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  • #41,281
  • Aug 27, 2024 5:20am Aug 27, 2024 5:20am
Quoting Expo33
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LMAO
  • #41,282
  • Aug 27, 2024 5:47am Aug 27, 2024 5:47am
I do not like darwinex, it is not a secret. I like their statistics though very interesting and valuable. I do think there is a more viable option for this type model that has same effect but different reward where the flow can have some values.

The thing that gripes me about darwinex the most is those days where you trade yourself out of a ditch seem to be punished a bit in the algorithm. In one hand it makes some sense in other hand it punishes. Without the full formulas being public its hard to completely take the guess work out of the reward.

I wonder how long someone like IC or oanda does a model like this with the statistically requirements but on a model of higher reward.
  • #41,283
  • Aug 27, 2024 6:00am Aug 27, 2024 6:00am
Quoting Takisd
I do not like darwinex, it is not a secret. I like their statistics though very interesting and valuable. I do think there is a more viable option for this type model that has same effect but different reward where the flow can have some values. The thing that gripes me about darwinex the most is those days where you trade yourself out of a ditch seem to be punished a bit in the algorithm. In one hand it makes some sense in other hand it punishes. Without the full formulas being public its hard to completely take the guess work out of the reward....
I love the Darwinex model, perhaps only because it is a perfect fit for me.
I'd be open to a model of higher reward. However, we are then again talking about a model with no real capital in the end game. If talking real investors, 20% is standard and Darwinex pays 75% of that (15%) to us.
Personally, I don't care if there is real capital, which is why I use the futures props....... but I do care for a sustainable model and the real capital with a regulated broker is certainly more sustainable than anything I/we have seen/used in this space.
Of course, the next big question, if such a model did exist, would the USA be allowed?
  • #41,284
  • Aug 27, 2024 6:08am Aug 27, 2024 6:08am
Quoting Takisd
{quote} is it 8cap one?
no idea..
  • #41,285
  • Aug 27, 2024 6:25am Aug 27, 2024 6:25am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} I love the Darwinex model, perhaps only because it is a perfect fit for me. I'd be open to a model of higher reward. However, we are then again talking about a model with no real capital in the end game. If talking real investors, 20% is standard and Darwinex pays 75% of that (15%) to us. Personally, I don't care if there is real capital, which is why I use the futures props....... but I do care for a sustainable model and the real capital with a regulated broker is certainly more sustainable than anything I/we have seen/used in this space....
Yes, I think my gripe of darwinex is just my own style but I do get it. I think its very smart and advanced but I am old and my habits are my habits.
  • #41,286
  • Aug 27, 2024 6:28am Aug 27, 2024 6:28am
Quoting Takisd
The thing that gripes me about darwinex the most is those days where you trade yourself out of a ditch seem to be punished a bit in the algorithm. In one hand it makes some sense in other hand it punishes.
//-----

funny how people see the same thing differently..... to you it is a gripe and to me it is something to be thankful for.....

i don't see at all as punishment...... to me, it is them lending me a helping hand to avoid the ditch in the first place ....... and more importantly in the future......

the more they clamp down, the better i will become......h
to trade and code, keep both simple... no call to impress....h
  • #41,287
  • Aug 27, 2024 6:29am Aug 27, 2024 6:29am
Quoting hayseed
{quote} //----- funny how people see the same thing differently..... to you it is a gripe and to me it is something to be thankful for..... i don't see at all as punishment...... to me, it is them lending me a helping hand to avoid the ditch in the first place ....... and more importantly in the future...... the more they clamp down, the better i will become......h
yes yes its is because i trade out of a position regularly on my own account. But same time I dont want investors so conformity and all that.
  • #41,288
  • Aug 27, 2024 6:45am Aug 27, 2024 6:45am
Quoting Takisd
{quote} yes yes its is because i trade out of a position regularly on my own account. But same time I dont want investors so conformity and all that.
Yes, I get it, I do the same. Going back to the early MFF days, not sure if you remember how low risk I trade. Trading 1-2 minis on a 1,000,000 signal account allows me to dig out with ease and not be punished. They are actually multiplying my trades by 1.34. Of course, I am making peanuts currently, but that's where the futures props come in.....prevents me from having to withdrawal from my personal amp futures account.
My goal with Darwinex is 2.5% monthly, they show my annualized to be around 49-50%...should (hopefully) attract plenty of AUM and 2.5% should pay me plenty with very little risk or stress.....that's the goal 'cause I'm kinda old too lol.
  • #41,289
  • Aug 27, 2024 6:48am Aug 27, 2024 6:48am
Looks like another rotation day....tech into DOW again.
or......maybe not lol
  • #41,290
  • Aug 27, 2024 7:09am Aug 27, 2024 7:09am
Yes, darwin model is excellent risk wizze
It gives you discipline. Thats the only +, which is big. I like it too.

