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  • First Post: Edited Oct 7, 2007 4:06pm Sep 8, 2007 3:54pm | Edited Oct 7, 2007 4:06pm
  •  NewstraderFX
  • | Commercial Member | Joined Sep 2006 | 1,007 Posts
If you except the fact that the two main drivers of currency price are interest rate differentials and equity driven carry trades (or what professionals refer to as equity driven cross-border currency flows), the best trade right now is to short USD/JPY for a longer-term trend trade.

Let's review what happened in the spring when the dollar weakened dramatically vs the high yielders (GBP, EUR, AUD and NZD). During most of that time, the fed was percieved to be holding or possibly lowering the overnight rate while the BoE, ECB, RBA and RBNZ were in tightening modes. Interest rate differentals clearly were against the dollar and the dollar weakened dramatically.

At the same time, equity markets were performing very well and carry trades wound. When carry trades wind, the dollar weakens vs the high yielders and gains vs the Yen. What this means is that in the spring, the two main drivers of currency price, carry trade and interest rate differentials, were working SIMULTANEOUSLY to weaken the dollar vs the high yielders.

Let's look at today's situation. Many in the markets are concerned that the US could be going into a recession. That means equities will not be favored and carry trades will unwind, causing the dollar to gain vs the high yielders and lose vs the Yen. But what is also happening is that because the fed looks to be lowering the overnight rate, the interest rate differentials are still favoring the high yielders, meaning that those forces will be pushing the dollar lower. The two main drivers of currency price are now working AGAINST each other. As far as G/U, E/U, A/U and N/U are concerned, it's likely that a "tug or war" will exist and that price will bounce back and forth.

Now here's how to take advantage of the situation. If equities are not favored because of the perceived threat of recession carry trades will unwind, meaning that the dollar will depreciate vs the Yen. At the same time, because the fed looks to be lowering the overnight rate the interest rate differentials will also be causing the dollar to depreciate vs the Yen. In other words, the two main drivers of currency price, carry trades and yeild differential will be working SIMULTANEOUSLY to weaken the dollar vs the Yen.
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  • Sep 8, 2007 8:58pm Sep 8, 2007 8:58pm
  •  wwwin
  • | Joined Oct 2006 | Status: Member | 1,946 Posts
Quoting NewstraderFX
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If you except the fact that the two main drivers of currency price are interest rate differentials and equity driven carry trades (or what professionals refer to as equity driven cross-border currency flows), the best trade right now is to short USD/JPY for a longer-term trend trade.

Let's review what happened in the spring when the dollar weakened dramatically vs the high yielders (GBP, EUR, AUD and NZD). During most of that time, the fed was percieved to be holding or possibly lowering the overnight rate while the BoE, ECB, RBA and RBNZ were in tightening modes. Interest rate differentals clearly were against the dollar and the dollar weakened.

At the same time, equity markets were performing very well and carry trades wound. When carry trades wind, the dollar weakens vs the high yielders and gains vs the Yen. What this means is that in the spring, the two main drivers of currency price, carry trade and interest rate differnetials, were working SIMULTANEOUSLY to weaken the dollar vs the high yielders.

Let's look at today's situation. Many in the markets are concerned that the US could be going into a recession. That means equities will not be favored and carry trades will unwind, causing the dollar to gain vs the high yielders and lose vs the Yen. But what is also happening is that because the fed looks to be lowering the overnight rate, the interest rate differentials are still favoring the high yielders, meaning that those forces will be pushing the dollar lower. The two main drivers of currency price are now working AGAINST each other. As far as G/U, E/U, A/U and N/U are concerned, it's likely that a "tug or war" will exist and that price will bounce back and forth.

Now here's how to take advantage of the situation. If equites are not favored because of the perceived threat of recession carry trades will unwind, meaning that the dollar will depreciate vs the Yen. At the same time, because the fed looks to be lowering the overnight rate the interest rate differentials will be causing the dollar to depreciate vs the Yen. In other words, the two main drivers of currency price, carry trades and yeild differential will be working SIMULTANEOUSLY to weaken the dollar vs the Yen.

