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Can you "Curve-Fit" six years of data?

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  • First Post: Mar 29, 2007 3:46am Mar 29, 2007 3:46am
  •  tdion
  • Joined Nov 2005 | Status: EURUSD Quant FREAK | 3,197 Posts
Curve-fitting is a nasty world in the EA world....

But what's an EA programmer supposed to do? All we can do is test our strategies against historical data, and hope the "personalities" of the pairs don't change much.

So what makes a good EA? Firebird by Wackena is great in sideways, and MA systems do well in trends.

What does an EA need to stay robust in both markets?

My philosophy is to break even most of the time, and take small profits other times. Basically you add strategies that are profitable in both sideways and trending markets, and a lot of cancellation occurs. If we're breaking even, we aren't drawing down.

So I have an EA that made 11,000 pips in 6 years. That's a lot of data to curve-fit, but anything is possible in forex.

I guess all we can say is "Good Luck," you know?
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  • Mar 29, 2007 8:07am Mar 29, 2007 8:07am
  •  tesla
  • | Joined Oct 2006 | Status: Friendly Neighborhood Programmer | 533 Posts
quick reply, on blackberry.

optimize against 5yrs of data. then check performance on remaining yr.
 
 
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  • Mar 29, 2007 11:35am Mar 29, 2007 11:35am
  •  Kurka Fund
  • Joined Mar 2007 | Status: Member | 437 Posts
I agree, optimization and backtesting should only be used long term to make sure that the idea/strategy behind the execution is solid.

Quoting tesla
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quick reply, on blackberry.

optimize against 5yrs of data. then check performance on remaining yr.
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Keep it simple stoopid....
 
 
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  • Mar 30, 2007 11:51am Mar 30, 2007 11:51am
  •  quathar
  • | Joined Sep 2006 | Status: Member | 31 Posts
It seems that curve-fitting has to do with exploiting irregularites in the data, which do not fit with the overall (smoothed) performance curve, so for me it is somewhat of a misnomer.
For instance, if you represent the profits as a curve it self, if you check around the optimized parameter you should see a (smoothed) curve peaking at the optimized point, and points around it corresponding to less and less profit, i.e. more or less an inverse U curve.

Btw, there is an excellent article on backtesting here somewhere on the forum.
 
 
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  • Mar 30, 2007 11:56am Mar 30, 2007 11:56am
  •  merlin
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yes you can curve fit 6 years of data, EASILY!

your best defense against curvefitting is to have a sytem for developing your systems.
Relax and be happy.
 
 
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  • Mar 30, 2007 12:21pm Mar 30, 2007 12:21pm
  •  quathar
  • | Joined Sep 2006 | Status: Member | 31 Posts
Quoting merlin
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yes you can curve fit 6 years of data, EASILY!

your best defense against curvefitting is to have a sytem for developing your systems.
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Yeah, thx merlin, that was the article I was talking about.
 
 
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  • Mar 30, 2007 3:23pm Mar 30, 2007 3:23pm
  •  Craig
  • Joined Feb 2006 | Status: Blah blah blah | 1,410 Posts
http://www.meyersanalytics.com/publications/tricked.pdf, interesting stuff.
The breaking of a wave cannot explain the whole sea.
 
 
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  •  tdion
  • Joined Nov 2005 | Status: EURUSD Quant FREAK | 3,197 Posts
Suppose your trades are based on the TA/price action of D1.... you will have 24 times less data when compared to a system that trades H1 bars.
 
 
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