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  • #61
  • Jan 16, 2012 12:20pm Jan 16, 2012 12:20pm
no supply to the bottom of the trend chanel..that would be an ideal vsa entry,but i am already in
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  • #62
  • Jan 16, 2012 7:40pm Jan 16, 2012 7:40pm
Quoting swingfiddle
no supply to the bottom of the trend chanel..that would be an ideal vsa entry,but i am already in
Very good....
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  • #63
  • Jan 18, 2012 2:03am Jan 18, 2012 2:03am
my view on usd already long au based on this
indexhttp://screencast.com/t/Dsn9w4H8ud
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  • #64
  • Jan 18, 2012 2:33am Jan 18, 2012 2:33am
as predicted...http://screencast.com/t/pWPZQwrAEqY
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  • #65
  • Jan 18, 2012 2:45am Jan 18, 2012 2:45am
Based on statements EZ is just fine...market might have target for DX at 79.6
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  • #66
  • Jan 18, 2012 2:58am Jan 18, 2012 2:58am
aproaching target
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  • #67
  • Jan 18, 2012 6:33am Jan 18, 2012 6:33am
Quoting swingfiddle
aproaching target
trade stpoped out -20
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  • #68
  • Jan 18, 2012 9:36am Jan 18, 2012 9:36am
i should never let a winning trade be a loss as audusd,but usd/chf rewarded me made up the loss and closed in profit for the day

that was a very good opportunity-upthrust which was screaming selling is there
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  • #69
  • Jan 21, 2012 8:51am Jan 21, 2012 8:51am
looks like the rally is ending-the breakout through the H1 supply was on poor volume and after this we see some narrow no demand bars.Also 2 nice red h1 candles confirming that the aerea was distribution,and not a re-accumulation aerea breaking to the downside.
went short to the no demand bar before us close
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  • #70
  • Feb 12, 2012 1:03am Feb 12, 2012 1:03am
Hi Swingfiddle,

I am looking for the TICKS version of Better Volume, where can I find this?

Regards

Quoting swingfiddle
shorting gu after breaking out from re-distribution aerea shakeout in uds index 4M and no demand bars in GU 4M and i took the sell.

this chart is 5m,but i am looking in 4m charts also,you see things differently that way

my stop is 35 above the entry above the distibution aerea
  • #71
  • Feb 16, 2012 8:54pm Feb 16, 2012 8:54pm
Hi swingfiddle i like ur way of trading am watching this eu could be be watching to buy on retracemnt on the supply line and ns entry?whats ur opinion
how has ur trading been since u started using this style ?
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thankyou gregwilson
  • #72
  • Feb 16, 2012 11:20pm Feb 16, 2012 11:20pm
Quoting njokie
Hi swingfiddle i like ur way of trading am watching this eu could be be watching to buy on retracemnt on the supply line and ns entry?whats ur opinion
how has ur trading been since u started using this style ?

Hi njokie-to be honest i didnt do good with that style and the reason is that its tempting to do many counter trades which is not good i think.i dont say supply and demand zones dont work-just saying its too subjective for me-truth is that i have seen more times the s/d zones fail than reversing the price-or reverse it for few pips.good luck!
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  • #73
  • Feb 17, 2012 6:32am Feb 17, 2012 6:32am
Quoting swingfiddle
Hi njokie-to be honest i didnt do good with that style and the reason is that its tempting to do many counter trades which is not good i think.i dont say supply and demand zones dont work-just saying its too subjective for me-truth is that i have seen more times the s/d zones fail than reversing the price-or reverse it for few pips.good luck!
For me another name for Supply/Demand zone is ENTRY SIGNAL ZONE. The key is you want to see an etnry signal in the zone rather than simply going short in a supply zone or long in a demand zone. Supply and Demand zones are not trade signals.

The entry singal can be one interval or multiple intervals. That's up to the trader. But the idea is that the entry signal is disticnt from the idea of the Supply or Demand zone. That is to say, the signal can occur anywhere on the chart, but the only instances that you want to be looking to trade occur on/in/around a Supply or Demand zone.

As will often be the case, price may move up from below and push through a Supply zone as if it wasn't even there. So what? It will also bounce from a zone many times and yet not give you your entry signal. So what?

Your focus should be narrow: "I want to see A) b) C) and D) to get long or short and I want to see them in the right place (zone)."
Without VSA, you're playing checkers while the Smart Money plays chess.
  • #74
  • Feb 17, 2012 9:41am Feb 17, 2012 9:41am
Quoting HiddenGap
For me another name for Supply/Demand zone is ENTRY SIGNAL ZONE. The key is you want to see an etnry signal in the zone rather than simply going short in a supply zone or long in a demand zone. Supply and Demand zones are not trade signals.

