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Quoting tommydoginti
{quote} if it makes you feel more comfortable like other “COVID is a flu” non vaxxers, then the world is actually very safe 0% die from flu, HIV, hepatitis, cancers. Only people die from very rare diseases like Ebola die from it as its direct symptoms include excessive bleeding. Unfortunately this is not the reality and how the statistics is generated. The numbers are not 0.
Once again, I am not a non vaxxer. I and my children have all of the vaccines which eradicate the disease they are intended for. Clearly you have an agenda for pushing vaccines. People do die from flu, HIV, hepatitis, cancer etc. People also die from covid, but not even close to the amount they are stating.
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} Once again, I am not a non vaxxer. I and my children have all of the vaccines which eradicate the disease they are intended for. Clearly you have an agenda for pushing vaccines. People do die from flu, HIV, hepatitis, cancer etc. People also die from covid, but not even close to the amount they are stating.
You have to accept the fact that apple-to-apple comparison and history of public health,

either all statistics are overestimated or underestimated. But there is a general consensus of counting death towards a disease. Car accidents for instance is not disease related death.

The parties who don’t want to stop the pandemic tends to minimise the danger of COVID. You keep stating the number should be too low and against professional definition.

I agreed with you on vaccines fainting in effectiveness and nonsense in forcing it. But death toll is not about vaccine anymore

Why do you want COVID to continue and ignore the risk of the disease?
Quoting tommydoginti
{quote} please read the paper in my last post. It is for under 40
and where are the numbers for 2 years? 5 years? 10 years? Oh, right, we don't have those yet. We are just getting started, my friend, it's been under 1 year.
You're completely missing the point here, CDC says 99.2% survive without vaccine, 99.7% survive with vaccine. These numbers are for EVERYONE. Take out over 65 and obese and what are we 99.8%.
They have also stated natural immunity is FAR SUPERIOR to vaccine. I have had the virus. There is absolutely 0 reward for me getting this "shot". Only risk.
Quoting tommydoginti
{quote} You have to accept the fact that apple-to-apple comparison and history of public health, either all statistics are overestimated or underestimated. But there is a general consensus of counting death towards a disease. Car accidents for instance is not disease related death. The parties who don’t want to stop the pandemic tends to minimise the danger of COVID. You keep stating the number should be too low and against professional definition. I agreed with you on vaccines fainting in effectiveness and nonsense in forcing it. But death toll...
At this point, the vaccine is either a. causing people to get covid or b. weakening the immune system to the point it cannot fight it. The game is over. The CDC, the governments, they've been exposed. Now they are simply trying to cover up what they have done.
Actually, quite the opposite. The parties who wish to continue the charade are the ones pushing this shot and blocking all early treatment therapeutics. Why are they doing that? Why did they just cease all monoclonal antibody infusions? If it's because they are not effective against Omicron, that's kind of hypocritical, don't you think NEITHER IS THE SHOT!!!!!!!
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} At this point, the vaccine is either a. causing people to get covid or b. weakening the immune system to the point it cannot fight it. The game is over. The CDC, the governments, they've been exposed. Now they are simply trying to cover up what they have done.
Okay.

You said it has 0 reward for YOU.
I was talking about the population, multiple people.

we are talking at completely different scale here.

world peace. From Robinhood1

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Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} At this point, the vaccine is either a. causing people to get covid or b. weakening the immune system to the point it cannot fight it. The game is over. The CDC, the governments, they've been exposed. Now they are simply trying to cover up what they have done.
And I was talking about the death risk of COVID without vaccine in the equation.

It is 1.98%. Like it was 8% for SARS 2004 and 0.02% 2019 Swine Flu

I think we are talking about different things now. But it’s okay to talk about vaccines again.

