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  • #12,781
  • Mar 17, 2018 8:40am Mar 17, 2018 8:40am
Well it came from Russia or Russia have lost control of the weaponized version which took 1000s of people working on to develop
Which is Uk position -sounds right

The tiny amount held locally is not weapon grade
are we really considering the Uk would break the law to make military nerve agents, then set them on its own people
its held for antidote development, reference
or US -EU ?
you can see from that guy in Russia's post on the story it's popular to create a divide with the West
Russia has history and pushing the boundaries & following no rules they are a nuclear power don't you know...what to do?
You said it -the stakes are too high to make it up from our side
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  • #12,782
  • Mar 17, 2018 8:44am Mar 17, 2018 8:44am
Vil Mirzayanov (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/russian-spy-attack-cure-nerve-agent-salisbury-poisoning-sergei-skripal-infection-risk-year-a8253771.html), a chemical weapons developer who fled to the US, said Novichoks were up to 10 times more deadly than VX.
He told Reuters the programme involved as many as 30,000 or 40,000 people, including around 1,000 who worked on Novichoks specifically, although many were not aware of the initiative’s true nature.
Dr Mirzayanov said they could be synthesised by mixing harmless compounds together, making it made it easier for Russia to produce the necessary materials under the cover of manufacturing agricultural chemicals.

He described the effects of the chemical including extreme pain and suffocation, as it paralyses the respiratory system, after testing its effects on lab animals.
“Novichok was invented and studied and experimented and many tons were produced only in Russia - nobody knew in this world,” Dr Mirzayanov said, arguing that only the Kremlin would have the capability to deploy the agent.
He claimed that Russia maintained tight control over its Novichok stockpiles and that the agent was too complicated for a non-state actor to have weaponised.
“The Kremlin all the time, like all criminals, denying - it doesn’t mean anything.”
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  • #12,783
  • Mar 17, 2018 11:25am Mar 17, 2018 11:25am
Quoting Bones
...Russia has history and pushing the boundaries & following no rules they are a nuclear power don't you know...what to do? You said it -the stakes are too high to make it up from our side
Right!
By the way the map is dated. Nato military bases are also in Estonia, Latvia, Ukraine, Rumania...
Can you not see the warmongering from the west?
No laws in love and war as they say so anything goes.
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  • #12,784
  • Mar 17, 2018 11:35am Mar 17, 2018 11:35am
Quoting Bones
Well it came from Russia or Russia have lost control of the weaponized version which took 1000s of people working on to develop Which is Uk position -sounds right The tiny amount held locally is not weapon grade are we really considering the Uk would break the law to make military nerve agents, then set them on its own people its held for antidote development, reference or US -EU ? you can see from that guy in Russia's post on the story it's popular to create a divide with the West Russia has history and pushing the boundaries & following...
No? Nothing compared to 9/11 though or WMD.
  • #12,785
  • Mar 17, 2018 11:50am Mar 17, 2018 11:50am
Quoting Bones
...are we really considering the Uk would break the law to make military nerve agents, then set them on its own people ... ?
The ones that died were both Russians.
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  • #12,786
  • Mar 17, 2018 11:50am Mar 17, 2018 11:50am
Re Putin and all this poisoning business, it strikes me that what we've witnessed
these past few weeks is just another game (albeit a lethal one) of political chess
playing ala Zbigniew Brzezinski's Grand Chessboard.

It's always struck me how curiously able these top players are at keeping their
friends close and their enemies closer. I think Putin's stance on Assad and Syria
has p*ssed off a lot of people in "the West".
  • #12,787
  • Mar 17, 2018 12:19pm Mar 17, 2018 12:19pm
Quoting AlexC
{quote} The ones that died were both Russians. {image} {image}
Don't think they've died, but the media is very quiet on that one. Strange things happening!
  • #12,788
  • Mar 17, 2018 12:54pm Mar 17, 2018 12:54pm
Quelle surprise...

