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  • Oct 17, 2007 1:19pm Oct 17, 2007 1:19pm
  •  prosperfx
  • | Joined Oct 2007 | Status: Member | 82 Posts
Here are my two cents on profit targets...

I think it comes down to personal preference. Personally I only exit a trade at 5 - 10 pips profit if price indicates the trend may be waning. If I do not see any price action suggesting an exit I hold on to see if the trend will continue.

My favorite technique is to enter a trade based upon the 5 second chart. If the trend is decent, I then look to the 30 second chart to either create a new spine on a trend change, or confirm a continuation of the trend in progress. If I get confirmation from the 30 second chart this suggests that the trend has legs, and I wait for more pips.

Does that make sense?
 
 
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  •  Yuppie
  • | Joined Jun 2007 | Status: ̿ ̿ ̿̿'̿̿\̵͇̿̿\=(•̪●)=/̵͇̿̿/'̿̿ ̿ | 2,727 Posts
Quoting italianfx
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Yes, I prefer to close for 10 pips but if price doesn't move 5 pips are good.
I'm talking about 5 net pips so the market should run for 7-8 pips.
In the LT Book example he said to close the day with at least 6 pips and to exit on H-line
As I said before, with EFX I almost always enter with 1-2 pips spreed and + 1,6 for commission = 2,6-3,6 pips. So when on Oanda chart you see a move from xxx.10 to xxx.20 , in my trades they are not 10 pips gain but 5-6 net pips

If you re-read "the Ultimate chance" our job is to let the power of compound do it's job, and to do this we need a row of profit. It will never work if you go to -30 pips and make +30 pips again later just to break even, whe must keep the drawdown to a minimum level.
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"The Ultimate Chance" was very interesting. I am now starting to see how it can apply to the small, but high-probability, gains and little drawdown...

What has really been confusing me I think is that I generally read into things too much, trying to read between the lines. This has gotten me into trouble with this method I reckon...

I've been seeing these screenshots posted by LT of a huge drop and a comment such as "...follow the rainbow...". [LinuxTroll: I am not insinuating anything by this. In fact, I found these highly entertaining and motivating whilst reading through the thread. I think I have read too much into them and confused myself with conflicting methodologies...]...

I have hashed these things together in my head together with the eBook concepts and... well... you can see the result... a lot of confusion and lost pips (literally, not just opportunity cost ...

I think I'm starting to see the light Alessandro,


Thanks,

Magnus
 
 
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  • Oct 17, 2007 1:26pm Oct 17, 2007 1:26pm
  •  mazzhats
  • | Joined Sep 2007 | Status: Member | 27 Posts
Quoting prosperfx
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Here are my two cents on profit targets...

I think it comes down to personal preference. Personally I only exit a trade at 5 - 10 pips profit if price indicates the trend may be waning. If I do not see any price action suggesting an exit I hold on to see if the trend will continue.

My favorite technique is to enter a trade based upon the 5 second chart. If the trend is decent, I then look to the 30 second chart to either create a new spine on a trend change, or confirm a continuation of the trend in progress. If I get confirmation from the 30 second chart this suggests that the trend has legs, and I wait for more pips.

Does that make sense?
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Yeahhh.
I do it the same way , if i gain for bigger moves, and to find H Lines fot my
target.
 
 
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  • Oct 17, 2007 1:28pm Oct 17, 2007 1:28pm
  •  Yuppie
  • | Joined Jun 2007 | Status: ̿ ̿ ̿̿'̿̿\̵͇̿̿\=(•̪●)=/̵͇̿̿/'̿̿ ̿ | 2,727 Posts
Quoting prosperfx
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Here are my two cents on profit targets...

I think it comes down to personal preference. Personally I only exit a trade at 5 - 10 pips profit if price indicates the trend may be waning. If I do not see any price action suggesting an exit I hold on to see if the trend will continue.

My favorite technique is to enter a trade based upon the 5 second chart. If the trend is decent, I then look to the 30 second chart to either create a new spine on a trend change, or confirm a continuation of the trend in progress. If I get confirmation from the 30 second chart this suggests that the trend has legs, and I wait for more pips.

Does that make sense?
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It does for me...

I am starting to get a grasp on everyones thinking processes for entries, and the all-important exits.

