articles before, and then have had like thirty people attack me for it. even when i was right lol. so yeah, i wouldn't put it past them. honestly strategist? LOL!!!! the third group on the list is fxmillion or in other words, forex million. and your avatar has the forex million logo. so yeah, i'm not going to take what you say without a few grains of salt. lol. ridiculous. but yeah, i never liked learning markets. they seem like a bunch of d-bags. i've pointed out flaws in their articles before, and then have had like thirty people attack me for it. even when i was right lol. so yeah, i wouldn't put it past them.
- Apr 22, 2009 11:31am
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- strategist
  
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- Quoting blacksun1
  
  honestly strategist? LOL!!!! the third group on the list is fxmillion or in other words, forex million. and your avatar has the forex million logo.
  
  and so? and so?
- Apr 22, 2009 11:37am
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- Yohay
  
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- I think that a news section run by the community is a good idea. I post a significant part of my blog posts ( forexcrunch.com ) to the news. Some become popular and some don't. It's OK. I accept that some posts are better than others.
  I have only one account, and my full name is available here and on my site. I vote for my posts, since I think they're good I also vote for others' posts.
  
  My only problem is with these companies that use many accounts to push their posts up. I hope that this transparency will cause these organized companies to stop doing this. I think that a news section run by the community is a good idea. I post a significant part of my blog posts ( forexcrunch.com ) to the news. Some become popular and some don't. It's OK. I accept that some posts are better than others. I have only one account, and my full name is available here and on my site. I vote for my posts, since I think they're good :) I also vote for others' posts. My only problem is with these companies that use many accounts to push their posts up. I hope that this transparency will cause these organized companies to stop doing this.
- Apr 22, 2009 11:44am
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- simonwilson5
  
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- Forexmillion you are a huge cheat! Is it mere coincidence that every article you write,which is all basic tehnical analysis 101, outperforms others in views by over 1000% and that the same voters always vote for you, you really think people are buying that?
  
  Then you sidestep by talking about fxinstructor, when they are the most obviou of all seeing that Mihaifx, jckriek, and fxinstructor account are all within same company ~ and there are far more fraudsters involved than that, are you delusional or just slow?
  
  Now, LFB, really? I KNOW you cannot be this slow. Others do it so we had to? Ok well I guess we know where your ethics are. Why should it be ok for you to step over other business in a short term greedy race which gives you huge edges over tons of other posterrs. You are going to rationalize and start stripping your votes to hide them. Then you have the audacity to act like that cover up is a measure of good faith, as if that restores lost traffic to other providers you have stolen from? Nothing less than an apology was in order, but I see how you play, and all this from someone who tries to form voting alliances with other members, yes I also know about this.
  
  I do know many things that go on in this industry so let's cut the crap. Forexmillion you are a huge cheat! Is it mere coincidence that every article you write,which is all basic tehnical analysis 101, outperforms others in views by over 1000% and that the same voters always vote for you, you really think people are buying that? Then you sidestep by talking about fxinstructor, when they are the most obviou of all seeing that Mihaifx, jckriek, and fxinstructor account are all within same company ~ and there are far more fraudsters involved than that, are you delusional or just slow? Now, LFB, really? I KNOW you cannot be this slow. Others do it so we had to? Ok well I guess we know where your ethics are. Why should it be ok for you to step over other business in a short term greedy race which gives you huge edges over tons of other posterrs. You are going to rationalize and start stripping your votes to hide them. Then you have the audacity to act like that cover up is a measure of good faith, as if that restores lost traffic to other providers you have stolen from? Nothing less than an apology was in order, but I see how you play, and all this from someone who tries to form voting alliances with other members, yes I also know about this. I do know many things that go on in this industry so let's cut the crap.
- Apr 22, 2009 11:52am
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- strategist
  
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- Quoting simonwilson5
  
  Then you sidestep by talking about fxinstructor, when they are the most obviou of all seeing that Mihaifx, jckriek, and fxinstructor account are all within same company ~ and there are far more fraudsters involved than that, are you delusional or just slow?
  
  these three men, these are the people who write these articles
  if the author likes his own article, why he could not vote for it? these three men, these are the people who write these articles if the author likes his own article, why he could not vote for it?
- Apr 22, 2009 11:57am
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- blacksun1
  
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- Quoting strategist
  
  Quoting blacksun1
  
  honestly strategist? LOL!!!! the third group on the list is fxmillion or in other words, forex million. and your avatar has the forex million logo.
  
  and so?
  
  and so you work for them. i'm not gonna to beleive all the "they're good people, i swear" crap when you are the one calling yourself the good guy.
  
  i don't know. this whole thing is retarded. it's like a little arguement war between little kids. "my article is better than yours, so i'm gonna vote yours down and mine up" lol. talk about immature. i thought these guys were supposed to be professionals. and so you work for them. i'm not gonna to beleive all the "they're good people, i swear" crap when you are the one calling yourself the good guy. i don't know. this whole thing is retarded. it's like a little arguement war between little kids. "my article is better than yours, so i'm gonna vote yours down and mine up" lol. talk about immature. i thought these guys were supposed to be professionals.
- Apr 22, 2009 12:01pm
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- simonwilson5
  
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- Stop please stop now you really have laughing, you are a particularly special case, you really should just stop saying such ridiculous things now, there are a lot of people reading this. Stop please stop now you really have laughing, you are a particularly special case, you really should just stop saying such ridiculous things now, there are a lot of people reading this.
- Apr 22, 2009 12:06pm
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- strategist
  
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- Quoting blacksun1
  
  Quoting strategist
  
  Quoting blacksun1
  
  honestly strategist? LOL!!!! the third group on the list is fxmillion or in other words, forex million. and your avatar has the forex million logo.
  
  and so?
  
  and so you work for them.
  
  I anybody does not work, my site is there for two years and all these two years, the entire service on my site has always been free.
  if my service is free, about what work can we speak?
  
  Quoting blacksun1
  
  i don't know. this whole thing is retarded. it's like a little arguement war between little kids. "my article is better than yours, so i'm gonna vote yours down and mine up" lol. talk about immature. i thought these guys were supposed to be professionals.
  
  They are so professional, you can doubt this?
  
  I repeat once again that I did not see this, that one author had voted against the articles of other authors I anybody does not work, my site is there for two years and all these two years, the entire service on my site has always been free. if my service is free, about what work can we speak? They are so professional, you can doubt this? I repeat once again that I did not see this, that one author had voted against the articles of other authors
- Apr 22, 2009 12:09pm
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- strategist
  
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- Quoting TheLFB.com
  
  Point of note; New article just posted that includes the dollar index chart (that few people see on a daily basis but sets major forex valuations) and forward price points that need to be hit for the majors to break and hold. This is all forward thinking, forward price points, is proprietary and written initially as one of ten for LFB members, that now all can share in; http://www.forexfactory.com/news.php?do=news&id=164839 No initial vote from us sent it to the Forex Factory bowels, never to be seen again, and it is information that...
  
  just the author of the article wanted to establish the popularity of his site by dirty way just the author of the article wanted to establish the popularity of his site by dirty way
- Apr 22, 2009 12:17pm
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- simonwilson5
  
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- Quoting TheLFB.com
  
  Point of note; New article just posted that includes the dollar index chart (that few people see on a daily basis but sets major forex valuations) and forward price points that need to be hit for the majors to break and hold.
  
  This is all forward thinking, forward price points, is proprietary that now all can share in; http://www.forexfactory.com/news.php...&id=164839
  
  No initial vote from us sent it to the Forex Factory bowels, never to be seen again, and it is information that is actionable. Without a vote on it traders...
  
