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  • #5,281
  • Jun 20, 2017 7:55am Jun 20, 2017 7:55am
Quoting Magog
{quote} I have always thought you should need a licence to have kids. No licence - no kids. IQ less than 90 - no licence.
Fail an IQ test and face mandatory castration?
  • #5,282
  • Jun 20, 2017 7:58am Jun 20, 2017 7:58am
Quoting DrManhatten
{quote} In other words people who argue as such would rather go back to the hunter gathering ways as an alternative. Not realistic is it? Unless of course we end up annihilating each other to oblivion then maybe that is a possibility.
Reminds me of a quote I saw ... WW3 will be nuclear, WW4 will be fought with sticks and stones.
Nothing strengthens authority so much as silence
  • #5,283
  • Jun 20, 2017 8:00am Jun 20, 2017 8:00am
Quoting jen101
{quote} Fail an IQ test and face mandatory castration?
Thinking more sterilization
Nothing strengthens authority so much as silence
  • #5,284
  • Jun 20, 2017 8:04am Jun 20, 2017 8:04am
Quoting verv
{quote} Pretty hard to have a high IQ score when you haven't been taught to read properly. The IQ map correlates very strongly with education / literacy for obvious reasons.
Not sure I agree with that V - think IQ is more hereditary than taught
Nothing strengthens authority so much as silence
  • #5,285
  • Jun 20, 2017 8:20am Jun 20, 2017 8:20am
Quoting Magog
{quote} Not sure I agree with that V - think IQ is more hereditary than taught
Innate intellectual ability is inherited and differs individually between people. That's not the same as scoring well on an IQ test.

The innate genetic ability to read is inherited but actually being able to read requires that the skill of reading is first taught.

I guarantee nobody in this thread would score as well in an IQ test if it was in a language they don't speak.

Identical twins reared in different circumstances can have very different IQ scores.
  • #5,286
  • Jun 20, 2017 8:26am Jun 20, 2017 8:26am
Quoting Magog
{quote} I have always thought you should need a licence to have kids. No licence - no kids. IQ less than 90 - no licence.
Need to call on the services of Ivan knokabollokoff cousin of Vlad the impailer
  • #5,287
  • Jun 20, 2017 8:29am Jun 20, 2017 8:29am
Quoting verv
{quote} Innate intellectual ability is inherited and differs individually between people. That's not the same as scoring well on an IQ test. The innate genetic ability to read is inherited but the actually being able to read requires that the skill of reading is first taught. I guarantee nobody in this thread would score as well in an IQ test if it was in a language they don't speak. All this is besides the point, identical twins reared in different circumstances can have very different IQ scores.
Sorry V reading is not a sign of intelligence - only a form of communication.

You are conflating reading(communication) with intelligence - you also don't need to take an IQ test to be intelligent - Just because someone cannot read or write does not mean they are not intelligent - only that they can't communicate that intelligence.

Teaching only nurtures our innate intelligence. People can't be taught intelligence.
Nothing strengthens authority so much as silence
  • #5,288
  • Jun 20, 2017 8:43am Jun 20, 2017 8:43am
Quoting verv
{quote} Pretty hard to have a high IQ score when you haven't been taught to read properly. The IQ map correlates very strongly with education / literacy for obvious reasons.
as people may have noticed my literacy ability is very poor at school they IQ test me to work out if i was slow or something from a very early age i was always quite a bit above average the last IQ i did at school was in year 10 all these test were done with a educational psychologist and they involved no reading or spelling i this score high enough in my last test to get some string looks off the teachers as i was always in trouble for something so i think most just thought i was thick the last IQ test i done was a paid for one of the internet which i did after 3 or 4 stella's i still get 145 and the test was a normal IQ test which did not take me being dyslexic into account so 20% of the questions were literacy based so even drunk my IQ score is still in the regional of gifted or genius i do like to boast but as a result of doing so many IQ test and having mainly non white friends i have look into why their are such big differences globally in IQ score here is a example of how your wrong with you saying (IQ map correlates very strongly with education) if two twin brothers are adopted and do not see each other until adulthood with one going to a rich family and getting a private education with tuition and the other just go's to a local school with a standard education yes the rich men will have a higher standard of education but but the IQ score will be very similar within the same range as expected the some happens with a single adopted person that has a great education they will have similar IQ to there biological parents the only study that i know of that contradict this is a study done in west Germany post WW2 where children of African American soldiers were said to have similar IQ score to the general population which i do not believe was done i a fair environment because the only reason the examiners could give was that the kids had not experience negative aspects of African American cultural and with the backdrop of Germany at the time i feel this was some political stunt to help convince the remaining German population that the old racial theories was flawed even impoverish East Asian population with a poor education score higher than well fed and educated Western European and the some thing happens with Western European and Eastern European the West sores higher but they are more levels to intelligence and IQ scores for a example in West Africa the native people learn a new languages quicker than people in western Europe i can only presume it's because there are more languages spoken and borders may not have been their as long as in European so the people with the ability to learn a new language quicker had more kids and that has left a mark on their DNA a similar thing happened with the aborigine in Australia they score very low on IQ test but are better than Europeans at visual memory test wiping the floor with us at it but we come from a place where it's not necessary from us to survive and they are from a place with far less visual clues as to where exactly you are and if they get lost in Australia they will die of dehydration very quickly so the ancestors with poor visual memory produce less children and the ones with good visuals memory had more children and that has left a effect on they current day ability even if it's a unused ability in modern life
  • #5,289
  • Jun 20, 2017 8:44am Jun 20, 2017 8:44am
Quoting verv
{quote} Innate intellectual ability is inherited and differs individually between people. That's not the same as scoring well on an IQ test. The innate genetic ability to read is inherited but actually being able to read requires that the skill of reading is first taught. I guarantee nobody in this thread would score as well in an IQ test if it was in a language they don't speak. Identical twins reared in different circumstances can have very different IQ scores.
IQ tests aren't language specific. It's mostly figuring out patterns. That is the whole point of IQ, level of education is irrelevant. Having a scientific /analytical brain helps enormously.
  • #5,290
  • Jun 20, 2017 8:51am Jun 20, 2017 8:51am
Quoting jen101
{quote} Fail an IQ test and face mandatory castration?
I'll never vote for that. I might accidentally have a dumb day ....ouch.
Once You See, You Can't Unsee But You Will Get The Odd Poke In The Eye
  • #5,291
  • Edited 9:10am Jun 20, 2017 8:54am | Edited 9:10am
Quoting Magog
{quote} Sorry V reading is not a sign of intelligence - only a form of communication. You are conflating reading(communication) with intelligence - you also don't need to take an IQ test to be intelligent - Just because someone cannot read or write does not mean they are not intelligent - only that they can't communicate that intelligence. Teaching only nurtures our innate intelligence. People can't be taught intelligence.
Reading is not a sign of intelligence? Please explain that one for me...

