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  •  Martyfish
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Good decision
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More luck than good decision
I am a fallible imperfect person; so I must be a fallible imperfect trader.
 
 
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More luck than good decision
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Luck is also a part of trading, sometimes
Let's go with the flow
 
 
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  •  Martyfish
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Well if GU didnt want to go up, it sure wanted to go down.

Dont know where it is going.

Banked profits on break of DP +41 pips

One day I'll be brave, hold a trade for a couple of hours (but not today)
I am a fallible imperfect person; so I must be a fallible imperfect trader.
 
 
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  •  Wamo
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Yeah, the Euro (EU & EJ) is retracing now as well. I might consider a long if we get a good signal soon, but we are up at the ATR and pivots, so probably not. My guess is the Euro longs are done for the day. But I resist the urge to form an opinion or predict.
 
 
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Took a loss on gbpusd. There was a confluence of resistance - DP, WS1, HTF's trendline, HTF's S&R level, but didn't work anyway. Well, it's just a part of this job
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The 15min stochastic was still too high for me to have taken that sell as realjumper pointed out in his post it shows strength of the move.
 
 
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Quoting lastingwell
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The 15min stochastic was still too high for me to have taken that sell as realjumper pointed out in his post it shows strength of the move.
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Yes, I know, but I had enough reasons for enter this trade, anyway.

Thanks for your comment!
Let's go with the flow
 
 
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Quoting Martyfish
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Well if GU didnt want to go up, it sure wanted to go down.

Dont know where it is going.

Banked profits on break of DP +41 pips

One day I'll be brave, hold a trade for a couple of hours (but not today)
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Bravo, Marty!

You have taken pips which I was going to take but I haven't Lesson learnt.
Let's go with the flow
 
 
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  •  Martyfish
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Bravo, Marty!

You have taken pips which I was going to take but I haven't Lesson learnt.
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Thank you
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*** VISUAL EXPLANATION OF THE STOCH ***

I would like to give a little contribution about the stoch behavior (particularly when there is a trend) without any math formula but just in a visual way to help young traders and anyone who doesn't like math.
This doesn't want to be an exhaustive explanation and I hope not to offend experienced traders and expecially my friend RJ ... please don't ban me after this


We need to make a window with the amount of bars we want to take under control. In genesis model we use a 11 period stoch (see red bubbles in the pic).
Then we move these window every time the bar closes and change the height according to the new low or high. In this way at every bar close we can draw a 11 bars wide box with height = (HIGH –LOW).

Well .... the stochastic is the position of last bar close in percentage of the box height.
Example:
Low = 1,3010
High =1,3033
Close =1,3015

===> Stoch = 21%
In this pic we can look at a couple of examples.
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Another example of stoch calculation without formula.
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The problem in this way is that the curve we achieved is very nervous … therefore we prefer to smooth it introducing a simple moving average (bold blue line in the pic). The parameter which helps us to smooth the stoch is “slowing”.

In the genesis model we use 3 which means a simple MA3 periods.
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Finally if we remove the original curve we get the smoothed signal curve …
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At the end Mr.Lane introduced another curve which is a simple MA of this signal (red line in the pic) and developed some entry rules based on these two curves.
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What happens when the trend is strong?

We will find a sequence of windows with long bars in the direction of the trend and some congestion zones (countertrend areas) …… a picture is better than 1000 words
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What happens when the trend is strong?

We will find a sequence of windows with long bars in the direction of the trend and some congestion zones (countertrend areas) …… a picture is better than 1000words
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Dear wiz3003,

For the first time I have seen such a visual explanation of stochastics. Thanks. Padila
What the mind does not know, the eyes cannot see
 
 
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  •  wiz3003
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Finally.....the house sale is completed and the move is completed apart from boxes of stuff all over the place. It's amazing how much crap one accumulates in 12 years....unbelievable. I was ruthless in chucking stuff away....more than 5 cubic metres in fact...lol!

Anyway, I have rested for a few days now.....and I needed it.....but now I'm back on board again. Great to see that people have been taking advantage of the great trends and making pips....that's what we are all here for. Times like these, ( I have been too busy to take advantage of...
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Happy to see you back my Captain ...
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[quote=realjumper;6371509]Finally.....the house sale is completed and the move is completed apart from boxes of stuff all over the place. It's amazing how much crap one accumulates in 12 years....unbelievable. I was ruthless in chucking stuff away....more than 5 cubic metres in fact...lol!



........ honey...... you didn't chuck my handbags did you? My prada bags
.... laughing all the way to the bank
 
 
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Quoting wiz3003
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What happens when the trend is strong?

We will find a sequence of windows with long bars in the direction of the trend and some congestion zones (countertrend areas) …… a picture is better than 1000 words
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An explanation like that could only come from an engineer.....most excellent Wiz, thank you.
Doing what you like is Freedom. Liking what you do is Happiness.
 
 
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  •  realjumper
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[quote=itsallover;6374657]
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Finally.....the house sale is completed and the move is completed apart from boxes of stuff all over the place. It's amazing how much crap one accumulates in 12 years....unbelievable. I was ruthless in chucking stuff away....more than 5 cubic metres in fact...lol!



........ honey...... you didn't chuck my handbags did you? My prada bags
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As if Kelly.....as if xxxxx

Are you watching the compounding UJ?
Doing what you like is Freedom. Liking what you do is Happiness.
 
 
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[quote=realjumper;6374727]
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As if Kelly.....as if xxxxx

Are you watching the compounding UJ?
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UJ is gorgeous
I'v noticed 4 hr entries on Genesis seem to pick up those valleys real well.
.... laughing all the way to the bank
 
 
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