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  • #21
  • Dec 8, 2010 8:56am Dec 8, 2010 8:56am
Quoting roundrock
i have a non-loss system that doesnt place any order
I have two non-loss system, one of them is MT4 EA, bit it doesn't have my hedging system. I don't know why people don't trust in the system, I attached a Ninja backtest with 500 trades...
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  • #22
  • Dec 8, 2010 10:30am Dec 8, 2010 10:30am
Quoting floydian666
I don't want to sell it
how about share it? if not paid someone to do it.

Quoting floydian666
I have two non-loss system, one of them is MT4 EA, bit it doesn't have my hedging system. I don't know why people don't trust in the system, I attached a Ninja backtest with 500 trades...
there is not much of Ninja platform trader in this forum, therefore if u have mt4 files just share it.

not other is no trust the system but give out the indicators rules, etc. otherwise people unable to test your system, then of course no trust. trust me, people want to see on their own eyes to trust what you have to say, to let them test your system.

start your system is trading system thread, more people test out once they think the system is very good enough, some one will want to help out.
  • #23
  • Dec 8, 2010 1:26pm Dec 8, 2010 1:26pm
Quoting floydian666
Hy to everyone! I have a complete non loss system, and I'm looking for a programmer who can write the EA to MT4.
I think your system is less about the entry points than the actual hedging.. it has been proven that many times a take profit of 1 pip and a stop loss of 100 pips has a very high success rate.. but you just manipulated it with a hedge to avoid getting stopped out by margin.

it might be 100% wins in most cases but what is the actual % of gains on your account per year?

I would imagine there are better entry points than a bollinger band and adx requirement for this method that would have a much faster return on that 1 pip.. I seen some of your entries take 8 hours or more to get 1 pip

Did you take into account spreads as well because in your back test it didn't look like you did?
  • #24
  • Dec 9, 2010 4:15am Dec 9, 2010 4:15am
This is not only for stopped out by margin. If you close a position at exsample -100 pip, this is a CLOSED LOSS. If you hedge it, you have more chances to close the position at +1 pip, and this is the big difference. If you have a BB run, the price gettin crazy, and you will lose the complete account. This was the most dangerous part of this strategy. Exsample you have 50 winner trades, and then one loss and your account will die, (if your account can't tolerate that loss). And than the price turns again to the right way, and one month later, you can close the position at +1 pip. But what happened in that month? Now this is the probleme.

Exsample from the backtest(without hedging):

2009 09 03 08:01 short at 150.44

2009 09 07 04:03 position in: -120
2009 09 11 07:00 position in: -200
2009 09 12 07:14 position in: -380
closing at: 2009 09 14 00:43 close at 150.39

We can't work with large lots, with big leverage, we can't make big profit.

How it works with the hedging system?

2009 09 03 08:01 short at 150.44

2009 09 07 04:03 position in: -50
2009 09 11 07:00 position in: -50
2009 09 12 07:14 position in: -50
closing at: 2009 09 14 00:43 close at 150.39

We can work with larger lots, with big leverage, we can make bigger profit.

In the backtest the system was working with the "if in the bands closed" rule. (we did'nt make only 1 pip, the EA closed the position, if the candle closed in the band, and only if it's profitable)
If someone can write the EA, we can backtest this method and the +1pip method also.

I'm testing only with spreads. (we take out the spreads from the results)

About the entry points:
I also know a lot of good strategies, but the "BB runner filter" is very good. The is very important, how filter the entry points.

If you have better strategies about entry points, please share it!

I have the system only in ninja file, but I have one more non loss in MT4. I don't know how filter the entry points. With BB is much easier.

One more thing about the active trading with this system:

You can run it on every single pair with low spreads. This is a good risk diversification, and if you have one hedge, the EA isn't stop! It will open the positions and this is the good way to recovering, and make big profits.
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  • #25
  • Dec 9, 2010 6:19am Dec 9, 2010 6:19am
I'd still like to know your estimated returns with this method is.. like say you trade 1% of account per trade what is your guess as to return a year.. I saw an example once of a 60% winning system verse a 95% winning system and the system with less wins made more because it aimed for larger returns

and yes I would suggest you get this thing up on the strategy section asap.. I am too shaky to do a hedging system myself and spend hours waiting for it to make 1 pip

I know programing but never done an EA before.. but very interested in it

bottom line tho is thank you for sharing your method its surly very interesting

oh and about entries I would personally just do something based on a trendline or to make it easier to code a HA change which would be the same thing pretty much

the BB entries seem iffy just knowing some people actually trade BB in the opposite way your system does (aka ride the breakouts)

best wishes!
  • #26
  • Dec 9, 2010 8:08am Dec 9, 2010 8:08am
I think i am starting to mature as a trader. Im laughing to this kind of posts.
Greetings, BeLikewater
  • #27
  • Dec 9, 2010 10:36am Dec 9, 2010 10:36am
Quoting newyear498
I'd still like to know your estimated returns with this method is.. like say you trade 1% of account per trade what is your guess as to return a year.. I saw an example once of a 60% winning system verse a 95% winning system and the system with less wins made more because it aimed for larger returns

and yes I would suggest you get this thing up on the strategy section asap.. I am too shaky to do a hedging system myself and spend hours waiting for it to make 1 pip

