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  • #481
  • Mar 30, 2008 10:52am Mar 30, 2008 10:52am
i would also suggest that people write his Pastor at Agape Faith Church in Winston Salem, NC and let him know what Jason has been doing in the "dark". Jason professes to be a Christian but I just dont see it.
  • #482
  • Mar 30, 2008 10:55am Mar 30, 2008 10:55am
Quoting timewilltell
the problem is i dont think Jason thinks he has a ego or a problem. i honestly believe he thinks he has done nothing wrong. he has been doing this for so long i am surre he thinks he is the victim. i feel sorry for all the noobs that will continue to follow him.

Personality traits of a SOCIOPATH
Let's see how many fit our "hero" (ignoring the sexual ones of course).



PERSONALITY TRAITS:


1. SUPERFICIAL CHARM -- the tendency to be smooth, engaging, charming, and slick. Not in the least shy, self-conscious, or afraid to say anything. He never gets tongue-tied and has freed himself from the social conventions about taking turns in talking, for example.

2. GRANDIOSE SELF-WORTH -- a grossly inflated view of one's abilities and self-worth, self-assured, opinionated, cocky, a braggart. An arrogant guy who believes he is a superior human being.

3. NEED FOR STIMULATION (PRONENESS TO BOREDOM) -- an excessive need for novel, thrilling, and exciting stimulation; taking chances and doing things that are risky. Often has low self-discipline in carrying tasks through to completion because he gets bored easily.

4. PATHOLOGICAL LYING -- can be moderate or high; in moderate form, and will be shrewd, crafty, cunning, sly, and clever (in extreme form, he will be deceptive, deceitful, underhanded, unscrupulous, manipulative, and dishonest).

5. CONNING AND MANIPULATIVENESS -- the use of deceit and deception to cheat, con, or defraud others for personal gain; distinguished from Item #4 in the degree to which exploitation and callous ruthlessness is present, as reflected in a lack of concern for the feelings and suffering of one's victims.

6. LACK OF REMORSE OR GUILT -- a lack of feelings or concern for the losses, pain, and suffering of victims; a tendency to be unconcerned, dispassionate, coldhearted, and unempathic. This item is usually demonstrated by a disdain for one's victims.

7. SHALLOW AFFECT -- emotional poverty or a limited range or depth of feelings; interpersonal coldness in spite of signs of open gregariousness.

8. CALLOUSNESS and LACK OF EMPATHY -- a lack of feelings toward people in general; cold, contemptuous, inconsiderate, and tactless.

9. PARASITIC LIFESTYLE -- an intentional, manipulative, selfish, and exploitative financial dependence on others as reflected in a lack of motivation, low self-discipline, and inability to begin or complete responsibilities.

10. POOR BEHAVIORAL CONTROLS -- expressions of irritability, annoyance, impatience, threats, aggression, and verbal abuse; inadequate control of anger and temper; acting hastily.

11. PROMISCUOUS SEXUAL BEHAVIOR -- a variety of brief, superficial relations, numerous affairs, and an indiscriminate selection of sexual partners; the maintenance of several relationships at the same time; a history of attempts to sexually coerce others into sexual activity or taking great pride at discussing sexual exploits or conquests.

12. LACK OF REALISTIC, LONG-TERM GOALS -- an inability or persistent failure to develop and execute long-term plans and goals; a nomadic existence, aimless, lacking direction in life.

13. IMPULSIVITY -- the occurrence of behaviors that are unpremeditated and lack reflection or planning; inability to resist temptation, frustrations, and urges; a lack of deliberation without considering the consequences; foolhardy, rash, unpredictable, erratic, and reckless.

14. IRRESPONSIBILITY -- repeated failure to fulfill or honor obligations and commitments; such as not paying bills, defaulting on loans, performing sloppy work, being absent or late to work, failing to honor contractual agreements.

15. FAILURE TO ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY FOR OWN ACTIONS -- a failure to accept responsibility for one's actions reflected in low conscientiousness, an absence of dutifulness, antagonistic manipulation, denial of responsibility, and an effort to manipulate others through this denial.

16. MANY SHORT-TERM RELATIONSHIPS -- a lack of commitment to a long-term relationship reflected in inconsistent, undependable, and unreliable commitments in life, including marital.