Thanks prosperfx, you have also expanded my thoughts on this method


Magnus
 
 
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  • Oct 17, 2007 1:35pm Oct 17, 2007 1:35pm
  •  prosperfx
  • | Joined Oct 2007 | Status: Member | 82 Posts
Quoting Yuppie
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Thanks prosperfx, you have also expanded my thoughts on this method


Magnus
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Happy to help! I have learned a lot from your great charts!

Thanks for the tip on FastStone by the way! I love it!!

Glen
 
 
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  •  Yuppie
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Quoting prosperfx
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I have learned a lot from your great charts!
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Now that's something I didn't expect to hear ...


Quoting prosperfx
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Thanks for the tip on FastStone by the way! I love it!!
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That's how I produce such helpful screenshots for you :


Thanks again,

Magnus
 
 
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  • Oct 17, 2007 2:07pm Oct 17, 2007 2:07pm
  •  hensch
  • | Joined Apr 2005 | Status: $$$$ | 142 Posts
I mean exactly that. Scalping is not swing trading nor trend trading it's just that, scalping. Please read the mantra for further explanation.

Having said that, I welcome as many 200 pip moves as possible!!!

Quoting ycomp
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I still don't see what's wrong with grabbing lots of pips from yesterday's moves. You can enter a couple of times (or more) depending on your style.
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  • Oct 17, 2007 2:22pm Oct 17, 2007 2:22pm
  •  Canyouseeme
  • | Joined May 2007 | Status: Member | 208 Posts
Quoting prosperfx
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I welcome any and all commentary on my trade. In hindisght, I also noticed that the spine and flame were crossing H lines at the same time I entered. Another confirmation of the trade.
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Setup looks fine but you seem to not be congruent with your exit criteria = you hold on to the trade if youre only like 1-2 pips in profit or even 1-2 pips down but if you are 20 pips in profit you want to get out as quick as possible.

Why did you exit even though the 30 sec chart showed confirmation of the current trend?
 
 
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  • Oct 17, 2007 2:37pm Oct 17, 2007 2:37pm
  •  prosperfx
  • | Joined Oct 2007 | Status: Member | 82 Posts
Quoting Canyouseeme
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Setup looks fine but you seem to not be congruent with your exit criteria = you hold on to the trade if youre only like 1-2 pips in profit or even 1-2 pips down but if you are 20 pips in profit you want to get out as quick as possible.

Why did you exit even though the 30 sec chart showed confirmation of the current trend?
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Thanks for the feedback, and great question! To be frank, I don't know! I am still developing my exact exit criteria. The 30 second chart did confirm the trade, and I could have stayed in for another 30 - 40 pips. However, I am still just in week #1 of studying, and day #2 of trading the Rainbow!

That being said, I am in the process of determining my rules for exiting a trade. I do not have anything nailed down yet, but when I do I will post my thoughts!


Glen
 
 
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  • Oct 17, 2007 5:04pm Oct 17, 2007 5:04pm
  •  prosperfx
  • | Joined Oct 2007 | Status: Member | 82 Posts
Here is my second trade. I stayed in this trade much longer based on the 30 second chart. My exit was not based upon anything in particular other than gut feel. Right now it looks like it was a good exit.

Feedback please!
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  • Oct 17, 2007 6:04pm Oct 17, 2007 6:04pm
  •  mjollnir
  • | Joined Sep 2007 | Status: Member | 40 Posts
Great trades you are doing prosperfx, how long have you been live?

This was my first day with rainbow too.. 17 trades, 3 losers (biggest by ten pips). Can't say total pips profit cause MBT platform sucks for reports.
I used to be schizophrenic, but now we are sane.
 
 
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  • Oct 17, 2007 6:07pm Oct 17, 2007 6:07pm
  •  DeeNY
  • | Joined Sep 2007 | Status: Green Pips and Ham | 71 Posts
Great example and walk through. Got to love the trend!

On average how many trends surf daily?

DeeNY



Quoting prosperfx
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Here is my second trade. I stayed in this trade much longer based on the 30 second chart. My exit was not based upon anything in particular other than gut feel. Right now it looks like it was a good exit.

Feedback please!
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  • Oct 17, 2007 7:01pm Oct 17, 2007 7:01pm
  •  linuxtroll
  • | Commercial Member | Joined Mar 2004 | 1,255 Posts
Quoting Yuppie
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Alessandro (and others),

Studying your charts you just posted. Every trade was entered when the spine broke the H-line or V-line.

