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  • #21
  • Jul 31, 2015 10:29am Jul 31, 2015 10:29am
Quoting Raju
Thank you for sharing your system mer071898. May all your issues be gone forever. Does the following snapshot match with what we're supposed to do ? {image}
Yes, close all trade at the first opposite colored box, but wait til the candle closes as it may move farther as price continues. I always wait til the next candle opens, then close all.
  • #22
  • Jul 31, 2015 10:42am Jul 31, 2015 10:42am
Quoting fxtrader08
{quote} Scott, thanks so much for sharing. have you ever come across a situation where your basket doesn't close? I guess not. I just eyeballed backwards and saw that 22nd July would have been a hard day. Also I see on some days we could use our discretion and simply close all trades when we have enough profit? 24th July wouldn't have given a signal until late in the afternoon to close the basket but that level was reached at 11am and then acted as resistance for a time before we finally got the red signal to close out the basket at around 4.30pm....
On the 22nd, if you put a horizontal line at you closing point, you would have had only 4 losers but 8 winners. Late trades are not that much of a concern as you are still in the New York trading time and can still see price movements. Anything after New York's close I'd be very wary on taking any trades. It's always best to use whatever discretion you desire, but be consistent in doing so. I don't know why you chart isn't showing the same info, did you download the template in post 1 and put it in your templates folder? I've removed and reloaded the indicator numerous times, all with the same result.
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  • #23
  • Jul 31, 2015 10:47am Jul 31, 2015 10:47am
Quoting Raju
{quote} If I could add to that the possibility of basket not closing and the price heading the wrong way, without giving the luxury of selecting an exit level at our own discretion ? So, what would be a good Stop Loss Level.
Stop loss is totally up to you. I can't really recommend anything as I don't use it on this strategy. You might just have to use some trial and error. Individually, you have every luxury to exit trades whenever you desire.
  • #24
  • Jul 31, 2015 11:05am Jul 31, 2015 11:05am
Quoting fxtrader08
{quote} We can't look back as far as I can see because the indicator repaints so thats no use. I'm interested in knowing the maximum DD that Scott has seen and at what level we should begin to wet ourselves. lol.
The indicator itself is based on the high's and lows that are attained over time like a Zigzag indicator, but the thing is, these high's and lows never change in the past so the indicator will show the same boxes as it has no reason to redraw. Now if price itself could change in the past, I could say that this would repaint.

Drawdown, such an evil thought . Drawdown should never be a concern if your account is funded properly. Say you are running an 80 level structure but only use .01 lots per level. you are only putting .8 lots in play at a worst case scenario so your funding could be more reasonable. But it all depends on what you have to risk versus the amount in your account. Me personally, without divulging any personal info, I've never had more the 30-35% drawdown on a 60 level structure with a total of 8.58 lots possible. So if you do the math, you can ballpark what my account is funded with, so I am never concerned about drawdown. July 10th was a great example and I will do a chart of that day later on to show you my breakdown and how it played out in the end.
  • #25
  • Jul 31, 2015 11:38am Jul 31, 2015 11:38am
Hi, thanks for the system. Best thing would be to do is backtest with ea over few years..just to see what the max level it goes to and how often.
  • #26
  • Jul 31, 2015 11:45am Jul 31, 2015 11:45am
Thanks for coming back so quickly.

If you look at this chart, no blue buy signals like you have in your chart.

What could be causing this? Does anyone else have the same issue?
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  • #27
  • Jul 31, 2015 11:56am Jul 31, 2015 11:56am
Quoting mer071898
{quote} On the 22nd, if you put a horizontal line at you closing point, you would have had only 4 losers but 8 winners. Late trades are not that much of a concern as you are still in the New York trading time and can still see price movements. Anything after New York's close I'd be very wary on taking any trades. It's always best to use whatever discretion you desire, but be consistent in doing so. I don't know why you chart isn't showing the same info, did you download the template in post 1 and put it in your templates folder? I've removed and...
What broker do you use for this strategy? I think price feed might be impacting on the indicator output?