  Of course I do fully agree action should and must be taken, but all the focus on how imortant it is people read your articles? Should not everyone enjoy the same opportuntiy as you? Might you enjoy less performane when playing fairly, I WOULD EXPECT SO YES. SORRY FOR THE CAPS IT IS MY PHONE. IF YOU REALLY WANT A DISCUSSION ON SOLUTIONS HIT THAT BLOG SO I DONLT HAVE TO TYPE THIS OUT ON MY PHONE AND CAN USE A KEYBOARD (REMAINIING ANONYMOOUS TO ESCAPE REPRISAL)
  
  I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO HEAR IF FF MODS HAVE IDEAS, AS ISAID THE CHEATERS WILL JUST GROW MORE CLEVER Of course I do fully agree action should and must be taken, but all the focus on how imortant it is people read your articles? Should not everyone enjoy the same opportuntiy as you? Might you enjoy less performane when playing fairly, I WOULD EXPECT SO YES. SORRY FOR THE CAPS IT IS MY PHONE. IF YOU REALLY WANT A DISCUSSION ON SOLUTIONS HIT THAT BLOG SO I DONLT HAVE TO TYPE THIS OUT ON MY PHONE AND CAN USE A KEYBOARD (REMAINIING ANONYMOOUS TO ESCAPE REPRISAL) I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO HEAR IF FF MODS HAVE IDEAS, AS ISAID THE CHEATERS WILL JUST GROW MORE CLEVER
- Apr 22, 2009 12:18pm
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- StockKJay
  
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- Not news... (-) Not news... (-) :)
- Apr 22, 2009 12:21pm
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- simonwilson5
  
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- True guess its a good thing the submission form does not describe it as needing to be news True guess its a good thing the submission form does not describe it as needing to be news
- Apr 22, 2009 12:29pm
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- jbadoz
  
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- Forex Million, just tell us if you are really trying to service our community in exchange for web page hits from us. You know FF is the most populated web page for forex traders and you fully understand my question. But the information you gave us, for what is intended for? Forex Million, just tell us if you are really trying to service our community in exchange for web page hits from us. You know FF is the most populated web page for forex traders and you fully understand my question. But the information you gave us, for what is intended for?
- Apr 22, 2009 12:32pm
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- strategist
  
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- Quoting jbadoz
  
  Forex Million, just tell us if you are really trying to service our community in exchange for web page hits from us. You know FF is the most populated web page for forex traders and you fully understand my question. But the information you gave us, for what is intended for?
  
  You want to know why I posts my analytics for free? You want to know why I posts my analytics for free?
- Apr 22, 2009 12:33pm
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- jbadoz
  
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- Quoting strategist
  
  Quoting jbadoz
  
  Forex Million, just tell us if you are really trying to service our community in exchange for web page hits from us. You know FF is the most populated web page for forex traders and you fully understand my question. But the information you gave us, for what is intended for?
  
  You want to know why I posts my analytics for free?
  
  Yes i do Yes i do
- Apr 22, 2009 12:38pm
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- J12etnies
  
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- Damn! el Pibe Valderrama keepin it gangsta!
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZ5iN2dANu0 Damn! el Pibe Valderrama keepin it gangsta! [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZ5iN2dANu0[/url]
- Apr 22, 2009 12:41pm | Edited at 12:44pm
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- strategist
  
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- Quoting jbadoz
  
  Quoting strategist
  
  Quoting jbadoz
  
  Forex Million, just tell us if you are really trying to service our community in exchange for web page hits from us. You know FF is the most populated web page for forex traders and you fully understand my question. But the information you gave us, for what is intended for?
  
  You want to know why I posts my analytics for free?
  
  Yes i do
  
  Because I like to do it.
  I like FOREX - it's very interesting logic game that gives many-many moneys
  
  yet it helps to see better market when you know that bear responsibility for the people who read your predictions
  
  sometimes I do not wish to analyze the market, but I know that poor analysis can harm my trade
  I know that people are reading my predictions that help them to trade and this understanding leads me to do market analysis to better, that increases the profitability of my trade Because I like to do it. I like FOREX - it's very interesting logic game that gives many-many moneys ;) yet it helps to see better market when you know that bear responsibility for the people who read your predictions sometimes I do not wish to analyze the market, but I know that poor analysis can harm my trade I know that people are reading my predictions that help them to trade and this understanding leads me to do market analysis to better, that increases the profitability of my trade
- Apr 22, 2009 12:43pm
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- mikej
  
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- simonwilson5, you speak about fake accounts - and your account is only 4 days old! Is this the only account you have? simonwilson5, you speak about fake accounts - and your account is only 4 days old! Is this the only account you have?
- Apr 22, 2009 12:56pm
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- JCKriek
  
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- Dear Simonwilson5, jbadoz and other respectful members of the community.
  
  First of all, quite frankly, I find it rather offensive and tasteless to insult the work of ANY market analyst - both our FX Instructor guys, and anyone else at ForexFactory sharing their hard work with the community, for free. It is really NOT easy to write articles employing personal knowledge and experience, and then give them out to be judged and commented on - sometimes quite harshly. We do our best to write professional and really useful articles - which a lot of our subscribers sincerely like, and vote for them if they found them useful. These are people from all over the world, and we understand and accept their votes as appreciation of our hard work.
  
  Yes, the three of us (Setyo, Mihai, and myself) vote for our work. If we can't vote for our own analysis - then we simply won't do it. 3 missing votes won't change the fact that we have support from our fellow traders who like our commentaries. FF already has safeguards in place that prevent the same people from using multiple accounts - and while people COULD theoretically go to great lengths (rented IPs, multiple PCs, whatever) to game the voting - it is simply unfair and shortsighted to suspect every positive vote as 'cheating'. If you think it would help the situation, then we would certainly support FF disabling the ability to vote for your own posts. Would it make a difference? I doubt it.
  
  Yes, unfortunately our writers don't participate on the FF forums as regulars - simply because they have no time for this. We do participate actively on our own website and blog, analyze the market, trade, and teach other traders. Forex Factory is the best place where we can present our analysis for the judgment of all market participants and their peers - and until now it was a really nice and professionally run place for such exchange of ideas.
  
  Readers rate our work up if they found it professional and useful, and this becomes a natural way of enforcing a quality standard. We are sure that grateful readers of Mr. Simon Wilson will vote for his posts too if they found them interesting, as they did for this particular post - it doesn't mean that Simon is cheating. It just means people are interested and in support of what he is writing, just as they support our work. Dear Simonwilson5, jbadoz and other respectful members of the community. First of all, quite frankly, I find it rather offensive and tasteless to insult the work of ANY market analyst - both our FX Instructor guys, and anyone else at ForexFactory sharing their hard work with the community, for free. It is really NOT easy to write articles employing personal knowledge and experience, and then give them out to be judged and commented on - sometimes quite harshly. We do our best to write professional and really useful articles - which a lot of our subscribers sincerely like, and vote for them if they found them useful. These are people from all over the world, and we understand and accept their votes as appreciation of our hard work. Yes, the three of us (Setyo, Mihai, and myself) vote for our work. If we can't vote for our own analysis - then we simply won't do it. 3 missing votes won't change the fact that we have support from our fellow traders who like our commentaries. FF already has safeguards in place that prevent the same people from using multiple accounts - and while people COULD theoretically go to great lengths (rented IPs, multiple PCs, whatever) to game the voting - it is simply unfair and shortsighted to suspect every positive vote as 'cheating'. If you think it would help the situation, then we would certainly support FF disabling the ability to vote for your own posts. Would it make a difference? I doubt it. Yes, unfortunately our writers don't participate on the FF forums as regulars - simply because they have no time for this. We do participate actively on our own website and blog, analyze the market, trade, and teach other traders. Forex Factory is the best place where we can present our analysis for the judgment of all market participants and their peers - and until now it was a really nice and professionally run place for such exchange of ideas. Readers rate our work up if they found it professional and useful, and this becomes a natural way of enforcing a quality standard. We are sure that grateful readers of Mr. Simon Wilson will vote for his posts too if they found them interesting, as they did for this particular post - it doesn't mean that Simon is cheating. It just means people are interested and in support of what he is writing, just as they support our work.
- Apr 22, 2009 1:10pm
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- Maxsmart
  
  616 posts
- Learning markets, LFB, Forexmillion, FX instructor have great analysis. I suppose its a conspiracy that they keep getting voted to the top. LMAO. No maybe its cuz they are awesome, free, and lucid. Learning markets, LFB, Forexmillion, FX instructor have great analysis. I suppose its a conspiracy that they keep getting voted to the top. LMAO. No maybe its cuz they are awesome, free, and lucid.
- Apr 22, 2009 1:10pm | Edited at 1:41pm
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- NewstraderFX
  
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- Folks, in order to cheat, you have to break the rules.
  