I know programing but never done an EA before.. but very interested in it

bottom...
This is pretty weird. Believe me, the non loss systems are very weird, and we have to see the differences. The graphs, the profit factors, the whole system is very different. I know that a lot of people are skeptical, and I respect this. We (I was in a trader team) were working with this system a lot. We don't use any hedge or stop, and had amazing results. I quitted because personal reasons. We had a programmer, and backtested hundreds of different strategies. This was one of them, and I hold it, it wasn't an accident... After this I started to create the hedge, and the BB runner system. (the runner system created by Nanningbob)
We used the strategy on 1MIN chart. We had hundreds of trades, as you can see in the file. The only danger was the drawdown, the ONLY. The avarage DD time was about 6 hour. And if you read the backtest you can see, that we don't have any sticky or balance killer trade, all of the trades closed at profitable price.

About the profit and the lot sizes...

The backtest was created with balance that tolerate about 2000 pip Drawdown. The profit: This is also very weird because it didn't have any loser trade(the EA opened maximum two trade at the time)... so the answer: sum up the pips, in the file : 3946 PIP. The hedge system is good to help to trade with much bigger quantities. And make the profit much bigger.
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  • #28
  • Dec 14, 2010 3:04am Dec 14, 2010 3:04am
Bump!
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  • #29
  • Dec 14, 2010 7:35am Dec 14, 2010 7:35am
As suggested.. post to system section.. bunch of flys on shit theres always 500+ on that area.. and higher probability someone will make an EA if they like your thinking...
  • #30
  • Dec 15, 2010 1:37am Dec 15, 2010 1:37am
Quoting floydian666
This is not only for stopped out by margin. If you close a position at exsample -100 pip, this is a CLOSED LOSS. If you hedge it, you have more chances to close the position at +1 pip
There are many hedging (nedging) threads on this forum. Please read a few of them in order to learn why your thinking is dangerously flawed and your "hedging" (AKA nedging) won't help you in any way and your whole concept of "closed loss" (versus "unrealized" loss) itself is completely wrong.

There exists only one type of loss, namely the one with a minus sign in front of the profit and it does not matter whether you "close" it (book it from one part of your account over to another one), no matter what you do (or not do) the loss is absolutely real and the money won't come back! The money is gone! It is lost!

The only way to get rid of a loss is to trade more profitably from now on until you gained the same amount in profits to compensate your prior losses.

Please read some of the nedging threads to learn these basic concepts. Your hard earned money is in grave danger if you continue trading without understanding these simple facts.
  • #31
  • Dec 15, 2010 1:43am Dec 15, 2010 1:43am
Quoting 7bit
There are many hedging (nedging) threads on this forum. Please read a few of them in order to learn why your thinking is dangerously flawed and your "hedging" (AKA nedging) won't help you in any way and your whole concept of "closed loss" (versus "unrealized" loss) itself is completely wrong.

There exists only one type of loss, namely the one with a minus sign in front of the profit and it does not matter whether you "close" it (book it from one part of your account over to another one), no matter what you do (or not do) the...
oh I w¡sh I could vouche HELPING THA NOOBZZ
Greetings, BeLikewater
  • #32
  • Dec 15, 2010 7:18am Dec 15, 2010 7:18am
Quoting 7bit
There are many hedging (nedging) threads on this forum. Please read a few of them in order to learn why your thinking is dangerously flawed and your "hedging" (AKA nedging) won't help you in any way and your whole concept of "closed loss" (versus "unrealized" loss) itself is completely wrong.

There exists only one type of loss, namely the one with a minus sign in front of the profit and it does not matter whether you "close" it (book it from one part of your account over to another one), no matter what you do (or not do) the...
I respect what you are thinking. I'm not noobie I trade for years, and have real account also, and have profit. I was in a trader school, and the teacher is very very rich superhero trader. He is really cool. I know him personally, he use the hedging with sucess. Sorry, but I dont think, the loss is real and the money is gone. If you trade (of course you do), you know that an open position started in minus, and after this the price going up and down. The position will profitable and/or it can be a loser trade. This is clean. What happened, if you have an open trade for two weeks, and in 10 days you have the loser trade, and than it became profitable? Do you close it in the 10th day and let the loss? if you do, do it. You can have an open position loss, and a closed loss. You can do what you want with the open positions. I know the spreads the other dangerous things of course... but we are talking about something. Only talking.

