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  • Dec 16, 2019 11:30am Dec 16, 2019 11:30am
  •  Igrok
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Quoting kuroro001
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{quote} Maybe in a few years, and it will be crazy But just 22k would be good for me to buy it
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in my view 18K is a must and 5K has 80% chance ... it's a freaking apocalypse...
 
 
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  •  fxtyrant
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Quoting kuroro001
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{quote} Maybe in a few years, and it will be crazy But just 22k would be good for me to buy it
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dear god... the thought of a 5k dow scares me.... not by the fact if the drop but the though of how many jobs are loss and how bad the US economy will need to get to really get there....
We live in a finite world with infinite possibilities.
 
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  • Dec 16, 2019 11:32am Dec 16, 2019 11:32am
  •  kuroro001
  • Joined Jul 2007 | Status: Member | 17,792 Posts
5k, the world will turn into a hard depression really...more than scrary

18/22k is nothing crazy as it will find buyers quickly

Well time will tell once we reach your 28440 or around
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  • Dec 16, 2019 11:34am Dec 16, 2019 11:34am
  •  Igrok
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{quote} first one has symmetry... and second not so much.... but both goes to show you a continuation after the formation.... so its not always the case of it being a selloff......
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once MOT is reached then it comes back...always... no more continuation...
 
 
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  • Dec 16, 2019 11:37am Dec 16, 2019 11:37am
  •  darkmorg
  • | Joined Nov 2008 | Status: salvation lies within | 53 Posts
until the yield curve actually inverts every dip is a buying opportunity. and by actually I mean actually, as in 3M notes have higher interest rates than 30 year bonds. don't get it twisted. the media likes to lie about yield curve inversion when the 5 year is over the 30 year to trick you into selling your shares to the big boys or taking short positions. no no no, we're talking actual inversion here https://stockcharts.com/freecharts/yieldcurve.php 3M>30Y

inverted yield curve = confidence destroyed.

don't be stupid, don't fight the FED. they can print as much money as they want and push as much fugazi info onto the masses as they want.
peace and love
 
 
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  • Dec 16, 2019 11:39am Dec 16, 2019 11:39am
  •  Igrok
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the only overshooting was here on the EUR/GBP... though still comes back after a very long consolidation...
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  •  Igrok
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until the yield curve actually inverts every dip is a buying opportunity. and by actually I mean actually, as in 3M notes have higher interest rates than 30 year bonds. don't get it twisted. the media likes to lie about yield curve inversion when the 5 year is over the 30 year to trick you into selling your shares to the big boys or taking short positions. no no no, we're talking actual inversion here https://stockcharts.com/freecharts/yieldcurve.php 3M>30Y inverted yield curve = confidence destroyed. don't be stupid, don't fight the...
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while do you think all the financial lemmings always drawn themselves simultaneously?... cause they think alike and never question unquestionable...
 
 
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  • Dec 16, 2019 1:04pm Dec 16, 2019 1:04pm
  •  darkmorg
  • | Joined Nov 2008 | Status: salvation lies within | 53 Posts
make no mistake, I think we're all aware that the stock market is getting long in the tooth and will blow up. has before, will happen again. and I'm on board with us bailing it out by demoing the USD. I like Peter Schiff, I'm sure you've listened to him, but he talks like he expects things to happen on the 1 minute chart right after he formulates his hypothesis, and thusly if you follow him too closely you've missed out on the greatest bull market in history. which brings me to the fundamental question of WHY DO WE TRADE? to MAKE MONEY. that's it, that's all. if your strategy is to build a short position over the course of a decade, then by all means go right ahead, but wouldn't it have made more money to click "buy." yeah we know it's going to blow up, and we're blessed to have been given the insight for what to look for when that scenario begins to play out. but in the meantime why do we spend hours staring at candlesticks? to make money. so just click "buy" and make money until you see signs that the lemmings are waking up to what's been obvious to you and I for a long time now
peace and love
 
 
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  •  moneymaker2
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Now, I love technical analysis; I use it almost exclusively trading stock/index options. I have traded options on companies and had no idea what the company even did! But anyone that has played with technical analysis knows that majority of them work simply because they become a self-fulfilling prophecy: i.e., double top drops because people want to unload what they have at the second high because EVERYONE knows it goes down, right?! So people start selling, some to recoup losses between the first and second high and some to make sure they get out before it drops, and when the selling starts, everything drops faster than it goes up (fear is more powerful than greed).

Each long time indicator has a specific expected outcome. Traders know what that expected outcome is and want to make sure they follow it....if price is expected to go down, they sell and if it is expected to go up, they buy. Sometimes technicals become nothing more than a detour sign on the trading road, so people follow the signs. I use a couple of indicators for my options trading that often go against the logical directional thought process that are pretty darned accurate, but they are very short term in nature. But that is how I trade options, so they work very well for me.

I believe the trick to trading technical is to find the ones you believe in so strongly that you will put your money on them being correct. If you have ever drawn an indicator on a chart, you know that you can fill one up with lines and channels and diagonals and all sorts of neat looking things. The way I see it, it is easy to use technical analysis to make a prediction, but you have to believe in it enough to put money in a trade or you aren't really "using" technical analysis.