  There are no rules about voting for your own articles and asking your friends or people who subscribe to your services to vote for them. So if there are no rules prohibiting it, how can it be cheating?
  
  The FF mods have been all over people with multiple usernames voting more than once. That's against the rules.
  
  This is like trading; when you have a winning trade, you haven't taken the money from some anonymous "market" you've taken money out of someone's pocket. Is it nice? No. But that's what it is.
  
  And let's face it. You used a provocative title, which isn't accurate anyway, in order to get hits to your blog (whether it is free or not is besides the issue). If you would have titled your article "FF Voting Policies" or something just as bland, the article would have gotten buried. But you didn't want that, did you?
  
  Again, show me the rule that says it illegal to ask your friends to vote or to vote for your own article. The system as set up is ripe for gaming, i'll admit that, but playing the game by the rules is not "cheating."
  
  I have occasionally voted fade on an article that I didn't think was all that good. But those fade votes amount to a tiny fraction of what's been posted here. I've also voted positive and I comment on other articles too.
  
  So, to label me as a "cheater" when you haven't looked at all the articles and all the votes is irresponsible and inaccurate. All you've done is to game the system with a controversial sounding headline in order to drive hits to your free blog, which is exactly my point since we're all looking to drive hits.
  
  BTW, I voted "fade" on this article because it has no relevancy to trading or to general knowledge.
  
  But, I will show you how I don't game the system:
  
  There's an article today in the WSJ regarding teenagers who do "Sexting", which is sending nude or semi-nude pictures of themselves to each other's cellphones: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124026115528336397.html Folks, in order to cheat, you have to break the rules. There are no rules about voting for your own articles and asking your friends or people who subscribe to your services to vote for them. So if there are no rules prohibiting it, how can it be cheating? The FF mods have been all over people with multiple usernames voting more than once. That's against the rules. This is like trading; when you have a winning trade, you haven't taken the money from some anonymous "market" you've taken money out of someone's pocket. Is it nice? No. But that's what it is. And let's face it. You used a provocative title, which isn't accurate anyway, in order to get hits to your blog (whether it is free or not is besides the issue). If you would have titled your article "FF Voting Policies" or something just as bland, the article would have gotten buried. But you didn't want that, did you? Again, show me the rule that says it illegal to ask your friends to vote or to vote for your own article. The system as set up is ripe for gaming, i'll admit that, but playing the game by the rules is not "cheating." I have occasionally voted fade on an article that I didn't think was all that good. But those fade votes amount to a tiny fraction of what's been posted here. I've also voted positive and I comment on other articles too. So, to label me as a "cheater" when you haven't looked at all the articles and all the votes is irresponsible and inaccurate. All you've done is to game the system with a controversial sounding headline in order to drive hits to your free blog, which is exactly my point since we're all looking to drive hits. BTW, I voted "fade" on this article because it has no relevancy to trading or to general knowledge. But, I will show you how I don't game the system: There's an article today in the WSJ regarding teenagers who do "Sexting", which is sending nude or semi-nude pictures of themselves to each other's cellphones: [url]http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124026115528336397.html[/url]
- Apr 22, 2009 1:35pm
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- NewstraderFX
  
  935 posts
- Now, there is no rule that I'm aware of which prohibits me from posting this article with a provocative headline here on FF.
  
  And if i did post it, I'm sure it would get plenty of attention and drive a lot of hits. But, IMO, it isn't right to post it because it isn't related to trading or economics. But if i did post it, would that be cheating? Now, there is no rule that I'm aware of which prohibits me from posting this article with a provocative headline here on FF. And if i did post it, I'm sure it would get plenty of attention and drive a lot of hits. But, IMO, it isn't right to post it because it isn't related to trading or economics. But if i did post it, would that be cheating?
- Apr 22, 2009 2:23pm
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- simonwilson5
  
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- Quoting JCKriek
  
  Dear Simonwilson5, jbadoz and other respectful members of the community. First of all, quite frankly, I find it rather offensive and tasteless ...
  
  I did not say anything bad about anyone's content. If you mean when I said technical analysis 101, that is just a fact doesnt make it more or less useful. Some like LFB and learningmarkets I read from time to time, and enjoy. The content is not the issue, it is the CHEATING, HELLO, ANYONE HOME??
  
  I have definitely lost respect for 3 of the cheaters listed, because rather than confessing they are trying to rationalize it away. Fxinstructor is saying they thought it was ok for 3 of their voters to vote up their own article, lol. Also, they insinuate these are the only 3 accounts they control that regularly vote up their own articles. Like I said before, it only takes a few votes to keep something on the homepage where it will build votes naturally, and if you look at their voting stats they have way more than 3 accounts which they control voting up their stories.
  
  Newstraderfx - yeah my friend this is not a post about voting policies it is about VOTE FRAUD - hence the title, which you seem to want to forget that you have multiple accounts voting the same article over and over again which is "against the rules". You think I care about traffic to that blog, I will never use that blog again, this post was about exposing the massive vote fraud at forexfactory by a few bad apples.
  
  So I guess the cheaters are rationalize their cheating and trying to call it another name, and minimize it. Rationalize this guys: lots of people will not stoop as low as you, but if you want it one way, you have to take it that way across the board. In other words, if you get to have multiple accounts voting, I guess everyone else should too to even the odds right? And then it becomes a big rat race to see who can control the most accounts. Guess what smart aleck JCKriek, you say your vote fraud makes no difference, I submit it is the very difference that accounts for approximately 90% of your views. Total bologna, Im not sure who is buying the crap your are selling, but I for one was not born yesterday. How would you like it if I used many accounts to vote down you articles and vote up mine? How would you like it if it was more than just me doing it? Luckily, you probably have little to worry about in that department, since it seems you guys are a very small minority and most act in good faith.
  
  Good luck selling your BS.
  
  At least there is hope for the 2 of 5 left that have not come on here trying to justify like a crackhead to a cop. I did not say anything bad about anyone's content. If you mean when I said technical analysis 101, that is just a fact doesnt make it more or less useful. Some like LFB and learningmarkets I read from time to time, and enjoy. The content is not the issue, it is the CHEATING, HELLO, ANYONE HOME?? I have definitely lost respect for 3 of the cheaters listed, because rather than confessing they are trying to rationalize it away. Fxinstructor is saying they thought it was ok for 3 of their voters to vote up their own article, lol. Also, they insinuate these are the only 3 accounts they control that regularly vote up their own articles. Like I said before, it only takes a few votes to keep something on the homepage where it will build votes naturally, and if you look at their voting stats they have way more than 3 accounts which they control voting up their stories. Newstraderfx - yeah my friend this is not a post about voting policies it is about VOTE FRAUD - hence the title, which you seem to want to forget that you have multiple accounts voting the same article over and over again which is "against the rules". You think I care about traffic to that blog, I will never use that blog again, this post was about exposing the massive vote fraud at forexfactory by a few bad apples. So I guess the cheaters are rationalize their cheating and trying to call it another name, and minimize it. Rationalize this guys: lots of people will not stoop as low as you, but if you want it one way, you have to take it that way across the board. In other words, if you get to have multiple accounts voting, I guess everyone else should too to even the odds right? And then it becomes a big rat race to see who can control the most accounts. Guess what smart aleck JCKriek, you say your vote fraud makes no difference, I submit it is the very difference that accounts for approximately 90% of your views. Total bologna, Im not sure who is buying the crap your are selling, but I for one was not born yesterday. How would you like it if I used many accounts to vote down you articles and vote up mine? How would you like it if it was more than just me doing it? Luckily, you probably have little to worry about in that department, since it seems you guys are a very small minority and most act in good faith. Good luck selling your BS. At least there is hope for the 2 of 5 left that have not come on here trying to justify like a crackhead to a cop.
- Apr 22, 2009 2:47pm
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- SpikeCharts
  
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- simonwilson5:
  
  Why do you judge in a such irresponsible way? Let me prove you how WRONG you are, at least for SpikeCharts case.
  
