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acetrader Jan 23, 2020 7:34pm | Post# 1421

{quote} I'll try to answer to your questions a ) for the selection about the moving averages I am not too sure but I heard that hosoda backtested ichimoku with thousands of students of the tokyo university when he did create it .With my experience with ichimoku it make sense to have several moving averages to detect quicker or slower the moves in the market. But like you have written in your posts , it has a lot to do with cycles as well b) the forward and backward has to do with cycles of market and important levels of supports and resiistances...
Hidekin, My friend @ the end of the day all that matters is what ever your doing, IS IT WORKING FOR YOU??? If YES, then continue, but always be willing to learn something new. If that something new turns out to be cycles, then Parisboy is your man. Years ago I gave Ichimoku a trial run, but could never get my mind around it. Cycles I get & what I've learned is all from Parisboy & a few others. Just my 2 pips worth & nothing more. Ichimoku on my friend. Best wishes.

fundiwambao Jan 24, 2020 1:32am | Post# 1422

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fundiwambao Jan 24, 2020 1:37am | Post# 1423

Hello Everyone... Does anyone know anything about sacred geometry and the combination of shapes? I keep seeing circles on the graph. I can't sleep well with this on my head. Plato believed that ... the harmony of the spheres, and their mathematical numbers, are 5 perfect solids placed inside each other. {image}
The earth is the sphere, the measure of all; round it describe a dodecahedron; the sphere including this will be Mars.

Round Mars describe a tetrahedron; the sphere including this will be Jupiter.

Describe a cube round Jupiter; the sphere including this will be Saturn.

Now, inscribe in the earth an icosahedron, the sphere inscribed in it will be Venus: inscribe an octahedron in Venus: the circle inscribed in it will be Mercury.

Johannes Kepler, Mysterium Cosmographicum (1596)


BWilliam Jan 24, 2020 1:51am | Post# 1424

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hidekin Jan 24, 2020 3:02am | Post# 1425

{quote} Hidekin, My friend @ the end of the day all that matters is what ever your doing, IS IT WORKING FOR YOU??? If YES, then continue, but always be willing to learn something new. If that something new turns out to be cycles, then Parisboy is your man. Years ago I gave Ichimoku a trial run, but could never get my mind around it. Cycles I get & what I've learned is all from Parisboy & a few others. Just my 2 pips worth & nothing more. Ichimoku on my friend. Best wishes.
totally agree with you but cycles are also part of the ichimoku system as well but it's mostly known by japanese not westerners not that different than gann in my experience . Just the way of using them and plotting them is different . Like gann is about using geometry and cycles , ichimoku is about using the cloud and understanding it and using cycles as well and waves theory . I have also started to use ichimoku with gann together . I have noticed a few things about ichimoku I didn't notice before . I think both system have more in common than peoples think . One thing is that my mosted used technique are cycles but from ichimoku system before I started to learn gann . I became interested to gann after I learned cycles from japanese books from the ichimoku theory .
Cycles are also the most important part of ichimoku , hosoda like gann told that time is the most important thing in the market not price . I think it's really interesting how all those many trading system have time cycles included into them

timeandprice Jan 24, 2020 3:24am | Post# 1426

re Ichimoku, i dont use it myself, but Kai is a nice chap and was taught by the Grandfather of Ichimoku himself...
Lots of free videos on his take on it if you have the time.

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hidekin Jan 24, 2020 3:26am | Post# 1427

re Ichimoku, i dont use it myself, but Kai is a nice chap and was taught by the Grandfather of Ichimoku himself... Lots of free videos on his take on it if you have the time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypsbzl8lwC8
yes really intresting channel too bad he made way after I learned ichimoku cycles by myself .

hidekin Jan 24, 2020 3:30am | Post# 1428

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Not many peoples know about it but hosoda also used the 45 degre angle with ichimoku so it makes sense to use gann with it .
We can notice on the two different screenshots how the tenkan broke when the 1/1 trendline also broke together . I'll research more about it but I think i'm into something about how I can use ichimoku and gann techniques together . Still a gann beginner so I can be wrong about it , but hosoda talked about 45 degre as well .

parisboy Jan 24, 2020 5:40am | Post# 1429

{quote} I don’t think I have ever run into a trader who is so well read on the subject of trading time, cycles, waves, Elliot, Gartly, Hurst, Jenkins, Gann..........I would call that dedication to your profession, and I salute you for that and thank you for your many posts. I wasn’t going to go down the road relative to Tenkan, Kijun, Chinkou, Kumo but always knew these time components were in place.....but the way they are traded here in NA leaves much to be desired.
Swede,

I am not a Jenkins specialist. For that See Diamond.

