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  •  hanover
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Hi All, Well, we have some very exciting news......
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Hi,

I would like to ask some questions about your education:

1. What are your trading credentials? How much experience do you have as a bank or institutional trader?

2. What areas of analysis/trading does your education cover: e.g. chart based analysis, advanced chart analysis (orderflow, liquidity, footprint charts....), volume profiling, macroeconomics, value assessment, central bank operations, news trading, options trading, hedging, intermarket analysis, sentiment analysis, event risk analysis, data mining, algorithmic trading, liquidity hunting, institutional scalping, bank arbitrage, portfolio allocation, etc etc?

3. What facilities are being offered, e.g. trading room, one-on-one mentorship, recorded webinars, discussion forums, etc?
Are there any other facilities, e.g. access to live news feed, major bank forecasts, ...?

4. What is the cost of the education? Is it a one off payment, monthly subscription, etc?
Might I expect any additional costs (e.g. specialist platform, live data feed, etc)?

Many thanks for your reply. Or please feel welcome to point me to any links that answer these questions.
 
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  •  Ifmyante
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{quote} Hi, I would like to ask some questions about your education: 1. What are your trading credentials? How much experience do you have as a bank or institutional trader? 2. What areas of analysis/trading does your education cover: e.g. chart based analysis, advanced chart analysis (orderflow, liquidity, footprint charts....), volume profiling, macroeconomics, value assessment, central bank operations, news trading, options trading, hedging, intermarket analysis, sentiment analysis, event risk analysis, data mining, algorithmic trading, liquidity...
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Long time no see Hanover, I hope you're well.

The course is all based upon my work, and I have absolutely no experience as a banker or IT. I've just been screwed over by both long enough to understand how they work.
You've seen before how I look at the chart. Some of the terms you've used in your question I hardly understand! I simply see the lazy mechanics the guys who control the market use. Where they bounce price, how they trick people into handing over their stops at turning points, how to spot reversals and trade them.
I'll not be running any trading rooms. The best traders there spend all day being crutches for others who feel they have no need to learn anything, as everything's being handed on a plate. I'll leave that to those who'll do anything to pack their classes.
There'll be one on one mentorship, guiding students through their assignments, which will be increasingly more taxing as they go. There's a forum, of course, where we'll be guiding the Academy as a group. Lots of material in a number of media.
Anybody who trades the news as soon as it comes out is an idiot, so we have no desire to be the first to know it. Sure, we trade through the news, but we trade the PA, not the announcement.
I'm not certain what bank forecasts are, but if they're from the banks, they're just propaganda anyway, and the charts will always tell us the truth.
It's a one off payment of just under €10,000 right now. We were going to make that for lifetime membership, but seeing how many hundreds of hours can go into each student, we could end up working for minimum wage, so we've taken a break to go back to the drawing board and decide upon what's fair to everybody.

Apologies if my reply isn't too eloquent. It gets that way when I'm answering questions one by one

Great questions though. I'm honoured to have a FF cornerstone drop by
 
 
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  •  duy90
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Ifmyante, thank you to prompt reply.

I have one more question for now

Is this hand held tutoring? I mean how actively the masters etc involved as teachers are participating 101 with students.


Duy90

*** I saw my question has been asked by hanover****
 
 
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  •  Ifmyante
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I'm quite explicit with the lessons, but no matter how good a lesson is, someone's going to have a query which has actually, without their understanding, been answered by the lesson.
That's why I'll be implementing the Socratic Method of teaching. Asking questions which the students can consider, and answer, enabling them to find the lesson within the lesson.
Because the market is so nuanced, the only way we can be successful is to be able to ask ourselves the right questions, and know the method of answering them. So, hopefully, our graduates, sitting at their screens, will have the same type of monologue going on as the dialogues they had in class.

However, everybody who knows me knows I fall in love with a good question! That's why IF's Corner has been set up. Once a good question arises, I'll put the answer there, along with all the other answers to great questions. Essentially, that's why I want to give 18 months membership to the first 30 students, because they'll be helping me populate the corner.
Of course, we all know that I have little time for questions which the asker would obviously work out with a moment's thought, but in cases like this, I'll still give them the question they need to find the answer.