I hope you find this interesting and I welcome all comments. If you are interested in finding out about my trade room, blog and trading primer contact [email protected]
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and the Feds are still in denial and damage control mode, even after NFP.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...g0w&refer=home
More unwinding appears likely next week.
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  • Sep 8, 2007 9:05pm Sep 8, 2007 9:05pm
  •  NewstraderFX
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The Fed Funds Rate (overnight rate) has already been lowered to 4.98%.
See:http://www.forexfactory.com/news.php?do=news&id=46047
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  • Sep 9, 2007 6:54am Sep 9, 2007 6:54am
  •  WTB
  • | Commercial Member | Joined Sep 2005 | 1,118 Posts
My views on USDJPY from a technical point of view. Below is a USDJPY 4H chart and the demo trade I took on friday.
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  • Sep 9, 2007 10:34am Sep 9, 2007 10:34am
  •  NewstraderFX
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I don't claim any special technical expertise, but that is one beautiful looking chart to me. Clear, concise and shows the essential elements. I think we have a terrific set-up from both the technical and fundamental point of view and from a trading perspective, that's the best we can hope for.

I'm getting into this trade. Not with my largest position immediately, but there's enough there to get me started.

Do the daily or weekly time frames tell you anything?
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  • Sep 9, 2007 1:09pm Sep 9, 2007 1:09pm
  •  WTB
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I don't claim any special technical expertise, but that is one beautiful looking chart to me. Clear, concise and shows the essential elements. I think we have a terrific set-up from both the technical and fundamental point of view and from a trading perspective, that's the best we can hope for.

I'm getting into this trade. Not with my largest position immediately, but there's enough there to get me started.

Do the daily or weekly time frames tell you anything?
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These are the notes I have written on my long term USDJPY charts.

USDJPY MONTHYLY
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  •  WTB
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Usdjpy Weekly
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  •  WTB
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And finally USDJPY DAILY.
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  • Sep 9, 2007 1:31pm Sep 9, 2007 1:31pm
  •  JR97
  • Joined Apr 2004 | Status: #slack pricetimeforecast | 1,909 Posts
I don't normally watch the USDJPY but this thread inspired me to do some research. Here's a weekly chart of the USDJPY showing a natural cycle that is about 4 months (red) and also a division that is about 16 months (magenta). As you can see, some major tops and both major bottoms were picked up including the most recent major high. The next instance comes at the end of Oct. But the next instance of the 16 month is a year from Oct.

As far as using the cycles as tradeable info, the best is to start loooking for a reversal at a cycle point using whatever tools suit your fancy. Sometimes the change in direction might only be a few days, but many times can last for weeks and months. But again, it comes down to using whatever tools you see fit.

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/6...ep09bm9.th.gif
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  • Sep 9, 2007 1:45pm Sep 9, 2007 1:45pm
  •  JR97
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Applying some regression anlaysis and the good ol' fashion bell curve, price on the monthly, weekly, and daily has reached the far downside boundaries of their respective statistical ranges. I wouldn't be suprised to see a retrace before the downturn continues. The conservative number being the 119.35 - 119.55 area and aggressivly being the 121 area. However, the stastical range is only based on 24 bars and it only takes price being flat to hit the other side which is more likely on the daily, but less likely on the weekly or monthly, at least in my experience.

A division of time is also up on the weekly, so I expect some sort of reversal be it if only for a day or two.

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  • Sep 9, 2007 10:19pm Sep 9, 2007 10:19pm
  •  HalifaxCB
  • | Joined Apr 2007 | Status: Ich habe genug | 551 Posts
The BoJ/MoF has been very proactive in keeping USD/JPY well above 100 in the past; I would expect them to start making noise somewhat below 110, checking rates maybe around 107, making things volatile and risky below that (The BoJ had a page listing official interventions which I can't seem to find; perhaps if someone had similar it would be of help.). I think atm with US noise about "ccy manipulators" they'd probably be more discreet, but if/when it starts pushing down further it might be worthwhile to keep an eye out for managed float type of behaviour...
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  • Sep 9, 2007 11:17pm Sep 9, 2007 11:17pm
  •  Igrok
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USD/JPY looks like being in the longer-term triangle at the moment. We may sit on the USD/JPY longs for as long as the lower border in not penetrated. It might be forewer if to buy just ahead of the line.
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  • Sep 10, 2007 12:10am Sep 10, 2007 12:10am
  •  NewstraderFX
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Quoting WTB
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And finally USDJPY DAILY.
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Thanks for posting the charts.WTB (and everyone else too). I'm feeling pretty confident in this trade but of course the deciding factor will be if the market agrees!

