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  • First Post: Oct 8, 2008 12:57pm Oct 8, 2008 12:57pm
  •  sonicdeejay
  • | Commercial Member | Joined Mar 2008 | 9,228 Posts
What do ya think?? esp DJIA and S&P..

At lease this guys this so....

Don Harrold...

http://www.youtube.com/user/donharrold?ob=1

I used to go and listen, him making fun of Jim Creamer..


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  • Oct 8, 2008 3:29pm Oct 8, 2008 3:29pm
  •  jimbo61
  • | Joined May 2006 | Status: Member | 87 Posts
I have been watching the Fibonacci retracements on several different stocks and indexes.
The DJI has been in a pattern that you can see on the Daily Chart.
Just by using the latest slide from a high point to a low point in the past 9 months you can see that it retraces back to the 38% line, goes sideways, then heads back down taking out the the next target levels( -32.8 and -61.8)

Just my opinion, but I look for the DJI to fall to the 7400 -7000 area.
That is where I'll be waiting with my cash.

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  • Oct 8, 2008 3:47pm Oct 8, 2008 3:47pm
  •  FrankTheTank
  • | Joined Jan 2007 | Status: Member | 246 Posts
All I know is everytime I think the dow will go up (bounce), my trade turns into a big loser. I have tried to catch the bottom 3 times now and almost wiped out my account doing so.

Im done playing that game.
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  • Oct 8, 2008 4:17pm Oct 8, 2008 4:17pm
  •  jimbo61
  • | Joined May 2006 | Status: Member | 87 Posts
Quoting FrankTheTank
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All I know is everytime I think the dow will go up (bounce), my trade turns into a big loser. I have tried to catch the bottom 3 times now and almost wiped out my account doing so.

Im done playing that game.
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You really do not need to catch the bottom.
Wait for the bottom to show it self to you.
It will bounce up then retreat to a double bottom, or continue further downward to the next Fibo Levels. The -132 and -161 are very important levels that the "Big Boys" use for STOPS.
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  • Oct 8, 2008 4:37pm Oct 8, 2008 4:37pm
  •  FrankTheTank
  • | Joined Jan 2007 | Status: Member | 246 Posts
If I read your chart correctly, those levels are 700+ points apart?
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  • Oct 8, 2008 8:10pm Oct 8, 2008 8:10pm
  •  lucidlamp
  • | Joined May 2007 | Status: I do my best while asleep... | 238 Posts
the dow may go to 2000-4000, (down another 5000-7000 points) in 2-3 years...
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  • Oct 9, 2008 3:28pm Oct 9, 2008 3:28pm
  •  FXoffshore
  • Joined Aug 2007 | Status: History & Economic Cycles | 204 Posts
Quoting lucidlamp
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the dow may go to 2000-4000, (down another 5000-7000 points) in 2-3 years...
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I agree. This is a major Deflationary Depression Bear market. My team says we are in a deflationary fall that should see price levels back to 1974 prices. Dow under 999.

I just banked my S&P shorts to wait for the G-8 meeting Friday and Tuesday? I expect more intervention attempts and some coordianted jawboning efforts, but the market will reject the BS and set another new low by the end of next week.
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  • Oct 9, 2008 3:53pm Oct 9, 2008 3:53pm
  •  FXoffshore
  • Joined Aug 2007 | Status: History & Economic Cycles | 204 Posts
Short term S&P 500 count for consideration. I am looking for a relief rally to complete wave.iv maybe Monday, then short again for wave.v

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  • Oct 9, 2008 4:07pm Oct 9, 2008 4:07pm
  •  FrankTheTank
  • | Joined Jan 2007 | Status: Member | 246 Posts
wow. Another 6.8% drop in the Dow again today. What a week!

Did anyone else watch their charts between 3:30pm and market close? The dow just kept dropping and dropping. I saw it drop 100 points on 1 five minute bar!

Scary stuff. Thankfully I grabbed some nice profit on the drop but 98% of americans took a hit today. My poor dads IRA looks awful about now.....
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  • Oct 9, 2008 4:19pm Oct 9, 2008 4:19pm
  •  bigblue
  • | Joined Mar 2008 | Status: Irregular Trader | 76 Posts
S&P looks set for a long term bear to me - but I reckon thereīs a rally round the corner (maybe the famous christmas rally). Then I will get my pension and other stuff out the market cos long term it looks bad. US and UK are loaded with debt and overpriced real estate - itīll take years to unwind.
Just my opinion
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  • Oct 9, 2008 4:34pm Oct 9, 2008 4:34pm
  •  scexglobal
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This is not a bear run now. This is a crash. The decline is happening much too quickly, which points to possible 1-2 year bull market rallies. But no, long term the outlook is bad--as long as the deleveraging process is underway (in housing, HFs, carry trades, etc.). Make no mistake about it: We still haven't come out of the stock bubble that started in 1995.

As far as 700 on the SP500 is concerned, the question is when. Anything is possible. But I would be surprised if there wouldn't be muti-year rallies once P/Es come back to reality.
Beware the PPT, shorts.
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  •  scexglobal
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Quoting jimbo61
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Wait for the bottom to show it self to you.
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  • Oct 9, 2008 5:05pm Oct 9, 2008 5:05pm
  •  jimbo61
  • | Joined May 2006 | Status: Member | 87 Posts
Quoting scexglobal
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Well...that means "Don't just jump in when you think it is a bottom"
Wait for a good conformation..probably a couple different ones.
(38% or 50% retrace back up, then a double or triple bottom formation)
I'm just going to sit on the sidelines, except daytrading.
NO long term positions.
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  •  FXoffshore
  • Joined Aug 2007 | Status: History & Economic Cycles | 204 Posts
Here is a good S&P 500 chart from my friends at the Evil Speculator.
http://evilspeculator.com/?p=1236

Their real time commentary has been awesome, it fits with my style closely of trading naked, but counting waves. 5 down bank profits, 3 up short again. Keep an eye on the PPT line for rallies, and let them put money in your pocket.


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