So,
Handholder: No way!
Mentor: Absolulu
 
 
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  •  duy90
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Is there anyway to get sneak peak on table of contents or website materials in picture form?

This will provide a fuel to the decision making on members who are undecided because of not being sure what is explicitly provided.

Duy90

PS. A question not related to the course itself.

Arent you afraif of ITs using this knowledge against everyone?

What I mean is If you are marketing this academy publicly and ITs pay attention to this. I am sure they have money to join your academy to become spy. They will learn what you know and use that against everyone.

If This comes true. In the end we will still be the here's, aren't we?
 
 
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  •  Ifmyante
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The table of contents on the initial bulk of lessons is there on the site.
No sneak peaks inside.
I have no intention of trying to be a salesman, working out the best way to attract students. I've put more than enough of my method on the free web for people to do their due diligence and decide whether I have more or less market knowledge than anybody else
 
 
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  •  Ifmyante
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A question not related to the course itself. Arent you afraif of ITs using this knowledge against everyone? What I mean is If you are marketing this academy publicly and ITs pay attention to this. I am sure they have money to join your academy to become spy. They will learn what you know and use that against everyone. If This comes true. In the end we will still be the here's, aren't we?
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I just saw this edit.

We won't be allowing people in the trading industry into RTMA like anybody else.
If they want my lessons, they can pay upwards of €200,000 for tuition.
If they try to sneak in, or get agents to join for them, all will be sued for all they've got.


Edit: Yes, as more people discover market reading, the ITs will notice they're not the only ones taking the stops, and they will move the goalposts one day. That's why I'm teaching the reverse engineering of the markets. Graduates will have been taught how to spot the new IT gameplan, and trade accordingly. The only way the ITs can stop us from learning their methods is to start moving price at random. This would be very bad for them, as retailers would have no confidence whatsoever in entering the market. So, they'll always have a set of methods which some might be able to get a limited grasp on, most will never spot, and some will see straight away
 
 
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  •  hanover
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The course is all based upon my work.......
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Many thanks for your prompt, honest and comprehensive answers. I do recall watching a couple of your price action videos on YouTube, but it was a long time ago! I saw the new thread just now and was wondering if/how your course material had been expanded over the intervening years, hence my questions.

I would like to wish you a safe and happy festive season and a prosperous 2018. Thanks again.

David
 
 
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  •  Ifmyante
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Thanks so much brother.
Yes, back then I had only the slightest inkling of how dark and nasty the trading world is.
Here's hoping we get to shut it all down soon!

Happy New Year on the 25th
 
 
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  •  Chica
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For those of you who are worried about the methodologies becoming redundant. It is a real possibility (sometime in the future), that is why the Academy has structured assignments and homework incorporating how IF learnt to see the market. Couple this with the advanced reverse engineering lessons and all graduates will not care if the MO of the I.T changes because they will be able to spot it. Although the methods may change there are certain rules surrounding order flow etc which remain constant. So it will always be a game of cat and mouse
Bye Bye FF
 
 
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  •  clemmo17
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Merry Christmas everyone, and now get ready for some bah humbug.
This is a somewhat critical post, maybe born out of ignorance (mine) but I will stay quiet after this if OP desires. It's not my intention to spark back and forth bickering, but I don't have enough discipline to stay quiet without pointing out what I perceive to be (sorry) ...nonsense.

What is it about price action gurus that they can talk for hours but not make a single concept so clear that it won't arouse a dozen questions from curious new traders? The only logical conclusion I can reach is that, once enough students are confused, they will have no option but to leave it, or sign up for an expensive course. Some will leave it. The rest are risk-free profit.

'If' says financial markets are a scam, but how is this better? Draw some levels on the left side of the chart, to explain the action of more of the left side of the chart, nothing (much) demonstrated on the right.

Here are the notes I took from the below video which I gather is the introduction to RTM. Please send me to a different video if I am mistaken.
My comments in green.

