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  • #101
  • Nov 18, 2011 12:01pm Nov 18, 2011 12:01pm
must i do this on experts or indicators?
Quoting deankenny21
no problem steve here you go
  • #102
  • Nov 18, 2011 12:11pm Nov 18, 2011 12:11pm
Quoting stevebalmmer
must i do this on experts or indicators?
Experts, treat it like you would a expert advisor, drag it onto chart, input your chosen values, then make sure expert advisors tab is selected and you have the smily face on your chart

also make sure u DO NOT place them on the 10 min offline charts, as they wont work, they need to be on the live active chart in the background
  • #103
  • Nov 18, 2011 12:23pm Nov 18, 2011 12:23pm
A nice thread you have here.

I am subscreibed.

It will not fair off me to commend on your comparing those 2 strategyes, because I am part in 1 off them.

But what I really like is a Neutral person trading according the rules and post all trades.

The good the bad and the ugly oners.


Congrats off your pips and new game.LOL

Peter
  • #104
  • Nov 18, 2011 12:23pm Nov 18, 2011 12:23pm
Dean.....thought that this indicator may interest you. Had there been another reentry signal at the top of the markets, we would have know that we were at the range limits.....
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  • #105
  • Nov 18, 2011 12:30pm Nov 18, 2011 12:30pm
Quoting fratelli
A nice thread you have here.

I am subscreibed.

It will not fair off me to commend on your comparing those 2 strategyes, because I am part in 1 off them.

But what I really like is a Neutral person trading according the rules and post all trades.

The good the bad and the ugly oners.


Congrats off your pips and new game.LOL

Peter
No problem fratelli nice to have you share this system
and same for Udine if he ever reads

Your 2 methods are the current most popular on here, so therefore have been chosen as well as thier mechanical way of trading
  • #106
  • Nov 18, 2011 2:13pm Nov 18, 2011 2:13pm
Quoting daytrade5
Dean.....thought that this indicator may interest you. Had there been another reentry signal at the top of the markets, we would have know that we were at the range limits.....
That may be useful!

The thing is, you don't really know if it's ranging or not, until it breaks out. Then it turns green. But then the move often is already over. So it's best to just trade at the normal session times to find good movement (enough power) I think.

It's also hard and time consuming to really test the advantages of using this indicator, because it does not show history data.

If there would be this indicator, which also displays history data, that would be useful
  • #107
  • Nov 18, 2011 3:08pm Nov 18, 2011 3:08pm
Congrats for your hard work Dean

Today you made a killing with Fratelli..... maybe it was a lucky day and the market was favorable, but I think that Fratelli is definately far better than udine's.

TF, rules for entry and indicators catch better the market sentiment. Of course there are (will be) losses but, who can avoid it? And here comes in action the better MM & R:R of Fratelli.

I think the best merit of Udine has been to let us focus on price action & momentum...and to fastly discover the potential of Fratelli when it arrived here in FF...
  • #108
  • Nov 18, 2011 3:17pm Nov 18, 2011 3:17pm
Thanks everyone for your kind words
Your right fratelli is looking a lot better than invictus. It would now take invictus 11 staight full tp winning trades now just to level par with fratelli and its only one day, definately lookong forward to next week .
  • #109
  • Nov 18, 2011 5:13pm Nov 18, 2011 5:13pm
Dean,

Thank you for your effort here.

Will definitely try Fratelli for next week, LIVE

Cheers
福 子 Victor V
  • #110
  • Nov 18, 2011 9:01pm Nov 18, 2011 9:01pm
Quoting Dagobert
That may be useful!

The thing is, you don't really know if it's ranging or not, until it breaks out. Then it turns green. But then the move often is already over. So it's best to just trade at the normal session times to find good movement (enough power) I think.

It's also hard and time consuming to really test the advantages of using this indicator, because it does not show history data.

If there would be this indicator, which also displays history data, that would be useful
the indihe is on about is not one that detects ranges, its an average of a certain amount of days of that currencys pairs range high to low, then it calculates it and averages it out for a new trading day, giving you a range high and range low, where its wise not to trade the the high or low as 9 times out of 10 any rally or deline runs out of steam at these points, take the AU loser today for example very close to range high, and we bought and was a loser, and AU promptly reversed at the range high and decreased until markets closed.
  • #111
  • Nov 19, 2011 1:31am Nov 19, 2011 1:31am
Great job your doing here Dean, it's great to see a system being tested like this and on a live account as well!

