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  •  spyderman
  • Joined Nov 2010 | Status: Snaggin' Some Pips | 2,157 Posts
So if any of you have looked through the thread you will have noticed that we had a good measure of success in the early part of 2013. We had increases of 10's of thousands of pips and I increased the account size by a factor of 10 (in floating profit at least). Much of this was due to the yen sell off over that time period. After all, that's what trend trading is all about.

One problem came as I stacked trades (I love stacking trades). I was adjusting the lot size of each subsequent stacked trade in line with the new floating equity. What that in effect did was drastically increase the lot sizing of positions as they were further along in the trend. However, as is typical with trend trading strategies, the positions toward the end of the trend are sacrificed at a loss as the Price Action turns and the direction of your trend changes. So these large position sizes, although relatively small in pip count, were eating up the profits from the earlier huge pip count positions that were of much smaller lot size.

So...to remedy that error I am now basing the lot sizing on account balance and not equity. That way each position is exactly the same in terms of risk to the account balance.

Additionally, I am lowering the risk % on each trade. In the past, I had a lot sizing of 3%. I want to now lower that to eventually be around .5 - 1%.
I say eventually because...in order to get the spreads I want across as many pairs as possible I went to a ECN account which carries standard lot sizing. So 1 lot is 100,000 units. Smallest size I can trade is .01 lots or 1000 units. With the stop sizes typical with this strategy that equates to a higher risk based on my account size.
More like 3-5%. I'm willing to take this risk now due to the smaller size of my account, knowing that I may blow it up. However, as my account size increases I will lower my risk % down to where I want it.

The other main issue creating drawdown on the account were the many losing trades experienced while waiting to hit a trending pair. As discussed earlier, this to some extent just goes with the nature of trend trading. But if we could reduce these negative hits it would obviously be better for our equity growth, and less painful to our psyche. So to help accomplish that I have introduced some additional Higher Time Frame (HTF) filtering into the system. This will hopefully keep us out of some choppy markets while still allowing us to get into the longer term trends.

...more to come...
 
 
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  • Mar 1, 2014 5:20pm Mar 1, 2014 5:20pm
  •  piprac
  • | Joined Nov 2007 | Status: Member | 779 Posts
I don't see how 'stacking' can work well in the US because of the Dodd/Frank forex reforms that insist on FIFO. I had a nice $/Y trade going so I added another trade but then the pair went sideways and the 2nd 'stacked' trade was in a small loss. I couldn't close it because of FIFO, I had to 1st close the very profitable trade and then the 2nd losing one. Good reason to go offshore I think.
 
 
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  • Mar 1, 2014 5:27pm Mar 1, 2014 5:27pm
  •  spyderman
  • Joined Nov 2010 | Status: Snaggin' Some Pips | 2,157 Posts
Okay,
So here's the new setup.

First we look to the weekly chart to see what our long term trend is.

Here's the NzdCad:
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Which way are we trending...pretty obvious. The 7ema is above, in fact well above, the 22 ema.
Wouldn't it have been nice to be in on this up trend since around September of 2013. We're up about 700 pips from those levels.

Compare that to this chart of the AudJpy weekly:
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We do not want to be trading in this type of price action.
I want to wait and get some type of separation on the 7 above the 22 before going further.

Take a look at the CadJpy:
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Here's an example of a pair that has just recently (on the weekly time frame) come out of a congestion area and shown some separation of the 7 from 22.
Will it continue down. We have no way of knowing of course, but for the moment it's looking like the start of a down trend and worth the risk.

Now usually even though we have a nice trending pair on the weekly, that won't result in a smooth upward/downward move. Trends have pullbacks, and you can see those on the NzdCad with those bearish reversal bars.

So next we go to the Daily...
 
 
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  •  spyderman
  • Joined Nov 2010 | Status: Snaggin' Some Pips | 2,157 Posts
Quoting piprac
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Good reason to go offshore I think.
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There are also US based brokers that handle FIFO in the back office. Not sure how they work it as I've not used them, but the way I understand it is that they handle your orders in accordance with the FIFO rules but on your platform it reacts as if you were closing the orders as you see fit. Same with hedging (which we don't use on this strategy.)
 
 
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  • Mar 1, 2014 5:37pm Mar 1, 2014 5:37pm
  •  spyderman
  • Joined Nov 2010 | Status: Snaggin' Some Pips | 2,157 Posts
So here we are on the Daily on the NzdCad:

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The blue vertical line is the 7/22 cross on the weekly chart. We had a nice 2 month uptrend on the daily time frame before price congested.
Then in January, a few days after the 7/22 cross up, we start to get some separation of the 7 and 22. This makes for a nice trading environment.

The 7 is now well above the 22 on the weekly...and the daily...
So we move to the hourly.
 
 
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  • Mar 1, 2014 5:46pm Mar 1, 2014 5:46pm
  •  spyderman
  • Joined Nov 2010 | Status: Snaggin' Some Pips | 2,157 Posts
So here's the hourly:

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Again, the red vertical line is the 7/22 cross on the daily. I've zoomed way out so you can see the whole price action since that cross. Remember all the price action to the right of that red line is with the 7 above the 22 on the daily, so we'd be looking for trades on all the crosses. If you'd entered on each of the up crosses and moved them to BE, you'd currently have 5 positions open on this relatively short uptrend. That would have cost you about 3 entries hitting your stop loss for a .5% hit to your account on each. The rest would have closed out at BE. Not bad for already having locked in about 640 pips.