Price Action Master Class The simple way to know where price will bounce
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  1. First observations. What is it about price action teachers that makes them talk so much and say so little? I’ve never known a chattier group of people. Lots of preamble, followed by much ado about nothing sandwiched with anecdotes and asides.
  2. Institutional traders move the markets and they repeatedly use the same tactics to manipulate standard fare
  3. RTM hates drawdowns As opposed to everyone else? Maybe this is meant to indicate the type of trading style RTM prefers but it’s unclear
  4. No indicators. They are the bane of the industry. Right, it’s price action.
  5. “All we need to do is look for tricks being played into places where tricks were played in the past.” ??
  6. A stop loss on a sell is a buy. If the institutional traders want to sell they’ll need loads of people to buy from them so they’ll ‘set up a range’ (?)
  7. Range traders put their stops just above the range, breakout traders think price is going up and they are buying. So lots of buy orders to take out.
  8. “They shoot price down.” How?
  9. At this point in the video things get incoherent. Tricks being played here, level here, false resistance here, what what what? Slow down and explain one thing fully, please. Also, the dog barks because it wants to be with you, why not just put a basket beside your desk? None of my business obviously.
  10. I think the general principle is that whenever a higher high is made against the overall trend, that’s a ‘trick’ and whenever there’s a retracement, that’s a ‘trick’.
  11. Price bounces whenever it hits an arbitrarily placed line.
  12. RTM (If) hates the nomenclature of ‘trend’ but uses it regardless. The term is 'meaningless'.
  13. Blue boxes are placed at the bottom of swings low and pink boxes are at the bottom of swings high. Pink boxes are supply, and blue boxes are demand. All determined in hindsight.
  14. Retailer will sell on a trend change. Institution buys at supply level.
  15. ITs know there are a ton of stop losses above a swing high along with the breakout traders going long, so they’ll shoot the price down.
  16. Since the purpose of markets is to cause pain to the most people, it’s logical to find the maximum pain level. Where? Above the highest swing high. Where the most stop losses are being held.
  17. From a ‘shoulder’ price moves back up to 0.984 and then bounces down. Yet earlier we just saw an example where price would be expected to take out the stops at the MPL (maximum pain level) so why didn’t it first shoot up past 0.994 and then down? Why was the previous shoulder level chosen for this trade?
  18. Even on a Monthly chart this level would have worked.
  19. These don’t always work but there are ways to find out which ones are likely to work. Not mentioned.
  20. It takes experience to be able to ‘touch trade’ these things, (or lots of survival bias) but once gained you can do this ‘quite easily’. Hopefully more easily than they can be explained. Because at this point I’m just struggling to find a single tangible principle (abstraction) that I can add to my notes. Instead it’s example, example, example, all with the same rambling, vague, 'explanations'.
  21. Clean orders?
  22. There is 'loads more to know' but this is 'a good start'. It is?? So far I can summarize everything with one premise.

Price will tend to resume course in the dominant trend direction after a retrace that takes out a prior level. My words.
That took me a few seconds to write, and it would take a few seconds to say, maybe 5 minutes to explain. So far I’ve been watching about 25 minutes of blarney.

