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  • #61
  • Nov 18, 2018 6:12pm Nov 18, 2018 6:12pm
Any Bourbon fans here?
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  • #62
  • Dec 12, 2018 5:43pm Dec 12, 2018 5:43pm
Quoting warrensapp
Any Bourbon fans here?
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  • #63
  • Dec 14, 2018 3:55pm Dec 14, 2018 3:55pm
Post #1 edited as follows:

The Cigar Lounge is a place to talk about your favorite smokes, beverages and things you enjoy in general. Post your fav music and movie choices. In addition The Cigar lounge is for robust discussion on any topic. Nothing is off limits here as long as admin doesn't ban us. LOL. However try to maintain a reasonable degree of respect and civility. If your'e faint of heart and easily offended don't bother posting here as your feelings are likely to get bruised. Remember it's ok to agree to disagree. Anyway there are other threads where Kool Aid is the beverage of choice.
  • #64
  • Dec 14, 2018 4:24pm Dec 14, 2018 4:24pm
I'm a proud American and make no excuses or apologies for being such or for America in general. As a Patriot I believe in standing for the American flag and those who disrespect it are not Patriots in my book. I believe America was founded on Judeo-Christian principles and I reject those who attempt to eliminate religion of any kind. I am a Christian but I have respect for those who are not Christian and I will fight for their right to express their religion in the U.S.

I am pro-life and not afraid to engage in debate regarding this very controversial issue. This is not to say I am not compassionate. I do not judge or condemn anyone who has made the very difficult decision to terminate an unwanted pregnancy.

I am a textual and originalist when it comes to the US constitution. I believe the Framers knew what they were doing even though it was nearly 300 hundred years ago. Those dudes were very smart. I do not believe the constitution should be altered as a matter of convenience. Currently there are only a couple of ways to amend the constitution and both of them are fortunately very difficult.

I believe Federal Judges are out of control and have assumed powers not meant by the Framers. They have essentially become the most powerful branch of government basically legislating and creating new law from the bench.

I see everyone the same and I could care less what color you are and I will treat you as such. I do and will respect your heritage, country of birth and your customs. However if you immigrate to the US then You have an obligation to assimilate and not attempt to fundamentally change American culture. Of course you have the right to practice your religion and your customs but you should not expect special dispensation to do so.

Well that's a start. Looking forward to honest and spirited debate!
  • #65
  • Dec 14, 2018 4:52pm Dec 14, 2018 4:52pm
https://www.cagle.com/michael-shannon-2/2018/12/america-at-a-rubicon-moment-and-maga-isnt-enough
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  • Dec 15, 2018 7:14am Dec 15, 2018 7:14am
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  • Dec 15, 2018 7:28am Dec 15, 2018 7:28am
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  • #68
  • Dec 17, 2018 5:01am Dec 17, 2018 5:01am
I think her comment trumps any speech the left is always criticizing Trump for. But since she is a liberal she'll get a pass.

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  • #69
  • Edited 2:13am Dec 31, 2018 1:50am | Edited 2:13am
A little secret, I used to be the hardest of righties.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thu8DWsirJo

Edit, not sure what is going on with FF and the linking system.
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  • #70
  • Jan 3, 2019 8:00pm Jan 3, 2019 8:00pm
Quoting jmn5611
A little secret, I used to be the hardest of righties. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thu8DWsirJo Edit, not sure what is going on with FF and the linking system.
It's really not about right or left. I am conservative favoring individual rights over the collective and as little government in my life as possible. Similar is my disdain for socialism/communism which has failed and continues to fail in countries that embrace such. This philosophy is in line with my Christian belief and also my researched understanding of the mostly Christian founding of the United States.
  • #71
  • Jan 5, 2019 8:19am Jan 5, 2019 8:19am
Quoting Winston Reed
{quote} It's really not about right or left. I am conservative favoring individual rights over the collective and as little government in my life as possible. Similar is my disdain for socialism/communism which has failed and continues to fail in countries that embrace such. This philosophy is in line with my Christian belief and also my researched understanding of the mostly Christian founding of the United States.
If your philosophy is in line with Christian belief then you would do well to re read what your Savior told you.

Jesus would have
1. completely eschewed war.
2. abandoned wealth
3. clothed the naked
4. fed the hungry
5. sheltered the homeless
6. cared for the sick
7. paid his taxes

If the USA were based on Christianity and not Freemasonry the world would be a much different place.