  Please click on Lena’s article on FF and then click on the full story link. Now, scroll down to reach the bottom of the article and tell me what you see. You see the green + icon Forex Factory provides to vote for a story. We have implemented a functionality to vote for Lena's articles on Forex Factory though SpikeCharts’ blog. We had it in private for only few users, those users that vote for her articles all the time. These users are real people subscribed on our RSS and get notified instantly when a new article is posted. After reading the article they vote on FF using this cute button. I don’t think there is any fraud here.
  
  Don’t you feel a little bit ashamed now calling our voters fraud? simonwilson5: Why do you judge in a such irresponsible way? Let me prove you how WRONG you are, at least for SpikeCharts case. Please click on Lena’s article on FF and then click on the full story link. Now, scroll down to reach the bottom of the article and tell me what you see. You see the green + icon Forex Factory provides to vote for a story. We have implemented a functionality to vote for Lena's articles on Forex Factory though SpikeCharts’ blog. We had it in private for only few users, those users that vote for her articles all the time. These users are real people subscribed on our RSS and get notified instantly when a new article is posted. After reading the article they vote on FF using this cute button. I don’t think there is any fraud here. Don’t you feel a little bit ashamed now calling our voters fraud?
- Apr 22, 2009 2:59pm
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- simonwilson5
  
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- Well I do have to admit, that is the most orgininal excuse we have seen all day - You cheaters just stop at nothing, even though you have to be registered on ff to vote, and you have multiple accounts voting, and I have watched for some time now how many votes actually are on your site, usually 1 tops (hmm wonder who that is), and most of all your articles do not stand out from the rest but certainly perform about 10x better, you are going to keep up the charade. There is a reason this post has 50 plus votes, because others are sick and tired of getting pushed out of the way by you few bad apples and EVERYONE CAN SEE PLAIN AS DAY IT IS TRUE.
  
  As such, I will only respond again if someone has a suggestion for solutions at this point. Well I do have to admit, that is the most orgininal excuse we have seen all day - You cheaters just stop at nothing, even though you have to be registered on ff to vote, and you have multiple accounts voting, and I have watched for some time now how many votes actually are on your site, usually 1 tops (hmm wonder who that is), and most of all your articles do not stand out from the rest but certainly perform about 10x better, you are going to keep up the charade. There is a reason this post has 50 plus votes, because others are sick and tired of getting pushed out of the way by you few bad apples and EVERYONE CAN SEE PLAIN AS DAY IT IS TRUE. As such, I will only respond again if someone has a suggestion for solutions at this point.
- Apr 22, 2009 3:16pm
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- NewstraderFX
  
  935 posts
- How do you know who has multiple accounts?
  
  Aside from that, what crap is being sold anyway? The articles i write are researched, checked, and presented with as much accuracy as i can find. The vast majority of the articles here are the same. How do you know who has multiple accounts? Aside from that, what crap is being sold anyway? The articles i write are researched, checked, and presented with as much accuracy as i can find. The vast majority of the articles here are the same.
- Apr 22, 2009 3:18pm
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- ice
  
  25 posts
- What's the big deal? Vote or not, I give credit to everyone that spent their time to write and post their analysis/information on FF. What's the big deal? Vote or not, I give credit to everyone that spent their time to write and post their analysis/information on FF.
- Apr 22, 2009 3:32pm
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- arthurb
  
  494 posts
- i vote always against some folks here, bcs i think their analysis is not worth and misleading, and on the other hand i do always vote positively for some others, i don't think is anything wrong with what i do, respect to anyone who post here, esp to those whom i always vote against for their persistence.
  
  Peace of course i vote always against some folks here, bcs i think their analysis is not worth and misleading, and on the other hand i do always vote positively for some others, i don't think is anything wrong with what i do, respect to anyone who post here, esp to those whom i always vote against for their persistence. Peace of course
- Apr 22, 2009 3:45pm
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- NewstraderFX
  
  935 posts
- The article got a bunch of reads, but it really amounts to less than nothing. It just really isn't all that important in the big scheme of things.
  
  And how do you know who has what accounts? The article got a bunch of reads, but it really amounts to less than nothing. It just really isn't all that important in the big scheme of things. And how do you know who has what accounts?
- Apr 22, 2009 4:32pm
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- simonwilson5
  
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- Integrity of the voting system, which is the content delivery and prioritization engine at forexfactory, is not important? Ok, you are welcome to form your own opinion's, obviously a substantial bias exists. I am not sure what you are asking about accounts, I mean do I really need to answer that, really NewsT - you are playing the fool here?? The only thing I said related to content was identifying basic technical analysis as such and that certainly is not putting it down, anything else you have taken out of context. Like I said, out of the very few articles I read on ff I tend to find things you write above par for the course - nice post on the potential stress test results leak Integrity of the voting system, which is the content delivery and prioritization engine at forexfactory, is not important? Ok, you are welcome to form your own opinion's, obviously a substantial bias exists. I am not sure what you are asking about accounts, I mean do I really need to answer that, really NewsT - you are playing the fool here?? The only thing I said related to content was identifying basic technical analysis as such and that certainly is not putting it down, anything else you have taken out of context. Like I said, out of the very few articles I read on ff I tend to find things you write above par for the course - nice post on the potential stress test results leak
- Apr 22, 2009 5:10pm | Edited at 5:21pm
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- NewstraderFX
  
  935 posts
- Thanks for the compliment, but what I'm asking you is how do you know who has how many accounts? You said that people have multiple accounts and they vote multiple times so how do you know who has a multiple account? And yes, you really need to answer that because it's one of your main accusations.
  
  "*The LFB - double voting accounts, newstraderfx and thelfb, also lots of voting down competitor articles"
  
  What is "lots"? What is the exact number? As i said, I have faded articles occasionally (as well as +) but i also know the total of fade votes amount to a tiny fraction of the articles that are posted here. So what are the numbers that you have? You must have numbers because you said "lots." Thanks for the compliment, but what I'm asking you is how do you know who has how many accounts? You said that people have multiple accounts and they vote multiple times so how do you know who has a multiple account? And yes, you really need to answer that because it's one of your main accusations. "*The LFB - double voting accounts, newstraderfx and thelfb, also lots of voting down competitor articles" What is "lots"? What is the exact number? As i said, I have faded articles occasionally (as well as +) but i also know the total of fade votes amount to a tiny fraction of the articles that are posted here. So what are the numbers that you have? You must have numbers because you said "lots."
- Apr 22, 2009 5:15pm
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- clockwork71
  
  6,527 posts
- There's one thing you ladies are forgetting: Anyone with a modicum of intelligence takes what's written by the "analysts" with a grain of salt anyways. This is a non-issue. It's a lot like saying: "Hey, people are trying to sell me something!" Who cares? Vote with your wallet.
  
