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  • #4,681
  • Jul 8, 2022 7:43am Jul 8, 2022 7:43am
other brain food...EURUSD 5min chart...see my previous posts about 5 min chart
I seriously think that with this last graph I repaid myself with the one who created the geometric indicators and with those who posted them on the web ... with respect a warm greeting to all
I am nobody but I seriously hope that among you traders there are those who have a lot of patience to count the bars ... to count the bars ... to count the bars
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  • #4,682
  • Edited 2:00pm Jul 8, 2022 1:47pm | Edited 2:00pm
Quoting carbonmimeti
for all and for all of those who write to me in private and who are really interested in the study of TIME ... EURUSD 2 day cycle 1H............... {image}
for all and for all of those who write to me in private and who are really interested in the study of TIME ... EURUSD 2 day cycle 1H......

Carbonmimeti in my experience for me you are on the road to be a guru apprentice and a real bullshitter.

Why a guru apprentice ? Because one of the main characteristics of a "Guru" on a trading Forum, is that the Guru NEVER answers directly and simply a question, and NEVER a "technical question" ex how did you do that ? etc

The second characteristic of a Guru is that, when he answers something, the Guru answers generally something like "find yourself" "learn by yourself" etc

Hence you are on the right track to become an apprentice Guru.

You are IMHO a bullshitter. This is proved by your quote above "for all those who write to me in private and who are really interested in the study of Time"

As IMHO you live in a fantasy world, your limited brain has not noticed that since your post of June 24 th , on this real thread , NOBODY has asked you any question on your (eventual) methodology. At the exception of 4 guys :

ThatRichDude
OAPdave
Swede
and myself

None of us understand what you post. You do not answer our questions . And we have no time and energy to invest into deciphering, decoding, reverse engeneering your posts.

As NOBODY outside us has publicly asked questions on your methodology, questions you have never answered. Why readers of this thread who have never asked you publicly questions, would ask you questions in Private messages ?????

PS Nobody is interested in the study of Time (à la Carbonmimeti), because nobody understand your posts.
  • #4,683
  • Jul 8, 2022 4:03pm Jul 8, 2022 4:03pm
Quoting carbonmimeti
other brain food...EURUSD 5min chart...see my previous posts about 5 min chart I seriously think that with this last graph I repaid myself with the one who created the geometric indicators and with those who posted them on the web ... with respect a warm greeting to all I am nobody but I seriously hope that among you traders there are those who have a lot of patience to count the bars ... to count the bars ... to count the bars {image}

Howdy carbonmimeti,

Again, I appreciate your efforts and understand you're trying to offer value from your recent expositions.

However, when writing you have to consider the fact that there are traders with different apprehension level and different trading methodologies.

On that note, how do you serve such an audience? It's simple. You don't assume anyone understands what you may likely type or explain on this thread. With that in mind, write in such a way that you appeal to the advanced, intermediate, and new trader. That way you don't offend anyone in your trading and yet please most!

The beautiful thing about such an audience is, when everyone sees the effort you're putting in making it simple, the engagement will increase! And that will encourage you to continue because people are finding value in your posts. And you will begin to see intelligent questions popping up, because you did your job in explaining your posts well.

I strongly believe one vital component in successful trading is its simplicity. That way, execution and psychology takes care of itself.

If you need a head start, you can refer to the inception of this thread OR others thread like, parisboy, DiamondMiner, Sweede, and the likes... and see how they started with introductions, they pretty much made it self-explanatory... before moving on to the meat of the matter. Not saying starting your thread would be the solution, but breaking down and organzing it in such a way that even after 4 years people won't be lost.

If i'm not mistaken, this thread has been active for over 3 years and yet it's active to this day! Why? By now you know why.

In the words of Einstein, "if you can't explain it to a toddler, you never really understood it"

On that note, I hope you take this constructive feedback, and run with it! Make it count!

Have a nice weekend carbonmimeti.
  • #4,684
  • Jul 9, 2022 2:58am Jul 9, 2022 2:58am
Quoting thatRichDude
{quote} Howdy carbonmimeti, Again, I appreciate your efforts and understand you're trying to offer value from your recent expositions. However, when writing you have to consider the fact that there are traders with different apprehension level and different trading methodologies. On that note, how do you serve such an audience? It's simple. You don't assume anyone understands what you may likely type or explain on this thread. With that in mind, write in such a way that you appeal to the advanced, intermediate, and new trader. That way you...
excellent post ThatRichDude ! Thanks for posting it.
  • #4,685
  • Edited 7:22am Jul 9, 2022 4:03am | Edited 7:22am
Quoting Kwt4x
{quote} LMAO, I can see you are feeling the PAIN from calling you a FRAUD hahaha why don't you explain to members about all the years you have been quoting and preaching GANN and now you call him marketeer & bullshitter. how can anyone trust you anymore ? I WAS right by calling you "wannabe GANN" 2 years ago https://www.forexfactory.com/thread/...1#post13250861
2 additional cents on Gann....... Gann propagandists, Gann advertisers , manipulators, etc

I found interesting that right at the same time 3 guys Kwt4x, Carbonmimeti and Evodio arrived on the 2 "jenkins" threads to lecture us and and bring us the good word and teach us the right way to use Gann in our trading

I am not so benevolent as ThatRichDude towards them.