Now zoomed in we see where I picked up the pair (already well along in the trend) and 3 entry areas based on the 1 hour.

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I currently have 3 positions open on the NzdCad with 74 pips locked in on the first entry and the other 2 at BE.

Next up is trade managment.
 
 
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  •  tlpfx14
  • | Joined Feb 2014 | Status: Member | 413 Posts
Quoting spyderman
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So here's the hourly: I currently have 3 positions open on the NzdCad with 74 pips locked in on the first entry and the other 2 at BE. Next up is trade managment.
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good to read your posts.
now you refer to the lower tf for entry?
 
 
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  • Mar 2, 2014 11:41am Mar 2, 2014 11:41am
  •  spyderman
  • Joined Nov 2010 | Status: Snaggin' Some Pips | 2,157 Posts
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{quote} good to read your posts. now you refer to the lower tf for entry?
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I often take the initial entry on the 7/22 cross on the daily tf, but additional entries are on the hourly.
 
 
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  •  spyderman
  • Joined Nov 2010 | Status: Snaggin' Some Pips | 2,157 Posts
Previously I took stacked trades on continuation of daily trend based on candle reversals, etc.
But now I'm taking additional entries based on the 7/22 cross on the hourly.

A little on Trade Management:

Again, optimal lot sizing for me will be approx. .5% per position
My stops are at a recent swing (hourly) low/high or at obvious S/R levels.
When price has moved in favor of trade equal to initial stop size I move to BE to protect against loss.
As far as TP I look to close all trades in a series when the daily 7ema crosses back over the daily 22ema.

That's basically it.

I'll answer questions and post a trade from time to time, especially on an ongoing pair under discussion (i.e. NzdCad)
But this isn't' meant to be a trade journal (although one is posted)
 
 
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  • Mar 6, 2014 11:23am Mar 6, 2014 11:23am
  •  Caillou
  • | Joined Apr 2010 | Status: Member | 1,404 Posts
Hi again Spyde,

Iīm here with you again. Letīs give this baby a new chance.

As always, quiet threads drive my attention. And congratulations for your excellent start (113,6% in open trades.....).

Will start a small live account on Monday.

Cheers.
 
 
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  • Mar 13, 2014 4:03am Mar 13, 2014 4:03am
  •  Caillou
  • | Joined Apr 2010 | Status: Member | 1,404 Posts
Good morning,

Already recovered initial 5% closed loss...........

Thank you Spyderman
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  • Mar 13, 2014 7:28am Mar 13, 2014 7:28am
  •  spyderman
  • Joined Nov 2010 | Status: Snaggin' Some Pips | 2,157 Posts
Quoting Caillou
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Good morning, Already recovered initial 5% closed loss........... Thank you Spyderman {image}
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Good job.

As with all trend following strategies, we just need patience. Markets are a bit choppy right now. The big trenders are trying to decide which way to go.
BOJ comments are causing indecision in the yen pairs. Canada's up one day, down the next. Kiwi pairs are all over the place.

Patience.....
 
 
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  • Mar 13, 2014 9:58am Mar 13, 2014 9:58am
  •  Caillou
  • | Joined Apr 2010 | Status: Member | 1,404 Posts
Quoting spyderman
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{quote} Good job. As with all trend following strategies, we just need patience. Markets are a bit choppy right now. The big trenders are trying to decide which way to go. BOJ comments are causing indecision in the yen pairs. Canada's up one day, down the next. Kiwi pairs are all over the place. Patience.....
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Yes, we can only be in the market waiting for a trend to establish, let it run when we are right and cut quickly when we are wrong....

Cheers
 
 
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  • May 1, 2014 7:56am May 1, 2014 7:56am
  •  tlpfx14
  • | Joined Feb 2014 | Status: Member | 413 Posts
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Previously I took stacked trades on continuation of daily trend based on candle reversals, etc. But now I'm taking additional entries based on the 7/22 cross on the hourly. A little on Trade Management: Again, optimal lot sizing for me will be approx. .5% per position My stops are at a recent swing (hourly) low/high or at obvious S/R levels. When price has moved in favor of trade equal to initial stop size I move to BE to protect against loss. As far as TP I look to close all trades in a series when the daily 7ema crosses back over the daily 22ema....
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Hi
If you can post charts, then it will be great for beginners like me to understand more of your trading method / style?
Thanks
 
 
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  • May 1, 2014 8:51am May 1, 2014 8:51am
  •  spyderman
  • Joined Nov 2010 | Status: Snaggin' Some Pips | 2,157 Posts
Quoting tlpfx14
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{quote} Hi If you can post charts, then it will be great for beginners like me to understand more of your trading method / style? Thanks
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I think the charts on the last couple of pages spell everything out pretty well. Again this isn't a trade journal.
If anyone has a specific question on something, I'll attempt to answer it.
 
 
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  •  aelimian
  • | Joined Oct 2004 | Status: Member | 430 Posts
I do like this system for it's simplicity.
I believe you can replace the MAs and MACD with the Heikin ashi, everything else remaining same.
 
 
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