  Of course, if someone would do something about the assholes who keep sending me advertisements via Private Message, like CurrenC, we'd be talking. There's one thing you ladies are forgetting: Anyone with a modicum of intelligence takes what's written by the "analysts" with a grain of salt anyways. This is a non-issue. It's a lot like saying: "Hey, people are trying to sell me something!" Who cares? Vote with your wallet. Of course, if someone would do something about the assholes who keep sending me advertisements via Private Message, like CurrenC, we'd be talking.
- Apr 22, 2009 5:22pm
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- NewstraderFX
  
  935 posts
- Soliciting via email is not permitted. Contact the FF administrator. Soliciting via email is not permitted. Contact the FF administrator.
- Apr 22, 2009 5:38pm
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- ForexDatasource
  
  7 posts
- [quote=NewstraderFX;2687930] Again, show me the rule that says it illegal to ask your friends to vote or to vote for your own article. The system as set up is ripe for gaming, i'll admit that, but playing the game by the rules is not "cheating." I have occasionally voted fade on an article that I didn't think was all that good."
  
  Newstrader, I will be as diplomatic as possible. You miss the point. There is a news posting etiquette: you contribute an article and hope that its merit takes it to the top. You also hope that no guys with agenda will vote it down before it sees the light of day.
  
  When you invite others to vote for you, you are taking it upon yourself to arbitrarily raising its significance. I am sure that you have a significant readership from your site. Good for you. But just because you can, do you have to bully your way to the top? Does that make your opinion better?
  
  Another point, and this one is more personal. There was a few months last summer/fall when my postings got pretty high marks. Closer to the end of the year, I started to get voted down a lot and comments from you and people who have been recommended or you have recommended started posting less than friendly comments to my postings. These are verifiable facts - just go through my postings.
  
  It is this game playing or working of the system that was key for me not contributing as much to the FF news section this yea. I would put 10-15 hours preparing something worthwhile to say in my weekend reports only for it to be trashed in minutes - not cool.
  
  The day when the new voting system went into effect, Samuri, one of your buddies voted down a story of mine - perhaps unaware that he was being recorded.
  
  Just because I may not like your style or some of your points does not translate into voting your stories down. Will you please try to live by that same rule? [quote=NewstraderFX;2687930] Again, show me the rule that says it illegal to ask your friends to vote or to vote for your own article. The system as set up is ripe for gaming, i'll admit that, but playing the game by the rules is not "cheating." I have occasionally voted fade on an article that I didn't think was all that good." Newstrader, I will be as diplomatic as possible. You miss the point. There is a news posting etiquette: you contribute an article and hope that its merit takes it to the top. You also hope that no guys with agenda will vote it down before it sees the light of day. When you invite others to vote for you, you are taking it upon yourself to arbitrarily raising its significance. I am sure that you have a significant readership from your site. Good for you. But just because you can, do you have to bully your way to the top? Does that make your opinion better? Another point, and this one is more personal. There was a few months last summer/fall when my postings got pretty high marks. Closer to the end of the year, I started to get voted down a lot and comments from you and people who have been recommended or you have recommended started posting less than friendly comments to my postings. These are verifiable facts - just go through my postings. It is this game playing or working of the system that was key for me not contributing as much to the FF news section this yea. I would put 10-15 hours preparing something worthwhile to say in my weekend reports only for it to be trashed in minutes - not cool. The day when the new voting system went into effect, Samuri, one of your buddies voted down a story of mine - perhaps unaware that he was being recorded. Just because I may not like your style or some of your points does not translate into voting your stories down. Will you please try to live by that same rule?
- Apr 22, 2009 5:53pm
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- ForexDatasource
  
  7 posts
- Simon wrote: "As such, I will only respond again if someone has a suggestion for solutions at this point."
  
  I think we cannot leave FF off the hook on this discussion. The layout of the news section invites this type of problem.
  
  Perhaps there should be an editorial board that gives "quality content" a permanent place in the page, another option is for administrators to assign an "editor's choice" label on occasion to any good posting. News stories voted up by any viewer would continue to have a spot in this new News page. These ideas are not new, Jade Gate has been trying to get this system up for many weeks/months. Perhaps more serious consideration is warranted.
  
  Another preventable problem: "Calendar News" FF's own posting machine is a major part of the problem. Could you just have a section where Calendar News posts its articles instead of drowning the rest of the contributors out? Thanks!! Simon wrote: "As such, I will only respond again if someone has a suggestion for solutions at this point." I think we cannot leave FF off the hook on this discussion. The layout of the news section invites this type of problem. Perhaps there should be an editorial board that gives "quality content" a permanent place in the page, another option is for administrators to assign an "editor's choice" label on occasion to any good posting. News stories voted up by any viewer would continue to have a spot in this new News page. These ideas are not new, Jade Gate has been trying to get this system up for many weeks/months. Perhaps more serious consideration is warranted. Another preventable problem: "Calendar News" FF's own posting machine is a major part of the problem. Could you just have a section where Calendar News posts its articles instead of drowning the rest of the contributors out? Thanks!!
- Apr 22, 2009 5:56pm | Edited at 6:12pm
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- NewstraderFX
  
  935 posts
- Data-u have some good points but that fact is that without voting your own article and asking a few of your friends to vote, the article never gets to see the light of day because so many come out.
  
  Here's an exact sample of what I'm talking about when people make accusations with false info:
  
  First, I do not know who Samuri is, yet you are convinced he's one of my friends. Then you imply that i told him and other people to start making negative comments on your articles. That is TOTALLY UNTRUE!
  
  Where the hell does this come from?? This is unsubstantiated garbage and worse than that, it's a complete LIE!
  
  There are no "verifiable facts" here with regards to anyone posting less favorable comments on your articles. I absolutely deny ever telling ANYONE to post negative comments on ANYONE's article-yours included.
  
  Now, I don't remember if I posted on your articles or not. But I do know that if I did, while I may have disagreed with something you said, or debated it, I would never make "negative" comments out of hand. Example:
  
  You: "Bernanke seems to be implying so and so..."
  Me: "Bernanke seems to be really saying this and that..."
  
  That's a discussion-not a negative comment.
  
  You: "Bernanke seems to be implying so and so..."
  Me: "You're a moron if you think that..."
  
  That's not a discussion. It's a negative comment. I don't do that to anyone.
  
  Your asking me to use a certain "etiquette." Fine. But where is the "etiquette" in making totally false accusations? Data-u have some good points but that fact is that without voting your own article and asking a few of your friends to vote, the article never gets to see the light of day because so many come out. Here's an exact sample of what I'm talking about when people make accusations with false info: First, I do not know who Samuri is, yet you are convinced he's one of my friends. Then you imply that i told him and other people to start making negative comments on your articles. That is TOTALLY UNTRUE! Where the hell does this come from?? This is unsubstantiated garbage and worse than that, it's a complete LIE! There are no "verifiable facts" here with regards to anyone posting less favorable comments on your articles. I absolutely deny ever telling ANYONE to post negative comments on ANYONE's article-yours included. Now, I don't remember if I posted on your articles or not. But I do know that if I did, while I may have disagreed with something you said, or debated it, I would never make "negative" comments out of hand. Example: You: "Bernanke seems to be implying so and so..." Me: "Bernanke seems to be really saying this and that..." That's a discussion-not a negative comment. You: "Bernanke seems to be implying so and so..." Me: "You're a moron if you think that..." That's not a discussion. It's a negative comment. I don't do that to anyone. Your asking me to use a certain "etiquette." Fine. But where is the "etiquette" in making totally false accusations?
- Apr 22, 2009 6:55pm
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- Trout
  
  502 posts
- 12 hours in w/ 60 Votes and 49 Comments! 12 hours in w/ 60 Votes and 49 Comments!
- Apr 22, 2009 6:57pm
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- willf
  
