ChatGPT Bots and Indicators+

AI is most powerful when used by people who know how to get a lot out of it. It really does nothing on its own unless we are talking about completely autonomous systems.

I do believe AI can be leveraged to help develop excellent trading bots.

One thought I have is to find successful traders whose styles are quite mechanical and who are able to precisely define their systems. These systems can be made known to AI and then AI can be used to assist in coding the systems.

For those who want to have personal control over their trades, they can use bots that only give alerts to help the trader not miss their favorite signals, then the trader can handle entries and exits manually. This is the direction I’m currently pursuing.

Lawsuit against ChatGPT creator shows the creepiness of AI

Worth reading.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-...sult/102490068


Schwartz, who has more than 30 years' experience practising law in the US, was part of a legal team acting for a man suing the airline Avianca.
The client, Roberto Mata, had claimed that he was injured after a metal serving cart hit his knee during a flight.

Unfortunately for the client, Schwartz did his legal research for the case using ChatGPT without fact checking if the cases he cited in his brief, involving other airlines and personal injuries, were real or not.

Turns out they weren't.

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30yrs experience in law lol.

2 wks experience (maybe) in where ChatGPT gets ITS info from.

What a world we live in & god help the unaware children flocking to this new miracle invention without ALSO engaging their brain in the process.

Ya, I remember grade 11 computer science. Learning Basic language and touching on some others. I still remember my DOS commands. Teacher said, there are 3 lines of computers. PC for business, Atari for gaming and Apple for art. He said whatever you do, stay away from Apple because they are going to go bankrupt any day now.

Well, one could say those were the early days. I THINK Microsoft was 79 cent/share...wait there was no Microsoft yet. . Point is, things change, get more sophisticated overtime and for example. the monster that DOS was, is now...well, another monster.
In this case, I believe them when they say an AI creating another AI and so on until they are more intelligent than us. Now that makes a good basis for being scared of technology and wanting to defy it or take it lightly as if it is a mere fad. The only problem is that the evolution of AI fits in completely well with the definition of creativity. I'm not referring to the formal definition of the word but I'm more talking about how creativity happens.

Creativity doesn't happen in a vacuum. It would be amazing if you put someone in an underground cellar from birth and they turned out to produce the most beautiful paintings from the feedback they get from their surroundings. Creativity is a product of interaction, observation, admiration and wanting to be the subject, to be as good, to be even better, to invoke every bit power you have to achieve the beauty that you think is worth presenting. In that effort, you look around, you look into your experiences, you talk, observe, ponder and maybe you come up with something new or newish and now you have created. AI is doing the same thing. It is looking around at everything that is and has been and trying to be a bit of them. It incorporates the surroundings into a form of self expression that is demanded by the user. User right now. but can the user be eliminated? There is no one that can say no for sure. Just AI having an AI producing factory. lol. maybe not lol.

I think the fear is really legitimate. AI and it's behaviour and basically wherever it claws itself firmly in, has been the exact places that we humans have clawed ourselves in. We paved the road. It's a natural fit and is trained as a better version of ourselves simply because it has a vast data source is able to manipulate it and CREATE a convincible piece which is although of the same nature as a human created piece but well improved in some cases.

We have AI now. I am afraid of Poly-AI.

I wonder if there is a way to get above AI?
I mean, the usual threats, we can get away from. For example, if you live in an earth quake prone area, you could move. Same with most other natural disasters. If you don't like your gov, you move. If summer is too hot, you buy AC etc. Usually you can throw money at things to save yourself even if it means trampling over others...yes we do that sorta thing.
But, AI described as an existential threat to all humanity?
For some reason, it is believable. You can see already what code can do. Robotics is getting pretty advanced too.
Hard pressed to come up with a way to get above AI especially that it is not a me thing.

ELON musk has talked about incorporating chips in human brains. I think if there is one plausible way to get above AI is not to defeat it but to join it.
Say what you will but I think some seismic shift is possibly ahead? Maybe it is already here...what do we frogs know about hot water anyway?

For me, I see AI as the (un)natural successor to human intelligence. We gave birth to it and just like our children, it will eventually take over our roles in the world. If we’re smart, and raise it well, it will look after us and be a morally superior version of ourselves. If we’re not smart it will be a completely amoral horror unleashed on the universe.

We have a mighty responsibility to get things right on the first try because just like kids, when they’re out in the world there is no going back. However it’s the next step in our evolution so either way it’s inevitable.

AI creating AI from its own output could be a disaster from humanity, if folks understand what that means.


Like many on FF, I also started off in DOS lol, (cls, mkdir, dir - a few fave command lines hahaaa)

Then I started programming mid-80’s when the desktop became available to the masses
(about $1900AUD back then for an 8088 chip IBM clone unit lol)

On the 8088 it would take 30 mins to compile my code into an executable file (listening to music while waiting).

And, while programming is a ‘language’ that can be learned - we all soon learned the good old ......
“Syntax Error” message
which meant one thing only.

DEBUGGING AHEAD lolol

So you quickly learnt to write syntax error free code so that you didn’t have to wait another 30 mins to see if your code took this time.

The 80286 chip reduced compiling time to around 15 mins
The 80386 to about 3 mins
and the 80486/Pentium complied code was now instantaneous


The current problem with Level One AI as shown a month or so back by Bionics on his own thread in (an english) video he uploaded, highlighted to me a limitation of current AI.

He asked the AI a programming question on currency pricing for levels into lot size denominations to achieve a particular output that he desired.
Bionics had worked out the answer first, of course, to check against the AI (unlike our lawyer above).

When the AI gave an incorrect answer Bionics advised this to the AI and explained where it had gone wrong.
So a second time the AI had a shot. But provided an incorrect answer again.
When Bionics advised the AI it was again wrong …. the AI apologised to him.

What did that tell me about current level AI.
It was unable to do its own DE-BUGGING.
It could not correct its own answer using its own actual intelligence.

Therefore lies a problem at present imho.
If AI cannot discern the validity or veracity of the data OUTCOME it is working with then the owner best be using THEIR own intelligence at that point.

So then for a higher level AI to learn from a lower level AI (or poly-AI), well yes, it may learn incorrect output is acceptable and of we go.
As human laziness embraces AI to avoid having to work or learn or think for itself then it could well be trouble ahead for sure.


A 2030 scenario hahaaa .
Two children in the playground at lunch-time.

Kid #1
“My wristwatch AI says Mt Everest is 10,xxx metres high.
Kid #2
“NO its not. MY wristwatch AI says it is 10,xxx+1 metres high”

(or worse, BOTH AI wristwatches give the SAME but ultimately incorrect answers and the kids AND their teachers say "okay it's wrong but at least we all agree")

omfg.

Teaching our children how to think, learn & discern for themselves is more important for humanity right NOW. IMO.

Of course, adults can do whatever best pleases them, as they usually do.

can you code liquidity grabs or Liquid Lunch as i call it

Most of society now has been "dumbed down" now, so it will only get worse.

And AI will be programmed by these people. OMG.

I guess there is hope as long as we have books, and people know how to read. not that kids read books anymore.

What are Books ?

Its all devices nowadays & Google everything, No facts are checked or verified.

With AI now even videos of prominent leaders speaking can be faked.

Nothing is Real anymore

sad, but so true.

The author of the bot I posted in the first post is using his ea to run an ftmo challenge and seems like he is doing well.

He has posted another free ea which is identcal to the paid version in bt testing. So if anyone is interested, there is an ftmo worthy ea to grab for free.

He also offers to give you the source code of BotGPT for free if you comment on his ea but ask him exactly what he means before commenting.