Sadly their payout model at the end gives you only a banana.
  • #41,291
  • Aug 27, 2024 7:27am Aug 27, 2024 7:27am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} Yes, I get it, I do the same. Going back to the early MFF days, not sure if you remember how low risk I trade. Trading 1-2 minis on a 1,000,000 signal account allows me to dig out with ease and not be punished. They are actually multiplying my trades by 1.34. Of course, I am making peanuts currently, but that's where the futures props come in.....prevents me from having to withdrawal from my personal amp futures account. My goal with Darwinex is 2.5% monthly, they show my annualized to be around 49-50%...should (hopefully) attract plenty...
I have futures prop, i have ftmo and 5ers. I stopped volatile products and only trading eurusd and tbills now. Darwinex i look at it and i keep trying to fit myself into it to participate but i cannot. The platform and the way it measures things is amazing but i am excluded which is fine i dont feel entitlement to it.
  • #41,292
  • Aug 27, 2024 7:34am Aug 27, 2024 7:34am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} I love the Darwinex model, perhaps only because it is a perfect fit for me. I'd be open to a model of higher reward. However, we are then again talking about a model with no real capital in the end game. If talking real investors, 20% is standard and Darwinex pays 75% of that (15%) to us. Personally, I don't care if there is real capital, which is why I use the futures props....... but I do care for a sustainable model and the real capital with a regulated broker is certainly more sustainable than anything I/we have seen/used in this space....
20% for hedge funds overall. But any trader in such a fund gets at least 50% that is the minimum and standard rate for any trader. It can go to 80% too depending.
50% is the lowest minimum for any trader based on Highwatermark, you can see yourself on jobsearchdigest hedge fund section or the free efinancialcareers(.com).
  • #41,293
  • Aug 27, 2024 7:40am Aug 27, 2024 7:40am
15% profit split from Darwinex feels like fraud and it is. You as a trader get ranked and you have all the work. And the investor gets a huge chunk of nearly all profits ? How fair is that ?! Totally unfair in my opinion and also not industry standard. Hedge funds are using leverage and no consistent profitable trader gets less than 50%.
  • #41,294
  • Aug 27, 2024 8:06am Aug 27, 2024 8:06am
Quoting TrAndy1
{quote} 20% for hedge funds overall. But any trader in such a fund gets at least 50% that is the minimum and standard rate for any trader. It can go to 80% too depending. 50% is the lowest minimum for any trader based on Highwatermark, you can see yourself on jobsearchdigest hedge fund section or the free efinancialcareers(.com).
Right, so Darwinex is paying the trader 75% of the 20% they charge the investor.
  • #41,295
  • Aug 27, 2024 8:07am Aug 27, 2024 8:07am
Quoting TrAndy1
15% profit split from Darwinex feels like fraud and it is. You as a trader get ranked and you have all the work. And the investor gets a huge chunk of nearly all profits ? How fair is that ?! Totally unfair in my opinion and also not industry standard. Hedge funds are using leverage and no consistent profitable trader gets less than 50%.
You're saying the investor (who has all the risk) should get less than 80%?????
  • #41,296
  • Aug 27, 2024 8:08am Aug 27, 2024 8:08am
Anyone else feel that some days this thread just makes your brain hurt?
  • #41,297
  • Aug 27, 2024 8:09am Aug 27, 2024 8:09am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} Right, so Darwinex is paying the trader 75% of the 20% they charge the investor.
You are still way underpaid. Not even a serious salary in any case for this kind of work you need to do also the quality of work you need to deliver. If cannot make at least 6 digits per year it is not a salary, it is trading game for fun. Trading for demo purposes. Longterm you should be able to make also 7 figures per year as trader. What you get as Darwinex is not even kind of compensation. It is just fraud I wanted to say. If you deliver that kind of high quality of trading you deserve MUCH MORE.
  • #41,298
  • Aug 27, 2024 8:13am Aug 27, 2024 8:13am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} You're saying the investor (who has all the risk) should get less than 80%?????
No, but how they handle it, is not fair. I know from my treaty I had with my former hedge fund. That compensation was as much as 70% based on Highwatermark. I do not know how they leverage and handle it all internally, as I never was a Hedge fund MANAGER, only a trader. But anything below 50% is not industry standard as I know this also from my former application on that kind of jobs in year 2022. I don't look for any paid jobs anymore, only trading myself, but I certainly know these facts.
  • #41,299
  • Aug 27, 2024 8:17am Aug 27, 2024 8:17am
Quoting pipmaster77
Anyone else feel that some days this thread just makes your brain hurt?
the best medicine for your brain is the ignore button…
  • #41,300
  • Aug 27, 2024 8:20am Aug 27, 2024 8:20am
karl left us, Trany appears. Karl changed his location now he is wearing clogs. Our community is very interesting in its characters.
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