Quoting tommydoginti
{quote} Those also die with flu or from flu. Actually should be WITH flu as flu itself has no fatal symptoms, they die from complications Death as case outcome is the final condition of the patient when treatment end. It is not discriminative to WITH or FROM. Literally no one die FROM cancer too. They die because they are WITH cancer but FROM vital organ failure Also the COVID related death in entire population is at 0.08%. If you only calculate the proportion of COVID positive patients, that is 1.98%, because COVID cases is 1/23 world population to date
Quoting tommydoginti
{quote} Okay. world peace. From Robinhood1 {image}
Do you work for a pharma company or the government? Must be one of them. Tell you what.....meet me back here on January 26,2025, that will be 4 years after these shots started. Then we can discuss whether this shot was beneficial.
Quoting tommydoginti
{quote} Those also die with flu or from flu. Actually should be WITH flu as flu itself has no fatal symptoms, they die from complications Death as case outcome is the final condition of the patient when treatment end. It is not discriminative to WITH or FROM. Literally no one die FROM cancer too. They die because they are WITH cancer but FROM vital organ failure Also the COVID related death in entire population is at 0.08%. If you only calculate the proportion of COVID positive patients, that is 1.98%, because COVID cases is 1/23 world population...
But the WITH covid numbers are counting people who died from zero complications that would be related to covid. They just happened to have a positive test. In addition, there are WAY more cases than we know of. Many are asymptomatic or just self treated at home without testing or reporting. When combined with the over inflated death number, this brings the 1.98% WAYYYYYYYYYYY DOWN
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} But the WITH covid numbers are counting people who died from zero complications that would be related to covid. They just happened to have a positive test. In addition, there are WAY more cases than we know of. Many are asymptomatic or just self treated at home without testing or reporting. When combined with the over inflated death number, this brings the 1.98% WAYYYYYYYYYYY DOWN

That is wrong. There are two main direct symptomatic death of COVID.

Pulmonary Edema and cardiac arrest (yup, myocariditis related) from cytokine storm. Literally should be death FROM own’s immunity.
Quoting tommydoginti
{quote} Okay. You said it has 0 reward for YOU. I was talking about the population, multiple people. we are talking at completely different scale here. world peace. From Robinhood1 {image}
OK, so what % of the population is in my demographic? Under 65, no underlying health conditions, not obese and had the virus already? This demographic does not need the vaccine. If they would have just targeted the vaccine to elderly and compromised and let the rest obtain natural immunity, we'd be done with this already.
Hate to ask as I know it's going to piss me off, but what is your stance on giving this shot to children. They have a near zero chance of severe illness or death.
Quoting tommydoginti
{quote} That is wrong. There are two main direct symptomatic death of COVID. Pulmonary Edema and cardiac arrest (yup, myocariditis) from cytokine storm. Literally should be death FROM own’s immunity.
and you're actually claiming, with a straight face, that you do not believe there were any covid deaths reported other than those 2? C'mon now, wake up!!!!!
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} and you're actually claiming, with a straight face, that you do not believe there were any covid deaths reported other than those 2? C'mon now, wake up!!!!!
I believe.

That is why HIV has such a high death rate, but HIV itself does not do anything except clearing the patient’s immune system, which the patient can literally live normally (until he got infected by something else not related to HIV)

Same for flu, not strong enough to cause cytokine storm like COVID.

Same for hepatitis, that only cause inflammation and fibrosis

But there are high death toll on these diseases by definition

And COVID has symptoms more influential to death outcome
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Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} Do you work for a pharma company or the government? Must be one of them. Tell you what.....meet me back here on January 26,2025, that will be 4 years after these shots started. Then we can discuss whether this shot was beneficial.
And I really want to put in my opinion in this.

Anti-vax advocation was out even before vaccines were administrated.

That makes me think those behind anti-vax can be Pharmas and Gov, why?

So far vaccine works based on statistics. But if people worked together and successfully eradicate COVID like SARS back in 2004, who benefit least?

The party that earn money from vaccine?
the party that can come up with “good reasons” to seize control of people by the name of pandemic?
Who first said “it is just another flu”?