But again, your beliefs are just that, beliefs, and they are not consistent. The facts are that the Founders literally wrote down what they wanted this country to be, and the word God is not in any of the founding documents. It is odd that people today would debate what the founders meant when they wrote it down! If they wanted this nation to be Christian one, do you seriously think they would have omitted that small detail?
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  • #72
  • Edited 6:48pm Jan 9, 2019 4:55pm | Edited 6:48pm
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} If your philosophy is in line with Christian belief then you would do well to re read what your Savior told you. Jesus would have 1. completely eschewed war. 2. abandoned wealth 3. clothed the naked 4. fed the hungry 5. sheltered the homeless 6. cared for the sick 7. paid his taxes If the USA were based on Christianity and not Freemasonry the world would be a much different place. But again, your beliefs are just that, beliefs, and they are not consistent. The facts are that the Founders literally wrote down what they wanted this country...
The Bible is full of war and there is much more war to come as is foretold. It's inappropriate to discuss personal charity and tithing but I agree with helping the naked, hungry and homeless. I just think it should be done personally and from one's heart and not by impersonal forced "charity" via involuntary confiscation of citizens money which is completely not biblical. The scriptures actually deal with how the poor should be taken care of. I may provide details on this later if your interested but I want to concentrate on "abandoned wealth".

Luke Ch. 19 vs. 11-27 is a Parable of Money Usage. It is about a nobleman who is going to inherit a kingdom. He left money with ten of his slaves and asked them to do business with the money as they saw fit. When the nobleman came back he asked his slaves to know what business they had done. One of the slaves increased his money 10 times so the Nobleman said he would charge that slave with 10 cities in his kingdom. Another slave said he increased his money x5 so the nobleman said he would put him in charge of 5 cities. Another slave said he was afraid to do anything with it fearing he might lose it. The nobleman declared this slave worthless and took away his money and gave it to the one that increased is money x10.

So wealth is not the problem rather it what one does with one's wealth. No where in the Bible is wealth deemed evil. In fact many of God's chosen one's were very wealthy.

I assume you think my beliefs are inconsistent because you view conservatives as being counter or insensitive to the list you posted here. But you are completely wrong and the parable above is only one example of this.

David Barton of www.wallbuilders.com (http://www.wallbuilders.com) is probably the leading expert on this nation's Christian heritage. He has published a Bible called "the Founders' Bible". Worth a visit and the read.

I'm aware of the Freemason's involvement in our country.
  • #73
  • Jan 9, 2019 5:52pm Jan 9, 2019 5:52pm
Quoting Winston Reed
{quote} The Bible is full of war and there is much more war to come as is foretold. It's inappropriate to discuss personal charity and tithing but I agree with helping the naked, hungry and homeless. I just think it should be done personally and from one's heart and not by impersonal forced "charity" via involuntary confiscation of citizens money which is completely not biblical. The scriptures actually deal with how the poor should be taken care of. I may provide details on this later if your interested but I want to concentrate on "abandoned wealth"....
May I ask what the difference is between "the Founders Bible", and any other bible out there today?

May I also ask why this guy thinks the Founders did not know what they themselves wrote when they wrote the first phrase of the first amendment in the constitution?

Lastly, I went to Luke11-27, and that is not the place where that parable is. I am thinking you may have been a victim of propaganda, Winston.
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  • #74
  • Jan 9, 2019 6:35pm Jan 9, 2019 6:35pm
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} If your philosophy is in line with Christian belief then you would do well to re read what your Savior told you. Jesus would have 1. completely eschewed war. 2. abandoned wealth 3. clothed the naked 4. fed the hungry 5. sheltered the homeless 6. cared for the sick 7. paid his taxes If the USA were based on Christianity and not Freemasonry the world would be a much different place. But again, your beliefs are just that, beliefs, and they are not consistent. The facts are that the Founders literally wrote down what they wanted this country...
The fact that God is not mentioned in the founding documents is oft use in an attempt to "prove" that Christianity had nothing to do with America's founding. The founding fathers are prodigiously quoted as using the Bible not only as inspiration but as the basis for their thought pattern as they created the US constitution. Fifty-two of Fifty-six signers of the US constitution were Christians. The Declaration of Independence uses the term inalienable rights which are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Inalienable rights are God-given. But if you're an atheist then you might say that they are natural rights endowed by nature. The idea that the word "God" must be mentioned in the US constitution to prove its Christian founding is somewhat simple-minded. The hundreds and probably thousands of quotes preserved on original documents proves that the founding fathers used the Bible and Christianity as they wrote the US constitution. But let's entertain the fact that "God" is not mentioned.