Anyone have an opinion regarding my ideas about the 2 main forces that drive currenct prices-agree/disagree/think i'm nuts??
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  • Sep 10, 2007 1:23am Sep 10, 2007 1:23am
  •  Mr Trend
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Quoting WTB
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These are the notes I have written on my long term USDJPY charts.

USDJPY MONTHYLY
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I couldn't agree more with your analysis. Particularly your last chart. Typically, asymmetrical triangles like these break a bit sooner... regardless, we should see a nice break soon. And they typically break pretty hard followed by a pullback.
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  •  Mr Trend
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Thanks for posting the charts.WTB (and everyone else too). I'm feeling pretty confident in this trade but of course the deciding factor will be if the market agrees!

Anyone have an opinion regarding my ideas about the 2 main forces that drive currenct prices-agree/disagree/think i'm nuts??
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To be honest, I agree with your opinion on the main forces driving GBPJPY.
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  • Sep 10, 2007 4:45am Sep 10, 2007 4:45am
  •  SeekingLight
  • Joined Jul 2006 | Status: Charts + PA > * | 3,251 Posts
Well for me it's a question of the carry/equity equation vs what the techs say...like I posted over in the GJ thread, I've still to get some clarity on which mechanic will win out.

Right now I am focussing on USD weakness playing out and if I see a nice setup on a UJ pullback, then let's do that. Right now I think a retrace is happening. DJI futures held a nice s/r line at 13130 here and may just surprise us all.

If this possible DJI rally if s/r holds coincides with some announcement later on or some action then the chart knew it first


Here's a nice monthly forecast chart I made around April-June, line chart. We were near the apex/high point of 120 at the time and about to hit the descending TL and I was wondering who would give - the desc. top or the rising one. I was favoring the downside and had already enthusiastically put in the arrows back then...well, we know now they filled out pretty nicely

I'm amazed I even got the timing right(I did not move the arrows since then and the line just reached the first one).
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  • Sep 10, 2007 4:52am Sep 10, 2007 4:52am
  •  SeekingLight
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Since I mentioned it, here a rather ugly DJI futures chart with the level / capping TL I meant at 13130.

Also note the FE .618 becoming s/r, coinciding with the TL.
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  • Sep 10, 2007 11:22am Sep 10, 2007 11:22am
  •  HalifaxCB
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(The BoJ had a page listing official interventions which I can't seem to find; perhaps if someone had similar it would be of help.)....
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Here it is, had it filed in the wrong place.
http://www.mof.go.jp/english/e1c021.htm

Those are actual publicly executed interventions; there are other methods available to dampen volatility. For background, the BoJ FAQ on intervention, which is worth reading, and pretty straightforward:

http://www.boj.or.jp/en/type/exp/faqkainy.htm
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  • Sep 10, 2007 11:50am Sep 10, 2007 11:50am
  •  SeekingLight
  • Joined Jul 2006 | Status: Charts + PA > * | 3,251 Posts
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Here it is, had it filed in the wrong place.
http://www.mof.go.jp/english/e1c021.htm

Those are actual publicly executed interventions; there are other methods available to dampen volatility. For background, the BoJ FAQ on intervention, which is worth reading, and pretty straightforward:

http://www.boj.or.jp/en/type/exp/faqkainy.htm
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Is it just me or is the BOJ becoming more and more powerless as interventions are more and more "drops in the ocean"?


Checked some largeish looking dates on daily...

1999
1,405.9 billion
moved 300 pips


927.2 billion
212 pips

640.1 billion
230 pips

2000
Apr 3, 2000
1,385.4 billion
moved 174 pips



September 21, 2001
1,287.4 billion
155 pips




Obviously nothing is "pure BOJ", but I thought heck, just to get an idea..


Some days got severely beaten down again to daily open even with these sums pushed in...
Trust price. Know yourself.
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  • Sep 10, 2007 6:55pm Sep 10, 2007 6:55pm
  •  NewstraderFX
  • | Commercial Member | Joined Sep 2006 | 1,007 Posts
Folks I may be a bit late in posting this, but you can't long the currency of the only indutrialized nation with a negative GDP.
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