  1. Time frames don’t matter
  2. You can go back to the 1970s to find these levels??
  3. Binary options will be dealt with later
  4. Real name is ‘IF’ please. If you can keep your head while all about you are losing theirs, that's profit, I guess.
  5. Best time frame for analysis - work it out for yourself haha
  6. http://rtmfund.com/ - offline
  7. Everything is given away for free. Except for the course that really will make it 'clear'.
  8. There are demons inside us that can make us terrible traders
  9. Please give the article name - "you'll find it." haha
  10. We should know the entire picture of price before we take a trade. There are past levels that must be 'brought forward to the future' so you know where they are. All the way back to the 1970s apparently. An old high or low from the past can stop price from getting where you expect. Yet in the previous question you couldn't say what TF to use or how far back to look. That covers just about every situation then, doesn't it? Price didn't react according to our advice? Blame an old level you ignored.
  11. This will work in all markets
  12. 'If' doesn't like FF. I guess not. You can't disable comments on FF.
  13. ITs made a change in their trading. A 'wonderful, fascinating' change. But that won't be revealed here.
  14. Profits are taken at the other end of a range, where stop losses are. Unless swap fees are high, then exit earlier.
  15. In news trading, wait for price to go one way, then go the other. Don't try to predict direction based on the news itself. I actually agree with this.
  16. Pay attention to the 'highest time frame possible'.
  17. You have to have a hard stop-loss 'somewhere'.
  18. At all time highs or lows there is no way to know where to take the trade.
  19. If price hasn't spiked these 'drop-based rallies' or 'rally-based drops' on the way away (?) then when price gets back there they still exist. Maybe this is a cultural misunderstanding, but surely this is a good example of something can be explained more clearly. I think you're saying, as long as a previous level hasn't been taken out, then it still has the potential to be taken out.
  20. The only way this can work is if you don't need it to work. Agreed.
  21. 1000 hours needed to master concepts. Propaganda to be unlearned.
  22. Supply or demand isn't being traded. Always look for 'tricks'.
  23. Draw rectangles, set alerts at the price levels.
  24. Slippage doesn't happen with a good broker.
  25. Trade no more than 2% per trade.
  26. See higher timeframe levels on your lower timeframes but hide lower timeframe levels on your higher timeframes.
  27. No need for Heiken Aishi, Renko
  28. Now some price levels are drawn on a live chart, monthly view, where rectangles are drawn but the rationale isn't entirely clear. The original chart shown, on H4 is riddled with levels. Everything is significant. A left shoulder is mentioned but I don't even see it.
  29. 'Symmetry' - Drawing a rectangle (I think) from an arbitrary swing high to a swing low in the past and then extending it in the future, we would like to see the unfilled area of that rectangle get filled. Now we can see when this chart was recorded and check price. Why was this video recorded in Aug. 2016 but only published in March 2017? Of the four rectangles drawn, 3 are so far away from current price that there is no danger of their 'predictions' being tested in the near future. The fourth one, that does predict the 2017 rally in the Euro is not currently in danger of reaching the 1.24 level predicted, but since we are dealing with a very long timeframe, I suppose this could still pan out. Of the lines on the H4 chart, there are so many it's hard to say what ended up working and what didn't, especially as I'm still not sure what the logic is for taking trades.
  30. USDCAD - again, a panoply of lines. Speaking very fast, literally fast-talking, there are mentions of resistance, levels not being reached, but I did make out that it's best to prefer the first touch of a level. The only actual prediction I can make out is the mention of a 'shoulder' on 2016.04.29 which turned out to be the annual low for 2016. Price got back there in July 2017, and did bounce, slightly, before resuming downward to make a new low. So, if the method is to wait more than a year for a trade that captures 15%? of a range, sure, that worked.
  31. "This isn't my chart" We share charts in the academy. Well if it isn't comprehensible or clear, or the predictions don't work, it's not your fault then.
  32. Another question about binary options and this time, instead of saying we'll examine it later, it's revealed that binary options are not looked at. They're not traded. Why the different responses? Because at first there was a potential for a new course offering but now If has decided it's not worth the trouble.
  33. There is so much to it that these rules can't be automated. Probably too much to ask for a list of rules or procedures then?
  34. What is a quasimodo level?
  35. You can predict almost every move. However sometimes (how often?) price passes right through them which is why we never go all in on any trade.

Please excuse (or ignore) me if I've given offence. It wasn't my intention. If you can make this understandable to a dummy like me, then it should be useful in your future instruction.

 
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  •  Ifmyante
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I'm sure that's a great summary, but it's way too much for me to read, and we're not running a support group for people who want to be taught years of experience in a short video.

What I get from it though is that you seem to expect me to reveal everything I know in the video, and there's an awful lot you don't understand.

Now, had you done any research on me other than watching a free video, you'd be able to answer most of the queries you raised, and I might have taken more time in my reply.

Essentially, I make great traders, and it's as simple as that. These traders trade every type of instrument on every scale.

The latest results I've had in are

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The proof of the pudding is in the eating, and the measure of a coach is in his students.