2025, that is more years of good revenue. Maybe I should start looking for job in Pharmas

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People are clever so things usually happen more subtly than movies. Something especially the theorists should be mindful of should they believe in a “bigger plan”

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This is really all you need to know, sums it all up. Early treatment, if not 100% discouraged by the pharma bought CDC would have saved hundreds of thousands from severe illness and death. The last paragraph sums it up.....all of these individuals declined to attend


A doctor who has been offering free telehealth services to COVID-19 patients during the pandemic says that early treatment for COVID-19 works, claiming that he has a 99.99 percent survival rate.
“We have a team of volunteer free doctors that donate their time to help treat these patients that come to us,” Dr. Ben Marble, the founder of myfreedoctor.com, an online medical consultation service, said at a roundtable discussion hosted by Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.) on Jan. 24.
He added, “We deliver the early treatment protocols to them as early as we can, and we have a 99.99 percent survival rate. So, I believe myfreedoctor.com, the free volunteered doctors have settled the science on this—early treatment works, period!”
Marble was answering Johnson’s question about what people can do if they or their loved ones have COVID-19.
People can visit the website myfreedoctor.com, create an account, and fill out a patient intake form if the doctors are accepting new patients for that day. One of the doctors will then reach out in less than 24 hours. With a huge demand for their services, the physicians say they can only “accept a certain number of patients each day.”
Marble says that he and his small team of volunteer doctors prescribe [Dr. Peter] McCullough’s treatment protocol, which consists of hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin, monoclonal antibodies, prednisone, and other low-cost generic drugs. They also prescribe vitamins D and C, and zinc.
Vitamin C bottles were on display in Miami, Florida on June 15, 2001. (Joe Raedle/Getty Images)
McCullough, a cardiologist, and epidemiologist, along with several physicians put together an early treatment protocol to provide outpatient care for COVID-19 patients. Their paper was published in The American Journal of Medicine in August 2020.
Dr. Pierre Kory, a pulmonologist and the President at the Frontline COVID-19 Critical Care (FLCCC) Alliance, says that the public is not aware that there are doctors across the country who will provide telehealth and early treatment for COVID-19.
“On our website, we have a button, which says find a provider. We’ve tried to collect as many telehealth providers that treat all states in the country,” Kory said.
“We are trying to let that message be known because that message is being suppressed that this disease is treatable,” he added.
Kory also claims that there is corruption at the federal level in suppressing early treatment with repurposed cheap drugs and their availability and that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has been “captured by the pharmaceutical industry.”
“The corruption is because they don’t want you to use off-label, repurposed generic medicines. It does not provide profit to the system,” Kory said, adding that, “you know what’s going on in this country right now, is that the CDC has been captured by the pharmaceutical industry.”
“They sent out a memo in August of 2021, they sent out a similar memo back in the spring 2020, telling the nation’s physicians and pharmacists not to use generic medicines.”
The Epoch Times has reached out to the CDC for comment.
Early treatments were and continue to be discouraged by the CDC, whose guidance since the beginning of the pandemic up until January 2022, only focused on people self-quarantining for 14 days, keeping hydrated, taking analgesics, and only seeking hospital care when they can’t breathe or turn blue. They also warned people to not take any medications not approved for COVID-19.
“People have been seriously harmed and even died after taking products not approved for use to treat or prevent COVID-19, even products approved or prescribed for other uses,” the CDC wrote on its potential treatments webpage.
The weblink provided for the alleged harmful product was related to a March 2020 health alert warning of a serious health effect from ingesting non-pharmaceutical chloroquine phosphate used to clean fish tanks. This alert came after an Arizona man and his wife took the non-pharmaceutical drug in an attempt to self-medicate for COVID-19.
For the past two years, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has only authorized limited early outpatient treatments for COVID-19 that include monoclonal antibodies for high-risk patients and antiviral pills from Merck and Pfizer. However, the FDA on Jan. 24 announced it was limiting the use of Eli Lilly and Regeneron monoclonal antibodies only to patients “likely to have been infected with or exposed to a variant that is susceptible to these treatments.”
Johnson held the roundtable discussion to offer a different perspective on the response to the pandemic, including on “the current state of knowledge of early and hospital treatment, vaccine efficacy and safety, what went right, what went wrong, what should be done now, and what needs to be addressed long term.”
The discussion panel consisted of renowned health experts and scientists that included McCullough, Dr. Robert Malone, and Dr. Paul Marik.
According to a press release, Johnson also invited over a dozen prominent figures involved in developing, promoting, and leading the pandemic response, including the CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky and White House Coronavirus Response Coordinator Jeffrey Zients. All of the individuals declined to attend the forum.
Quoting pipmaster77
This is really all you need to know, sums it all up. Early treatment, if not 100% discouraged by the pharma bought CDC would have saved hundreds of thousands from severe illness and death. The last paragraph sums it up.....all of these individuals declined to attend A doctor who has been offering free telehealth services to COVID-19 patients during the pandemic says that early treatment for COVID-19 works, claiming that he has a 99.99 percent...
Woo the Epoch Times. Oh so "COVID is just another flu" that wants the Pandemic to go on... from whom it supports...