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  • Mar 17, 2018 12:58pm Mar 17, 2018 12:58pm
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  • #12,790
  • Mar 17, 2018 1:06pm Mar 17, 2018 1:06pm
Britain 'four meals away from anarchy' if cyber attack takes out power grid
Just about all countries will be in the same situation.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/britain-apos-four-meals-away-060000661.html
  • #12,791
  • Mar 18, 2018 7:52am Mar 18, 2018 7:52am
MH370 seen on Google Earth covered in bullet holes?!
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5839167/missing-flight-mh370-found-on-google-earth-riddled-with-bullet-holes-crash-investigation-expert-claims/amp/
  • #12,792
  • Mar 18, 2018 8:06am Mar 18, 2018 8:06am
I don't see the link your making at all,
let's see how its independently tested, how far you want to take conspiracy theories

Quoting jen101
{quote} No? Nothing compared to 9/11 though or WMD.
America wanted regime change ,no doubt that could have been a good thing without the two sides of Islam and the will of the people to have democracy
Mistakes were made but you're looking at a complex subject -a man that was happy to use chemical weapons on his own people
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  • #12,793
  • Mar 18, 2018 8:07am Mar 18, 2018 8:07am
UN are there because how Russia is acting, they are not the aggressor

Quoting AlexC
{quote} Right! By the way the map is dated. Nato military bases are also in Estonia, Latvia, Ukraine, Rumania... Can you not see the warmongering from the west? No laws in love and war as they say so anything goes. {image}
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  • #12,794
  • Mar 18, 2018 9:14am Mar 18, 2018 9:14am
Quoting Bones
I don't see the link your making at all, let's see how its independently tested, how far you want to take conspiracy theories {quote} America wanted regime change ,no doubt that could have been a good thing without the two sides of Islam and the will of the people to have democracy Mistakes were made but you're looking at a complex subject -a man that was happy to use chemical weapons on his own people
Let's hope there is no link, but don't you think something really fishy is going on when the government is so quick to blame Russia without any proper evidence? Why are Merkel and Macron so quick to back the UK and why is Trump seemingly on side too? The victims aren't even British. It's not like the government really cares about its people against aggressors on UK soil is it?
  • #12,795
  • Mar 18, 2018 10:41am Mar 18, 2018 10:41am
Dev, for you.
https://youtu.be/ocs5O2Gu7BU
  • #12,796
  • Mar 18, 2018 1:11pm Mar 18, 2018 1:11pm
I'm with you it's right to question everything.
The chain in this case is way too long to hold as false. I mean how many people would have to go along with it.
There must be something very specific about the chemical that cannot be reproduced outside a government.
You cant give it to Russia the accused to test. Maybe UK were so swift because of the way last time panned out.
It's the principle ,
the high risk to all public with a outlawed weapon that makes this one so bad or good depending on the goal.
Then Russia's reaction
I can draw a similar conclusion regarding WMD's in that Saddam frustrated inspectors that made him look guilty for whatever reason

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b09w85tc/panorama-taking-on-putin

Quoting jen101
{quote} Let's hope there is no link, but don't you think something really fishy is going on when the government is so quick to blame Russia without any proper evidence? Why are Merkel and Macron so quick to back the UK and why is Trump seemingly on side too? The victims aren't even British. It's not like the government really cares about its people against aggressors on UK soil is it?
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  • #12,797
  • Mar 18, 2018 2:06pm Mar 18, 2018 2:06pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxRiG8vRRBk
  • #12,798
  • Edited 2:49am Mar 19, 2018 2:23am | Edited 2:49am
https://youtu.be/ebH2Y9EtavQ

https://youtu.be/a1EqN2mV2TU
  • #12,799
  • Mar 19, 2018 2:42am Mar 19, 2018 2:42am
Quoting jen101
{quote} Ah, therefore the Russians did it! Do you really think they would be that stupid?
I don't think Putin cares what the UK thinks. He wanted to put on a "hard man of Russia" show for his upcoming election and it worked a treat
  • #12,800
  • Mar 19, 2018 2:52am Mar 19, 2018 2:52am
Quoting jen101
Dev, for you. https://youtu.be/ocs5O2Gu7BU
I know, but the size of that dildo made me feel terribly inadequate
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