17. JUVENILE DELINQUENCY -- behavior problems between the ages of 13-18; mostly behaviors that are crimes or clearly involve aspects of antagonism, exploitation, aggression, manipulation, or a callous, ruthless tough-mindedness.

18. CRIMINAL VERSATILITY -- A diversity of types of criminal offenses (regardless if the person has been arrested or convicted for them); taking great pride at getting away with crimes.
  • #483
  • Mar 30, 2008 10:57am Mar 30, 2008 10:57am
Wow Lazy! You Might Be Right. Email That To Him!
  • #484
  • Mar 30, 2008 10:58am Mar 30, 2008 10:58am
Quoting timewilltell
i c u r back in pipchick. just get another email address and sign in under another moniker and give us your side. thats all i am asking.
I have gotten to know Jane aka pipchick and i've talked to her behind the scenes. Believe me, she's not part of Jason's business. Will she come out why she left? that's up to her to tell, when she's not banned. Was it because of the chat? get real. when it bothered her, she did just that, minimized it.

So let's focus on Jason since he's proudly announced that it's HIS business, he's the sole owner of it. all others involved were employees, nothing more.

i for one am glad she's out of there and can focus on just trading well. it'll be interesting what Jason says tonight. i won't be around to hear it. it should be interesting.

I think if Jason wants to salvage anything from this, he should close the room, and start fresh down the road. right now there's just too much negativity about him. i don't know why anyone would get involved with him right now in a business venture. i'm speaking about hosea in particular. he's read these posts, people have emailed him. i don't get it
  • #485
  • Mar 30, 2008 11:01am Mar 30, 2008 11:01am
Quoting timewilltell
Wow Lazy! You Might Be Right. Email That To Him!

No need for e-mail. I'm sure he has been lurking hera nd if not his cronies will let him know about it
  • #486
  • Mar 30, 2008 11:08am Mar 30, 2008 11:08am
Quoting pipette4x
I have gotten to know Jane aka pipchick and i've talked to her behind the scenes. Believe me, she's not part of Jason's business. Will she come out why she left? that's up to her to tell, when she's not banned. Was it because of the chat? get real. when it bothered her, she did just that, minimized it.

So let's focus on Jason since he's proudly announced that it's HIS business, he's the sole owner of it. all others involved were employees, nothing more.

i for one am glad she's out of there and can focus on just trading well. it'll be interesting what Jason says tonight. i won't be around to hear it. it should be interesting.

I think if Jason wants to salvage anything from this, he should close the room, and start fresh down the road. right now there's just too much negativity about him. i don't know why anyone would get involved with him right now in a business venture. i'm speaking about hosea in particular. he's read these posts, people have emailed him. i don't get it
pipette,

trust me, i was one of pipchick's biggest supporters and was very glad to hear that she was coming to their team, but remember she was loudly professing how great Jason was. what are we to do, just forget she ever supported him? dont think i can do that w/o an explanation. dont get me wrong, she owes me nothing but i think the people that trusted her are owed an explanation, thats all.
  • #487
  • Edited 12:39pm Mar 30, 2008 11:34am | Edited 12:39pm
Quoting brok
I actually have faith in Kinn and believe him. It is just because I have known him from the start of Aus' thread. What is more you can read anyone's posts in a day or two but you have to follow him by reading between the lines to get his approach and intentions. For about a few months earlier- August 2007, I had pmed him about using part of his trading style and developing an ea and giving the experts name after him. He then told me that it would be okay to open a thread and use any name I want and he would not be bothered but that he was really busy with trading and making enough pips allready. He also said he would be glad to help whenever he found time. You have to differ the healthy apples from the rotten mate...

What is more, most of us only subscribed to follow Kinn's trades. I actually am happy to see his calls in his new room. If you cant figure out people's intention then just stay away.


Note: Integrity is not such a thing that moves up and down like the market. You either have it or you don't have it.
Brok,
What was it exactly you were following about Kinn??
Is it because, he was showing his childish ego when he grabbed 25pips out of a 200 pip move? May be those fake 1000-2000 pips he posted weekly on his journal, when they were real pips X postions ??? or may be because he pocketed over $50000 from this scam??? Let me think,hmmm..How about this , May be because he managed to collect 400 memebers from Auslanco thread and charged that ridiculous $325 per month from the newbies, Or is it because Kinn/Jason duo robbed and profited from the efforts of Auslanco,Karmo,M2B,Zoran and Markam . Or at what point did Kinn say, he will return his share of the profits back to the subscribers??? Now how about that for Intergrity.