Anyway it is really easy to understand the core of Jenkins methodology.

- Price Time Conversion
- Translation of your Y Axis - you determine the Angle of your Main trend, this becomes your new 90 ° Y Axis, hence you translate all your chart components accordingly

BWilliam Jan 24, 2020 6:04am | Post# 1430

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hidekin Jan 24, 2020 6:23am | Post# 1431

GU - Kumo precision. Kumo is painted into the future. So kumo predicted the future or price trades according to kumo ? {image} {image}
if you use the kumo with a higher timeframe for the levels like resistance and the entries on the lower ones it's really accurate. I usually use the cycles with the kumo when we are near a resistance to look for shorts per example . When you have confluence of many cycles you can look into short opportunities. I'll take some time ths weekend to show a few examples .

What is really important is also the reaction of the chikou span with levels , like even gann ones . It shows the confirmation of a change of a trend and can be used in many ways .

BWilliam Jan 24, 2020 6:27am | Post# 1432

{quote} if you use the kumo with a higher timeframe for the levels like resistance and the entries on the lower ones it's really accurate. I usually use the cycles with the kumo when we are near a resistance to look for shorts per example . When you have confluence of many cycles you can look into short opportunities. I'll take some time ths weekend to show a few examples . What is really important is also the reaction of the chikou span with levels , like even gann ones . It shows the confirmation of a change of a trend and can be used in many...
Kumo is the automated calculation of time and future price, no need for manual drawing of lines.

Marcieny Jan 24, 2020 6:28am | Post# 1433

{quote} The earth is the sphere, the measure of all; round it describe a dodecahedron; the sphere including this will be Mars. Round Mars describe a tetrahedron; the sphere including this will be Jupiter. Describe a cube round Jupiter; the sphere including this will be Saturn. Now, inscribe in the earth an icosahedron, the sphere inscribed in it will be Venus: inscribe an octahedron in Venus: the circle inscribed in it will be Mercury. Johannes Kepler, Mysterium Cosmographicum (1596)
Beautifull ...the nature is beautiful...
it takes a lot of wisdom to understand this ... metatron cube is the structure that makes up our universe, pythagoras already believed that there is an order in the universe and an intelligence behind it ... the universe is not chaos it has an intelligence behind, my friend, called God.
the nature is beautiful...

hidekin Jan 24, 2020 6:30am | Post# 1434

{quote} Kumo is the automated calculation of time and future price, no need for manual drawing of lines.
yes on the current timeframe . It's why you use it as well from a higher timeframe for more accuracy . I usually use the weekly cloud with the daily chart , or the daily and 4H together . 1H and 15min . Also another detail it's a price projection from past price in the futur it doesn't predict any price by just using the cloud . It's why you need to use the observation and wave theory for it . The cloud tell you many details like the trend and the range . You can use the cloud on other timeframes for support or resistances . Cycles are often used with the cloud displacement into the future .

acetrader Jan 24, 2020 7:39am | Post# 1435

{quote} totally agree with you but cycles are also part of the ichimoku system as well but it's mostly known by japanese not westerners not that different than gann in my experience . Just the way of using them and plotting them is different . Like gann is about using geometry and cycles , ichimoku is about using the cloud and understanding it and using cycles as well and waves theory . I have also started to use ichimoku with gann together . I have noticed a few things about ichimoku I didn't notice before . I think both system have more in common...
I can see Gann & Ichimoku can be used together & it is apparent you have a clear understanding of how to trade with Ichimoku. I trade a totally different method that was put together after much research over several years & along the way Ichimoku was given a serious look, but just could never understand it enough to trade it. Gann & Hurst have had my interest for many years. Never really investigated Hurst until discovering Parisboy's thread which is a treasure trove of Hurst & cycle knowledge. Gann, Hurst, Cycles & Ichimoku all have some of the same components. In fact cycles are everywhere. This thread even goes in cycles. Much posting some days & some days not so much. Weather has cycles.....you get the idea. It is what you do with those cycle that matters. Parisboy is clearly showing how to use cycles in trading. He has open my eyes. I am now even noticing cycles inside of cycles. I see Parisboy as having very few peers when it come to cycles....at least very few peers on the Factory. There are many on this thread that are freely sharing much hard earned knowledge about cycles & geometry of trading. All connected information & can be applied to trading any market. Hurst was very clear in what he shared about cycles, but Gann The Man was crypted in some of his material. As I said before......whatever is working for you keep doing it & always be willing to learn more each days. Even after being in this business for over 40 years I learn somehting new each week. Diamondman has created a great thread with many freely sharing their knowledge. One of the best threads on the Factory.

