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Quick update from a client. Unsolicited, and not affiliated with AvantEdgeFX at all.
Just want to show other traders that there are good, honest and profitable system providers out there.

Started late November and did not trade for about a month (Dec 15 - Jan 10), but here are my results below. As you can see, nothing wild but controlled risk trading.

This really works. I have been trading since 2008, using numerous methods, EAs and attended countless seminars etc. Most of you know what I am talking about. I was making returns, but barely. Trading is hard. And in the end it was no fun, but fear. But since I trade this way, I love "going to work"...trade accuracy has gone up tremendously, and I trade without fear.

My win:loss ratio is seriously improving, I place about 20 trades per day, and recently on most days there is not one loss. Still learning and improving. This might take some time to get rid of my old habits and old market thinking....which is a dead end street.

Try it out, you will not regret it.
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Quick update from a client. Unsolicited, and not affiliated with AvantEdgeFX at all. Just want to show other traders that there are good, honest and profitable system providers out there. Started late November and did not trade for about a month (Dec 15 - Jan 10), but here are my results below. As you can see, nothing wild but controlled risk trading. This really works. I have been trading since 2008, using numerous methods, EAs and attended countless seminars etc. Most of you know what I am talking about. I was making returns, but barely. Trading...
If you place 20 trades a day without a loss, what is your risk/trade management. You risk% of equity? You risk for example 10 pips or…I mean some would think placing 20 trades a day without a loss that you can make at least 10% a day. Are you doing extreme scalping for 5 pips profit? Is that a demo account? You paid 6k course or paying monthly? Tell us more.

And it's a little expensive to try it out no offence.

And I also have a question. You trade by yourself or are you active in the room?

Cause the point of trading is freedom. And I guess system is updating all the time? And you are also depending on the indicators running smoothly through the server right?
Airmac, all risk info you seek can be found in the graph. My SL varies, dependent on my entry.

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I mean some would think placing 20 trades a day without a loss that you can make at least 10% a day.
Uhm....no. Why..? AFAIK, there is no relationship between 20 trades and 10% return. I keep my risk low, as stated above. I may increase this as my track record grows.

"Expensive" is a relative term. Think of any system you may consider as an investment, and thus view its potential ROR. I will let you draw your own conclusions.

I have complete freedom of when I trade. I attend the room to learn and share with fellow traders, and I trade whenever I chose (when trading room is open or not).
There are no 'servers' to run through for reliability and everyone is fully capable of trading by independently by themselves. As far as it being expensive. Sure. You can pay $ 300 for an EA that costs you $ 15,000 in losses (ouch).. or several years (with losses of time & opportunity), or pay for proper professional trading knowledge that performs exactly as it says it does. Which one is more expensive? 15K loss or consistent 20 to 30% gain?

It's merely the difference between the want-to-be's and the professionals. We see all the time those that have been burned by the $ 300 EA. or other self proclaimed guru. The difference is that when we lay out our guidelines and put the rules to test, we shatter the industry standards and are second to none. You can't become an established lawyer without law school, nor will you become a doctor without proper medical school. Yet so many traders are willing to risk life savings without the proper education… something I don't understand and in all aspects is likely the most under priced component of all economies.

Sure there are those that simply try to absorb what we do without understanding the proper aspects of market microstructure, trading in itself is a losing proposition without its proper understanding. At a minimum everyone should assure themselves that they aren't purchasing or following the advice of someone who doesn't understand it themselves. We inspect it's engineering to the simplest form. A price tick.

You won't find us with fallacies of hunting for stops that's an inefficient method of finding yourself nowhere in the end. But with us you won't find yourself struggling without guidance either - but ultimately only you the trader can determine how much preconceived so called 'knowledge or assumptions' you can eliminate. All traders have some form of faulty practices or blindness to what is really taking place, but that's merely because of ego and or lack of respect to the markets structure and a given set of rules.

All of this is the reason we don't accept just anyone. There's an application process, but for those that do find themselves scheduled within - they can rest assured that they will be guided through the waters to calmer seas.

