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  • #34,261
  • Oct 5, 2021 11:36pm Oct 5, 2021 11:36pm
Interesting stuff :

VSA Stocks Presentation. By Philip Friston 26 th January 2019
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  • #34,262
  • Oct 5, 2021 11:44pm Oct 5, 2021 11:44pm
Quoting Shantala
{quote} SL gone
you dont just sell the first minor SOW when we have such a massive up move. you need a change of behavior (COB) then you can look for sells. also with 1min TF catching the turning point when we have moved 200p is very hard. first you need to see sow on higher TF and then you can look for an entry on 1min. for example, 2 bars after your C bar we see on 15m biggest down bar in this massive up move, thats a sign for COB and it engulfs previous candles in the best place below that 4h massive down bar from the previous day so wyckoff UT confirmed. then you can sell, but i would still prefer more signs which came right away on 5min- EvR and ND and WW also showed supply.

p.s.
Phases to my mind are very subjective, it takes a very good understanding of structures first to mark phases correctly.
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  • #34,263
  • Oct 6, 2021 12:51am Oct 6, 2021 12:51am
Quoting freemind
{quote} you dont just sell the first minor SOW when we have such a massive up move. you need a change of behavior (COB) then you can look for sells. also with 1min TF catching the turning point when we have moved 200p is very hard. first you need to see sow on higher TF and then you can look for an entry on 1min. for example, 2 bars after your C bar we see on 15m biggest down bar in this massive up move, thats a sign for COB and it engulfs previous candles in the best place below that 4h massive down bar from the previous day so wyckoff UT confirmed....
I think its just like Anotan says about the "labelling" not being as important as actually understanding what is happening.

I will say that the phase C in type 1 schematics are pretty easy to spot though as they stand out like a sore thumb.

And phase A and D are relatively easy to spot. Phase B is a bit more complex.

But type 2,3,4 schematics can get a bit harder to spot phases and obviously take a bit more exoerience.

But even if different traders label a schematic in different ways, they could all still be right.

Im in a an actual wyckoff group which tbh I dont use anymore as some of the stuff is totally beyond me (hence the reason for learning VSA ). But what I do notice from the experienced wyckoffians there, is that its more about understanding the story of the cause, and how SM induces and grabs liquidity at each end of the range, along with volume and this is what helps define the phases
  • #34,264
  • Oct 6, 2021 1:11am Oct 6, 2021 1:11am
Bleh...

Price maybe just coming back down to retest. If it's bearish price should mark through 111.54 quickly.

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Looking at M15 I don't think I will re enter long. Looks like price tried to rally followed by a heavy down bar. Too bearish for me.

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  • #34,265
  • Oct 6, 2021 1:32am Oct 6, 2021 1:32am
why looking for buying ... selling is better option in EU/LDN time, if i would trade USDJPY the marks were my possible entry till New York with target the horizontal lines

just my thought .... could be wrong
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  • #34,266
  • Oct 6, 2021 1:33am Oct 6, 2021 1:33am
HG, are you called "VolumeJedi" over at Traders Laboratory?

Some of the chart descriptions seem similair
  • #34,267
  • Oct 6, 2021 1:40am Oct 6, 2021 1:40am
Quoting freemind
{quote} you dont just sell the first minor SOW when we have such a massive up move. you need a change of behavior (COB) then you can look for sells. also with 1min TF catching the turning point when we have moved 200p is very hard. first you need to see sow on higher TF and then you can look for an entry on 1min. for example, 2 bars after your C bar we see on 15m biggest down bar in this massive up move, thats a sign for COB and it engulfs previous candles in the best place below that 4h massive down bar from the previous day so wyckoff UT confirmed....
Totally agree with you.
1) First we need to see SOW and then actual Weakness.
2) Then only, fine tune your entry on lower time frame.

No doubt phases are a bit subjective.
  • #34,268
  • Oct 6, 2021 1:41am Oct 6, 2021 1:41am
Quoting Paulscaff1
{quote} I think its just like Anotan says about the "labelling" not being as important as actually understanding what is happening. I will say that the phase C in type 1 schematics are pretty easy to spot though as they stand out like a sore thumb. And phase A and D are relatively easy to spot. Phase B is a bit more complex. But type 2,3,4 schematics can get a bit harder to spot phases and obviously take a bit more exoerience. But even if different traders label a schematic in different ways, they could all still be right. Im in a an actual wyckoff...
Agree "labelling" not being as important as actually understanding what is happening.
  • #34,269
  • Edited 2:14am Oct 6, 2021 2:02am | Edited 2:14am
USDCHF M15

Test bar into LO HB, lets see how it plays out.

