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Quoting ryuryu
{image} check the chart. It is DOGEusdt 5 min See there are 3-in-a-row delta entry. After that I start to build my position. All done. I have about +1.34% profit with that trade and 1x leverage max was used (so literally no margin used).
2nd entry - major shift in delta (from big orange to green), clear bias (red tape, not yellow). After that - some liquidity grab - acting as confirmation. Target near level which is equal to depth of last retracement.

1st entry - bias yellow.
3rd entry - bias yellow, minor shift in delta.
Quoting ffpriceactio
{quote} How do you come up with that number ? As far as I understand your ways it must be experience.
Gold

If volume is low and under 333 executed market orders a minute, the passive limit orders control direction
If volume is high and over 333 executed market orders a minute, aggressive market orders control direction.

Based on Futures Data from CME
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Quoting ffpriceactio
Allow me to drop this link about OrderBook "patterns". Have no experience, no idea. However they seem to know what they are doing... or should I say selling . https://fxssi.com/order-book-trading
The order book contains a wish list of orders only, they may be real or they may be fake.
The Time & Sales book only shows 100% real executions.

Which one do you want to follow?

Personally I only follow what's real but I have to be able to enter with extreme speed without hesitation.
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Quoting RickM
{quote} Which one do you want to follow?
I want money so i follow real money.
I joined discord as MarcinPL via github. I will digest what you created here from scratch. I should change my nickname to "cold press juicer".
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Some interesting researches on limit orders. At the end of document is simple summary of such researches.
- The moment when informed traders make transactions, liquidity providers demand larger spreads, and liquidity takers temporarily stop making trades, leading to a temporary lack of liquidity
- Limit orders submitted outside the market (bid-ask) present a low informational level, and the authors estimate their influence on the price discovery process to be close to 22%
- More aggressive orders have a significant price impact, in the following order: market orders, limit orders submitted at the market (bid-ask), limit orders submitted outside the market (bid-ask)
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Many good papers about price discovery available for free. " Limit Orders impact" discussion is endless, however interesting (it takes a long journey that sth like that is interesting
BTW. Just donwloaded ATAS (free for crypto). Hopefully i didnot bend some rules on marketing vendors. I just inform this platform has got a lot of volume related tools. Can connect to bybit and 3 other crypto + CME.

I have no experience with that platform. I have no knowledge on real volume. I also have no idea about crypto. It looks perfect for me to start happy triggering
QuantOver has 25% discount untill 28 (today) with a code which pops out on their website.
Quoting ffpriceactio
QuantOver has 25% discount untill 28 (today) with a code which pops out on their website.
Its free if you join AMP Futures. All you need is $100 to open a account with a monthy Data fees of $33 for the US markets.
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Wow. PowerTrade is extra! What a tool.
I think that easier would be to buy from QuantOver directly for few more bucks. 33 vs. 40.
Quoting ffpriceactio
Wow. PowerTrade is extra! What a tool. I think that easier would be to buy from QuantOver directly for few more bucks. 33 vs. 40.
The Power Trade tool on Quantower is one of the most interesting indy's I have seen on a Futures platform. Here is some setups I was trading a few months back (just looked for an example) when I was fading EURUSD I think.

It can be used two ways,
On low to average volume levels - look to Fade high volume bars (as in the chart posted)
During higher volume periods - look to trade breakouts which is a better option.
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Quoting RickM
{quote} The Power Trade tool on Quantower is one of the most interesting indy's I have seen on a Futures platform. Here is some setups I was trading a few months back (just looked for an example) when I was fading EURUSD I think. It can be used two ways, On low to average volume levels - look to Fade high volume bars (as in the chart posted) During higher volume periods - look to trade breakouts which is a better option. {image}
Thanks for that Rick , i will check it out
Quoting RickM
{quote} The Power Trade tool on Quantower is one of the most interesting indy's I have seen on a Futures platform. Here is some setups I was trading a few months back (just looked for an example) when I was fading EURUSD I think. It can be used two ways, On low to average volume levels - look to Fade high volume bars (as in the chart posted) During higher volume periods - look to trade breakouts which is a better option. {image}
So 1st setup is basically joining the absorption, deducted from price reaction (stop) and high volume (buying)
As to 2nd scenario - could you add some explanation ? trade breakouts after breakout , during breakout, or in anticipation of breakout ? I guess you mean: during breakout, but how PowerTrade can help. I would expect that it is more your DOM skills applied in that scenario, right ?