  825 posts
- If the news was news and not the opinions of wannabes I would be interested. Most of the posts are plain shit trying to promote their own services under the guise of news. If the news was news and not the opinions of wannabes I would be interested. Most of the posts are plain shit trying to promote their own services under the guise of news.
- Apr 22, 2009 7:18pm
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- Trout
  
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- I will say this about my friend NewsTraderFX, he isn't w/ the LFB any more. He's just one guy on his own, who puts a lot of work into his posts. There are times I will vote for him without having the time to read his stuff, because I know he's solid and I want to encourage him to continue to post and I know as a poster that sometimes all it takes is 1 vote to being read and getting feedback after spending time valuable time constructing an article, or fading away. And I also know he's a trader. And there are plenty of posters out there who get a lot of votes who couldn't carry his shoes. I will say this about my friend NewsTraderFX, he isn't w/ the LFB any more. He's just one guy on his own, who puts a lot of work into his posts. There are times I will vote for him without having the time to read his stuff, because I know he's solid and I want to encourage him to continue to post and I know as a poster that sometimes all it takes is 1 vote to being read and getting feedback after spending time valuable time constructing an article, or fading away. And I also know he's a trader. And there are plenty of posters out there who get a lot of votes who couldn't carry his shoes.
- Apr 22, 2009 7:38pm
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- piptrain
  
  270 posts
- I figured. Thats why I look at the +1 voted news first! I figured. Thats why I look at the +1 voted news first!
- Apr 22, 2009 7:57pm
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- str8bullish
  
  187 posts
- Send These Cheats To Guantanamo!!! ...cheaters!!! Send These Cheats To Guantanamo!!! ...cheaters!!!
- Apr 22, 2009 7:57pm
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- str8bullish
  
  187 posts
- You bernie Madoffs, ...dumb crooks!!! You bernie Madoffs, ...dumb crooks!!!
- Apr 22, 2009 8:02pm
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- Guest
  
  IP XX.XX.47.221
- Thank you FF as an honest person my posts are extremely informative in areas of the market that nobody talks about, like parallel and inverse analysis, and i was shocked to find out the names of who voted me down, a bunch of nobodys really but one that works for a company that is a brokerage partner and it made me sick. Best Regards Thank you FF as an honest person my posts are extremely informative in areas of the market that nobody talks about, like parallel and inverse analysis, and i was shocked to find out the names of who voted me down, a bunch of nobodys really but one that works for a company that is a brokerage partner and it made me sick. Best Regards
- Apr 22, 2009 8:32pm
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- pippin_min
  
  91 posts
- Maybe we should make forex news just like its purpose. News from a credible source. (eg. RTTNews). Any analysis should then fall under forex discussion. That would be easier for professionals to skim on important information rather than some amateur analysis. Maybe we should make forex news just like its purpose. News from a credible source. (eg. RTTNews). Any analysis should then fall under forex discussion. That would be easier for professionals to skim on important information rather than some amateur analysis.
- Apr 22, 2009 10:32pm | Edited at 10:49pm
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- NewstraderFX
  
  935 posts
- Amateur my butt. Show me were RTT got people out of stocks (including my ex-wife) in Aug. 2007 (and I got them all into bonds where they made money).
  
  Show me where RTT said $100 oil when it was $145 like I did, even after Goldman said $200.
  
  Show me were they or anyone wrote about the "4 figure trade" in the pound. The pound fell this as much as it did when Soros shorted it in '92 and I called it.
  
  I called the end of the dollar bear market last May.
  
  I've said for months to buy China and I'm telling you now: one of the best investments you can make is with the double short Treasury (long end) ETF. See you in 2 years and then we'll see who the amateur is.
  
  Why short Treasuries? Look at the TIC data and look at the reduced build in Chinese $ reserves. Look at the swap arrangements China is in the process of setting up with its South East Asian trading partners. Know why they're doing that? So they can settle trades in Yuan instead of dollars. Know what that means? It means China and its Asian partners are going to have far less need to re-cycle their reserves into Treasuries, which means less demand for them from foreign buyers as the US will drastically increase the supply in order to fund the bail outs and stim packages.
  
  Pop quiz pippin-squeak-min: Increased supply and decreased demand means price will go _______ and rates will go_____ (fill in the blanks). Amateur my butt. Show me were RTT got people out of stocks (including my ex-wife) in Aug. 2007 (and I got them all into bonds where they made money). Show me where RTT said $100 oil when it was $145 like I did, even after Goldman said $200. Show me were they or anyone wrote about the "4 figure trade" in the pound. The pound fell this as much as it did when Soros shorted it in '92 and I called it. I called the end of the dollar bear market last May. I've said for months to buy China and I'm telling you now: one of the best investments you can make is with the double short Treasury (long end) ETF. See you in 2 years and then we'll see who the amateur is. Why short Treasuries? Look at the TIC data and look at the reduced build in Chinese $ reserves. Look at the swap arrangements China is in the process of setting up with its South East Asian trading partners. Know why they're doing that? So they can settle trades in Yuan instead of dollars. Know what that means? It means China and its Asian partners are going to have far less need to re-cycle their reserves into Treasuries, which means less demand for them from foreign buyers as the US will drastically increase the supply in order to fund the bail outs and stim packages. Pop quiz pippin-squeak-min: Increased supply and decreased demand means price will go _______ and rates will go_____ (fill in the blanks).
- Apr 22, 2009 11:01pm
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- simonwilson5
  
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- ha oh man you 2 should be politicians...professional...that is word is so laughable when used in the context of the little girls here pushing others under the bus.
  
  Forexfactory is busy, it takes alot of time to do what they do day in and day out, but I am sure they are debating what to do, if anything. It is very hard sometimes to make everything fair and sometimes not worth it for someone like forexfactory, you can only put in so many resources. In any case, I hope to hear from them, if nothing else a "we are working on it". I also think while NewsT posts good stuff, it is laughable to suggest his quality ran everyone off scared, I mean are you serious?
  
  Believe my, if you were honest guys, and some dishonest guys like you were doing to you what you do to others, you would not be calling it a joke. 70% of your traffic is coming from FF, that is a pretty chunk of change eh. Guess they are not flocking in from places whose voting system you cannot game, just ff. Cheers!! ha oh man you 2 should be politicians...professional...that is word is so laughable when used in the context of the little girls here pushing others under the bus. Forexfactory is busy, it takes alot of time to do what they do day in and day out, but I am sure they are debating what to do, if anything. It is very hard sometimes to make everything fair and sometimes not worth it for someone like forexfactory, you can only put in so many resources. In any case, I hope to hear from them, if nothing else a "we are working on it". I also think while NewsT posts good stuff, it is laughable to suggest his quality ran everyone off scared, I mean are you serious? Believe my, if you were honest guys, and some dishonest guys like you were doing to you what you do to others, you would not be calling it a joke. 70% of your traffic is coming from FF, that is a pretty chunk of change eh. Guess they are not flocking in from places whose voting system you cannot game, just ff. Cheers!!
- Apr 22, 2009 11:04pm
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- simonwilson5
  
  0 posts
- Quoting TheLFB.com
  
  http://www.forexfactory.com/news.php...mp;cutoff=365d This really says it all in reagrd to votes;
  
  Big deal, cry about having to play by the rules like everyone else, man I did not expect this from grown men. Tons of people make perfect calls here at ff, and their post gets buried. You are just so special huh? Big deal, cry about having to play by the rules like everyone else, man I did not expect this from grown men. Tons of people make perfect calls here at ff, and their post gets buried. You are just so special huh?
- Apr 22, 2009 11:18pm | Edited Apr 23, 2009 12:20am
- #59
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- pippin_min
  
  91 posts
- Quoting NewstraderFX
  
  Amateur my butt. Show me were RTT got people out of stocks (including my ex-wife) in Aug. 2007 (and I got them all into bonds where they made money).
  
