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  • #181
  • Aug 5, 2008 10:33am Aug 5, 2008 10:33am
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  • #182
  • Aug 5, 2008 1:12pm Aug 5, 2008 1:12pm
Due to personal reasons I will be closing this thread down. As you all know from my posts, this system was not mine and I've never made any claims in that direction. I merely wrote an EA to trade it automatically. The amount of downloads and requests for live versions have been overwhelming and I thank anyone who has contributed here.

For more information about the system please refer to the original thread where forexmoments has been more than generous in sharing his system and coaching. I believe there have been other EAs developed that you may find useful on his thread as well.

AshFX Daily
  • #183
  • Edited 2:05pm Aug 5, 2008 1:30pm | Edited 2:05pm
Quoting mtaboneweb
Due to personal reasons I will be closing this thread down. As you all know from my posts, this system was not mine and I've never made any claims in that direction. I merely wrote an EA to trade it automatically. The amount of downloads and requests for live versions have been overwhelming and I thank anyone who has contributed here.

For more information about the system please refer to the original thread where forexmoments has been more than generous in sharing his system and coaching. I believe there have been other EAs developed that you may find useful on his thread as well.

AshFX Daily
While I respect your right to do what you want with your thread, I'm sure a lot of people will be saddened to hear that you're closing it. I personally never used the EA, but wrote several posts defending your right to keep your source code. I'm still puzzled as to why, but you opened another thread inviting people's opinions on whether you should share your source code, and then seemed hurt and dismayed by the few that felt you should.

The vast majority supported your view, and yet you seemed more concerned with the few who didn't. I'm not sure why you ever asked the question if you didn't want the inevitable answers. That's a shame, because you walk away worse for the experience, and the many who enjoyed your EA are now left wondering why.
Greetings from Guanajuato, Mexico
  • #184
  • Aug 5, 2008 2:14pm Aug 5, 2008 2:14pm
Quoting yen44x
While I respect your right to do what you want with your thread, I'm sure a lot of people will be saddened to hear that you're closing it. I personally never used the EA, but wrote several threads defending your right to keep your source code. I'm still puzzled as to why, but you opened another thread inviting people's opinions on whether you should share your source code, and then seemed hurt and dismayed by the few that felt you should.

The vast majority supported your view, and yet you seemed more concerned with the few who didn't. I'm not sure why you ever asked the question if you didn't want the inevitable answers. That's a shame, because you walk away worse for the experience, and the many who enjoyed your EA are now left wondering why.

Yen, I've always looked forward to your responses and respected them.

The source code poll has left a sour taste in my mouth because of the threats that my source will be decompiled whether I give my permission or not.

Bottom line is, I'm not comfortable with that. If I was then I would have just been posting my source to begin with and none of this would even be a concern. I was looking to jar people into wanting to be active in helping.

You take a look at someone like forexmoments. He's had massive success with his threads and strategies but he's even put some boundaries down. He wont hold your hand for every single trade, come over to your house and place the trades, monitor them, split the orders at the right moment, trail your stops, send you email alerts, and the list goes on and on. I've seen him post on more than one occasion that he wont always be available and wont always say everything he's doing or even why. That is all very understandable and we all appreciate his time.

Now along comes me who takes all the effort out of it by writing an EA to do it all. It's based on his system but it's not the same service. The EA wont take a break or really require you to do anything. It allows people to be completely ignorant to the system. I feel that's worth something. Now before anyone pipes up with anything I didn't say money. I would gladly share the EA with anyone who has helped me like I feel I'm helping. Share your thoughts, post your results, report bugs, share different settings you've tried and what worked and what didn't. Now if you haven't done any of that other than post "Where's the live version?", or PM'd me saying "Gimme, gimme, gimme" then I'm not inclined or required to do any of that in my opinion.

You have to start seeing what I'm saying. I can't post the code anymore because it's open to the world and not just those who I see as being helpful. I pulled the code for all because it brings me back to my comfort area. I wont release the AshFX or PipNailer EAs anymore because they don't belong to me. I have a full right to use them myself because I spent the time to learn the system and coded something to do it for me. It's the same as me doing it myself except I wrote a program to do it without me.

