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  • #5,861
  • Edited 2:45am Aug 20, 2018 2:03am | Edited 2:45am
Quoting VEEFX
{quote} Hi FF, I am curious what evidence do you have that SM algos are not trading against each other's positions? I mean how did you discover about these algos inner-workings (apart from watching charts for years)? From an algorithmic standpoint, unless there is a "central' entity who designed these algos to exclude tickets from other cartels, I find it hard to avoid conflicts with taking off 'friendly' positions. Is there a 3rd party software vendor who designed these algos or are they developed in-house with some common documented principles...
For all intent and purposes ,,,,, they ARE a cartel. They just have to appear not to collude with each other.
I reckon they send each other subtle messages through the media when they are about to make their moves., to avoid trading against each other.
.... laughing all the way to the bank
  • #5,862
  • Aug 20, 2018 2:04am Aug 20, 2018 2:04am
"SM algos are not trading against each other's positions?"

Prisoners' dilemma......

they are better of cooperating than fighting each other...................there is no need for them to compete............on the same note it is in their interest to keep things as they are......................................

but now we live in a time of AWAKENING...

FF
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  • #5,863
  • Aug 20, 2018 2:04am Aug 20, 2018 2:04am
"they ARE a cartel. They just have to be appear not to collude with each other"

Yes.

FF
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  • #5,864
  • Aug 20, 2018 2:06am Aug 20, 2018 2:06am
"Hi FF,
I love your work and thread!
AU M15?"

Welcome dear...

here:
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  • #5,865
  • Aug 20, 2018 2:27am Aug 20, 2018 2:27am
Quoting VEEFX
{quote} Thanks. I am more interested in the mechanics of "algorithmic coordination". Its a fascinating topic and tech has become so advanced that such coordination (what I personally refer to as 'mirror-imaging') is doable even at the individual portfolio level.
Good point. I have no idea how they would achieve this. Maybe FF can throw some light.

Personally, I have spent all my forex life looking for the SM "footprint" ,,,, but I needed to tie a few loose ends which FF helped with, tremendously.

I don't think it would be profitable for SM to work against each other.
.... laughing all the way to the bank
  • #5,866
  • Aug 20, 2018 2:50am Aug 20, 2018 2:50am
Quoting FractalFreak
"Hi FF, I love your work and thread! AU M15?" Welcome dear... here: {image}
Thank you FF.
I follow the AU pair. Questions;
1. Is there a pair that has more obvious potential movements than other pairs?
2. Are there triggers or events that you are on the lookout for look, prior to SM movements (other than the accumulation of stops) that let rise to an increased probability of predicting the timing and direction of SM movements?
3. Do you have a real day job?
PS I love your work!
  • #5,867
  • Aug 20, 2018 2:54am Aug 20, 2018 2:54am
Quoting VEEFX
{quote} The data has to be shared in some common framework somehow for such algo(s) to work in unison. If 1200 drones can be controlled by Intel to design any complex pattern within days/weeks for Olympics then anything is computationally possible but the order-flow data has to be available across these participants to remove any room for conflict of interest.

We will never know how they achieve this. We do not have the resources SM have. It is a futile task to even contemplate a full understanding of algorithmic coordination at that level. The best we can do is have an understanding of what FF has revealed and adapt our strategies to incorporate this. Why does this simple concept need to be infused with unnecessary BS.
  • #5,868
  • Aug 20, 2018 2:54am Aug 20, 2018 2:54am
Quoting VEEFX
{quote} The data has to be shared in some common framework somehow for such algo(s) to work in unison. .
Possibly. But the collusion ,coordination amidst SM is there. It's real.

We just have to mirror SM moves. Think like they do.
.... laughing all the way to the bank
  • #5,869
  • Aug 20, 2018 2:56am Aug 20, 2018 2:56am
Quoting itsallover
{quote} Possibly. But the collusion ,coordination amidst SM is there. It's real. We just have to mirror SM moves. Think like they do.
Precisely.
  • #5,870
  • Aug 20, 2018 3:05am Aug 20, 2018 3:05am
You can use Oanda's tool for the same purpose no need to ask for screenshots.
There is also REST API available with history of the snapshots up to Jan 2017.
Additionaly there is also CME's daily currency options report that can be also incorporated in the strategy. However it requires some dev effort.
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  • #5,871
  • Aug 20, 2018 3:08am Aug 20, 2018 3:08am
Quoting mcquak
You can use Oanda's tool for the same purpose no need to ask for screenshots. There is also REST API available with history of the snapshots up to Jan 2017. {image}
This is a great tool to help us on our journey.