If you look at the same chart I have with FXPro on 22nd July. All signals match yours except 1.
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  • #28
  • Jul 31, 2015 1:52pm Jul 31, 2015 1:52pm
Thank you mer071898 for sharing you system with us . seems nice... i have some question :

1- how much SL and TP should we set?
i know you said close trades after opposite signal appear but seems lost a lot of trades without TP and SL (look at pic)

2- is it working on GBPUSD only ?

is there anyone can make it as EA ?

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  • #29
  • Jul 31, 2015 2:03pm Jul 31, 2015 2:03pm
"I've never had more the 30-35% drawdown on a 60 level structure with a total of 8.58 lots possible"

What about 7 Jul? I`ve counted 75+ blue squares. So, I think that it needs more levels - maybe 100. But even 100 levels is not guarantee. Anyway it is very interesting trading method. Maybe someone can create EA? Then we can test it for much longer periods
  • #30
  • Jul 31, 2015 2:10pm Jul 31, 2015 2:10pm
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  • #31
  • Jul 31, 2015 4:06pm Jul 31, 2015 4:06pm
Quoting olvus
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This looks like a grid based strategy. Do you need to be increasing your lot sizes after 13 trades? What if you just trade 0.01 lots on all trades?

Whats the most number of trades that you've had that ended in a loss?

Also. do you have anything you can share in excel for your lot size calculations driven by account balance?

Thanks again
  • #32
  • Jul 31, 2015 4:29pm Jul 31, 2015 4:29pm
Quoting olvus
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Good find olvus!

If scrolling back just to the 7th of July shows a day on which more than 75 boxes are painted... I wonder what the maximum # of painted boxes has been in history?

I wouldn't trade this method until I get an answer to the above. Going back not even a month displays 75+ boxes, going back several years could have days when there are 200 or god knows how many boxes. Definite Margin Call.

To the thread creator, how long have you used this method for, and what was the maximum # of boxes in a row that you've witnessed?
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  • #33
  • Jul 31, 2015 5:38pm Jul 31, 2015 5:38pm
Quoting fxtrader08
{quote} What broker do you use for this strategy? I think price feed might be impacting on the indicator output? If you look at the same chart I have with FXPro on 22nd July. All signals match yours except 1. {image}
I'm sure price feed will have and impact on signal accuracy. I am using OctaFX. Also make sure your input setting is set to 325.
  • #34
  • Jul 31, 2015 5:59pm Jul 31, 2015 5:59pm
Quoting olvus
"I've never had more the 30-35% drawdown on a 60 level structure with a total of 8.58 lots possible" What about 7 Jul? I`ve counted 75+ blue squares. So, I think that it needs more levels - maybe 100. But even 100 levels is not guarantee. Anyway it is very interesting trading method. Maybe someone can create EA? Then we can test it for much longer periods
Here's the thing, I am using 60 as a base structure, but I have the funding to add more positions to that without hurting my margin whatsoever if I feel it necessary. Remember in the first post I used a 40 level structure as an example, if you want 100 levels, use 100 levels. The number of levels is not the issue, having the appropriate account balance for the lots in play is. If you have 60, 80, or even 100 levels, it may seem like a lot but even if you use just .01 lots for all 100 levels there is only 1 full lot in play. For safety, I try not to increase lot sizes until 2/3's of my structure is in play. Even then I don't ramp it up until almost the end of the level. I may only have 1-1.5 lots in play in the first 45-50 levels, everyone is going to be different.