Iwill quote first Kwt4x "why don't you explain to members about all the years you have been quoting and preaching GANN and now you call him marketeer & bullshitter.

It is precisely because I have used , quoted even "preached" Gann since 1998 that I do not believe that Gann is a"genius".

Gann is just a survivor . Gann success is to have financially survived in the market environment during 50 years up to his dead in 1955 selling to his audience newsletter, courses, private lessons , trading advices, trading signals like many do in 2022 !

To do that Gann has traded. But was Gann a "trader" ?

(to be continued)
  • #4,686
  • Jul 9, 2022 8:02am Jul 9, 2022 8:02am
Quoting Swede
{quote} And that my friend is always a problem....the Becks Emblem is nothing more than a neat image without a Garley and a Quadralateral to square the chart....and you really need a better platform than mt4 for proper scaling...but yes, in a perfect world it would be valid for certain. ps.....same problem with circles...unless your chart is perfectly scaled to the time period your trading, the circle means very little....looks good but fails to help you pull the trigger...
Yup Pattern is taking a long time to complete.... it is in corrective phase
  • #4,687
  • Jul 9, 2022 1:12pm Jul 9, 2022 1:12pm
2 additional cents on Gann....... Gann propagandists, Gann advertisers , manipulators, etc (2)

many people make a big error about and other trading luminaries (Wyckoff, Elliott, or more recent like Bollinger, Prechter, Nealy, etc). These guys were and are not members of a trading forum exchanging freely advices, opinions on tools and methodologies. These guys earn their living by trying to sell us books, newsletters, seminars, videos, conferences etc.

May be they do some research and this can be useful. But their problem is that they have first to tease us to attract our attention an interest.

But to cash some dollars they can't tell us freely all. Moreover to keep us as customers on the long term, their tools and methodologies can not be definitives. Tools and methodologies have to be subject to multiple interpretation and "controversy".
  • #4,688
  • Jul 9, 2022 1:20pm Jul 9, 2022 1:20pm
2 additional cents on Gann....... Gann propagandists, Gann advertisers , manipulators, etc (3)

another important point to remember about Gann is that he died 70 years ago.

Then most of what Gann promoted at his time is now common sense and has lost the glamour and attraction of novelty.

If you study attentively the books of Gann, he puts forward very often the use of Stop Loss and Money Management Rules - do not invest more than 2 % of your capital on one stock

When Gann wrote that, it what very new - now it is just common sense.
  • #4,689
  • Jul 9, 2022 1:45pm Jul 9, 2022 1:45pm
2 additional cents on Gann....... Gann propagandists, Gann advertisers , manipulators, etc (4)

Gann and Trading

let's summarize Gann Methodologies and Tools as written in his books or leaflets

- Angles - Diagonal Line measuring Speed and Acceleration
- Horizontal Lines measuring Price
- Vertical Lines (measuring Time)
- the division by 8 of a Price Range
- Square, Circle and Triangle

"Natural" Cycles
Spiral - Square of Nine, Square of 1é, Square of 52, Square of 144, Hexagon, Octogon

you can add also some Astrological tools

But in none of the main Gann Books available you will find a chart using these tools for a trade and even less a series of trade using these tools

Surprising ? Questioning ?
  • #4,690
  • Edited Jul 10, 2022 8:42am Jul 9, 2022 3:02pm | Edited Jul 10, 2022 8:42am
Quoting parisboy
2 in none of the main Gann Books available you will find a chart using these tools for a trade and even less a series of trade using these tools Surprising ? Questioning ?
Excactly, that is what I have been saying, not one Gann aficionado has shown entry, exit, profit or loss...not one in 3 years.....nor an explanation of the trigger.....anyone with deep enough pockets can do the May 18 trade that was shown....start buying (at resistance) full lots as the price tanked all day long ending with 8 standard lots (80.00 per pip) long in huge drawdown......got lucky a few days later but most traders with a 15-20000 account would have been in trouble first day , or at least the risk was way out of bounds, unless you have a 200,000.00 account or so.

