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Objective Thinking And Trading

..... And why not much is as it seems ....


LEARN something today and stop treating all of it as just "information". Stop thinking like a person "spawned out of" the world and start thinking as a person "in the worlds' world".

https://www.bis.org/publ/qtrpdf/r_qt1909b.htm


Peter
Trading's for those who learn independently. Everyone else is just blind.
"Accepting what's presented without asking questions."

Deeper mind.

Faith.

Something a cult leader teaches.

Warning.

Experiential learning.

Master apprentice dynamic.

A mind tickler. Good one, Peter. TOUCHE`
My Threads: Trading is as simple as 1-2-3, Highest Open / Lowest Open Trade
Quoting TooSlow
"Accepting what's presented without asking questions." Deeper mind. Faith. Something a cult leader teaches. Warning. Experiential learning. Master apprentice dynamic. A mind tickler. Good one, Peter. TOUCHE`


When I cross the road I either use -

= the crosswalk that is lined up with traffic signals to walk or don't walk

Or

= I use my own judgment to cross at another point along that road.

Now, some people who are too worried about being 'booked for jaywalking" need not worry about thinking on their own, because management has pre-arranged the crosswalk so everyone can feel "safe".

Unfortunately though, this has no connection to whether you WILL in fact be safe while you cross that road. So to just walk out blindly because you get a 'signal' to walk, would be foolish and rather suicidal. The number of times I see people now, who merely walk on that signal without first checking left and right, is phenomenal.....and rather disturbing.

So I choose to look left and right and use my own signals, thank you very much.

This situation is frequently similar to trading.

Too Slow, what you have written and in its sequence, shows no regard for what is happening here and is just a silly attempt to twist the context. Maybe you need glasses or a recheck of some of your faculties. I don't care how many times or how many ways people make an attempt to delude what is said here, people just need to expect they will become the lesson for others who wish to learn. Or, you may have meant it with good intentions, however, this does not change what is happening here.

What I have written is going to have 1 of 2 affects on a person - either they screw around or, they get serious. Everything else is somewhere in between.


Happy learning and trading


Peter
Trading's for those who learn independently. Everyone else is just blind.
Quoting PeterCaleb
{quote} ...Too Slow, what you have written and in its sequence, shows no regard for what is happening here and is just a silly attempt to twist the context. Maybe you need glasses or a recheck of some of your faculties. I don't care how many times or how many ways people make an attempt to delude what is said here, people just need to expect they will become the lesson for others who wish to learn. Or, you may have meant it with good intentions, however, this does not change what is happening here. What I have written is going to have 1 of 2 affects...
Peter,

No attempt to "twist" or do anything. What I listed are the interpretations that came to mind, when I read that phrase, in the order they came. Nothing more, nothing less.
My Threads: Trading is as simple as 1-2-3, Highest Open / Lowest Open Trade
Quoting TooSlow
{quote} Peter, No attempt to "twist" or do anything. What I listed are the interpretations that came to mind, when I read that phrase, in the order they came. Nothing more, nothing less.


Then I would suggest you make your lists on a piece of paper and leave this thread clear.

Thank you.


Peter
Trading's for those who learn independently. Everyone else is just blind.
From interpretation to something more and something better ....

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There are so many layers to society now, that I don't think people are aware of just HOW MANY layers are present. However one easy and sure fire way to get a glimpse is to simply look at your own life at present. Try this ...

Make a list of all the different categories and sub-categories of everything going on in your personal reality. Make sure this list is itemized.

And then make another list of how many different roles you play as a person in someone else's life or livelihood. It will surprise you how many different things you are to different people.

People who come to this thread need to see, that this is not about being king of my own castle, that I do not aim to 'make friends or enemies' here.

It goes far beyond me and everyone's opinions or judgments, INCLUDING my own, whenever they turn up.

A good example of this = Someone recently showed confusion toward trading re: the means and the end result.

People who skulk about on sites like these, seeking only to steal other people's ideas or hard work to make money for themselves, really, are no different to those people who place their own hard work out in the common area and expect everyone to "respect it"..... AKA do not steal it "it's for everyone".