  Show me where RTT said $100 oil when it was $145 like I did, even after Goldman said $200.
  
  Show me were they or anyone wrote about the "4 figure trade" in the pound. The pound fell this as much as it did when Soros shorted it in '92 and I called it.
  
  I called the end of the dollar bear market last May.
  
  I've said for months to buy China and I'm telling you now: one of the best investments...
  
  wow. i'm not even talking about you. i'm just giving recommendation to forex news section. i'm indonesian. my english is not so good. professional i mean individual trader, amateur i mean those broker's salesman. btw, i'm still a lowly unknowledgeable trader. Sorry to offend you. Thank you for reminding me to brush up on my economics. Been meaning to do that. wow. i'm not even talking about you. i'm just giving recommendation to forex news section. i'm indonesian. my english is not so good. professional i mean individual trader, amateur i mean those broker's salesman. btw, i'm still a lowly unknowledgeable trader. Sorry to offend you. Thank you for reminding me to brush up on my economics. Been meaning to do that.
- Apr 22, 2009 11:38pm
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- AlexanderS
  
  29 posts
- Why am i not falling to the ground with astonishment? Perhaps we should all call them names. =) Cheats! Why am i not falling to the ground with astonishment? Perhaps we should all call them names. =) Cheats!
- Apr 22, 2009 11:43pm
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- Maxsmart
  
  616 posts
- Who is this simon wilson guy. He has no previous posts records. Springs from the ground and starts trouble. Does the voting really matter. If you care you must be high on yourself and looking to get credit and make ppl say "ooh and ah isn't he an amazing trader." Who is this simon wilson guy. He has no previous posts records. Springs from the ground and starts trouble. Does the voting really matter. If you care you must be high on yourself and looking to get credit and make ppl say "ooh and ah isn't he an amazing trader."
- Apr 22, 2009 11:54pm
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- AlexanderS
  
  29 posts
- What simonwilson5 is trying to say i think is that it is an abusive practise and it is clearly unethical. There is no need to dig up the rules and regulations to figure it out. These people are trying to get what they are trying to get in expense of other people and with advertizing in mind. What simonwilson5 is trying to say i think is that it is an abusive practise and it is clearly unethical. There is no need to dig up the rules and regulations to figure it out. These people are trying to get what they are trying to get in expense of other people and with advertizing in mind.
- Apr 23, 2009 12:07am
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- simonwilson5
  
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- Thanks Alex, right on Thanks Alex, right on
- Apr 23, 2009 12:44am
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- Radu_C
  
  15 posts
- Im thinking just how many valuable analysts abandoned this site because their posts were not voted or worse, voted down Im thinking just how many valuable analysts abandoned this site because their posts were not voted or worse, voted down
- Apr 23, 2009 1:33am
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- LonelyTrader
  
  2 posts
- Presidential candidates can vote for themselves...so it's fraud that a writer votes for his article?
  
  What is with you people? Presidential candidates can vote for themselves...so it's fraud that a writer votes for his article? What is with you people?
- Apr 23, 2009 1:34am
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- NewstraderFX
  
  935 posts
- The Dollar Has Bottomed-May 29 Update
  
  Analysis by NewstraderFX As hard as you may find it to believe, it looks like the weak Dollar trend has bottomed and that the Dollar is poised to make some recovery. The currency most likely to suffer the largest loss against the Dollar is the Pound. The Euro should lose some value as well and certainly, without a major change in the present circumstances, the Euro will not be heading towards new records. The Dollar Has Bottomed-May 29 Update Analysis by NewstraderFX As hard as you may find it to believe, it looks like the weak Dollar trend has bottomed and that the Dollar is poised to make some recovery. The currency most likely to suffer the largest loss against the Dollar is the Pound. The Euro should lose some value as well and certainly, without a major change in the present circumstances, the Euro will not be heading towards new records.
- Apr 23, 2009 1:35am
- #67
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- NewstraderFX
  
  935 posts
- Quoting LonelyTrader
  
  Presidential candidates can vote for themselves...so it's fraud that a writer votes for his article?
  
  What is with you people?
  
  Brilliant!! Brilliant!!
- Apr 23, 2009 2:13am
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- AlexanderS
  
  29 posts
- I dont see it as a problem to vote for ones article or ask a few friends to vote for it. What is wrong is using redundant accounts to automatically vote for ones article mainyl for advertizment puproses. I dont see it as a problem to vote for ones article or ask a few friends to vote for it. What is wrong is using redundant accounts to automatically vote for ones article mainyl for advertizment puproses.
- Apr 23, 2009 3:45am
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- Radu_C
  
  15 posts
- Quoting LonelyTrader
  
  Presidential candidates can vote for themselves...so it's fraud that a writer votes for his article?
  
  What is with you people?
  
  It is a problem ... the purpose of the voting sistem is to sort the articles in relation to their usefullness not in relation to the voting power of the author. It is a problem ... the purpose of the voting sistem is to sort the articles in relation to their usefullness not in relation to the voting power of the author.
- Apr 23, 2009 9:37am
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- NewstraderFX
  
  935 posts
- I have to admit, it took me a while to figure this out, but here goes:
  
  Without a writer doing any "seeding" NO ARTICLE WOULD EVER STAY ON THE FRONT PAGE EXCEPT IN 1 RARE CIRCUMSTANCE.
  
  Follow my logic:
  
  You have the "most recent" box that has 2 articles, then you have the "most useful/24 hr" box with 7 articles, then you have the "most useful/3 day" box with 3 articles.
  
  Now, even in the middle of the night, you have articles coming into the "most recent" like every 11 minutes. During busier times, they come in much faster. Once something is posted in the "most recent" box, IT MUST GATHER MORE USEFUL VOTES THAN THE LEAST USEFUL ARTICLE IN THE "MOST USEFUL" WITHIN A COUPLE OF MINUTES OR IT IS KNOCKED OFF"
  
  I know that's the way you set the system up, but as is it CANNOT WORK. Here's why.
  
  On average, my articles get about 1000 hits. On average, I get something in the neighborhood of maybe 20 total votes with 2 to 3 of those coming from me and 1 or 2 people I know.
  
  That means, on average, there are about 18 discrete votes out of the 1000 people that read the article, which translates to a voting percentage of about 1.8%.
  
  The least "useful" article in the "most useful" box right now (08:45 EDT) has 5 useful votes. In order to beat that, I have to get 6 useful votes. But only about 1.8% of the readers bother to vote. That means within just a few minutes of posting something, I have to get 333 readers, figuring that about 1.8% of the readers vote.
  