Also did you mean: " on low to average volume periods ", by periods i assume you mean: sessions.
Quoting ffpriceactio
{quote} So 1st setup is basically joining the absorption, deducted from price reaction (stop) and high volume (buying) As to 2nd scenario - could you add some explanation ? trade breakouts after breakout , during breakout, or in anticipation of breakout ? I guess you mean: during breakout, but how PowerTrade can help. I would expect that it is more your DOM skills applied in that scenario, right ? Also did you mean: " on low to average volume periods ", by periods i assume you mean: sessions.
First setup is created because the aggressive market orders are so weak they can't force its way through passive orders sitting in the books - the force of this weak attempt results in a market bounce.

If the tool shows an area of high volume at a typical break out zone during a high volume period, it just shows the region where a limit order cluster was bleached, destroyed and price will accelate with speed away from this breakout point. YOU HAVE TO JUMP IN FAST WITH THE MOMENTUM.

The Dom will show this as well, the choice is whether you can ditch candlesticks and only look at data streams, or watch both at the same time.

OR

If the Dom's not for you, trade off the Power Trade tool instead.

I picked the Nasdaq to trade the Power Trade indy with - its actually possible to make money with it from London Open to New York Close. My best profits came from high volume breakouts 1 hour before New York Open till New York close. Best settings are around the M1, the pre-set values in the indy are very close to the correct settings.

I don't use it at present as I have other tools that work better for me but its still the same information.
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I was stupid for ranting about clusterdelta. When i tried it i tried to analise some secondary magicl tools within this package (splash, infusion etc) instead of concentrating on basic: delta, volume, footprint (volume|delta) . Today i tried again with basics. What a good feeling to be backed by real data.
Quoting RickM
{quote} First setup is.
RickM thank you for your patience and such quality knowledge you share.
Quoting ffpriceactio
{quote} RickM thank you for your patience and such quality knowledge you share.
3% today and growing. Method: follow the money
Quoting RickM
{quote} The Market Orders that flow through the order books paints another picture, it shows us pressure of either upticks or downticks on a chart. This allows us to see the Algo's trading the spreads on a chart by altering liquidity around 0.25 of a second before trade execution - causing momentum in itself. Why is that an advantage in trading? We can see whether the Auction is complete or imcomplete - which forms a chain of 0's on the register which mean alot if price hestitates with indecision....
Started trial with Optimus platform - some basic order flow tools included, various data vendors, easy instalation, simple, not over complicated.
It includes own version of PowerTrade.

I like the idea of momentum created by vanishing fake limit orders. If limit order vanishes next one is at different price. So market orders get executed with worst price. Sometimes price is dragged to some levels , it is exhausted but step by step it crawls to that level. Is it possibly that situation - the way limit orders are placed removed and distributed ? "Ingineered" to force dragging price to some level.

Footprint alone makes a difference. Having real futures data gives confidence. Also prevents froom stupid acts against current flow of volume.
Quoting ffpriceactio
{quote} Started trial with Optimus platform - some basic order flow tools included, various data vendors, easy instalation, simple, not over complicated. It includes own version of PowerTrade. I like the idea of momentum created by vanishing fake limit orders. If limit order vanishes next one is at different price. So market orders get executed with worst price. Sometimes price is dragged to some levels , it is exhausted but step by step it crawls to that level. Is it possibly that situation - the way limit orders are placed removed and distributed...

There are no "fake" limit orders. Each limit order = money, locked in it. So it is literally impossible to create as many limit orders as you want to create "fake" walls.
But. You must understand one thing. You have 100$, I have 100$, Rick have 100$, but big player have 111111111111$ in the pocket. That's why I can't create the wall, you can't but he can.
As I see (ages of monitoring) they are doing the same thing all the time. They are using walls to stop the price. Also they are removing it if the want the price to go.
Why. Because imagine you want to calculate how many orders in the orderbook? How you can make it? You know I have 100$, you have 100$ etc. And we don't know how many "us" around.
But the big player knows. Why and how? Easy. If his orders are 111111111$ and there are 11111111+200$ then "our" orders are 200$ only. See? then it will remove its own wall and eat our 200$ order to push the price to the desired level.
Observer effect
First day with "DOM surface" from Quantower. 4%. In crazy market conditions.

What can i say... it is really an unfair advantage. UNFAIR. It is like footprint on stereoids.

BTW I did not know that Optimus uses Quantower. I only realized when i downloaded Quantower from Quantower website.
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