A few of the losing trades you made were close to big round numbers and I have attached a helpful indicator which will plot all the round numbers on the chart to remind you. Most often support/resistance comes near these round numbers.
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  • #112
  • Nov 19, 2011 1:38am Nov 19, 2011 1:38am
true but Dean was trading according to exact rules in a mechanical fashion in order to test. At least one trade I saw I wouldn't have taken because there was divergence on the MACD. I'm sure Dean saw it too but diveregnce is not part of the rules. It's one reason why I have never used EA's.
  • #113
  • Nov 19, 2011 4:16am Nov 19, 2011 4:16am
zpiders and handy, thanks alot for what you pointed out, as for round umbers i use them alot in my own trading, divergence has never interested me for some reason, its just like looking at a second chart of the same thing.

Anyway as i stated earlier, im not taking any of this into account for any system unless its part of the rules, purely to keep the results clean and transparent.

Many thanks
Dean
  • #114
  • Nov 19, 2011 7:45am Nov 19, 2011 7:45am
Quoting deankenny21
zpiders and handy, thanks alot for what you pointed out, as for round umbers i use them alot in my own trading, divergence has never interested me for some reason, its just like looking at a second chart of the same thing.

Anyway as i stated earlier, im not taking any of this into account for any system unless its part of the rules, purely to keep the results clean and transparent.

Many thanks
Dean
You should take a look at dynel's 'scalp the trend', seems almost flawless and somewhat reminscient of fratelli, with fewer rules.
Small disciplines repeated with consistency lead to great achievements.
  • #115
  • Nov 19, 2011 11:26am Nov 19, 2011 11:26am
Quoting jmflukeiii
You should take a look at dynel's 'scalp the trend', seems almost flawless and somewhat reminscient of fratelli, with fewer rules.
I know Dynel quite well, and hes a good trader.
But as mentioned before shall only concentrate on the 2 for now, if i add any more then im afraid the results might not be as accurate trying to keep an eye on 3.

Many thanks
Dean
  • #116
  • Nov 19, 2011 12:27pm Nov 19, 2011 12:27pm
Just to play devils advocate here, we have to remember that most of the systems on FF will work in a trending market. On a fundamental level I'm surprised there is so much confidence in Sidus because at the end of the day it's basically a moving average crossover system. May as well use Cowabunga system which has been around for years.

Anyway Dean has the results to prove Sidus has worked (contributed) so far so it's difficult to make criticism but it clearly needs to be tested over a longer period.
  • #117
  • Nov 19, 2011 12:29pm Nov 19, 2011 12:29pm
Quoting handy148
Just to play devils advocate here, we have to remember that most of the systems on FF will work in a trending market. On a fundamental level I'm surprised there is so much confidence in Sidus because at the end of the day it's basically a moving average crossover system. May as well use Cowabunga system which has been around for years.

Anyway Dean has the results to prove Sidus has worked (contributed) so far so it's difficult to make criticism but it clearly needs to be tested over a longer period.
The system isn't purely based on Sidus, there are other indicators that also need to be valid before pulling the trigger.
  • #118
  • Nov 19, 2011 12:33pm Nov 19, 2011 12:33pm
Of course that's true - but Sidus is the first rule listed so obviously has some importance.
  • #119
  • Nov 19, 2011 12:44pm Nov 19, 2011 12:44pm
Quoting handy148
Just to play devils advocate here, we have to remember that most of the systems on FF will work in a trending market. On a fundamental level I'm surprised there is so much confidence in Sidus because at the end of the day it's basically a moving average crossover system. May as well use Cowabunga system which has been around for years.

Anyway Dean has the results to prove Sidus has worked (contributed) so far so it's difficult to make criticism but it clearly needs to be tested over a longer period.
Well you will be happy to know that from weekend testing and inspection Sidus has been removed, nothing wrong with it, we have found that cn meke just as many pips if more by working without it many thanks
  • #120
  • Edited 6:19pm Nov 19, 2011 4:20pm | Edited 6:19pm
Quoting deankenny21
Well you will be happy to know that from weekend testing and inspection Sidus has been removed, nothing wrong with it, we have found that cn meke just as many pips if more by working without it many thanks
I was just going to say, its unecessary. It just is a visual reminder that price has turned at a certain point which you can see by, as you guessed it, just looking at the price.

I'm interested to see your revisions.
Small disciplines repeated with consistency lead to great achievements.
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