I think you don't understand my point, I said that to first score well on IQ tests it helps if you can read and understand it.
  • #5,292
  • Jun 20, 2017 8:55am Jun 20, 2017 8:55am
Quoting verv
{quote} Innate intellectual ability is inherited and differs individually between people. That's not the same as scoring well on an IQ test. The innate genetic ability to read is inherited but actually being able to read requires that the skill of reading is first taught. I guarantee nobody in this thread would score as well in an IQ test if it was in a language they don't speak. Identical twins reared in different circumstances can have very different IQ scores.
i have done IQ test without the ability to read i only learn to read at 17 by asking what a word meant and than memorising it that how i still read today and i was still getting results that made me score in the gifted section also under a educational psychologist i have done IQ test without having any word involved in the test and the only example i have heard about the twin thing is from Germany and it dose not add up do you have a different study i do not know about
  • #5,293
  • Jun 20, 2017 8:56am Jun 20, 2017 8:56am
Quoting Ross88
{quote} as people may have noticed my literacy ability is very poor at school they IQ test me to work out if i was slow or something from a very early age i was always quite a bit above average the last IQ i did at school was in year 10 all these test were done with a educational psychologist and they involved no reading or spelling i this score high enough in my last test to get some string looks off the teachers as i was always in trouble for something so i think most just thought i was thick the last IQ test i done was a paid for one of the internet...
Congrats Ross knew you were a Mensa Monster.
Once You See, You Can't Unsee But You Will Get The Odd Poke In The Eye
  • #5,294
  • Jun 20, 2017 8:59am Jun 20, 2017 8:59am
I really want to reply to more stuff but can't be bothered typing and feel a couple of lines just doesn't cut it or express what I want to say so...............any of you really intelligent people have a solution for me to dictate into FF post ? Tried the windows dictate and spend more time correcting.
Once You See, You Can't Unsee But You Will Get The Odd Poke In The Eye
  • #5,295
  • Jun 20, 2017 9:00am Jun 20, 2017 9:00am
Quoting jen101
{quote} IQ tests aren't language specific. It's mostly figuring out patterns. That is the whole point of IQ, level of education is irrelevant. Having a scientific /analytical brain helps enormously.
I never said they were language specific. I said you need to have some basic literacy skills to demonstrate intellect in an IQ test.

Where are literacy skills lowest? Very often on the same places were IQ is lowest.
  • #5,296
  • Jun 20, 2017 9:00am Jun 20, 2017 9:00am
Quoting Ross88
{quote} as people may have noticed my literacy ability is very poor at school they IQ test me to work out if i was slow or something from a very early age i was always quite a bit above average the last IQ i did at school was in year 10 all these test were done with a educational psychologist and they involved no reading or spelling i this score high enough in my last test to get some string looks off the teachers as i was always in trouble for something so i think most just thought i was thick the last IQ test i done was a paid for one of the internet...
A genius in the house!
  • #5,297
  • Jun 20, 2017 9:03am Jun 20, 2017 9:03am
Quoting verv
{quote} I never said they were language specific. I said you need to have some basic literacy skills to demonstrate intellect in an IQ test. Where are literacy skills lowest? Very often on the same places were IQ is lowest.
You are talking about a correlation, not a causation.

(However, there is some very clear evidence, proven by DNA differences, but I don't think I can go there.)
  • #5,298
  • Jun 20, 2017 9:05am Jun 20, 2017 9:05am
Quoting Stu Effex
I really want to reply to more stuff but can't be bothered typing and feel a couple of lines just doesn't cut it or express what I want to say so...............any of you really intelligent people have a solution for me to dictate into FF post ? Tried the windows dictate and spend more time correcting.
Are your fingers like sausages?
  • #5,299
  • Jun 20, 2017 9:07am Jun 20, 2017 9:07am
Quoting verv
{quote} Reading is not a sign of intelligence? Please explain that one for me... I think you don't understand my point, I said that to first score well on IQ tests it helps if you can read and understand that.
you can have someone read for you and their are IQ test specifically design for people that are illiterate/dyslexia
  • #5,300
  • Edited 9:32am Jun 20, 2017 9:16am | Edited 9:32am
Quoting jen101
{quote} You are talking about a correlation, not a causation. (However, there is some very clear evidence, proven by DNA differences, but I don't think I can go there.)
When did I say it was 'causation'?

I even said above there was an inherited component to intelligence, and a environmental component such as education. The direct implication being the result of an IQ test is multifactorial.

I have been making the point that literacy rates are important for demonstrating intellect. I'm therefore saying that maps of IQ don't tell the full story of 'intellect'.
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