How is it that these two seemingly different people could be seen as the same type of person?

A - They share an equal amount and a similar degree of naivete and ignorance when dealing with money and people.

Because people's understanding of money is "presented to them", "given to them" repeatedly over and over again, they become snowed underneath a mountain of assumptions and pre-determined conclusions.

The funny thing about all of this, is, when a person begins to speak about this in this way, many will think you're being extreme, or radical or anti something. Or perhaps that it's an unnecessary discussion to engage in or thing to think about.

And this is where true ignorance steps in and replaces genuine common sense. The basic definition of genuine common sense goes something like this ....

A person's ability to operate in a natural way towards any and all types of information and situations presented. Whenever I see robotic responses/reactions from people, I know they are NOT using G. common sense. They are using programmed responses they have learned during the course of several exposures. As I have said many times before, copying/imitating is NOT the same as learning.

How does all of this relate to the means and end ?

A + B = C
B + A = C
A + C = B
C + A = B
B + C = A
C + B = A

But the question that is/needs to be asked in the first step of the entire process, is the most important in its own specific context.

The answer to that query sets the tone for the process. And the level / layer on which that answer is seated sets the tone for what you will learn and how you will learn it. The more materialistic or superficial the desired outcome (end), the less you will learn on pass-through number 1 (means).

THIS is part of the reason WHY people take so long to reach a level of happy trading "success". Trying to cheat the process ...... reason->means->end.

It's also why IF tomorrow, trading was shutdown indefinitely, many people would be at a loss for what to do with their new found "information and knowledge". It's too hyper-specialized and is not grounded in real life.

A good example of all this ---- 21.00 minutes in.

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Something to think about.


Happy learning and trading


Peter
Trading's for those who learn independently. Everyone else is just blind.
Most people miss or overlook the symbolism of how similar trading is to real life. Check this out as an example hehehehehe .......


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Happy learning and trading


Peter
Trading's for those who learn independently. Everyone else is just blind.
Quoting PeterCaleb
A + B = C
B + A = C
A + C = B
C + A = B
B + C = A
C + B = A
A = 0
B = 0
C = 0.
My Threads: Trading is as simple as 1-2-3, Highest Open / Lowest Open Trade
Some people just don't get it ........


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Trading's for those who learn independently. Everyone else is just blind.
A lot of people these days seem to act more like stunted children than grown ups or "adults". You can see this whenever you watch them walk, talk, write, ponder situations and even try to find solutions to their troubles. Many have become very "comfortable" with letting "management" do the thinking for them. And when it comes to trading, it's really no different.


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Do you think THAT guy has the luxury of letting other people do his thinking for him ?

Part of the psychological game of trading, in all its many "forms", is to determine who's playing the game that's handed to them and who is playing a game on other people.

Of course if you're a person who is not interested in wasting your time with trying to mix socializing with what people these days call "trading", then at least you're off to a good start. The average person's idea and definition of trading is nothing better than the equivalent of believing that what Phil said earlier in that video, is simply not true or accurate. Using an opinion as the truth is a dangerous thing.

Part of the problem is, personal psychology, is not taught to children as they grow up, as it is with the other subjects. So it means that a person has to find a way to figure it out on their own. And to do this effectively, it all boils down to your deepest motivation. If you're only after the money, then you'll be poorly prepared or competent to really help anyone and at times, even yourself. So you need something more. Something more real.

In my experience, many people can do the technical stuff re: trading or speculating, but have trouble with the real life stuff.

The "Self Help" stuff around is a wonderful distraction for fantasy goers, but IF you look not at the products but the MARKETING of everything in that area of society, you may see the tiny piece of truthfulness sitting in the corner of the room......

* They are ALL based on the same things, the same ingredients, exactly the same elements.

The language of observation can teach you more in a day than reading 100 books. Why?

You are a conduit. It doesn't matter what your opinion is here, it has no effect on the truth of this. If you see something or read something you internalize it. Admittedly some things more than others but it's there..... waiting.

When first arriving at this website, I found it rather disturbing just how much people simply do not make their own observations anymore. They feel and believe so poorly about themselves that they would put their trading future in the hands of a nobody on some virtual establishment.