The lines become cloudy very quickly because Ash developed the system and I wrote an EA to trade it. I've asked his opinion on some ideas I had about how to distribute the EA and he was not in full agreement with them although we both understand the opposite sides. He feels since his thread is free it should remain freely discussed and that is his choice and I respect that. Again, he has outlined his involvement and it's limitations. The EA, in my opinion, is quite another matter.

This response is meant to be taken in a general manner and does not directly point to anyone specifically.
  • #185
  • Aug 5, 2008 2:26pm Aug 5, 2008 2:26pm
Well, best wishes to you. Don't let all this make you start smoking again.

I do have one question, and I'm not being sarcastic in any way. I just don't have any knowledge whatsoever of your area of expertise, so let me ask completely naively: Since you've already given your ingenuity and labor away in the form of an EA at no charge, what's the major issue if someone does decompile it? It seems to me you've already given away the recipe, and now if someone wants to alter it, how does that affect you?

As I said, I'm completely ignorant regarding your line of work, but maybe you can "dumb it down" for me and explain why this is such an issue for programmers such as yourself.

Thanks and good luck to you!
Greetings from Guanajuato, Mexico
  • #186
  • Aug 5, 2008 2:38pm Aug 5, 2008 2:38pm
Quoting yen44x
Well, best wishes to you. Don't let all this make you start smoking again.

I do have one question, and I'm not being sarcastic in any way. I just don't have any knowledge whatsoever of your area of expertise, so let me ask completely naively: Since you've already given your ingenuity and labor away in the form of an EA at no charge, what's the major issue if someone does decompile it? It seems to me you've already given away the recipe, and now if someone wants to alter it, how does that affect you?

As I said, I'm completely ignorant regarding your line of work, but maybe you can "dumb it down" for me and explain why this is such an issue for programmers such as yourself.

Thanks and good luck to you!
Since you call it a recipe, lets say you're a cook by profession that creates a dish that everyone likes. Now another cook takes that recipe and changes one or two things and starts serving it at his restaurant. If being a cook was how you made your living wouldn't that upset you even a bit. Especially if you knew those other cooks wouldn't know the first thing about creating their own recipe to begin with. Now they sell it to a major company or somewhere else and you receive nothing for your efforts. All because they paid for a decompiler once again using no effort of their own taking the easiest road they possibly can.

If you were a newspaper journalist and spent time taking pictures, interviewing, writing some major story that was going to earn you some sort of credit and a passing jogger swipes all your work from your hands and now it's his and not yours anymore.

I could go on and on...

I will not post code of any sort on these forums again. Some will say that's harsh but I've seen more than one of my EAs being sold on the net. It's my own fault really, because I've made the same mistake again. I just thought I was a little better protected withholding my source code. As it turns out, that's not the case.
  • #187
  • Aug 5, 2008 2:46pm Aug 5, 2008 2:46pm
Quoting mtaboneweb

I will not post code of any sort on these forums again. Some will say that's harsh but I've seen more than one of my EAs being sold on the net. It's my own fault really, because I've made the same mistake again. I just thought I was a little better protected withholding my source code. As it turns out, that's not the case.
If code protection and integrity is really what you're after, your best option is an EA hosted on your own server, which then sends signals out to other EAs. Effectively, there is one broadcast EA, and many receiver EAs.

The account copier comes to mind. Basically:

  1. Set the signal transmitter on the Investor login of the account
  2. Set the signal receiver on your own account

Let the transmitter communicate trades to the receiver.

I personally will be using this in the automated trading championships. Hopefully the "Better" NN will be working well enough to help me return another 1300%.

  • #188
  • Aug 5, 2008 2:57pm Aug 5, 2008 2:57pm
Quoting mtaboneweb
I will not post code of any sort on these forums again. Some will say that's harsh but I've seen more than one of my EAs being sold on the net. It's my own fault really, because I've made the same mistake again. I just thought I was a little better protected withholding my source code. As it turns out, that's not the case.
People are selling it? Don't they know that it only works on demo accounts?

Your other point - I know an EA that won't work until you put in an activation key generated by the author, you could try that.
  • #189
  • Aug 5, 2008 2:57pm Aug 5, 2008 2:57pm
Quoting Ronald Raygun
If code protection and integrity is really what you're after, your best option is an EA hosted on your own server, which then sends signals out to other EAs. Effectively, there is one broadcast EA, and many receiver EAs.