I think this article has some false information that needed to be clarified

Early treatment, if not 100% discouraged by the pharma bought CDC would have saved hundreds of thousands from severe illness and death.

False. NIH has a guideline for early outpatient treatment since the beginning of pandemic. Its drug recommendation once involved generic drugs, mentioned in the later part of the article, when they were under EUA without any proper clinical trials. It was because then, there was not a single COVID drug completing the trials yet.

FDA even approved a pre-exposure (prevention) drug for COVID!

We have a team of volunteer free doctors that donate their time to help treat these patients that come to us

I do have a question here - 1) Any person go through a PCR test (ART test is not an "under infection" indication, if want to discuss, welcome because I am molecular background) and tested positive would be gone through treatment immediately, so they don't need third-party help. 2) I checked the freedoctor.com, they don't mention any panel of molecular biology background technicians. Physicians are not trained to do PCR tests not to mention needing a accredited molecular laboratory.

How on earth can they get in touch of a tested-positive COVID patient not already taking medication under treatment protocol!?!? (There is outpatient treatment guidelines in literally all countries) These "patients" must be under treatment once tested positive and confirmed as COVID
If they are treating non-COVID patients that only because they cough, or discharged patients, even 99.99999% is not a surprising number.

Marble says that he and his small team of volunteer doctors prescribe [Dr. Peter] McCullough’s treatment protocol
Their paper was published in The American Journal of Medicine in August 2020

I read about it, and interestingly, FDA accepts generic medicine to be approved or EUA (ivermectin ALONE as treatment was EUA). Cocktail is accepted to apply EUA.
If Dr. McCullough believes the cocktail treatment works, he could have applied for EUA of the cocktail, and may even get funded or subsided.
Why didn't he do it?
Why just publish a research paper and yell?

Early treatments were and continue to be discouraged by the CDC

CDC discourage a random person making decisions on medicine consumption by themselves, without seeking medical advise. Because 1) A accredited PCR test has to be done to confirm current COVID infection status. and 2) The article has mentioned, examples of drug overdose, deaths, because of ignorance.
The guideline has no legal restriction (FDCA section 564) of not allowing to use any drugs including generic drugs, doctors can prescript any medicines they want on their own risk.

(FDA) has only authorized limited early outpatient treatments for COVID-19 ... for high-risk patients and antiviral pills from Merck and Pfizer

FDA has approved a total of 17 drugs since the beginning. According to the EUA terms, it is an Elite system and only the ones with highest effectiveness can stay, so there is turnover, replace, and revoke. For example, Eli Lilly's EUA approved Bamlanivimab was EUA, and then renewed to another EUA involving it and a newer drug as cocktail. The very possible path is change of composition and a new EUA.

