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auricforecas Aug 25, 2019 2:57pm | Post# 1

Why Are We Here? If you are really here for profits, please read!
 
Ok, I have noticed... that not all are here for the profits.. otherwise they won't be bothered with ANYTHING and be focused on the MONEY/PROFITS..
I have noticed that not so few members ignore other members that DO contribute and their predicitons HAPPEN... So why anyone, in their right mind, that is here for the money, would ban/ignore ANYONE that is bringing THE JUICE to the thread/forum? The only possible explanation that I can find... other then "ignorance".. is that
some are here to lose You can find the reference in many official (professional) books..

I strongly recommend this clips, that might wake-up your mind... about WHY ARE YOU HERE... If you are here for other things, wonderful!
Would just be appreciated if you let others know maybe.. so some do not lose time giving you valuable advices/signals for free... and then being pissed on, ignored etc.. in return... I have been checking some members that might contribue here the most (in PROFIT potential terms), not bullshiting, switching/ditching accounts, giving vague "forecasts", hiding their TEs, modifying/editing/deleting posts that didn't happen.. or pretending they didn't post completely wrong signals... with HIGH PROBABILITy.. and people BLEW accounts on it...

Ok so here is the situation with some (you be the judge about the % of them, I suspect it might not be negligible)...

Ask yourself why are you here:

  1. Do you want RESPECT or MONEY? SEE THIS CLIP!
  2. Are you looking for FRIENDS or MONEY? Some motivational CLIP.
  3. Are you here to WIN or to LOSE? HIGHLY recommending this clip!

They seem to be retarded questions but still many people do not know (or forget) the answer or are not aware of their stance (even if subconsciously)..

And check this series! You will see why people lose even if they have the potential! Most of them would blow account even if they would go BACK in the past, knowing the CHART in advance... because they had so many issues, fixations etc...

Why do you think they ask questions like this in the interview? Or why this clip is very realistic. Do you think some members here really abuse you? Think again, see this clip PLEASE! They want to see if your focus is right, if you have what it takes, if you can submit yourself for THE MISSION aka MAIN OBJECTIVE (making money).... and not letting any other issue (revenge, egotrip, fixation, whatever...) get in a way.. because many BLOW accounts, even if they have it... because of those issues... It is nice to know you can rely on someones HUNGER for money/profit ALONE.. without dealing/pricing-it very costly personality issues

This is how markets are! Check my funny but realistic POST!

Markets are toughest monster (to handle, if possible at all, longterm at least) you might ever encounter. And if you have ANY fixation, egotrip, OCD, whatever... your trades will (Eventually) blow in your face... Because it is hard as it is... border impossible, but possible for some... And the one that do make it... I would dare to say... are focus on MONEY/PROFIT alone... It is hard enough without pricing in some fixation.. Some people are obsessed with buying the dips or selling highs or whatever.. if this does, and often does... gets in a way of trading... they will LOSE... It is very hard to find all good qualities in ONE person (trader), that is why trading firms, funds.. benefit.. because usually one is very good at something... (at the expense of something else usually Some is very good at price prediction but emotional wreck.. Some are very "good boys", they do exactly what they are told but can't produce a single profitable trade.. Etc.. It would be great to combine THE JUICE of everyone, everyone does have something... and combine it together into EPIC trades.. But very few seem to be interested in this..

AND YEAH, the best guys... Even Trump was saying this a lot of times.. Best negotiators, experts, traders or ANY super-skilled people are usually ASSHOLES/nutcases; almost impossible to deal with It comes with the territory... But if one is interested in ther JUICE, their personality should be secondary...

Do you want a NICE/POLITE trader... that will BLOW your money or do you want the can help you make MONEY?

I would understand if any people here would ban/ignore people that bring nothing but shit... But it seems that POPULARITY is not proportional to THE JUICE... I have been checking some forums and the one that got it right the most are the least popular, most ignored... And the ones that wold blow account after another...

Ok, you get my point... Share your thoughts please, if you want...

BTW, this is what I love about "WALL STREET" or FINANCIAL markets in general... It is clear (not talking about bullshit trading like liquidity providing, executing by order etc... BUT REAL trading aka PRICE prediction or TECH/MARKET/PA exploit/manage.. etc..) what is expected... THE JUICE.. aka DELIVERING ALPHA... All other things are basically irrelevant... If one is good at something valuable.. but very bad (cryptonit reference) at something else.. they just delegate that component to someone else... so that trades go to some more reliable person for example... but JUICE of all types is appreciated.. As long as you BRING IT... you can do anything, do anything.. piss on the floor (in private... whatever As soon as this is not true, OUT! Opposite to some other professions where performance is secondary to ass-kissing etc... I hope at least SOMEONE would get what I'm talking about... Because how some people here are.. they would have hard time making any cent even if they had INSIDE info 5 hours before... Just to illustrate you the point...