Thanks
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  • #33
  • Dec 15, 2010 8:26am Dec 15, 2010 8:26am
Quoting floydian666
I respect what you are thinking. I'm not noobie I trade for years, and have real account also, and have profit. I was in a trader school, and the teacher is very very rich superhero trader. He is really cool. I know him personally, he use the hedging with sucess. Sorry, but I dont think, the loss is real and the money is gone. If you trade (of course you do), you know that an open position started in minus, and after this the price going up and down. The position will profitable and/or it can be a loser trade. This is clean. What happened,...
Repeat with me: hedging is for noobs.... is for noobs.... and its a nonsense.

And I do it because i am afraid to confront myself with a loss.

If you think/see market has more chances to go up I buy with SL and TP.

If you think/see market has more chances to down I sell with SL and TP.

PD: Read "Trading in Zone" asap.
Greetings, BeLikewater
  • #34
  • Edited 8:56am Dec 15, 2010 8:39am | Edited 8:56am
Quoting floydian666
Sorry, but I dont think, the loss is real and the money is gone.
Well, If I long EURUSD and it goes down then I have a loss and this loss is very real (you can see it in the account equity how real it is). I have never seen any unreal losses (except on demo maybe).

I don't want to explain the whole sermon here again, there are many threads here in the forum explaining this in great depth. If your great master trader teacher told you that "unrealized losses are not real" then maybe he should go and tell this all the banks who recently failed over their unrealized losses that suddenly entered this reality out of nowhere. They obviously did not come out of nowhere, they just came from under the carpet (which is part of reality too) back into the broad daylight but they have been very real all the time. Otherwise they simply could have been vaporized by a magic spell or otherwise been prevented from entering reality.

The lesson to be learned here is that it does not matter what you think, it only matters what is fact!
  • #35
  • Dec 15, 2010 9:15am Dec 15, 2010 9:15am
Quoting 7bit
Well, If I long EURUSD and it goes down then I have a loss and this loss is very real (you can see it in the account equity how real it is). I have never seen any unreal losses (except on demo maybe).

I don't want to explain the whole sermon here again, there are many threads here in the forum explaining this in great depth. If your great master trader teacher told you that "unrealized losses are not real" then maybe he should go and tell this all the banks who recently failed over their unrealized losses that suddenly...
Or... if you're gonna float em - make sure these 'imaginary' losses are as small as possible just in case they become real. Always trade a plan that keeps the floating losses to an amount you can absorb with generated profits. NEVER let the 'imaginary' have the possibility of blowing the account.
  • #36
  • Dec 15, 2010 9:16am Dec 15, 2010 9:16am
I think we aren't speaking the same thing. I said, the loss is real, but if you don't close you have the chance to close later maybe in plus, not in minus.
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  • #37
  • Dec 15, 2010 9:28am Dec 15, 2010 9:28am
Quoting floydian666
I think we aren't speaking the same thing. I said, the loss is real, but if you don't close you have the chance to close later maybe in plus, not in minus.
If the trade is 100 pips in the minus and you leave it open then you have the following chances:
* lose another 100, making it a total of minus 200
* it moves back 100 pips and you close at BE.

If you close at minus 100 you have the following chances:
* re-open the trade on a fresh signal and lose another 100
* re-open the trade on a fresh signal and win back the 100

As you can see there are no difference profit-wise but much better sleep at night and much more relaxation on weekends with the second method.
  • #38
  • Dec 15, 2010 9:40am Dec 15, 2010 9:40am
Quoting 7bit
If the trade is 100 pips in the minus and you leave it open then you have the following chances:
* lose another 100, making it a total of minus 200
* it moves back 100 pips and you close at BE.

If you close at minus 100 you have the following chances:
* re-open the trade on a fresh signal and lose another 100
* re-open the trade on a fresh signal and win back the 100

As you can see there are no difference profit-wise but much better sleep at night and much more relaxation on weekends with the second method.
And probably a much better signal !
Greetings, BeLikewater
  • #39
  • Dec 15, 2010 9:53am Dec 15, 2010 9:53am
Quoting 7bit
If the trade is 100 pips in the minus and you leave it open then you have the following chances:
* lose another 100, making it a total of minus 200
* it moves back 100 pips and you close at BE.

If you close at minus 100 you have the following chances:
* re-open the trade on a fresh signal and lose another 100
* re-open the trade on a fresh signal and win back the 100

As you can see there are no difference profit-wise but much better sleep at night and much more relaxation on weekends with the second method.
Yeah, so this is why we started to use the hedging system, for freeze the 100 loss. You know what? I will backtest the system, and post the results. Ok? Check the Art Phantom thread, the guys wrote the hedge system code. You can take some questions about the results
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  • #40
  • Dec 15, 2010 10:09am Dec 15, 2010 10:09am
Quoting floydian666
Yeah, so this is why we started to use the hedging system, for freeze the 100 loss.
The proper way to freeze the loss is to close the trade.
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