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Quoting tommydoginti
{quote} Actually, the death outcome of seasonal flu is around 0.013%, swine flu has similar death outcome at 0.02%. Note that is among positive cases. Looking at COVID, currently 1 in 23 world population has got COVID (350Mil / 7.9Bil), with 1.98% death as outcome. So it is >100 time more deadly than seasonal flu take care
How can it be 100x more deadly than seasonal flu? Flu kills almost a million people every year!

2018 in Germany, there was such a bad flu season, hospitals were full in some regions, patients on the floor, nothing other than flu was taken care of, shortage of doctors, nurses, everything...if you saw the pictures now, you would think it must be from now...but no...flu pandemics were real, just not daily on TV and nobody asked about your flu shot when you wanted to eat at a restaurant. This is all just political...and I hope someone will pay for it in the end!
Everyone can see the chart, but only a few can actually read it.
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Quoting OnlineAddict
{quote} How can it be 100x more deadly than seasonal flu? Flu kills almost a million people every year!
The H1N1 pandemic only accounted for <570k death worldwide. US reported ~67k. That is far from “million” unless you are rounding up numbers (good elementary math)

That is like the peak death year for a flu

BTW, the death rates are calculated and in the database of multiple countries/organisations, I am not the one doing the calculation, simply reposting their figures, such as

flu 0.013%
swine flu 0.02%
COVID 1.98%

Let’s hope the statisticians have passed their elementary math.
Quoting tommydoginti
{quote} The H1N1 pandemic only accounted for <570k death worldwide. US reported ~67k That is like the peak death year for a flu BTW, the death rates are calculated and in the database of multiple countries/organisations, I am not the one doing the calculation, simply reposting their figures, such as flu 0.013% swine flu 0.02% COVID 1.98% Let’s hope the statisticians have passed their elementary math.
Please stop this nonsense. There is no way around covid these days...more than 50% of the population must have had it over the past 2 years, if not 2/3. Either all "experts" were lying how contagious Delta was and now Omicron, or most people were already exposed to it. Unless you live somewhere under a rock...but most people don't. Most people have no symptoms...they were never tested, they are in no statistics. 1 in 50 dead? No way you can believe such nonsense?

My last post on this topic, as some people are so brainwashed by the media, they have no brain left to use anymore. No common sense in sight, so I just let them believe what they want to believe.
Everyone can see the chart, but only a few can actually read it.
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Quoting OnlineAddict
{quote} Please stop this nonsense. There is no way around covid these days...more than 50% of the population must have had it over the past 2 years, if not 2/3. Either all "experts" were lying how contagious Delta was and now Omicron, or most people were already exposed to it. Unless you live somewhere under a rock...but most people don't. 1 in 50 dead? No way you can believe such nonsense?
Dude I work in this field.

If you believe the people have incentive to try to relate themselves to COVID,

then the statistics is 1 in 23 people in the world have been reported positive for COVID.

within these positive cases, 1.98 in 100 are dead

SARS in 2004 was 8 in 100. Lucky it was contained as epidemic (but unfortunately in HK where I lived and got locked down)

Either both are underestimation or overestimation. Can’t have COVID-related death but not positive for COVID right? If you have doubt better approach the ministry of health or something.

the number is quite aligned with many APAC countries, esp my company revenue by region
Quoting tommydoginti
{quote} The H1N1 pandemic only accounted for <570k death worldwide. US reported ~67k. That is far from “million” unless you are rounding up numbers (good elementary math) That is like the peak death year for a flu BTW, the death rates are calculated and in the database of multiple countries/organisations, I am not the one doing the calculation, simply reposting their figures, such as flu 0.013% swine flu 0.02% COVID 1.98% Let’s hope the statisticians have passed their elementary math.

1.98%??

This is wrong and quite ignorant. In my country we had 0.4% death rate before the Health department admitted that death rate directly attributed to covid was 0.15%. The death rate is even lower than 0.15% because many people who had it never even got tested. Why go take a test when you have flu like symptoms or no symptoms at all?