Brok, I was shocked to hear, you were a mebmber of PS. I thought you were better than that. I was wrong. I dont know whats your releationship with Kinn. But Shame on you my friend.
  • #488
  • Mar 30, 2008 11:39am Mar 30, 2008 11:39am
Quoting timewilltell
pipette,

trust me, i was one of pipchick's biggest supporters and was very glad to hear that she was coming to their team, but remember she was loudly professing how great Jason was. what are we to do, just forget she ever supported him? dont think i can do that w/o an explanation. dont get me wrong, she owes me nothing but i think the people that trusted her are owed an explanation, thats all.
well many of us bought into how great Jason was and believed what he said, but we all saw the reality when he banned kinn. i tend to think that he wasn't that good a trader but talked a good talk when he was paired with Kinn. what has he done on his own? hmmm, i wonder if others came to this realization.

need i say more? And remember she was an employee who left because she wasn't happy working there anymore

She's a good trader and that's what everyone needs to focus on. again many of us were taken in by his smooth talking and fell for his abilities
  • #489
  • Edited 12:10pm Mar 30, 2008 11:45am | Edited 12:10pm
Think logically, If Kinn was so succesful with his trading howcome he was never a fulltime trader.. Why couldnt he leave his fulltime dentist job and trade forex for a living. Where is his trading track record on a actual statement???

In Kinn's own words.. God bless ya'll
  • #490
  • Mar 30, 2008 11:49am Mar 30, 2008 11:49am
Quoting Spanishfly
Guys think logically, If Kinn was so succesful in his trading howcome he wasn't a fulltime trader.. Why couldnt he leave his fulltime dentist job and trade forex for a living. Where is his trading track record on a actual statement???

In Kinn's words.. God bless ya'll
we can say the same about jason too. but they did do decent their free months so we bought into the hype. the rest is history!
  • #491
  • Mar 30, 2008 11:55am Mar 30, 2008 11:55am
Here's yet another link to file a complaint (doesn't matter what country you're in). Only complete the complaint form if you are one of the 500 or so that was actually scammed.


http://www.econsumer.gov/english/index.html


(again, I wasn't scammed by the scamming sniper posse) Those that were scammed I hope you get your money back.
  • #492
  • Mar 30, 2008 11:57am Mar 30, 2008 11:57am
keep in mind people, what can she say that we don't already know about jason. she's an employee who quit, she can't gossip about what was said/done behind the scenes. she could get into alot of trouble for that since it's a public forum. Like many of us, she wants to move on from this experience, distance herself and go back to what she does well, trade!
  • #493
  • Mar 30, 2008 12:04pm Mar 30, 2008 12:04pm
Quoting pipette4x
well many of us bought into how great Jason was and believed what he said, but we all saw the reality when he banned kinn. i tend to think that he wasn't that good a trader but talked a good talk when he was paired with Kinn. what has he done on his own? hmmm, i wonder if others came to this realization.

need i say more? And remember she was an employee who left because she wasn't happy working there anymore

She's a good trader and that's what everyone needs to focus on. again many of us were taken in by his smooth talking and fell for his abilities
I think the point is that Jane 100% backed Jasons decission to get rid of Kinn, actually she said basically she resigned because of Kinn originally and then changed her mind after Kinn was taken out. This is something Jason could not have talked her into, since she's been there the whole time watching them make calls, she would have noticed that Jason was not making any of the calls and figured out that he is just a con.
there are only two choices. 1. she knew that Jason could not trade on his own, and went along with the scam. or 2. she stuck around because she knew that Jason is a good trader and was just effected by all of the issues.
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  • #494
  • Mar 30, 2008 12:05pm Mar 30, 2008 12:05pm
Quoting pipette4x
we can say the same about jason too. but they did do decent their free months so we bought into the hype. the rest is history!
Jason is a scumbag , there are no two words about it. Those two months they did extremely well when the market was trending with less volatality due to the holiday season. When the market started ranging things didnt do too well. Dont forget who called for those loosing GBP/JPY and Eur/JPY trades.
Losses are part of trading. We all agree with that. But good , experienced traders know how to keep their heads up when the things go wrong.