Gordon Gekko: "It's not always the most popular person who gets the job done." WS87

P.S. Took quite an effort to write this and find/link the link... Would appreciate if you read/watch... But due to the fear too many trolls will reply.. I might not READ it for a while just in case

I wish some members will read this and consider working with others even if they do not like them... Putting ego (pride, competitiveness, arrogance) aside... for the benefit of making EPIC money, together... Some are good at technicals, some fundamentals etc... and they RARELY mix well Let's work together, how about that?
That is being a professional is all about, specially REAL trader... dealing with "enemies" if you have to... uniting FOR PROFITS made together! Think about it!


Squiggles Oct 20, 2019 1:22pm | Post# 2

sequential

detector Oct 20, 2019 2:10pm | Post# 3

Auricforecas, to answer your first question,
Me personally, I would like to think my contribution has some benefit, I can say this now as I seem to be getting somewhere, without giving what I have away, I'm prepared to put in print what I'm doing, before the event, if it helps great, if not there is no need to visit, I can be ignored, I'm trading to make money, end of, If I thought for one moment my posts are unwelcome I would pick up my football and leave the pitch.
If, as a would be trader, when you start to get results, there would be no need to be on a forum, you would consider you journey achieved, carry on in private, however, what we cannot forget is it all started somewhere for us, so we try and help like we were helped, that is not to say we are a success, we find that bit out on the journey.
You deserve the reply as you are an avid poster with good contribution, I'm sure there will be no trolls, good honest replies, will have a think on the rest and post, Detector

STrading Oct 20, 2019 5:45pm | Post# 4

We are here because we are not succesfull in this game. It will hurt some egos but its the truth. We are not here to lose whe are here because we cant win.

Bk55 Oct 20, 2019 6:29pm | Post# 5

boredom

auricforecas Oct 20, 2019 7:57pm | Post# 6

Auricforecas, to answer your first question, Me personally, I would like to think my contribution has some benefit, I can say this now as I seem to be getting somewhere, without giving what I have away, I'm prepared to put in print what I'm doing, before the event, if it helps great, if not there is no need to visit, I can be ignored, I'm trading to make money, end of, If I thought for one moment my posts are unwelcome I would pick up my football and leave the pitch. If, as a would be trader, when you start to get results, there would be no need...
Great reply! This thread was inspired because I noticed that some traders have so many issues... and even If they might be a good traders (forecasters or whatever) those issues might be preventing them to be profitable... I talk about this trading components a lot... I noticed that some might be profitable but miss on this very thing... ego-play... I mean, I do not care who is right, wrong or takes the credit.. I would love for all of us to make good money I mean, if I (my forecasts) would appear to be a complete shit... and I would see that some trader that I maybe didn't even like... are giving some golden signals that make money.. I would have zero problem throwing all my analyses into trash and start trading by his/her signals... gladly admitting I am/was wrong.. If you understand... Found out that not many would do this here... They would prefer hold their losing "system" to the ground (and beyond) than admitting that they were wrong... That was the whole idea...
So that is a good thing about trader... you find a lot about yourself.. It adds HEAT (fire) under the "test tube" and the traders ("elements") start to show their properties That is why I love WS people... relatively... Because you can count on them and are rather predictable.. As long as you provide them... deliver... they would have no problem kissing your ass.. to say the least... contrary to some people that would rather be broke than admit they are not all-knowing... Hope you (all) know what I am talking about Have seen many deals/business fail due to this ego shit, not to mention jealousy or whatever.. It's sad...

auricforecas Oct 20, 2019 8:06pm | Post# 7

We are here because we are not succesfull in this game. It will hurt some egos but its the truth. We are not here to lose whe are here because we cant win.
I think you are in a good track if you are at least giving this option open... I believe that before we even have a chance to become "everything", we might accept that we might be "nothing"... That is army princple, if I understand it.. They crack the egos in this drill sergeant drills and then start to build-them... I found out that many do not want to TRY (at least more times than once) just to avoid being a "loser"...

Losers are awesome.. Because they try... And the less juice one has... at leas he can increase the chances by TRYING... Well yeah, it would be best to increase "the juice" and number of trials...

Love this quote(s) from School for Scoundrels (2006) Read more: https://www.springfieldspringfield.c...coundrels-2006
"Tell me something- are you a loser? I asked you a question- are... you... a... loser? Um... yes? No. You see, a loser is someone who tries but fails, who shoots but misses. But I got a suspicion that you don't take any shots."

