who is pushing the market ?

Going back to my previuos thought, if 90% of traders are loosers, it means that mostly of the times they are on the wrong side of the market.
( I know there could be many other factors involved, like tight stoplosses, money management, and many many other reasons)

But talking in a simple way :
if the price is made from quantity offered and quantity demanded, then this 10% which is winnning, which is on the right side of the market, must own so huge amount of money to move the market in his way.

This said, this 90% of traders, which own less then 50% of capital moved, don't have in any way the power to move the market.

ofcourse I cant resume it in a single trade. I dont mean that 90% of small traders today went long and 10% (institutions) went short.

But fact is that this 10% knows always where to go and push the market togheter...

my personal experience:

I worked for a company giving network assistance for trading floors in london 2 years ago, and I was field engineer.
I went in so many forex trading floors that I dont rembember..

Well, this companies, looked everything, but not poor for sure...
So they are not the loosers for sure..
And probably they are all good to catch the good direction at the same time ! wonder how ! ....

well, as you noticed, (I trade more london session), If London is closed for holidays, the market mostly doesnt move...

So it has to be them to move the price...

Thanks for explanations

I was under the impression that it was 90% of retail traders that were the losers, not necessarily factoring insitutional traders into the equation. If it is all-inclusive, then it would be easy to assume the number of successful retail traders is less than (& potentially much less than) 10%.

Hi a3000gtstud,

Maybe you are right.
I dont know if are meant retail traders or not.
But I have more and more the impression that we always talk 'the market' moves, like we are not the market, like we know, but dont realize, that we are not moving the market..
Who is moving the market ? and well, when the price starts to move, it moves very clearly and quicly in one way, no stops on the way..
Means all retail traders and institutions go the same way, or means that only them are pushing the market ?
Hard to feel we are activly partecipating to the game...

I don't feel that anyone is ganging up on the small investors. With every trade there is a transaction cost (the spread) - for intraday trading you need to be correct approx 55% of the time just to break even after the spread is taken into account. Of course for medium and longer term trading this percentage is less as the spread eats less in to your average profit per trade. Over a number of trades these costs add up and it only takes a bad run (which statistically is ALMOST DEFINETELY going to happen) to compound the problem to send you broke, or to make a sufficiently big dent in your account that traders lose their confidence and give up. Giving up is also a form of losing of course.

Hello everyone , I'm a noob, been taking professional trading lessons for 3 months and playing demo right now. I'm just curious about this stats that 90% -95% traders are losers.Who actually keeps track of this, I mean with the given technolocy and speed of inforamtion that are available today and I see that there are a lot of informative and intellectual people in this forums.You guys probably hit the books night and days.How can we be that bad? Is it fair to say that then only 5-10% of you in this forum are actually winners? I just want to know,because I think we do stand a better chance at least better than 5-10 years ago.

[quote=btran28] I'm just curious about this stats that 90% -95% traders are losers.QUOTE]

Thats funny you bring that up as I was pondering earlier as to if I've ever seen proof of the claim. It's a stat that is often thrown around, but rarely verified. However, I wouldn't dispute the claim due to the difficult nature of trading as well as human nature for many to gravitate towards "easy money."