Bottom line in trading is to make money. If that means jumping on a triple bottom with all the other lemmings as the stock moves up, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. If you use some indicators no one else uses but they help you make money, there is nothing wrong with that. Trading is about making money. You get no bonus points for trading a certain way. But you do need to learn how to make money when the market is going up or down. If you can do that, it reduces the panic of prophecies of doom.

So, if the market does drop back down to 6,000 points, a few well placed PUTs will CERTAINLY allow you to withstand a recession!!….
 
 
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  • Dec 16, 2019 3:46pm Dec 16, 2019 3:46pm
  •  Edd111111
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Hi @Igor,
Did the people you interview recently offer any insight into what might cause or be a catalyst for the projected down movement of the Market ? I am guessing that they offer a me fundamental approach, or at least gain insight to fundamentals through various tools. I am specifically interested in the turn down to the 18k mark and information around that. the rest, should it occur, would be no doubt driven by perpetuating fear.
 
 
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  •  PeterE
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Very few thought Trump would be elected, very few believe the Republicans will impeach Trump.
But when they do, watch out, there are some "incredible surprises" in store for the US and the markets.
....It is interesting that Igrok's diamond should take shape at this time, a confirmation.

Expect the unexpected.

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  •  Igrok
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Quoting Edd111111
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Hi @Igor, Did the people you interview recently offer any insight into what might cause or be a catalyst for the projected down movement of the Market ? I am guessing that they offer a me fundamental approach, or at least gain insight to fundamentals through various tools. I am specifically interested in the turn down to the 18k mark and information around that. the rest, should it occur, would be no doubt driven by perpetuating fear.
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today I interviewed this guy only...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Delyagin... he also used to be a close economic consultant to one of the former Russian PMs, who is desist now...
his personal outlook for the future of the word's economy in general is extremely pessimistic... though he is not alone... there is a whole bunch of top economists here and now whose views I personally don't like at all... there is a general concept that becomes more and more popular among them that the capitalism in its modern form has come to its end... and its not recoverable... falling efficiency of capital within a few years from now they do expect to lead to the world's break into several separate economic zones with its own currency each... they think that current ongoing crisis is the last and final one...after it the world is not going to be the same as it used to be over the last couple of centuries...
 
 
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  •  Igrok
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  • Dec 16, 2019 4:42pm Dec 16, 2019 4:42pm
  •  deltaone
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this thread is a joke - and all who really think this might happen are fools.
fortis fortuna adiuvat
 
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  • Dec 16, 2019 4:45pm Dec 16, 2019 4:45pm
  •  deltaone
  • Joined Nov 2013 | Status: Made in Germany | 19,677 Posts
clowns...
fortis fortuna adiuvat
 
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  • Dec 16, 2019 4:47pm Dec 16, 2019 4:47pm
  •  deltaone
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good example of those forex freaks who will never ever have a clue about stock markets...
fortis fortuna adiuvat
 
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  • Dec 16, 2019 4:49pm Dec 16, 2019 4:49pm
  •  deltaone
  • Joined Nov 2013 | Status: Made in Germany | 19,677 Posts
Quoting Abe16
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I question your credibility completely. You say you've been a fund manager since 1993. What fund are you currently managing? The one fund you did manage is now defunct and it's web address has been removed. What are your credentials? Are you certified? Series, 3, 7, 65? Are you licensed by FINRA. Are you registered with SEC. Any professional certifications like that of a Chartered Financial Analyst. What education do you have? MBA, finance, economics or similar? Do you actually trade and if so can you show evidence of that? Maybe even put a few...
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they come and go - freaks...
fortis fortuna adiuvat
 
 
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Quoting PeterE
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. Very few thought Trump would be elected, very few believe the Republicans will impeach Trump. But when they do, watch out, there are some "incredible surprises" in store for the US and the markets. ....It is interesting that Igrok's diamond should take shape at this time, a confirmation. Expect the unexpected. .
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I'm a newbie... as a newbie this is how I see it.
I cannot see Trump being impeached in the senate. But I can see Trump being impeached in House of Representatives. So when they do impeach trump in house of Rep; I'm expecting some retracements in the market because this market is over the top and one sign of trouble everyone will panic and take profit! That will definetely cause some retracements. As soon as Senate clears Trump; the markets will go back up again.

The next stop I see markets retracing is when a single strong favourite emerges as Democratic candidate who could challenge Trump in 2020 election. I don't know who could be that democrat at the moment.

Unless Trump loses 2020 election which I cannot see Trump lose it....i cannot see the market do any big retracement. We have to have proper recession for big retracements. I'm sure this whole thing looks like a bubble to me and it has to pop at some point. Just don't know when it will pop!
 
 
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  • Dec 16, 2019 4:56pm Dec 16, 2019 4:56pm
  •  deltaone
  • Joined Nov 2013 | Status: Made in Germany | 19,677 Posts
kremlin - rasputin - muahahaha. freak show. good luck with selling lottery gaming books - lmao
fortis fortuna adiuvat
 
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  • Dec 16, 2019 5:08pm Dec 16, 2019 5:08pm
  •  deltaone
  • Joined Nov 2013 | Status: Made in Germany | 19,677 Posts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7prnY2FOxns
fortis fortuna adiuvat
 
 
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