If you really believe that death rate is 2% then I have Eiffel Tower to sell you.
Quoting xtradex
{quote} 1.98%?? This is wrong and quite ignorant. In my country we had 0.4% death rate before the Health department admitted that death rate directly attributed to covid was 0.15%. The death rate is even lower than 0.15% because many people who had it never even got tested. Why go take a test when you have flu like symptoms or no symptoms at all? If you really believe that death rate is 2% then I have Eiffel Tower to sell you.
I think probably more appropriately would be "who" was dying? What percentage of those vulnerable were dying. Probably quite high and that is why governments were trying to control it.
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Quoting enarco
{quote} I think probably more appropriately would be "who" was dying? What percentage of those vulnerable were dying. Probably quite high and that is why governments were trying to control it.
Good point of "who"

That is the case outcome: 1.98% worldwide

The equation is Total number of death related to COVID / Total positive case of COVID with known outcome

There are 3 "Death rates" people refer to and usually confused

1. Whole-population DEATH rate, COVID-related: 0.08%.
no. of COVID-related death / Whole population (both infected and healthy)

2. Positive case DEATH rate, COVID-related: 1.98%
no. of COVID-related death / COVID Positive cases with known outcome

3. Hospitalization DEATH rate: ?%
no. of COVID-related death / COVID hospitalization cases


This confusion happened in 2004 SARS.
Some say death rate was as low as 0.1%
Official WHO rate is around 8%
Some say death rate was 16.4% etc

The dominators were all different.
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Quoting xtradex
{quote} 1.98%?? This is wrong and quite ignorant. In my country we had 0.4% death rate before the Health department admitted that death rate directly attributed to covid was 0.15%. The death rate is even lower than 0.15% because many people who had it never even got tested. Why go take a test when you have flu like symptoms or no symptoms at all? If you really believe that death rate is 2% then I have Eiffel Tower to sell you.
France is standing at 1.22% Death as outcome
(Closed cases, i.e. the patient either recovered or dead)


The 1.98% Death as case outcome is worldwide. It is higher or lower in different countries.

This rate is demographic-neutral and COVID-related. It doesn't take account into the actual cause of death like many other diseases (flu, cancers, etc)

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Quoting Robinhood1
Your chances of dying from omicron are extremely low. Around 0.1% of people pass away from the seasonal flu each year. You’re far more likely to die on your drive to obtain a COVID test than from the actual virus The mortality rate for specific activities undertaken in the United States: Mountaineering Mortality rate: 0.5988 (/100 participants) Hang gliding Mortality rate 0.1786 (/100 participants) Parachuting Mortality rate: 0.1754 (/100 participants) Boxing Mortality rate: 0.0455 (/100 participants) Mountain hiking Mortality rate: 0.0064 (/100...
I think Robinhood1's post gives a very good example of why death rate is "apparently" so low for COVID yet it is a pandemic and "100x time more deadly than flu"

Racing has a 1% death rate WOW. But how likely is a person participate in GP racing?
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How about Fx trading? Are there 95% losing money among the 9.6million retail traders, or 0.11% people in the world losing money to Fx trading?

So the question is, how likely is a person going to die if he has COVID. That is the question.
Quoting tommydoginti
{quote} I think Robinhood1's post gives a very good example of why death rate is "apparently" so low for COVID yet it is a pandemic and "100x time more deadly than flu" Racing has a 1% death rate WOW. But how likely is a person participate in GP racing? {image} How about Fx trading? Are there 95% losing money among the 9.6million retail traders, or 0.11% people in the...
Interesting how after 2 years we still discuss or debate this. Its the who was dying. Its the digging of mass graves in New York City. Or in Brazil. You see that every year from flu? Did not think so. We cannot equate this to anything else seen since....the Spanish flu earlier last century.

To minimize this by comparison is pointless.

And clearly those with the... this is nothing comparatively...mindset. Have not had anyone placed in those mass graves early on or since. What percent have died is really irrelevant to those who have participated in that number you disregard as insignificant.
Quoting enarco
{quote} Interesting how after 2 years we still discuss or debate this. Its the who was dying. Its the digging of mass graves in New York City. Or in Brazil. You see that every year from flu? Did not think so. We cannot equate this to anything else seen since....the Spanish flu earlier last century. To minimize this by comparison is pointless. And clearly those with the... this is nothing comparatively...mindset. Have not had anyone placed in those mass graves early on or since. What percent have died is really irrelevant to those who have...
Totally agree with you.

It is not wise to say "COVID is just another flu" when the comparison is not equal nor fair.