An EA would definitely help for those who want to test it out, if you know anyone willing to tackle it, have them visit the thread. Again, I am not fond of EA's as I like to make adjustments to my trading on the fly.
  • #35
  • Edited 10:52pm Jul 31, 2015 6:16pm | Edited 10:52pm
Quoting Rparm
{quote} Good find olvus! If scrolling back just to the 7th of July shows a day on which more than 75 boxes are painted... I wonder what the maximum # of painted boxes has been in history? I wouldn't trade this method until I get an answer to the above. Going back not even a month displays 75+ boxes, going back several years could have days when there are 200 or god knows how many boxes. Definite Margin Call. To the thread creator, how long have you used this method for, and what was the maximum # of boxes in a row that you've witnessed?
I've used this for around 9-10 months, so it is still pretty new. The 75+ was the biggest I've seen so far with several in the 40-60 range, July 10th being the latest one. And don't get me wrong, I bit the bullet and added to my positions on the 7th and I did take a loss. There was probably just as many total lots in those 15+ levels at the end than the previous 60 levels before it. I also increased my starting lot size over the next several days to help offset those rare large runs that you see, but that was a personal choice and not advised. That's part of the risk, just like a fib retracement, you go up, up, up, and then get knocked down a bit. But then you get back on the horse and continue. If you are on a 4 hour or daily chart, I can see 200 boxes, there's just too much price action to see a run like that on a one minute chart.
  • #36
  • Jul 31, 2015 6:36pm Jul 31, 2015 6:36pm
Quoting mer071898
{quote} I'm sure price feed will have and impact on signal accuracy. I am using OctaFX. Also make sure your input setting is set to 325.
I'm just worried the one signal it misses is the buy or sell exit signal.
  • #37
  • Jul 31, 2015 6:47pm Jul 31, 2015 6:47pm
Quoting fxtrader08
{quote} This looks like a grid based strategy. Do you need to be increasing your lot sizes after 13 trades? What if you just trade 0.01 lots on all trades? Whats the most number of trades that you've had that ended in a loss? Also. do you have anything you can share in excel for your lot size calculations driven by account balance? Thanks again
Unfortunately, I don't have any excel stuff for lot sizes. I continue to trade until I've doubled my account (which is still a few years out), then I increase my lot size accordingly (.01 goes to .02, .05 goes to .10, etc...). As I mentioned above, lot sizing and when to increase is totally at your discretion.

The problem with trading .01 lots for every trade is if you have a run and your opposite signal cuts your run in half, you just break even or have a little loss/gain. Let's use July 10th I mentioned above. The closing price for all trades was at 1.54789. There were 37 trades at a loss and 23 trades in profit (60 total, yes another scary one). Go back and use .01 for all trades and see what your pip total would be for each trade, whether +or - and add the total up. Then go back and use these lot sizes as an example:

1-30=.01
31-45=.02
46-55=.05
56-57=.13
58-59=.34
60 =.89

Add up your pip total using your lot size as a multiplier as you can see the difference. This example may not always work as you may only have 25 trades in which they'd be all .01. My point is to try and calculate your lots sizings to where no matter how my levels you have the last 1/3 of your levels in play should equal roughly double the first 2/3's total lots. If you have 30 levels in play and the first 20 levels are at .20 lots (.01 X 20), the next 10 should roughly add up to .40 lots. It's a tough calculation and it doesn't have to be exact but you want your winning trades to negate your losing trades and then some. Think of it as one large basket of trade with a main goal to be profitable overall.
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  • #38
  • Jul 31, 2015 6:54pm Jul 31, 2015 6:54pm
Here is what we had last night

Trade 1=+18 pips
Trade 2=+17 pips
Trade 3=+19 pips
Trade 4=+18 pips
Trade 5=+19 pips
Trade 6=+19 pips

Total-+93 pips
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  • #39
  • Jul 31, 2015 7:43pm Jul 31, 2015 7:43pm
My suggestion would be to avoid trading on the morning of any high impact news.

That appears to be our cause of 7th July batch ending up in mega DD.

I will factor this in before I open positions for the day. It appears most baskets are closed daily.
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  • #40
  • Edited 4:53am Aug 1, 2015 12:03am | Edited 4:53am
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