Sorry for the rant. Just my views & nothing more. No advice given...…….just suggestions made. Best trades to you on your journey.

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hidekin Jan 24, 2020 8:01am | Post# 1436

{quote} I can see Gann & Ichimoku can be used together & it is apparent you have a clear understanding of how to trade with Ichimoku. I trade a totally different method that was put together after much research over several years & along the way Ichimoku was given a serious look, but just could never understand it enough to trade it. Gann & Hurst have had my interest for many years. Never really investigated Hurst until discovering Parisboy's thread which is a treasure trove of Hurst & cycle knowledge. Gann, Hurst, Cycles & Ichimoku all have some...
No worries , I joined forexfactory because this topic was shared to me and I learned a lot by reading the past comments I am overall new in trading but I learned a lot in a few years by studying by myself and using the tools available to me . I only started to learn how to trade since early 2018 . Ichimoku was one of the few indicators that really interested me so I looked into it a lot and learned the cycles and most of ichimoku has to offer as a trading tool , gann will add to my knowledge of cycles and geometry . I bought recently the tunnel thru the air book to try to decipher some of gann secrets haha not easy . Btw hosoda also have hidden some secrets in ichimoku like gann did. Both can be complementary anyway.

parisboy Jan 24, 2020 8:21am | Post# 1437

{quote} totally agree with you but cycles are also part of the ichimoku system as well but it's mostly known by japanese not westerners not that different than gann in my experience . Just the way of using them and plotting them is different . Like gann is about using geometry and cycles , ichimoku is about using the cloud and understanding it and using cycles as well and waves theory . I have also started to use ichimoku with gann together . I have noticed a few things about ichimoku I didn't notice before . I think both system have more...
Hidekin no one in the "west" has some knowledge about Ichimoku because no one knows what it is, what are Ichimoku basics.

No one knows Ichimoku basics because no one speaks and read japanese;

Hence, all our knowledge about Ichimoku comes from the book from Manesh Patel - an american guy of indian origin.

The question is do you trust Patel ? how are you sure he has fully understood Ichimoku in a correct way?

Hence every book , PDF etc published about Ichimoku is a xerox reproduction of what Patel wrote.

Moreover Ichimoku "traders" use only a part of the available information. I never saw anybody using the Wave principle and the Timespan principle which are part of the method according to the various books published.

Nicole Elliott wrote in his book - Chapter 4 : The 3 principles - P 45 :

" The next step in Ichimoku cloud analysis : The thorough cloud analyst looks at patterns, waves and calculates price and time targets.

This 3 pillars of the analysis are known as the :

1. Wave Principle
2. Price Target
3. Timespan Principle

They must be used simultaneously as they are fondamentally interconnected.

For Western analysts much of this will be , if familiar, then common sense.

Common sense or not, I never saw a guy using Ichimoku using the " 3 Pillars" of the method together.

My conclusion is that the "thorough cloud analysts" are not so "thorough"

parisboy Jan 24, 2020 8:36am | Post# 1438

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moreover you will notice that Nicole Elliott does not follow (at least publicly) her own advice : using the 3 Pillars together

When she publishes a serious paper for the japanese bank Mizuho Corporate Bank for which she worked at the time (2009) when she wrote her analysis, Nicole Elliott does not use the Wave Principle nor the Timespan Principle !

IMHO the reason is, no reader would have a clue about what she would have been talking about.

Additional question : can we label Nicole Elliott as a "thorough analyst" ?
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mchl13 Jan 24, 2020 8:41am | Post# 1439

your opinion on, Khalid El Bouzidi

parisboy Jan 24, 2020 8:54am | Post# 1440

your opinion on, Khalid El Bouzidi
nice guy - we were in touch on a french forum , DailyFX if I remember .

Obviously I explained him the same things about cycles and Ichimoku parameters I explained here. He was briefly interested, but returned quickly to basic Ichimoku analysis (at least for me)

Khalid claimed having found a better way to trade with Ichimoku. I can not judge.

Khalid published 2 books. I read one in a specialized bookshop in Paris, but did not buy it, because I did not see something new


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