Also when saying "people are dying WITH a disease and not FROM a disease", remember flu doesn't kill, cancer cells are not toxic, and 0 person in history die FROM hepatitis (but they die from secondary diseases and complications WITH it, ~820,000 related death in 2019).
Quoting tommydoginti
{quote} Dude I work in this field. If you believe the people have incentive to try to relate themselves to COVID, then the statistics is 1 in 23 people in the world have been reported positive for COVID. within these positive cases, 1.98 in 100 are dead SARS in 2004 was 8 in 100. Lucky it was contained as epidemic (but unfortunately in HK where I lived and got locked down) Either both are underestimation or overestimation. Can’t have COVID-related death but not positive for COVID right? If you have doubt better approach the ministry of health or...
died WITH covid, not FROM covid. Big difference. Look the CDC hads now admitted natural immunity from previous infection is far superior to vaccine with no infection. The game is over. White House has officially ended the requirements. Now we just need to prosecute Biden and Fauci for all of the deaths and major adverse effects of the useless shot. I also believe everyone who was made to get the useless jab to keep their job should form a massive lawsuit. You cannot "undo" the shot.
Quoting tommydoginti
{quote} Good point of "who" That is the case outcome: 1.98% worldwide The equation is Total number of death related to COVID / Total positive case of COVID with known outcome There are 3 "Death rates" people refer to and usually confused 1. Whole-population DEATH rate, COVID-related: 0.08%. no. of COVID-related death / Whole population (both infected and healthy) 2. Positive case DEATH rate, COVID-related: 1.98% no. of COVID-related death / COVID Positive cases with known outcome 3. Hospitalization DEATH rate: ?% no. of COVID-related death / COVID...
so the deaths are way overestimated (dies with vs from) and the cases are way underestimated (asymptomatic, not tested, etc). I'll give the benefit of the doubt and cut the 1.98% in half, but I bet it's more like 25% fo that number or around 0.5%.
Quoting tommydoginti
{quote} Totally agree with you. It is not wise to say "COVID is just another flu" when the comparison is not equal nor fair. Also when saying "people are dying WITH a disease and not FROM a disease", remember flu doesn't kill, cancer cells are not toxic, and 0 person in history die FROM hepatitis (but they die from secondary diseases and complications WITH it, ~820,000 related death in 2019).
But yet we compare the covid "vaccine" to other vaccines, which is also an example of the comparison not being equal nor fair.
Quoting tommydoginti
{quote} Totally agree with you. It is not wise to say "COVID is just another flu" when the comparison is not equal nor fair. Also when saying "people are dying WITH a disease and not FROM a disease", remember flu doesn't kill, cancer cells are not toxic, and 0 person in history die FROM hepatitis (but they die from secondary diseases and complications WITH it, ~820,000 related death in 2019).
When 40% of folks in the hospital WITH covid didn't originally go to the hospital with covid symptoms, once again, not a valid comparison. You know when you have the flu, therefore complications from the flu are REALLY from the flu. Cancer cells themselves might not be toxic, but people die FROM cancer. When you step back and look at all of the facts for what they are, without any type of biased opinion, there is simply no way the deaths are not way overestimated and cases are way underestimated. Once again, 40% of people in the hospital went for something completely unrelated. How many folks at home with no symptoms but didn't need to go the hospital for some other reason. Therefore, no idea they ever even had covid.
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Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} When 40% of folks in the hospital WITH covid didn't originally go to the hospital with covid symptoms, once again, not a valid comparison. You know when you have the flu, therefore complications from the flu are REALLY from the flu. Cancer cells themselves might not be toxic, but people die FROM cancer. When you step back and look at all of the facts for what they are, without any type of biased opinion, there is simply no way the deaths are not way overestimated and cases are way underestimated. Once again, 40% of people in the hospital...

if it makes you feel more comfortable like other “COVID is a flu” non vaxxers, then the world is actually very safe

0% die from flu, HIV, hepatitis, cancers. Only people die from very rare diseases like Ebola die from it as its direct symptoms include excessive bleeding.

Unfortunately this is not the reality and how the statistics is generated. The numbers are not 0.
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} But yet we compare the covid "vaccine" to other vaccines, which is also an example of the comparison not being equal nor fair.
The focus should be the vaccine vs the disease

Risk to Reward to say

Such as how much more risky is COVID causing myocarditis in a person, vs by vaccination, and vs infection after vaccination

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01630-0

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Quoting tommydoginti
{quote} The focus should be the vaccine vs the disease Risk to Reward to say Such as how much more risky is COVID causing myocarditis in a person, vs by vaccination, and vs infection after vaccination https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01630-0 {image}
If going risk to reward, if you're under 65 and healthy, there is no reward, only risk
Quoting tommydoginti
{quote} The focus should be the vaccine vs the disease Risk to Reward to say Such as how much more risky is COVID causing myocarditis in a person, vs by vaccination, and vs infection after vaccination https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01630-0 {image}
If going risk to reward, if you're under 65 and healthy, there is no reward, only risk. It's not a vaccine, period. If we want to talk about deaths from covid, how many could have been prevented if proven therapeutics were given early. Early treatment works, our CDC treatment was just go home until you can't breathe or turn blue. Then we will put you on a ventilator to finish you off.
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} If going risk to reward, if you're under 65 and healthy, there is no reward, only risk
please read the paper in my last post.

It is for under 40
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