Now, Alessandro, and everyone else as well... I have gone through this thread twice now, making notes as I did. I have bought the eBook. As you all know I document my trades well and have so far captured every full trading day *live* on video...

... so I hope you will agree that I am puting at least some effort in...

... I think I have missed something though...


The Spine. I thought I understood the concept, but after studying Alessandro's excellent trades earlier today, I am definately lacking...

Here is how I have regarded the spine up to now:

The spine gives an indication of the direction in which to trade. Do not trade against it [unless you are not doing any sort of advanced, aggressive stuff]. If the spine cross the H-line and/or V-line at the same time price is breaking out of an area, new recent high, etc, then this is good confirmation. Break of spine by price can be used as an exit [and sometimes entry].

But, after studying your trades Alessandro, it looks likes your main criteria for entry was 'spine crossing H-line and/or V-line', with little regard to the actual price at the time.

Atomz has pointed to me, regarding my trades today:

I will be going through all my trades again tonight, as I do every night.


I believe I have missed something critical here. Perhaps even the core of the Rainbow method. I will be going over the eBook again tonight and replaying todays' action again also...

I think it could be a mental block (like when you were young and just couldn't figure out how the earth was round, because you could look as far into the distance as you could and "see" that it was flat! - or was that just me? : )

Is it as simple as spine breaking H/V-line?

I would really appreciate it if anyone could help me out on this. LT has said screen time, screen time, and yet more screen time. I appreciate this, but I believe I may have a mental block that is really stifling my progress.


Thank you,

Magnus
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Forget about the spine for a few days and try to follow the flame for a week and compare the results...
 
 
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  • Oct 17, 2007 9:23pm Oct 17, 2007 9:23pm
  •  ConTrarion
  • | Joined Oct 2007 | Status: Member | 7 Posts
Quoting linuxtroll
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Forget about the spine for a few days and try to follow the flame for a week and compare the results...
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The Flame, The Flame , The Flame . Could it be that simple ? Yes - Yes I think it is and then its S/R and S/R . It seems that often we or I should say I take something simple and complicate it with to many details . (KISS) Charge on ,Charge on....Make money LoL...
 
 
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  •  Stan
  • | Joined Aug 2006 | Status: Member | 225 Posts
Quoting ConTrarion
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The Flame, The Flame , The Flame . Could it be that simple ? Yes - Yes I think it is and then its S/R and S/R . It seems that often we or I should say I take something simple and complicate it with to many details . (KISS) Charge on ,Charge on....Make money LoL...
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Not quite sure what you are seeing, but I do know if you watch that flame in relation to S/R, it is, how do say it in your country, PROFITABLE! lol
 
 
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  •  ConTrarion
  • | Joined Oct 2007 | Status: Member | 7 Posts
Quoting Stan
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Not quite sure what you are seeing, but I do know if you watch that flame in relation to S/R, it is, how do say it in your country, PROFITABLE! lol
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Yes it does help to know where the walls are (S/R). Yes its PROFITABLE, Charge on - LoL ..
 
 
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  • Oct 18, 2007 1:54am Oct 18, 2007 1:54am
  •  Canyouseeme
  • | Joined May 2007 | Status: Member | 208 Posts
Do you see a good setup here ?
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  •  Canyouseeme
  • | Joined May 2007 | Status: Member | 208 Posts
Round Number owns
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  • Oct 18, 2007 2:19am Oct 18, 2007 2:19am
  •  Yuppie
  • | Joined Jun 2007 | Status: ̿ ̿ ̿̿'̿̿\̵͇̿̿\=(•̪●)=/̵͇̿̿/'̿̿ ̿ | 2,727 Posts
Quoting linuxtroll
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Forget about the spine for a few days and try to follow the flame for a week and compare the results...
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Okay LT, flame only, (and you have some agreement as well I see)...

Just grabbed +2 and +3 pips [06:30 GMT]...

First trade on flame breaking Asian Session high...

Second trade on break of round number...

[30-sec was up. Got out sharpish on both trades as this is off-peak hours...]


But...


First trade broke V-line at same time I bought...

Second trade broke next 5 min V-line at same time I bought...

Interesting ...


Thanks LT,

Magnus
 
 
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  • Oct 18, 2007 2:22am Oct 18, 2007 2:22am
  •  Canyouseeme
  • | Joined May 2007 | Status: Member | 208 Posts
Uuuuuh and here you can see some range breakout / Support break.
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