The account copier comes to mind. Basically:

  1. Set the signal transmitter on the Investor login of the account
  2. Set the signal receiver on your own account

Let the transmitter communicate trades to the receiver.

I personally will be using this in the automated trading championships. Hopefully the "Better" NN will be working well enough to help me return another 1300%.

Thank you Ronald. Although you have not always agreed with me 100%, I've always valued your opinion and appreciate your support. I will look into that above.

Best of luck with your EA and the championship.
  • #190
  • Aug 5, 2008 3:00pm Aug 5, 2008 3:00pm
Quoting lolpie
People are selling it? Don't they know that it only works on demo accounts?
People have sold previous EAs I've either written or participated in.

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Your other point - I know an EA that won't work until you put in an activation key generated by the author, you could try that.


It still leaves you at their mercy by supplying them with the EA in the first place.
  • #191
  • Aug 5, 2008 10:26pm Aug 5, 2008 10:26pm
mtaboneweb

Thanks for your participation. I am sorry to hear you have reached the decisions that you did. I respect your right to do as you wish with your programming skills.
Your EA helped me to see that Ashfx dailly is an excellent system, so I owe you a thanks for that.

  • #192
  • Aug 5, 2008 10:37pm Aug 5, 2008 10:37pm
Quoting andante9
mtaboneweb

Thanks for your participation. I am sorry to hear you have reached the decisions that you did. I respect your right to do as you wish with your programming skills.
Your EA helped me to see that Ashfx dailly is an excellent system, so I owe you a thanks for that.

As it turns out I will be keeping this thread open for a little while longer to post results and discussion and for those who have already downloaded the EA previously.
  • #193
  • Aug 5, 2008 10:44pm Aug 5, 2008 10:44pm
Just for the record .. .

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My demo running the EA has just tipped over the 6000.00 mark.
  • #194
  • Aug 5, 2008 10:47pm Aug 5, 2008 10:47pm
Quoting mtaboneweb
As it turns out I will be keeping this thread open for a little while longer to post results and discussion and for those who have already downloaded the EA previously.

Great!

I am glad to hear this, I will continue to post results as long as I am running your EA.
  • #195
  • Aug 5, 2008 10:52pm Aug 5, 2008 10:52pm
Quoting andante9
Just for the record .. .

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My demo running the EA has just tipped over the 6000.00 mark.
Very nice.
  • #196
  • Aug 5, 2008 10:53pm Aug 5, 2008 10:53pm
Quoting andante9
Great!

I am glad to hear this, I will continue to post results as long as I am running your EA.
Thanks for your support.
  • #197
  • Aug 5, 2008 10:55pm Aug 5, 2008 10:55pm
Here's my history to date on from the latest version of the EA on Daily charts.
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  • #198
  • Aug 5, 2008 10:57pm Aug 5, 2008 10:57pm
Here's my history to date on from the latest version of the EA on 4 hour charts.
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  • #199
  • Aug 5, 2008 11:56pm Aug 5, 2008 11:56pm
Hi!

it happened I started using the ea on August 4. Results are very interesting, +95.64 on closed trades, and currently +92.11 in the open ones.

Indeed I am not using all the pairs available. From today I plan to use it on another account, with different settings.

Keep up the good job: it needs anyway time to be tested adequately.
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  • #200
  • Aug 6, 2008 1:21am Aug 6, 2008 1:21am
Quoting mtaboneweb
As it turns out I will be keeping this thread open for a little while longer to post results and discussion and for those who have already downloaded the EA previously.
Nice to hear! Your work is highly appreciated.

I am a programmer too (C++), and have also released a lot of free work over the years. I did a patch which makes Skies Of Arcadia on PC Dreamcast emulation work properly, and also No CD cracks for early versions of the game Sacred. Even though what I released was helpful and working, lots of people just wanted more all the time or complain or ask the same questions forever so I lose heart (interest) and left those threads. Sometimes people don't understand (or don't want to understand) that programming/testing/debugging these things take a huge amount of time.

Lately I have been working on a set of 15 TV3D game programming tutorials, but I continue those because the community support is great. I think this is mostly due to the community being composed of programmers who appreciate the time taken.

IMHO, a free ea is always going to be better than no ea. Just ignore those few who complain, and concentrate on those who support your efforts.
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