Or in Arnold's words (countless clip on this exact topic: about FAILING...
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Won't search the quote but he said that real winners don't even care if they WIN or LOSE They just DO IT, REPEAT TILL FAILURE and repeat again

Or like this... Will traders FAIL? You bet... But the winners will PICK UP their asses and try again.... You have to have a passion or... it is not logical
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I think that, I honestly believe.. that REAL trader (not filling orders, providing liquidity etc.. but REAL trader... like price prediction, patter recognition or whatever...) fails so many times that he doesn't even remember.. BEFORE he might get CRAZY profits...
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So I think you are on the right track... I believe when you will see the right opportunity (no matter who's idea it was) you will take it.. unlike many egotrippers

BTW you guys wouldn't believe how many traders rather QUIT than admit that some other guy GOT it.. And they got the option to take PART of it... So they would be rich too, just a little less But some guys rather see to have NOTHING than to have SOMETHING out of other traders idea... I mean, I personally don't care if you make billion, if I get a million, for example Some wouldn't settle for nothing bellow 1:1... and even if they do not contribute... just have an option to RIDE along.. But to each it's own... That is why I was posting so much... in hopes someone would tell me where I am wrong maybe and we can improve, both get better money But some are just looking for confirmation of their style/philosophy.. and if they do not agree, they press ignore.. And the profitability is not even a factor of them.. That is what I was asking.. why are they here.. because doing this is inconsistent with logic... Should people be here for money, many would act much differently! Chase the money, profits, regardless who took/takes the credit for it...

havo Oct 20, 2019 8:43pm | Post# 8

In trading there is money on the line.. why are you doing this? WHY you want money? what are you going to do with it?? IF you dont have a clear answer for that AND that answer doesnt burn your ass with with 105 octane fuel with pure determination then guess what? YOU ARE NOT GONA MAKE IT !!

why??

because you WILL fail a lot, your tiny ego WILL get destroyed and smashed into cosmic dust and spit back at you !! who da fack cares about what works and how? thats the most stupid shit a human can do!


again.. the ONLY reward from trading its $$ period


I fully agree with @Auricforecas with such a big forum/community that IN THEORY its looking for the same goal, if everyone band together, sharing, testing ideas and discarding what doesnt work, i can guarantee that EVERYONE involved would be making money left and right

you want to make $$ or lose it?? you want to be a ego filled dumbass forever or be able to actually withdraw money and enjoy it??

your call =)

auricforecas Oct 20, 2019 9:11pm | Post# 9

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In trading there is money on the line.. why are you doing this? WHY you want money? what are you going to do with it?? IF you dont have a clear answer for that AND that answer doesnt burn your ass with with 105 octane fuel with pure determination then guess what? YOU ARE NOT GONA MAKE IT !! why?? because you WILL fail a lot, your tiny ego WILL get destroyed and smashed into cosmic dust and spit back at you !! who da fack cares about what works and how? thats the most stupid shit a human can do! again.. the ONLY reward from trading its $$ period...
Exactly man! Agree with every word Meanwhile found good quote from Arnold - he also quotes Michael Jordan (direct link to exact time: t=2m43) FAIL is not an OPTION... IT IS A MUST!

The real naysayers DO NOT EVEN TRY... at anything... I know some professionals (from certain professions) that are turned off by trading, by default, they can not grasp the idea that there are no guarantees, no planned path, no ass-kissing, brown-nosing way to the PROFITS... Just market... And the market doesn't care if you (anyone) were/are a GOOD BOY...reads 100 books per month or if he had the lucky strike and the only thing he reads are STRIP/comic books or MEMEs...

P.S. I love this chart bellow.. I found analogy to trading, I just replace... Happiness with TRADING SUCESS... and INTELLIGENCE with TIME/JUICE... Which would mean.. that should one spent a lot of time or have a good amount of juice... markets doesn't care if he has 10 PhDs... work "HARD" 20h a day... OR!!! Doesn't GIVE a shit.. about anything... Sleep till noon and trade what he dreamt about.. and make massive profits... And yes, I have met a guy who has extraordinary -don't know what exactly-.. pattern recognition? and can make TRADES out of NAKED chart without ANYthing (zero other tools)... and makes crazy predictions... Do not know how much of it was luck but... it seemed impressive to many (anyone that was shown certain amount of demonstrations)...
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And f. yes.. Let's get together and MAKE BIG MONEY.. with group effort! I do not give a single shit who gets the credit as long as we are on the profit train

Macd-rsi Oct 20, 2019 9:53pm | Post# 10

nice thread with good clips "recommendations"

Many reasons:
1) FF itself like UN-United Union
2) during our abysmal ignorance, FF among the great sources of our "later knowlege"
3) we seek suitable environment as forex traders. do not expect to find us in football fields, or as shepherds in deserts.
مثل عربي: الطيور على أعشاشها تقع
Arabic proverb.
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RobyTurboSS Oct 20, 2019 10:58pm | Post# 11

We are here because we are not succesfull in this game. It will hurt some egos but its the truth. We are not here to lose whe are here because we cant win.
maybe you...am here because is boring between a trade and another ... many will never make money because of their lack of knowledge and skills ...you can't win because 99% of you are lazy and do nothing than drawing lines on charts and using laggy tools created by the brokers(every trading platform is full of the same shit) ,all your TA looking cloned ,do you expect to be paid for such a great effort ??!??!The beauty of this game is that he doesn't allow the average Joe to be successful...