And WHF is only "high-risk"!? FDA even approved a pre-exposure (prevention) drug for COVID!

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The more I read, the more dodgy I sense.

1) Why didn't Dr Mccullough submit the cocktail for EUA? The door is always open. Funding is so easy now with COVID related projects
2) Why the article misleads readers? FDA approved drugs from prevention, mild infection to ICU.
3) How come a bunch of physicians, without accredited molecular professionals and labs, able to access to COVID patients out of official healthcare system?

Why they write the article this way and why those doctors don't take the easy and straightforward actions to realize their visions and findings?

Interesting
Quoting tommydoginti
{quote} Woo the Epoch Times. Oh so "COVID is just another flu" that wants the Pandemic to go on... from whom it supports... I think this article has some false information that needed to be clarified Early treatment, if not 100% discouraged by the pharma bought CDC would have saved hundreds of thousands from severe illness and death. False. NIH has a guideline for early outpatient treatment since the beginning of pandemic. Its drug recommendation once involved generic drugs, mentioned in the later part of the article, when they were under EUA without...
Yeah, knew you wouldn't like the Epoch Times lol. Already knew that was coming. Many doctors have reported their findings on treatments, THEY ARE BLOCKED. They are all discouraged from anything but "the shot". I know CNN doesn't report these things, but you have to open your mind just a little bit.
It's all good though. Like I said wait 3-4 years, when the full effects of the vaccine have hit the masses. I certainly hope not, but time will tell.
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Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} Yeah, knew you wouldn't like the Epoch Times lol. Already knew that was coming. Many doctors have reported their findings on treatments, THEY ARE BLOCKED. They are all discouraged from anything but "the shot". I know CNN doesn't report these things, but you have to open your mind just a little bit.

Every single submission for FDA EUR is immediately recorded on a open database. Even if FDA is so cunning to remove the records, unable to beat the speed of public and screenshots.

Any doctors should simply submit the EUA for their cocktails, take a screen shot immediately after application, then it can prove me wrong 100%

But why not a single person in this group do anything?

Maybe you should go check what FDA recommends? Besides the “only high-risk”
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Quoting pipmaster77
It's all good though. Like I said wait 3-4 years, when the full effects of the vaccine have hit the masses. I certainly hope not, but time will tell.
Lets talk theorist since you like it more than the hard truth presented even by yourself

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I really think you are the one working for Pharmas.

Good example of negative marketing. Putting out something actually useful, but spread rumours of it as harmful, divert blame to governments.

people don’t trust it and not taking it. Then Pandemic spreads, so severely that it can now last for years. Finally people have no choice but to use your products, then they will work. Be a very rich hero

If I have to choose between
1) all nations work together (world peace!) to make up false numbers to promote all fake remedies of COVID, or
2) a small group spreading rumours to provoke distrust between people and gov in the already tense political environment, and standing in the shadow sucking profit from the world that eventually have no choice but to rely them.

2) is much more plausible no doubt.

clever

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But the fact is regardless of the standpoint, the article is wrong about some facts that you can verify yourself without me convincing you
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} Yeah, knew you wouldn't like the Epoch Times lol. Already knew that was coming. Many doctors have reported their findings on treatments, THEY ARE BLOCKED. They are all discouraged from anything but "the shot". I know CNN doesn't report these things, but you have to open your mind just a little bit.
TBH It is more a propaganda with false information. Really? Do they believe everyone is stupid?

I don’t think they are blocked.
They just do nothing but yelling they had.
trying to make people blame the gov, demonise the system. Why none of them show the rejection letter of the clinical trial application? Or at least their applications?

there are currently 7385 COVID related clinical trials, with US federal as a funding source, worldwide.

And I just briefly searched just one component
Like 78 of them in “active” status
but none of those “doctors” involved

why do they lie and play victim?
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