im not critical of the great win for kt4x, but us little guys would not be able to do this trade, under any circumstances.
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  • #4,691
  • Jul 10, 2022 7:46am Jul 10, 2022 7:46am
Quoting Swede
{quote} Excactly, that is what I have been saying, not one Gann aficionado has shown entry, exit, profit or loss...not one in 3 years.....nor an explanation of the trigger.....anyone with deep enough pockets can do the May 18 trade that was shown....start buying (at resistance) full lots as the price tanked all day long ending with 8 standard lots (80.00 per pip) long in huge drawdown......got lucky a few days later but most traders with a 15-20000 account would have been in trouble first day , or at least the risk was...
this will be my last post for you, it's up to you if you read it carefully and understand it.

your focus on "proof of profit" "entry" "exit" blindsided you from GANN math, it even blindsided you from reading my last post when I said "trading has nothing to do with measuring".
GANN and Fibonacci are NOT strategy systems or indicators, they are simply drawing tools, when applied correctly they will measure the past so you can see the future.

answer me honestly, how many times did you use the word "accurate" regarding my charts ? it's not mine, I just applied GANN math correctly to get accurate levels of S/R in the future.
if you noticed the chart in my last post, the starting point is from 2020 and the levels are still accurate, why shouldn't I trust them ?

analyzing my account will not benefit you since you missed "2 week swing" in my last post. in a swing mindset, drawdowns and size are irrelevant, you still have to apply the same percentages of money management that will fit all small, big and HUGE accounts.

My trading style is my OWN, it does not have to fit everyone, but I based it on an "accurate" GANN math that I trust.
if you are amazed with my wins and call yourself little, I should call myself TINY when compared to bigger accounts and long-term trading styles, but it fit my account, and your wins should fit yours.

so, my advice to anyone interested in GANN, apply GANN math correctly until you reach "accurate" charts for a fact, THEN AND ONLY THEN, any trading style you use SHOULD be based on the trusted "accurate" levels. with keeping in mind to use the correct money management percentages to fit your account.

cheers,
"the public is not yet ready for it" W.D. GANN
  • #4,692
  • Jul 10, 2022 9:15am Jul 10, 2022 9:15am
Quoting Kwt4x
{quote} it's not mine, I just applied GANN math correctly to get accurate levels of S/R in the future. if you noticed the chart in my last post, the starting point is from 2020 and the levels are still accurate, why shouldn't I trust them ? analyzing my account will not benefit you since you missed "2 week swing" in my last post. in a swing mindset, drawdowns and size are irrelevant, you still have to apply the same percentages of money management that will fit all small, big and HUGE accounts. My trading style is my OWN, it does not have to fit...
This post has so many pages. Could you point me the post where you had shown how to draw S/R using GANN math? And the math logic you used. I am so desperate to learn the math to calculate the S/R for stocks and indexes I follow to trade.
  • #4,693
  • Jul 10, 2022 9:57am Jul 10, 2022 9:57am
Quoting Kwt4x
{quote} this will be my last post for you, it's up to you if you read it carefully and understand it. your focus on "proof of profit" "entry" "exit" blindsided you from GANN math, it even blindsided you from reading my last post when I said "trading has nothing to do with measuring". GANN and Fibonacci are NOT strategy systems or indicators, they are simply drawing tools, when applied correctly they will measure the past so you can see the future. answer me honestly, how many times did you use the word "accurate" regarding my charts ? it's not mine,...
Your a very special trader Kw.....I say that because your the only trader in all of forex factory who has the balls to keep buying in a pull back market, with no stops and no foreknowledge of what could be around the corner. And then hold for days without any protection whatsoever. (Trailing stop). You are also the only trader I have known who claims to have the math but will not elaborate on what the math is, how to calculate it, how to put it into a working model so the average guy can use it.

instead you like to point out your superiority over mere mortals like me, who by the way, has survived just fine without your supreme knowledge.

But, if you ever start a thread devoted to the math you proclaim, I would be a student
  • #4,694
  • Edited 12:18pm Jul 10, 2022 10:51am | Edited 12:18pm
Quoting Swede
{quote} Your a very special trader Kw.....I say that because your the only trader in all of forex factory who has the balls to keep buying in a pull back market, with no stops and no foreknowledge of what could be around the corner. And then hold for days without any protection whatsoever. (Trailing stop). You are also the only trader I have known who claims to have the math but will not elaborate on what the math is, how to calculate it, how to put it into a working model so the average guy can use it. instead you like to point out your superiority...
Swede as years flow I am always amazed by the level of arrogance, irrationality and pure stupidity of these guys.

Kwt4x mantra is " apply GANN math correctly " but when somebody ask " which math ?" "what do you mean by correct, correctly" " could you show us some detailed examples , please" . The void !