  THAT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO DO. NO ARTICLE CAN GET 333 HITS IN JUST A FEW MINUTES THEREFORE, NO ARTICLE CAN EVER STAY ON THE FRONT PAGE EXCEPT FOR THIS ONE RARE OCCURRENCE:
  
  You have to be lucky enough to place your article pretty near the exact time that the least useful of the ""most useful/24 hr" box" is going to expire. That is the only way, without doing some seeding, that ANY article will ever see the light of day and stay on the front page. I have to admit, it took me a while to figure this out, but here goes: Without a writer doing any "seeding" NO ARTICLE WOULD EVER STAY ON THE FRONT PAGE EXCEPT IN 1 RARE CIRCUMSTANCE. Follow my logic: You have the "most recent" box that has 2 articles, then you have the "most useful/24 hr" box with 7 articles, then you have the "most useful/3 day" box with 3 articles. Now, even in the middle of the night, you have articles coming into the "most recent" like every 11 minutes. During busier times, they come in much faster. Once something is posted in the "most recent" box, IT MUST GATHER MORE USEFUL VOTES THAN THE LEAST USEFUL ARTICLE IN THE "MOST USEFUL" WITHIN A COUPLE OF MINUTES OR IT IS KNOCKED OFF" I know that's the way you set the system up, but as is it CANNOT WORK. Here's why. On average, my articles get about 1000 hits. On average, I get something in the neighborhood of maybe 20 total votes with 2 to 3 of those coming from me and 1 or 2 people I know. That means, on average, there are about 18 discrete votes out of the 1000 people that read the article, which translates to a voting percentage of about 1.8%. The least "useful" article in the "most useful" box right now (08:45 EDT) has 5 useful votes. In order to beat that, I have to get 6 useful votes. But only about 1.8% of the readers bother to vote. That means within just a few minutes of posting something, I have to get 333 readers, figuring that about 1.8% of the readers vote. THAT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO DO. NO ARTICLE CAN GET 333 HITS IN JUST A FEW MINUTES THEREFORE, NO ARTICLE CAN EVER STAY ON THE FRONT PAGE EXCEPT FOR THIS ONE RARE OCCURRENCE: You have to be lucky enough to place your article pretty near the exact time that the least useful of the ""most useful/24 hr" box" is going to expire. That is the only way, without doing some seeding, that ANY article will ever see the light of day and stay on the front page.
- Apr 23, 2009 9:53am
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- AlexanderS
  
  29 posts
- LOL, here goes your trading skills, timing. LOL, here goes your trading skills, timing.
- Apr 23, 2009 10:00am
- #72
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- inflxshn
  
  69 posts
- Seems one titanically obvious point is being missed,,,
  
  this isn't about who votes for what or why, it's about the same problem the US faces every election; voter participation.
  
  Look at the number of views of this post, now look at the number of votes. Now whether or not if one person looks at the post several times and each time from the same computer is taken as a different vote or not, every day there are posts available that are not that popular in votes with lots of views, so it can be assumed that numerous people look at the posts and never vote.
  
  A lot of this would iron out if each person who read a post voted on it. Just like in a regular election, the higher the turnout, the less the chance of a statistical skew from actual voter sentiment. And like always, taxes go up a percent or down two it's either capitalism or socialism. If the person you like gets elected it's the truth, if someone else gets in it's a conspiracy.
  
  This article was slander pure and simple. Assumptions based on extrapolation of one persons interpretation of what they called evidence or proof. Take a logic class and you'll soon see how meaningless all this is. Seems one titanically obvious point is being missed,,, this isn't about who votes for what or why, it's about the same problem the US faces every election; voter participation. Look at the number of views of this post, now look at the number of votes. Now whether or not if one person looks at the post several times and each time from the same computer is taken as a different vote or not, every day there are posts available that are not that popular in votes with lots of views, so it can be assumed that numerous people look at the posts and never vote. A lot of this would iron out if each person who read a post voted on it. Just like in a regular election, the higher the turnout, the less the chance of a statistical skew from actual voter sentiment. And like always, taxes go up a percent or down two it's either capitalism or socialism. If the person you like gets elected it's the truth, if someone else gets in it's a conspiracy. This article was slander pure and simple. Assumptions based on extrapolation of one persons interpretation of what they called evidence or proof. Take a logic class and you'll soon see how meaningless all this is.
- Apr 23, 2009 10:17am
- #73
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- AlexanderS
  
  29 posts
- I think you are overcomplicate a simple matter that is abuse. I think all obvious commercial like posters should pay a fee to post on ff news sections. Kind of google's sponsored link. I think you are overcomplicate a simple matter that is abuse. I think all obvious commercial like posters should pay a fee to post on ff news sections. Kind of google's sponsored link.
- Apr 23, 2009 11:53am
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- Trout
  
  502 posts
- Alexander, Google accepts our stories based on verification of our website and a brief check on us, and publishes the best stories for free. I've been so swamped, not to mention distracted with this post, that I haven't gotten anything put together and out to Google. Bottom line Google also publishes our stories for free. The audience is a litle larger over there. Alexander, Google accepts our stories based on verification of our website and a brief check on us, and publishes the best stories for free. I've been so swamped, not to mention distracted with this post, that I haven't gotten anything put together and out to Google. Bottom line Google also publishes our stories for free. The audience is a litle larger over there.
- Apr 23, 2009 12:55pm
- #75
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- Piters
  
  9,432 posts
- Why this article is on NEWS page..???
  
  you are too transparent!!
  What you are trying to proove here?
  FREE promotion??
  lol too transparent.. too transparent..
  memebrs Lounge is the best place for...
  
  cheers guys!! Why this article is on NEWS page..??? you are too transparent!! What you are trying to proove here? FREE promotion?? lol too transparent.. too transparent.. memebrs Lounge is the best place for... cheers guys!!
- Apr 24, 2009 12:57am | Edited at 1:09am
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- simonwilson5
  
  0 posts
- I apologize for being disrespectful - I got an infraction for that and after reading some of my posts I can see it is true. I see at least some of the people voting from multiple company accounts are still freely doing so. Twee - It would be very useful for myself and many others to know if this is allowed, it appears it is ok? I can only assume if there is no reponse that there is no problem with it since they still engage in this and this being about the highest rated post at ff I personally have every seen, I know the admins notice. Many who never get noticed would feel more comfortable playing the game that is being played if they did not believe it was wrong. Again, based on how blatant it all is we will just assume if there is no answer, or at least I will assume and probably some others, that is type of voting is ok. I apologize for being disrespectful - I got an infraction for that and after reading some of my posts I can see it is true. I see at least some of the people voting from multiple company accounts are still freely doing so. Twee - It would be very useful for myself and many others to know if this is allowed, it appears it is ok? I can only assume if there is no reponse that there is no problem with it since they still engage in this and this being about the highest rated post at ff I personally have every seen, I know the admins notice. Many who never get noticed would feel more comfortable playing the game that is being played if they did not believe it was wrong. Again, based on how blatant it all is we will just assume if there is no answer, or at least I will assume and probably some others, that is type of voting is ok.
- Apr 24, 2009 5:47pm
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- ak4x
  
  6,612 posts
- I don't work for anybody anywhere except myself.
  
  I've found much of the work of many of the Trader's that you're demeaning here to be everything from helpful to very valuable on the merits of what they Post.
  
  You (Simon) sound way to Strident and Vitriolic for me to take seriously and I'm not interested in whatever agenda you're on about...
  
  I will give you a Nod for making the Case for the importance of Voting however, which I confess to being somewhat Ignorant about the full ramifications of before now.
  
  That said... you (Simon) get a Fade from me and I trust that factoid is registered in my "wherever they keep those things" list. I don't work for anybody anywhere except myself. I've found much of the work of many of the Trader's that you're demeaning here to be everything from helpful to very valuable on the merits of what they Post. You (Simon) sound way to Strident and Vitriolic for me to take seriously and I'm not interested in whatever agenda you're on about... I will give you a Nod for making the Case for the importance of Voting however, which I confess to being somewhat Ignorant about the full ramifications of before now. That said... you (Simon) get a Fade from me and I trust that factoid is registered in my "wherever they keep those things" list.
- May 6, 2009 9:30am
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- PistolDave
  
  623 posts
- Personally, I'm glad to have the news contributors. As they say in the FF blog:
  
  "Want to help? Vote regularly!!! A powerful community vote mutes manipulation and brings the best stories to the top! Submitting good stories you find around the Internet is also very helpful."
  
  Everyone should take the time to get involved and at least express an honest opinion of what is being posted here. Personally, I'm glad to have the news contributors. As they say in the FF blog: "Want to help? Vote regularly!!! A powerful community vote mutes manipulation and brings the best stories to the top! Submitting good stories you find around the Internet is also very helpful." Everyone should take the time to get involved and at least express an honest opinion of what is being posted here.
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