The entry singal can be one interval or multiple intervals. That's up to the trader. But the idea is that the entry signal is disticnt from the idea of the Supply or Demand zone. That is to say, the signal can occur anywhere on the chart, but the only instances that you want to be looking to trade occur on/in/around...
Hello Hidden Gap.
thanks for coming by and contributing-yes this is excactly what i tried to do- as you can see in my drawing i tried to sum up my focus in "i want to see these things happening" in the zones.But the problem is that in the majority of times price did irrelevant thigns of what i had drawn on the paper-neither break through neither reversed.I am not diminisihng the concept of supply and demand trading that so many people trading succesfully at all-i am just admiting that my personal perspective cannot make it work for me so i move on-still sticking to vsa ofcourse-still learning and evolving
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  • #75
  • Feb 27, 2012 9:26pm Feb 27, 2012 9:26pm
Quoting HiddenGap
For me another name for Supply/Demand zone is ENTRY SIGNAL ZONE. The key is you want to see an etnry signal in the zone rather than simply going short in a supply zone or long in a demand zone. Supply and Demand zones are not trade signals.

The entry singal can be one interval or multiple intervals. That's up to the trader. But the idea is that the entry signal is disticnt from the idea of the Supply or Demand zone. That is to say, the signal can occur anywhere on the chart, but the only instances that you want to be looking to trade occur on/in/around...

This is so important - i am just embarrassed at how many years it has taken me to learn this crutial fact.

You can chase price pivots all over the shop and in the end make a little money if you are very, very good at.

Or you can find significant s&r or s&d zones (not just any old line in the sand) and wait for price to act appropriately exactly where it should - and you can save so much time and money.

If only someone sat me down years ago and drilled it into my head until it sunk in - my path would have been quite different.

Having said that - if you can't find good/valid/solid zones - you are back where you started - whistling dixie.
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  • #76
  • Feb 28, 2012 4:35am Feb 28, 2012 4:35am
I too have found it hard to work with supply and demand zones and i think it comes down to the shady interepretation and determining what a zone is.

is it a wrb?
is it based on volume?
is sam's way?

How do you actually determine what is actually a supply and demand zone quickly and efficiently?

Knowing this information would help me immensely in practicing HiddenGap's "I want to see A) b) C) and D) to get long or short and I want to see them in the right place"
  • #77
  • Feb 28, 2012 6:49am Feb 28, 2012 6:49am
Quoting jamielee
I too have found it hard to work with supply and demand zones and i think it comes down to the shady interpretation and determining what a zone is.


I would agree that some of the newer practitioners use a "shady", although perhaps a better word would be "fluid", interpretation of what determines a zone. However those that have been at for awhile are more rigid (rule based) in determining what constitutes a Zone.

To be sure, even among the more experienced, there will be variations in the interepation. Two traders using Sam's work might not always find the exact same zones.

This is one reason I believe that Supply/Demand Zones are not trade signals. They are the places one wants to see his or her trade signal appear...

Quoting jamielee

is it a wrb?
is it based on volume?
is sam's way?
The short answer is yes. There is more than one way to determine a Supply or Demand Zone. Find the method that resonates the most with what you believe and go from there.

Here are some things to keep in mind:

1. How does price leave a level?
2. Can you define and then see strong continuation?
3. If you are looking for a rally base rally, how much of a base is too much?
4. When can the lack of volume actually be interpreted as a strong change in the underlying order flow dynamics?
5. Why is a WRB with a Hidden Gap different to a WRB without a Hidden Gap?
6. Once a zone is created (and identified) what causes the zone to close?

These are just a few questions to get you thinking. It should be obvious that the questions encompass more than one style. That was done to get you comparing and contrasting the various styles in your own mind.
Without VSA, you're playing checkers while the Smart Money plays chess.
  • #78
  • Feb 29, 2012 12:54am Feb 29, 2012 12:54am
Thanks HiddenGap,

Your posts (i have read them all) are insightful and always promote a lot of thinking.


Quoting HiddenGap
I would agree that some of the newer practitioners use a "shady", although perhaps a better word would be "fluid", interpretation of what determines a zone. However those that have been at for awhile are more rigid (rule based) in determining what constitutes a Zone.

To be sure, even among the more experienced, there will be variations in the interepation. Two traders using Sam's work might not always find the exact same zones.

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  • #79
  • Mar 11, 2012 8:22am Mar 11, 2012 8:22am
Hi Mima, you can fin a version of Better Volume indicator for MT5 here: http://www.earnforex.com/forum/f12/b...html#post24998.

Enjoy.

Quoting mima
No one coded better volume for MT5 yet... I am just asking around...I did not ask you about MT5 itself.. I am looking for indicator of Better Volume coded for MT5.
  • #80
  • Mar 28, 2013 3:15am Mar 28, 2013 3:15am
Quoting swingfiddle
Hi all,i am starting a new thread on this as it is a hybrid concept of VSA with S&D zones.There are great threads in ff to learn about these two concepts seperately.
Just thinking on a simple manner i made the following drawing

In my drawing i try to summurize what is happening on any chart- and this is 3 things happening for long trades and the reversed procedures for short.
So i am trying to fit any trade i will take in any of these 6 categories(3 for short-3 for long)
Looking forward for your feedback ,additional ideas and corrections...
Hi Swingfiddle,

Many thanks for your posts! where did you get the indicators? I've google it several times with no success. Is there an official site where I can find documentation and updates to the indicators?

Many thanks,
Dinis
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