I've had another quick scan of your notes. They show that you obviously know everything about the market, and have absolutely no need of any guidance from me.
I'm sorry you had to put so much of your valuable time into watching my nonsense, and am very grateful you dropped by to chastise me so eloquently and decisively
 
 
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  •  Ifmyante
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I read a little more.
That video was made and first released in 2016, while I was still dumb enough to teach it all for free in RTM, which was open to everybody, at no charge. Had you been around at the time, I would've even gone out of my way to explain to you the finer details of it, and so much more, for free.
I'm very glad you didn't find us until now


By the way, I do understand that "I don't mean to cause any offense, but I'm about to attempt to rip you a new one" is an intentional method of adding offense.
Such bitchiness just undermines your credibility
 
 
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  •  clemmo17
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I'm not being bitchy, maybe I went overboard adding all my notes. How about this. Just tell me what I should do next. Go to the next video in that series? Read the testimonials on your website? I'm not a professional systems reviewer I'm a potential customer that you can either persuade or dissuade. I'll empty my cup if you will fill it.
 
 
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  •  Ifmyante
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You certainly did pile it on

Really, I'm only here to teach and to fight. Thank goodness I have the guys to do the sales and business side. They're on the dark side of the globe right now, but once it's rotated a bit more, they might politely help you out
 
 
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  •  Atari
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Mr. Clemmo17,
If you truly empty your cup, then you know where to find RTM and RTM Academy for it is there waiting for you (if you are truly ready to take full responsibility and work hard). By undermining someones work (in this case IF's work) without true facts to back up it up, and I mean true facts and not just your opinion, you are also undermining yourself, for now you have become biased and blinded by your own negative assessment. Only with a calm mind, an empty mind, that one can be free of the illusion that blinds everyone everyday and see the truth that is always right in front of us.

You cannot truly learn anything if your mind is agitated, vengeful, angry....distracted...bitchy. By asking one to fill your cup is absolutely the wrong mentality that is not beneficial to yourself. And by criticizing someone's else work, especially, when you don't truly understand their work, have just caused you to lose an opportunity to learn from them. As the saying goes, if you want honey from the bees, don't kick the beehive...otherwise you know what will happen next.

You must fill your own cup... that that is where the learning begins. For example, I tell you... "Mr. Clemmo17, if you follow the yellow brick road and then make a left at the first intersection and when you come across a water well, use the pail to drop it into the well and you will be able to scoop up gold from the well". Now I have given you that knowledge.. it is up to you now to physically walk down the yellow brick road and follow the direction I gave and drop down the pail into the well to get your gold. What good is knowledge when you don't apply it. So going back to your statement "I'll empty my cup if you will fill it" is not the right way to approach anything. The right way is, "I have emptied my cup and I am here standing in front your door asking you to teach me how to fill it myself. Don't fill it for me, but teach me how to fill it". By doing so, your learning will explode to a new level not just in trading, but in everything else you do in life.

If you are ready to fill your cup, then you know where to find RTM or RTM Academy. Good luck in your journey.
 
 
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  •  Iamfx
  • | Joined Apr 2009 | Status: Member | 518 Posts
Err have you fellas ever heard of MAM or PAMMS? Seems a much simpler way to get enough money to change the world. There is no monetary risk involved for you it is all born by the investor. The only risk is reputational which is fatal to scammers.
We are all One. Be present. Be the Observer
 
 
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  •  Ifmyante
  • | Commercial Member | Joined Nov 2010 | 3,062 Posts
I often wonder why I don't just say "sod the lot of them", and simply trade my own account in private, but I guess I'm just not programmed that way.

However, I do have a student who's multiplying his account, living in the Middle East, in a country where life is now very dangerous. If we were to employ him as a fund trader, we could get him a work visa here in Ireland, where our invasion has settled down, with the banks left to rule over us.
Yes. Get ready for a fund very soon
 
 
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  •  Iamfx
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Yes let me know. I would rather risk my money in a MAM than in a course that might not nett me anything if I didnt quite get it.
I've had a few years experience with MAMS and if as you say you have unlocked the market rubik in VERY short order the fund can hit 100 million and if your returns are say 10% pm you can charge pure profit of 4 million per month.
We are all One. Be present. Be the Observer
 
 
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