Some of the qualifying factors.

Enough capital stake to establish yourself.
Enough time to dedicate.
Lack of ego - to acknowledge that your prior learning was ultimately wrong. You've followed the masses and the masses don't generate a profit. So give yourself notice to eliminate everything you thought you knew and start fresh.
For many that have seen and that have not seen professional market analysis in action we're holding a Webinar, Trading Professionally 1-19-15.

Many have said that they learn more in this hour than they have learned in 10 years trading. Yet it costs you nothing. You must register for the event. Unfortunately due to the hosting proximity, we don't provide coffee.

Register Here

12:00 PM EST, Monday 1-19-15
thank you for your answers guys!
Wealth… it’s not generated by greed, that’s just a weakness. Wealth and value is generated by giving. Giving of something that puts others in a better situation. Changes their lives for the better or teaches them a skill that cannot be found elsewhere. Wealth isn’t measured by the wallet, it’s quantified by satisfaction and being able to look in the mirror and say you did your part of helping your neighbor.

We may all share in common interests, but to truly grow, you must share in the common goal.

When you think your focus should be on self, the world isolates you in your lonesome to prove it. When you realize that something this good is to be shared, that’s when the keys are laid in your palms.
do you have trading history available publicly?
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Quoting redrhinoFX
do you have trading history available publicly?
To know what we do, requires time on your part, most want the answers and the key's without understanding how or spending more than a minute.
Client's achieve healthy 20 to 30% per month and we've spent 25 years putting together what we have. So spend a moment, its rewards are substantial.
In fact, what we give away is material that isn't learned in 20 years of experience. So everyone learns something. Everyone.

Here's a small (NON FUND) account that was traded over a 2 week period back in September - October. You can glean from it the results are slightly better than clients, which are substantial in themselves. But.. in fairness to me, it does nothing for me to post it. When you see it in action, it becomes quite clear how simple even these results become.

People have been fed so much crap over the past 15 years, the brokers feeding it on one end, while the inexperienced in the market create it on the other end. It was about time someone put some value back into what they provide and we do just that. So many expect a free ride from what we've paid so exorbitantly for. They expect it, because they've been burned by that proverbial $ 300.00 EA, or they have seen advertisements for the holy grail of trading for $ 49.99. Like I said yesterday. You can't become a Dr. without medical school, or a lawyer without law school. But why is it that when people see $ figures they put no mind into their education and knowledge of doing it the right way.
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Thursday 1-22-15 7:00 AM Trading Room for 7:45 EST FOMC Rate Decision.

HERE"S THE ROOM LINK

We will cover the decision with our trading models and live commentary. The Trading Room will open at 7 AM EST. If you've never experienced accuracy in your trading, you should come visit. Don't be left in the dust!

Room will open up at 7 AM EST for Q & A prior to market calls.

No passwords are required for the room access, but be patient and courteous, others are risking significant capital during our sessions.
Quoting AvantEdgeFX
{quote} To know what we do, requires time on your part, most want the answers and the key's without understanding how or spending more than a minute. Client's achieve healthy 20 to 30% per month and we've spent 25 years putting together what we have. So spend a moment, its rewards are substantial. In fact, what we give away is material that isn't learned in 20 years of experience. So everyone learns something. Everyone. Here's a small (NON FUND) account that was traded over a 2 week period back in September - October. You can glean from it the results...
I think its the lack of transparency more than anything else. Buying trading systems for $300 and losing money from the actual trading system isn't a concern when the trading system follows the rules that it were given. There is no lack of transparency when the system doesn't do well because it is documented for people to see publicly.

It wouldn't make any difference how much you pay when the outcome is the same. When you buy an EA, it would normally come with the marketing talk as you do but often the trading system includes a strategy that isn't discretionary which your system must be. If it wasn't discretionary you could easily provide some trading statistics that can relate to your audience instead of stating "Client's achieve healthy 20 to 30% per month" with absolutely nothing to prove this claim.