In this case it didnt happen, because none of the mods were experienced in the PS clan (maybe except pipchick)
Jason is a proffessional scammer not a trader.
Kinn is a enthusiastic young trader who knows thing or two about trading .
  • #495
  • Mar 30, 2008 12:13pm Mar 30, 2008 12:13pm
Quoting startingover
I think the point is that Jane 100% backed Jasons decission to get rid of Kinn, actually she said basically she resigned because of Kinn originally and then changed her mind after Kinn was taken out. This is something Jason could not have talked her into, since she's been there the whole time watching them make calls, she would have noticed that Jason was not making any of the calls and figured out that he is just a con.
there are only two choices. 1. she knew that Jason could not trade on his own, and went along with the scam. or 2. she stuck around because she knew that Jason is a good trader and was just effected by all of the issues.
Yes i heard that evening and it sounds like Kinn was a handful to deal with. Isn't it possible that someone took advantage of the situation to further get support. But after the dust settled from Kinn, and that excuse was taken away, what did we all witness?

hypothetically if someone's a jerk, then it's easy to be convinced that they were to blame for other things too that maybe they werent? I dont believe that once Kinn was banned that she ever talked to him again so what was her source of information????? hmmm

remember what he wrote on friday about not wanting to hear anything negative about them? isn't that a form of manipulation. i read between those lines and it's as if that was written so people would feel sorry for him, take pity on him for being abandoned. anyways, that was my take on that

some people just have a gift with the words and they aren't always used for the good

Again, our frustrations, complaints should be towards Jason. i'd leave the mods out. they were employees who felt it best to quit their jobs
  • #496
  • Mar 30, 2008 12:49pm Mar 30, 2008 12:49pm
Quoting pipette4x
Yes i heard that evening and it sounds like Kinn was a handful to deal with. Isn't it possible that someone took advantage of the situation to further get support. But after the dust settled from Kinn, and that excuse was taken away, what did we all witness?

hypothetically if someone's a jerk, then it's easy to be convinced that they were to blame for other things too that maybe they werent? I dont believe that once Kinn was banned that she ever talked to him again so what was her source of information????? hmmm

remember what he wrote on friday about not wanting to hear anything negative about them? isn't that a form of manipulation. i read between those lines and it's as if that was written so people would feel sorry for him, take pity on him for being abandoned. anyways, that was my take on that

some people just have a gift with the words and they aren't always used for the good

Again, our frustrations, complaints should be towards Jason. i'd leave the mods out. they were employees who felt it best to quit their jobs

Here is the thing, I believe Jane to be one of us, the general good, honest average folks trying to improve our trading. considering all we have seen here and elsewhere is really only emotions and opinions.
However, Jane is in a very unique position to give everybody the first hand facts: did we get caught in a scam or just involved in a service that failed because the principals in the company tripped over their own egos.
Simply speaking, Jane can save lots of people from losing even more money and getting caught up in the nasty underbelly of forex, if Jason is in fact (not assumtion) a scammer.
This is one of those rare black or white moments in life.
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  • #497
  • Edited 1:04pm Mar 30, 2008 12:52pm | Edited 1:04pm
Quoting Spanishfly
Brok,
What was it exactly you were following about Kinn??
Is it because, he was showing his childish ego when he grabbed 25pips out of a 200 pip move? May be those fake 1000-2000 pips he posted weekly on his journal, when they were real pips X postions ??? or may be because he pocketed over $50000 from this scam??? Let me think,hmmm..How about this , May be because he managed to collect 400 memebers from Auslanco thread and charged that ridiculous $325 per month from the newbies, Or is it because Kinn/Jason duo robbed and profited from the efforts of Auslanco,Karmo,M2B,Zoran and Markam . Now how about that for Intergrity.