Nice Dude!
  • #5,872
  • Aug 20, 2018 3:36am Aug 20, 2018 3:36am
Quoting davidman
{quote} Why does this simple concept need to be infused with unnecessary BS.
Can we at least try not to stifle debate?

We don't know what angle VEEFX has in mind. Some of the most amazing ideas and inventions were born from improbable concepts.
.... laughing all the way to the bank
  • #5,873
  • Aug 20, 2018 3:48am Aug 20, 2018 3:48am
Quoting itsallover
{quote} Can we at least try not to stifle debate? We don't know what angle VEEFX has in mind. Some of the most amazing ideas and inventions were born from improbable concepts.
hehe... good luck with that!
  • #5,874
  • Aug 20, 2018 4:20am Aug 20, 2018 4:20am
Quoting itsallover
{quote} Can we at least try not to stifle debate? We don't know what angle VEEFX has in mind. Some of the most amazing ideas and inventions were born from improbable concepts.
OK... heres the thing. VEEFX has been on Forex Factory since 2006. Not one thread started. I have yet to see ONE amazing idea or invention. If you can find one please let me know.
What I have seen is disrespect to FF and he has violated the Thread Rules numerous times. If he had not flushed all his posts you would see exactly what I mean. His posts were filled with gobbledygook that made no sense and were, for the most part, irrelevant. His demeanour is also entirely narcissistic. He talks down to everyone.
So... if you think this is cool.... so be it! I rest my case.
  • #5,875
  • Aug 20, 2018 4:29am Aug 20, 2018 4:29am
Quoting davidman
{quote} OK... heres the thing. VEEFX has been on Forex Factory since 2006. Not one thread started. I have yet to see ONE amazing idea or invention. If you can find one please let me know. What I have seen is disrespect to FF and he has violated the Thread Rules numerous times. If he had not flushed all his posts you would see exactly what I mean. His posts were filled with gobbledygook that made no sense and were, for the most part, irrelevant. His demeanour is also entirely narcissistic. He talks down to everyone. So... if you think this is cool.......

,,,clean slate ?

We are not going to beat the SM if we're squabbling with each other. Get it?
.... laughing all the way to the bank
  • #5,876
  • Aug 20, 2018 4:36am Aug 20, 2018 4:36am
Quoting itsallover
{quote} ,,,clean slate ? We are not going to beat the SM if we're squabbling with each other. Get it?
Absolutely. I hope to be with you all the way.
  • #5,877
  • Aug 20, 2018 4:46am Aug 20, 2018 4:46am
Quoting davidman
{quote} Absolutely. I hope to be with you all the way.
The benefits of this thread far outweigh any sinister postings anyone might encounter .

Look at all the short trades you could make money on.

My mistake in the past was to always assume, that when SM enter the market,,,, it means a big move is imminent.
FF has shown us that this is far from being true. SM will push the price down in order to move it up, and then create further confusion and push it down again , before proceeding to push it up.

So, rather than wait for a big move, concentrate on little spurts of movement, frequently.
.... laughing all the way to the bank
  • #5,878
  • Aug 20, 2018 4:50am Aug 20, 2018 4:50am
Quoting itsallover
{quote} The benefits of this thread far outweigh any sinister postings anyone might encounter . Look at all the short trades you could make money on. My mistake in the past was to always assume, that when SM enter the market,,,, it means a big move is imminent. FF has shown us that this is far from being true. SM will push the price down in order to move it up, and then create further confusion and push it down again , before proceeding to push it up. So, rather than wait for a big move, concentrate on little spurts of movement, frequently.

Ah yes... don't you just love it when a plan comes together. Glad to see you also 'get it'. FF will be pleased.

Appreciate the kind gesture.

Regards.
  • #5,879
  • Aug 20, 2018 4:56am Aug 20, 2018 4:56am
Quoting FractalFreak
"Algos will adapt the cycle wil begin again. MY main concern is for you, retail traders generally care for themselves. SM will come after you, we can guess they will use every unethical tools they have. Your ideology to help has to be applauded, however how many will support you.. As it said by the elders *when the sun is ascending all are here but when sun is descending no body is. People will look after themselves, who will look after your back, when you need it." Hi Huzee, maybe that is unfortunately true for many members here, they take what...

FF,
Good to hear, my anxiety levels with my were over the roof for you.
They say that powers that be look after their own.
Stay safe as always.
  • #5,880
  • Aug 20, 2018 5:46am Aug 20, 2018 5:46am
I TP on my long GU.....

love those setups.....

HORRIDO!

FF
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