Thank you for an image for trading results for 1 month. Why isn't this data on an Analytical website, myfxbook, FF, fxstat, for transparency?

You have it all wrong too. Traders do get burned but we learn from these mistakes and develop higher standards to avoid making the same mistakes twice.

You wouldn't pay for tuition to an unknown college would you? Once you graduate and enter the real world, any potential employer would ask " What college did you graduate from". If its unknown, uncredited, You the student just wasted 4-6 years and a lot of money on tuition for nothing.
Cut the red, let the green grow
If you're a trader, you don't get burned. If you're a trader you know the difference and what's real and what's not. If you're a trader, you don't buy that $ 300. EA.. and your account isn't a 500$ balance either. Neither do you have an account on a retail display, well, unless your account is a few thousand dollars or less.

Have a great day.. Notice the Skype was on November 19. But this person started in September… and an 80+% return. (EDIT.. sorry, it's an 88% Gain)

Like I said.. have a great day.
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what trading platform do you trade on? I can possibly build a bridge to send your trades to mt4 platform therefore you can have something to showcase. You mentioned your platform doesn't connect to myfxbook so I would be interested in accomplishing this goal for you.
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It's a market making platform. Privately Built for API's with FIX Connectivities, CNX, HSX, EBS, Reuters. I randomly trade MT4 Accounts for fund clients. MT4 isn't a platform its a mousetrap. It's only decent functionality is charting but thats about it.
Quoting AvantEdgeFX
If you're a trader, you don't get burned. If you're a trader you know the difference and what's real and what's not. If you're a trader, you don't buy that $ 300. EA.. and your account isn't a 500$ balance either. Neither do you have an account on a retail display, well, unless your account is
It sounds like you don't pop your head out of the hole much and you are not aware of what is taking place in the retail sector of FX. You neither understand the importance of transparency or the necessity to showcase your project regardless of the funds behind the system. I shouldn't have to explain these points in 2015 to someone in the commercial section of FF.
Cut the red, let the green grow
Quoting AvantEdgeFX
It's a market making platform. Privately Built for API's with FIX Connectivities, CNX, HSX, EBS, Reuters. I randomly trade MT4 Accounts for fund clients. MT4 isn't a platform its a mousetrap. It's only decent functionality is charting but thats about it.
Then it should be extremely easy to send your trades from your prop platform to mt4 just for documenting your trades. Are you interested?
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Quoting redrhinoFX
{quote} It sounds like you don't pop your head out of the hole much and you are not aware of what is taking place in the retail sector of FX. You neither understand the importance of transparency or the necessity to showcase your project regardless of the funds behind the system. I shouldn't have to explain these points in 2015 to someone in the commercial section of FF.

I understand retail FX all too well. Been in the industry for 26 years. The difference, is I take retail traders, put them in front of institutional analysis and get them away from retail trading. Better put.. I don't just understand transparency, I develop it.
Quoting redrhinoFX
{quote} Then it should be extremely easy to send your trades from your prop platform to mt4 just for documenting your trades. Are you interested?
I have 2 full time and 1 part time developer on staff, and another in Europe if I need a developer or 4. So I don't need a developer! One of my objectives is to get traders away from MetaTrash why would I want to integrate with it more?
Quoting AvantEdgeFX
{quote} I have 2 full time and 1 part time developer on staff, and another in Europe if I need a developer or 4. So I don't need a developer! One of my objectives is to get traders away from MetaTrash why would I want to integrate with it more?
What else are we talking about here? To show your system in action of course. Mt4 provides that benefit because of its popularity. Meta is trash but you're still using it as a tool right? So why not complete the wheel here and connect your system to the metatrash for some creditability?
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http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=477342 - " I stumbled across this trading system a few months ago" - Mar 27, 2014
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If you have a good system, there will be plenty of people supporting you in the longer term. I would like to be one of those persons so I will gladly watch your webinars and follow you to decide on my own.
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