Brok, I was shocked to hear, you were a mebmber of PS. I thought you were better than that. I was wrong. I dont know whats your releationship with Kinn. But Shame on you my friend.
Spanishfly,

I know you are following alike strategies with Aus. You may have different approaches on how to be profitable in the fx market than me. I just dont feel anything wrong with Kinn's strategy. You may be not get used to trading with that style and it can be a different way of trading to you. And it is understandable. (Getting in and out in a trade several times with a smaller profit rather than riding it all along) Also as I mentioned before this was my first experience in a paid room in my 6 years of trading. And it was just because to see Kinn's trades. I was not interested in Jason's or Kate's trades. You could easily follow your strategies and watch for Kinn's trades. What is wrong about that? I am not here to defend anyone but is it Kinn's problem that Jason being in wrong attitude and the wrong partner? All I say is that I know Kinn from ff and like his way of trading....

Well dear my friend, I don't know if this is the right place to post therefore I wont discuss it here but maybe you have realised I haven't been in Aus thread and room for a very long time. I appreciate Aus being cautious with being a partner to someone like Jason but when it comes to trading with different strategies we may have a lot discuss. Therefore I respect yours and others point of view in trading.

And I will be watching Kinn's calls whether he goes on with his journal or his own room. But it is obvious that it is not suitable for you....
  • #498
  • Mar 30, 2008 12:58pm Mar 30, 2008 12:58pm
Quoting pipette4x
we can say the same about jason too. but they did do decent their free months so we bought into the hype. the rest is history!
It was hard for anybody NOT to make money in January and February due to the thin pro Christmas Markets and good trending of GBP/JPY.
  • #499
  • Mar 30, 2008 1:53pm Mar 30, 2008 1:53pm
Quoting pipette4x
Yes i heard that evening and it sounds like Kinn was a handful to deal with. Isn't it possible that someone took advantage of the situation to further get support. But after the dust settled from Kinn, and that excuse was taken away, what did we all witness?

hypothetically if someone's a jerk, then it's easy to be convinced that they were to blame for other things too that maybe they werent? I dont believe that once Kinn was banned that she ever talked to him again so what was her source of information????? hmmm

remember what he wrote on friday about not wanting to hear anything negative about them? isn't that a form of manipulation. i read between those lines and it's as if that was written so people would feel sorry for him, take pity on him for being abandoned. anyways, that was my take on that

some people just have a gift with the words and they aren't always used for the good

Again, our frustrations, complaints should be towards Jason. i'd leave the mods out. they were employees who felt it best to quit their jobs
I appreciate your loyalty to a friend but I totally disagree with your position here.
The fact is a lot of people from FF signed up with Pipsnipers bacause of Hakuna's as well as PipChick's (Kate's aka Jane)
reputation established here over the years. I personally doubt Hakuna's fame is justified and have no knowledge of PipChick's
trading prowess. I repeat, by getting onboard early during the free period Jane has added a lot of credibility to this venture and caused a lot of people to sign up.
Afterwards she was getting paid for her services from the money collected . Therefore she is actually an accomplice because she benefitted from those ill gotten gains.
I repeat, if she want's to re-establish her credibility here and salvage the remainder of her reputation she OWES the explanation to FF members, especially the PS victims.
Forex Factory is where this all began and this is the place for a full disclosure. Doing it behind the closed doors, thru private phone calls and e-mails is not going to cut it.
  • #500
  • Mar 30, 2008 2:00pm Mar 30, 2008 2:00pm
Quoting Spanishfly
Brok,
What was it exactly you were following about Kinn??
Is it because, he was showing his childish ego when he grabbed 25pips out of a 200 pip move? May be those fake 1000-2000 pips he posted weekly on his journal, when they were real pips X postions ??? or may be because he pocketed over $50000 from this scam??? Let me think,hmmm..How about this , May be because he managed to collect 400 memebers from Auslanco thread and charged that ridiculous $325 per month from the newbies, Or is it because Kinn/Jason duo robbed and profited from the efforts of Auslanco,Karmo,M2B,Zoran and Markam . Or at what point did Kinn say, he will return his share of the profits back to the subscribers??? Now how about that for Intergrity.

Brok, I was shocked to hear, you were a mebmber of PS. I thought you were better than that. I was wrong. I dont know whats your releationship with Kinn. But Shame on you my friend.
... calling a spade a spade and exposing those false prophets is the only right position here.
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