Mandariin Oct 21, 2019 12:56am | Post# 12

{quote} The beauty of this game is that he doesn't allow the average Joe to be successful...
In any game average Joe is average.
How you do one thing is how you do everything

STrading Oct 21, 2019 10:33am | Post# 13

{quote} maybe you...am here because is boring between a trade and another ... many will never make money because of their lack of knowledge and skills ...you can't win because 99% of you are lazy and do nothing than drawing lines on charts and using laggy tools created by the brokers(every trading platform is full of the same shit) ,all your TA looking cloned ,do you expect to be paid for such a great effort ??!??!The beauty of this game is that he doesn't allow the average Joe to be successful...
"It will hurt some egos but its the truth"

RobyTurboSS Oct 21, 2019 11:28am | Post# 14

{quote} "It will hurt some egos but its the truth"
The average Joe is always complaining ...the only truth is you are lazzy

STrading Oct 21, 2019 12:06pm | Post# 15

{quote} The average Joe is always complaining
You came here placing yourself as an above average joe and then complained that traders are lazy, place lines on the chart...
And then you say average joe is always complaining.
Guess we all know now what type of joe you fit in, and it isnt the average.

john0415 Oct 21, 2019 12:25pm | Post# 16

{quote} The average Joe is always complaining ...the only truth is you are lazzy
Just stay away from this shit he called roby.

ForestX Oct 21, 2019 12:41pm | Post# 17

I've been waiting for someone to put big balls in this kinda thread. Me myself been having problems with inner-self. How small ballsy I am at trading even when I get a really good forecasting while just looking at anything with any indicators because I put my own ego aside but when I need to decide whether to click Buy/Sell button. My ego starts dumping pure BS on me because of how overconfident I am and get into things too early.

Might as well trade with someone else by my side while bragging how shit my TA is for him but at least get some of the perspective on why this ACTUAL Trade can make profit's (Doesn't matter if its only couple of cents or couple of quick bucks)

Then I understood when I was trading in one of the great groups in my country how everyone was trading together and making really good F*cking profits out of the markets because everyone combined their perspective(Sadly I want to participate with not only them too see other sleepless traders who keeps tracking what are the markets are showing to them).

Everything aside for me Forex/Metals and etc what is possible to trade is squeeze the juice out of the markets to make my balance dance in profits after good week of trading. Losses are minimal to wake you up that you're LIVE trading not cuddling some demo account with decent performance and feeling fine while You can make any amount of money into triple, quadruple % profit.

RobyTurboSS Oct 21, 2019 12:47pm | Post# 18

{quote} You came here placing yourself as an above average joe and then complained that traders are lazy, place lines on the chart... And then you say average joe is always complaining. Guess we all know now what type of joe you fit in, and it isnt the average.
i built my own prop trading platform ...am running my own show without any copy / paste ... you do the math ... but as your initial statement claims"We are here because we are not succesfull in this game",i can see your frustration and you seems to be well placed in the "Dumb Money" category , the game wouldn't be possible without ... need a + and a - to produce energy , thank you for existing...And am also going to put you in your place because the avg can be contagious...Peace
PS. For your information ,people join forums to exchange information not because they loose or win...

STrading Oct 21, 2019 1:17pm | Post# 19

The thing that gets most under people skin here his saying they are not profitable, it really pisses them off.
One day i will open my mouth to a real trader and he is going to slap me in the face with a 1 or 2 year account statement and ill be fucked, till then is one or two lies, start ignoring me and move on to tell lies to other people i guess

detector Oct 21, 2019 1:42pm | Post# 20

We are here because we are not succesfull in this game. It will hurt some egos but its the truth. We are not here to lose whe are here because we cant win.
ST, an honest post, anyone who tries their hand at trading, researching, demo, strengthening their knowledge has to be respected, winning or not, the fact they take a step needs credibility, we know it's not easy but persistence can pay off, I think the response to you post has been unfair, RT, were all here trying so that cannot be forgotten, it's easy when you how (in general) so I think encouragement/help is more fitting on a site where people come for that very thing, not having a go but your post is a little insulting, I think your a great asset in trading, please don't let you ability/talent go to waste, you can make a difference, D


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