This might put my risk management/early closing to the test

Edit: Ive just closed this after remembering Pres's rule about HB trades.....theres not much room to the zone high to justify an M15 entry, therefore carries a higher risk.
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  • #34,270
  • Oct 6, 2021 2:19am Oct 6, 2021 2:19am
Quoting Paulscaff1
USDCHF M15 Test bar into LO HB, lets see how it plays out. This might put my risk management/early closing to the test Edit: Ive just closed this after remembering Pres's rule about HB trades.....theres not much room to the zone high to justify an M15 entry, therefore carries a higher risk. {image}
just my thought ... could be wrong
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  • #34,271
  • Oct 6, 2021 2:49am Oct 6, 2021 2:49am
Quoting Cyberforex
{quote} just my thought ... could be wrong {image}
You could be right, previous area of supply, and the retracement looks corrective. I would need to see YHVZ Low broken to look for shorts though.
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  • #34,272
  • Oct 6, 2021 2:58am Oct 6, 2021 2:58am
Quoting Paulscaff1
{quote} You could be right, previous area of supply, and the retracement looks corrective. I would need to see YHVZ Low broken to look for shorts though. {image}
looking for long still be OK but not in the EU/LDN Time maybe in NY Time, before going up again the weak Background should cleared up ... it is just about the timing ... just my thought ... could be wrong ...

Note : USDCHF - H1 chart
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  • #34,273
  • Oct 6, 2021 3:03am Oct 6, 2021 3:03am
Quoting Cyberforex
{quote} looking for long still be OK but not in the EU/LDN Time maybe in NY Time, before going up again the weak Background should cleared up ... it is just about the timing ... just my thought ... could be wrong ... Note : USDCHF - H1 chart {image}
Are you dogol?
  • #34,274
  • Oct 6, 2021 3:08am Oct 6, 2021 3:08am
my Sell entry for GOLD (a bit delay) ... target 100 pips, reason - No demand ... lets see .. could be wrong
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  • #34,275
  • Oct 6, 2021 3:10am Oct 6, 2021 3:10am
Quoting Anotan
{quote} Are you dogol?
yes dogol is my old username, dogol means stupid in my language hahaha ...
  • #34,276
  • Oct 6, 2021 3:21am Oct 6, 2021 3:21am
Quoting Cyberforex
{quote} yes dogol is my old username, dogol means stupid in my language hahaha ...
Thats some promotion youve given yourself, from "dogol" to Cyberforex
  • #34,277
  • Edited 3:37am Oct 6, 2021 3:24am | Edited 3:37am
Quoting Paulscaff1
{quote} Thats some promotion youve given yourself, from "dogol" to Cyberforex
thats why I changed from dogol to cyberforex .... stupid time is over ... hahaha ... still learning tough always ...
  • #34,278
  • Oct 6, 2021 6:08am Oct 6, 2021 6:08am
Pres, just wondering if you would have taken this Pres 2BR setup. (ignoring the MA)

The 2nd bar didnt quite make it to 50% of bar 1, more like 45%.

I didnt take it due to the aggressive move down.

Whats your thoughts?, cheers
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  • #34,279
  • Oct 6, 2021 6:22am Oct 6, 2021 6:22am
Quoting Paulscaff1
Pres, just wondering if you would have taken this Pres 2BR setup. (ignoring the MA) The 2nd bar didnt quite make it to 50% of bar 1, more like 45%. I didnt take it due to the aggressive move down. Whats your thoughts?, cheers {image}
No as the move down was quite aggressive and that zone H is very close. I'd want to see a new break of the H or at least very clear signs that buyers are there and sellers are not.
Today's zone = Tomorrow's opportunity!
  • #34,280
  • Oct 6, 2021 6:24am Oct 6, 2021 6:24am
Quoting pres78
{quote} No as the move down was quite aggressive and that zone H is very close. I'd want to see a new break of the H or at least very clear signs that buyers are there and sellers are not.
Also, as I am sure you have seen me say... if you are going to ignore the MA... take it off. Drives me nuts when people have a MA on their charts and constantly trade against it.
Today's zone = Tomorrow's opportunity!
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