At the Church I attend we have meetings that are conducted in a professional manner that deal with budgeting, election of officers and other matters. There is a set of bylaws that govern how these meetings are conducted. If you read the bylaws there is not one word mentioning God yet I assure that the principles guiding the bylaws are Christian based.

Man is charged by God to govern its citizens and he gives man the freedom to establish such laws as man sees fit. The writing of such laws and guidelines do not necessarily mandate the inclusion of the word "God" or that God said "you will do it this way". They are just guidelines, instructions, policies, procedures, etc., etc. But as we establish such laws, guidelines, instructions, policies, procedures, etc. etc. that are particular to the situation then it may or may not be done according to a Christian foundation. So the creation of a mundane set of statements guiding a particular segment of man's life needn't necessarily include the word "God".

The US constitution is actually quite boring to read although its meaning and intention is quite profound. It's interesting that the First Amendment says that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion...." The founders did this intentionally because they did not intend to establish a theocracy but rather a republic. A theocracy demands the practice of a religion with penalties for not doing so. God does not want people to be forced to come to him. He wants them to come willingly. The Founders understood this and the constitution reflects this.
  • #75
  • Jan 9, 2019 6:44pm Jan 9, 2019 6:44pm
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} May I ask what the difference is between "the Founders Bible", and any other bible out there today? May I also ask why this guy thinks the Founders did not know what they themselves wrote when they wrote the first phrase of the first amendment in the constitution? Lastly, I went to Luke11-27, and that is not the place where that parable is. I am thinking you may have been a victim of propaganda, Winston.
Sorry it is Chapter 19 vs 11-27. My bad.

It's a New American Standard Bible with many interjections of biblically inspired commentaries supporting the Christian founding of America.

Don't be so quick to judge a mistake. I could say you are a victim of propaganda also to justify a likely false notion of what I might think about you but I won't. I will respect your views and in a respectful discourse will back-up my beliefs. In the end I'm fine with agreeing to disagree.
  • #76
  • Jan 9, 2019 7:12pm Jan 9, 2019 7:12pm
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} If your philosophy is in line with Christian belief then you would do well to re read what your Savior told you. Jesus would have 1. completely eschewed war. 2. abandoned wealth 3. clothed the naked 4. fed the hungry 5. sheltered the homeless 6. cared for the sick 7. paid his taxes If the USA were based on Christianity and not Freemasonry the world would be a much different place. But again, your beliefs are just that, beliefs, and they are not consistent. The facts are that the Founders literally wrote down what they wanted this country...
I just noticed something you said. "If they wanted this nation to be Christian one, do you seriously think they would have omitted that small detail?" The founders never said they intended America to be a Christian one. If they did then again we would essentially be dealing with a theocracy.
  • #77
  • Jan 9, 2019 7:27pm Jan 9, 2019 7:27pm
Quoting Winston Reed
{quote} I just noticed something you said. "If they wanted this nation to be Christian one, do you seriously think they would have omitted that small detail?" The founders never said they intended America to be a Christian one. If they did then again we would essentially be dealing with a theocracy.
I find that many of those on the Evangelical right do indeed want this nation to be a theocracy, what is your view on these people?
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  • #78
  • Jan 9, 2019 7:34pm Jan 9, 2019 7:34pm
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} I find that many of those on the Evangelical right do indeed want this nation to be a theocracy, what is your view on these people?
I disagree completely with anyone who imposes any religion on this nation. You say "many". Can you name any? Perhaps it's just a figure of speech.... Also in what way do you feel they want this nation to be a theocracy?
  • #79
  • Jan 9, 2019 7:41pm Jan 9, 2019 7:41pm
Quoting Winston Reed
{quote} I disagree completely with anyone who imposes any religion on this nation. You say "many". Can you name any? Perhaps it's just a figure of speech....
They are all over YouTube, and I do know a few personally. You know the ones that say that Islam is evil and no mosques and all of that. But, you have made the point and appear to be true to Constitution. It is amazing how many "constitutionalists" have never read the document. Right up there with the average Christian, never read the book.

I do not mind principled conservatives. As maker, there are some policies we have in this country that are a bit annoying.
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  • #80
  • Jan 21, 2019 9:27pm Jan 21, 2019 9:27pm
Why on Earth would you buy any iJunk??

I am a Windows guy on principle. I did have one Apple computer, this one.
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