Edit : I forgot stubborness
  • #4,695
  • Jul 10, 2022 11:01am Jul 10, 2022 11:01am
Quoting Swede
{quote} Your a very special trader Kw.....I say that because your the only trader in all of forex factory who has the balls to keep buying in a pull back market, with no stops and no foreknowledge of what could be around the corner. And then hold for days without any protection whatsoever. (Trailing stop). You are also the only trader I have known who claims to have the math but will not elaborate on what the math is, how to calculate it, how to put it into a working model so the average guy can use it. instead you like to point out your superiority...
you always leave me speechless with your answers that missed my points.

I'll answer you in short

"balls to keep buying in a pull back market" , pullback in uptrend is an HL(higher low) in DOW reading, so I'm not worried about changing direction.
"with no stops" , no swing trader use stops when he read the market correctly.
"no foreknowledge of what could be around the corner" , that's not true, both GANN & Fibonacci show you direction and major S/R.
"hold for days without any protection whatsoever. (Trailing stop)" , what's the point of swing trading if you cut your wins short with a trailing stop ?
"who claims to have the math but will not elaborate on what the math is" , you already know the math but you apply it wrong, GANN is all about squaring time and price so he can add his angles and grids.
"instead you like to point out your superiority over mere mortals like me" , WOW that's a big statement, it will apply on everyone who answer your questions, and that's just plain WRONG.

you don't need a thread or to be a student to apply GANN, just do it correctly.
"the public is not yet ready for it" W.D. GANN
  • #4,696
  • Jul 10, 2022 12:38pm Jul 10, 2022 12:38pm
Quoting Kwt4x
{quote} you always leave me speechless with your answers that missed my points. I'll answer you in short "balls to keep buying in a pull back market" , pullback in uptrend is an HL(higher low) in DOW reading, so I'm not worried about changing direction. "with no stops" , no swing trader use stops when he read the market correctly. "no foreknowledge of what could be around the corner" , that's not true, both GANN & Fibonacci show you direction and major S/R. "hold for days without any protection whatsoever. (Trailing stop)" , what's the point of...
You are in error on one point...I do not “know” the math...let’s leave it there. And if I did know the math I would still protect my account against losses. The Swiss and the Yen have some very dangerous friends, the Bank of Japan and the Swiss National Bank. Anything can happen at any time that can wipe out an account, sometimes in mere minutes. Call me nervous if you like, but I have survived some very unexpected currency moves in the past 20 years so I am clearly not in your league and never will be. Green pips to you Kt...
  • #4,697
  • Jul 10, 2022 12:44pm Jul 10, 2022 12:44pm
Quoting Kwt4x
{quote} so I'm not worried about changing direction. "with no stops" , no swing trader use stops when he read the market correctly. "no foreknowledge of what could be around the corner" , that's not true, both GANN & Fibonacci show you direction and major S/R. "hold for days without any protection whatsoever. (Trailing stop)" , what's the point of swing trading if you cut your wins short with a trailing stop ?.
Kwt4x comments :
with no stops" , no swing trader use stops when he read the market correctly.
"hold for days without any protection whatsoever. (Trailing stop)" , what's the point of swing trading if you cut your wins short with a trailing stop ?

Gann about the use of Stop Loss :

'45 Years in Wall Street 1949
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  • #4,698
  • Jul 10, 2022 12:57pm Jul 10, 2022 12:57pm
Quoting Swede
{quote} You are in error on one point...I do not “know” the math...let’s leave it there. And if I did know the math I would still protect my account against losses. The Swiss and the Yen have some very dangerous friends, the Bank of Japan and the Swiss National Bank. Anything can happen at any time that can wipe out an account, sometimes in mere minutes. Call me nervous if you like, but I have survived some very unexpected currency moves in the past 20 years so I am clearly not in your league and never will be. Green pips to you Kt...
wish you the best.
"the public is not yet ready for it" W.D. GANN
  • #4,699
  • Edited 2:33pm Jul 10, 2022 1:17pm | Edited 2:33pm
Gann about the use of Stop Loss

Kwt4x comments :
with no stops" , no swing trader use stops when he read the market correctly.
"hold for days without any protection whatsoever. (Trailing stop)" , what's the point of swing trading if you cut your wins short with a trailing stop ?
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  • #4,700
  • Edited 2:33pm Jul 10, 2022 1:28pm | Edited 2:33pm
Kwt4x comments :
with no stops" , no swing trader use stops when he read the market correctly.
"hold for days without any protection whatsoever. (Trailing stop)" , what's the point of swing trading if you cut your wins short with a trailing stop ?
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