For those who think I "just don't understand the 21st century", you'd be very wrong.

I can still call my brokers on the phone if I choose. Can you do that? I bet most people just assume the internet is the only "form of communication" around now. Such a distraction.

So if you really want to learn how to help yourself, I mean REALLY, then you have to learn what is genuinely real and what is a distraction. Just as it is in the world of trading.

If you don't "agree" or "don't believe me" then maybe you need a refresher .....


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So having the motivation to "make money" is rather juvenile when set against real things. You need to go deeper, much deeper.

Trading is JUST an activity, one out of millions of activities. Once you stop fighting with this realization, all the talking words and mouths online and the people around you, will be put in their place in your mind, so you can learn instead of chasing the carrot.

Your task, should you choose to accept it, is to arrive at the realization that learning how to improve yourself is exactly the same, whatever the context - be it spiritual or physical or mental or environmental..... or whatever is important to you at this time and place in you life.

People who 'inhabit' these kinds of sites are questionable at the very least. Take it from someone who has been doing this for a very long time, the tech may change but people STILL cannot hide what is really there. Try and try as they might.

The way to approach any situation is always the same. You need to create a blueprint. A living breathing knowledge base and understanding that will aid you when you feel lost or without hope, not only when you are doing well.

And you need to observe yourself so you can start to see what a problematic approach really is and how it looks from the outside looking in at you.

Many people I come across don't see how they affect others, with their shortsightedness, their selfish will and with their attitudes toward learning. These are things you will face within yourself.

If your motivation is not strong enough, then you know you have not gone deep enough to learn about yourself.

People ask me sometimes why I don't supply "help" on this thread. Here's a reply ......

If you do not see that you are drowning then when it's seeming too late you will reach out due to desperation instead of the need to learn. But it's never too late to learn. I can only make suggestions and offer a way to begin. Although I have found most people's hearts are about the same, it's the "other stuff" they carry with them that will drown them. You don't "need" anything categorically man-made to begin a journey of self learning, you merely need to sense the need to start. A "want" simply is not strong enough to get you through the dark times or those days when you feel overwhelmed or betrayed.

You cannot withdraw from responsibility without there being some form of consequence.

Another Life lesson that is 100% relevant to trading.

A friend of mine has a great way to approach it, albeit rather forward .........

Whenever he hears or sees someone nearby, who is bitching about something rather trivial but making a racket about it, while offering zero options for resolution, here's what he says to them.....

"If you feel so deeply about this, and you feel there's no way to change it, why not go and enter yourself into the sex slavery business?"

I know what you're thinking here ...... WHAT ??!!!

Juuust wait .....

Then the person usually reacts with something like this ....

"WHAT?! NO WAY!! That's disgusting/Horrible/so degrading !!!"

And then my friend would quietly ask "Why do you feel SO deeply about THAT ? Could it be because you still have some self respect?Some type of value for yourself?"

Yeah sure, the reactions vary, BUT, once that question is raised, it gets them thinking. Then it's simple enough to share with them the fact that their "problem" IS in fact solvable.

Now admittedly he doesn't do this all the time. That would be rather extreme. However in many situations, the person is faced with the real life question pertaining to their self respect and what they're focusing on. And yes some people blow it off and others actually learn something.

Common denominators.

That's the name of the "game"

It could be personal development or trading or whatever you would like to choose.

If your goal is (for lack of a better word here) ... pure, then you can and will learn if you give yourself the chance.

When learning is happening in a natural way, you can do more with it. When it's forced or manipulated, there are always problems.


So you choose .....

Watch. Do. Or bitch and complain.


Happy learning and trading


Peter
Trading's for those who learn independently. Everyone else is just blind.
The Ignorance / Non-Knowledge Shell


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* First created in BC times to improve people's thinking capabilities in business and commerce

* Was written as a way for a person to move "through" their own types of non-knowledge stages.

* Is useful in all areas of thinking that must eventually lead to Doing

* Has nothing to do with "being told" what is what

* Is a natural way to challenge your true view of how you actually think

* Was designed to test your strength of conviction


It is one of those tests you never hear about but "interestingly", is what modern Psychology and personal development etc is all based upon.

