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  • #1
  • First Post: Aug 16, 2024 3:35am Aug 16, 2024 3:35am
Hi guys
Is there anyone want to study and test some good way to make a grid works and make profit?
I made a lot of test, and actually im trying to use a mix between a anti-martingale(when in profit) and an averaging down(when in loss).
The main point that make everything possible is the use of the breakeven and trailing stop in both the situations.

This charts shows a grid formed by all buy position taken with pending buy stop.
In this case everytime price goes up i buy with more lots(anti-martingale)
Position are obviously close only in profit (trailing stop) or break even , both of that are calculated on the buy average price.
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  • #2
  • Aug 16, 2024 3:36am Aug 16, 2024 3:36am
This charts show a grid formed buy sell limit position
In this case everytime goes against me i place other sell limit with more lots( averaging with progression ).
Position are obviously close only in profit( trailing stop) or break even , both of that are calculated on the sell average price.
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  • #3
  • Aug 16, 2024 3:36am Aug 16, 2024 3:36am
What if i try to mix both of that?



In the next posts i will explain better the concept of breakeven , cause it is the more important thing of this system.
  • #4
  • Aug 16, 2024 4:40am Aug 16, 2024 4:40am
Grid and martingale: what are they and how to use them?

https://www.mql5.com/en/articles/839...ce=mt4terminal
Honesty is a very expensive gift. You wont find it in cheap people.WBuffett
  • #5
  • Aug 17, 2024 3:47am Aug 17, 2024 3:47am
Quoting emmanuel7788
Grid and martingale: what are they and how to use them? https://www.mql5.com/en/articles/839...ce=mt4terminal

Hi Emmanuel7788
I read some of your posts in the monty hall problem's thread of Mingary.

It seems that there was found a little solution to the consecutives losses produced by the martingale or a progression , it was called such as a safetly valve.
Anyway due to my bad english i didn't understand what it he's refering.
Can you tell me something more about it?
  • #6
  • Aug 17, 2024 3:52am Aug 17, 2024 3:52am
Problem is that at a certain point you will have risked so much only to take a little part or to turn to breakeven.

My idea is , after a big martingale progression, when price come to profit, i would set breakeven and trail the profit, also using big lots from martingale.
I say, high risk , high profit , while in the classic martingale high risk is equal to small profit.
  • #7
  • Aug 18, 2024 5:25pm Aug 18, 2024 5:25pm
Quoting Gurudeva
{quote} Hi Emmanuel7788 I read some of your posts in the monty hall problem's thread of Mingary. It seems that there was found a little solution to the consecutives losses produced by the martingale or a progression , it was called such as a safetly valve. Anyway due to my bad english i didn't understand what it he's refering. Can you tell me something more about it?

Mingary's post #3,

he can be quite cryptic,

Quoting Mingary
A random walk with constraints through a price time series The constraints are imposed by the current price series condition. As in the Monty Hall problem, we switch door until we find "the jack pot". There is a cost to switching doors. The similarity with a martingale stops here. Most Martingale strategies have a constant win and almost unlimited draw down (big risk, small profit) {image} 1300 lines of code just to do this... I need a break.
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the Monty Hall has only 3 doors and there is no Martingale in that game.
Only one door opens to the jackpot winner.

Read my post #8 and #9,




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Honesty is a very expensive gift. You wont find it in cheap people.WBuffett
  • #8
  • Aug 19, 2024 3:48am Aug 19, 2024 3:48am
Quoting emmanuel7788
{quote} Mingary's post #3, he can be quite cryptic, {quote} {image} the Monty Hall has only 3 doors and there is no Martingale in that game. Only one door opens to the jackpot winner. Read my post #8 and #9, ...

I read so many times this posts but really this doesn't help to understand the solution.

What is the reason to be so cryptic? Do you want or dont you want to share?

What i understood is to set limit orders when price go against us, and averaging down.
That's similar to martingale cause at the end it will crash the balance.

So what is the safety release valve? it's a way to close some order when you're in loss?In which order? It's to stop averaging?
Can you answer or still will you answer with some metaphor?

I trade in the forex ( but not with grid) by over than 20 years, but i dont have nothing to hide and i'm always open to share.
  • #9
  • Aug 19, 2024 3:52am Aug 19, 2024 3:52am
Quoting emmanuel7788
{quote} Mingary's post #3, he can be quite cryptic, {quote} {image} the Monty Hall has only 3 doors and there is no Martingale in that game. Only one door opens to the jackpot winner. Read my post #8 and #9, ...

In this post you say there's no Martingale.

But in the post you liked you say

"Your analogy using the safety valve release is excellent. But in trading we need to give this baby a proper name. Use this safety valve as pre-set condition when the 'martingale averaging down' has reached a limit defined by the trader and that safety valve will be activated along with the price-time series."

So you use the safety valve when martingale averaging down has reaced a limit.

So do you use or not martingale?

All of this produce only more confusion.
  • #10
  • Aug 19, 2024 3:55am Aug 19, 2024 3:55am
My opinion is that safety valve release want to mean that when you're averaging down using some progression or a martingale for the lots size and you reached a limit of order opened you must to stop and start to close in loss the firsts order you made.

But this doesn't resolve for nothing the problem.
  • #11
  • Aug 26, 2024 4:03am Aug 26, 2024 4:03am
This is my interpretation to this threath.
Entry with a random price(in this case a sell position, see the image) to discover first door( direction)
If first trade go in gain for X pips we set breakeven waiting/hoping for the jackpot.
If first position go against us stop it and reverse , so we buy (see the image) in this case or we close to breakeven or wait to gain some pips.
If second position go wrong we stop and reverse again (maybe multiply lot size) , in this case we search breakeven.

In this case you will produce the same equity of Mingary in the first posts.
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  • #12
  • Last Post: Aug 26, 2024 9:51am Aug 26, 2024 9:51am
I've recently been writing a super huge grid EA that currently has 380 input parameters. If you're interested, I'll let you test it when I'm done.
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