Most people have a very petty and superficial view on trading - buy or sell and it takes X amount of time and generates Y amount of profits or losses. Very shallow. Akin to standing on the edge of a sandy beach with one inch of water glossing over your feet and calling it a Big Kahuna wave.

And people wonder why they're so addicted to social media and websites like this yet they don't get anywhere. When I say "anywhere" I mean they understand the process enough, to know that it doesn't just stop when they have money in their bank account from profits transferred. You're not dealing with what goes on, you're dealing with the screen in front of you. The funny thing about profits, is you don't ACTUALLY have ANY right to them UNLESS you understand certain things first.

For example -

* Money cannot be an endgame because it only possesses perceived value.

* In a system where money must continue to move around, "your" profits cannot legally remain yours indefinitely.

Investing your time and energy into something that yields little more than "what everyone believes they already know" is pretty silly if you ask me.

HISTORY shows that "what everyone believes they know" has a nasty way of leading people down the garden path.

And people who do not study real history, to me, are destined to keep playing that game "why are you hitting yourself?!".

Non-knowledge is when a person believes they know and understand something but, deep down, they know they have not sought out any real value in it. Therefore they've done no research and study. I come across this everyday on sites like this.

So maybe this post will turn a few lights on for people. As I've said many times, the basics are the foundation of everything.

So if you want to speculate, then you will choose specific basics to build on. If you want to value trade, you may choose some of the same basics from the speculative pile, but you also know that today leads into tomorrow, therefore, you need to learn how to operate in a lateral way, so you can adapt and adjust. This is something speculators cannot do. Why not?

They do not understand or know about the law of human averages. It is something that human civilization is built from and on. And has always been built on.

One eg -

Low-medium-upper socio-economics.

Another eg. -

Central providers-Intermediaries-End User

Starting to get the picture yet?

So all the people who trade to make money or earn a living or whatever you want to call it, the idea of arguing over whether a X% Win SR over 100 trades VS on a per trade basis is a worthy use of your time, is folly. It's the same coin you're fighting over.

If someone fails there are only two options of why - lack of natural talent or poor attendance of learned / acquired skill.

If you can only scalp or only trend trade then you have failed yourself. You can either argue about this or start to consider why.

Learning about yourself and learning how to trade properly are the same thing. The information and labels appear different but the concepts are the same.

Whenever you have to "be told" what to learn and "how" to learn it then you failed to learn. Right / Wrong answers do not apply here. Creative and lateral thinking is what helps you learn.

Happy learning and trading


Peter
Trading's for those who learn independently. Everyone else is just blind.
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Get Your Head Right And Trade


People don't seem to understand that the crap in your head stops you from adapting to change and the future that hasn't reached you yet.

Before 'fundamental and technical analysis' were popularized, people had to think their way through problems. It really is amazing how low people's standards are now. I can say that because they display it by obsessing over things that are meant to be indicative NOT conclusive.

For eg.


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Now for a second, assume that you are not seeking answers on those charts. If you do this you are now in the half of people who have already realized the difference between certain things apparent ........


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People who have never experienced market downturns where fortunes have been lost and people have lost everything, would not know what it's like to rebuild. There is a poignant lesson in this. A lesson I see that many people still have not learned.

-----> stupid goat following is a choice not a requirement.

Most people try and stabilize their present by seeking to master the past, but if you obsess over this you will not be able to adapt. We have seen this play out now worldwide re: this virus and lockdown stuff. The stories, the misinformation and the delinquent nature of people's ability to learn.

So there's no point in arguing about it.

Clear out the crap in your head and learn.

"How do I do that Peter?"

Most people are too ashamed to admit they have problems. So start there. If you remain full of crap in your beliefs and opinions then you'll never learn anything and in doing so, you lock yourself away from Life. Most people have heads of full of "modern stuff" but are empty when it comes to the true basics of Life itself, in all its forms.

If you obsess over "fitting in" then you have already lost the battle.


Happy learning and trading.


Peter
Trading's for those who learn independently. Everyone else is just blind.
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